St John’s in danger of Closing ?

[quote="Proud Alumn" post=396116][quote="Beast of the East" post=396081][quote="Room112" post=396078][quote="Beast of the East" post=396045][quote="Mike Zaun" post=396032]As a '14 grad I started getting calls immediately after. I'm currently saving for a house and of course paying off SJ so I don't have much to spare, but donated last few times around. They sent me a thank you card with an individualized "at a glance" type thing about the program I graduated from, the year, the degree, etc. which was pretty cool honestly. They tried to call again recently. Once you give em a crumb, they become your best friend! In all seriousness though, I wonder the same as a poster above...why are we in such dire straits compared to your average private school? I thought we would be in better position than many. It's always hard to tell if things are exaggerated for effect or if it really is that bad. I get the sense we are too big a name to close for good...and I hope that's the case. That would be an absolute disaster.[/quote

I really like the idea of an alumni center in Manhattan that is upscale, large enough, and could be a gathering place for alums after work or for special events.[/quote]

Won’t happen. SJU doesn’t have nearly enough alumni willing to pay the dues necessary to have a club/facility like this. I believe SJU alumni, along with a slew of other schools, are eligible to join the Williams Club. And other private NY based clubs that are not school related, like the NY Athletic Club or the Union League Club, have a smattering of SJU Alumn as members.

The school’s endowment is the size it is not because of good fiscal budget management or high levels of donations. It’s because the school bought The College of Insurance at a good time and then sold the property for a nice profit.[/quote]

The Williams Club was established in 1913, and had its own building on West 39th Street until closing its doors in 2010. At that point the Club arranged to bring its considerable membership to the Princeton Club, and its special status here is recognized by being “in-residence.”
 
[quote="jerseyshorejohnny" post=396125][quote="Proud Alumn" post=396116][quote="Beast of the East" post=396081][quote="Room112" post=396078][quote="Beast of the East" post=396045][quote="Mike Zaun" post=396032]As a '14 grad I started getting calls immediately after. I'm currently saving for a house and of course paying off SJ so I don't have much to spare, but donated last few times around. They sent me a thank you card with an individualized "at a glance" type thing about the program I graduated from, the year, the degree, etc. which was pretty cool honestly. They tried to call again recently. Once you give em a crumb, they become your best friend! In all seriousness though, I wonder the same as a poster above...why are we in such dire straits compared to your average private school? I thought we would be in better position than many. It's always hard to tell if things are exaggerated for effect or if it really is that bad. I get the sense we are too big a name to close for good...and I hope that's the case. That would be an absolute disaster.[/quote

I really like the idea of an alumni center in Manhattan that is upscale, large enough, and could be a gathering place for alums after work or for special events.[/quote]

Won’t happen. SJU doesn’t have nearly enough alumni willing to pay the dues necessary to have a club/facility like this. I believe SJU alumni, along with a slew of other schools, are eligible to join the Williams Club. And other private NY based clubs that are not school related, like the NY Athletic Club or the Union League Club, have a smattering of SJU Alumn as members.

The school’s endowment is the size it is not because of good fiscal budget management or high levels of donations. It’s because the school bought The College of Insurance at a good time and then sold the property for a nice profit.[/quote]

The Williams Club was established in 1913, and had its own building on West 39th Street until closing its doors in 2010. At that point the Club arranged to bring its considerable membership to the Princeton Club, and its special status here is recognized by being “in-residence.”[/quote]

Hi JSJ,
I know you rarely offer opinions on here, only facts, which are always informative. Do oyu have an iopinion on whether or not we have enough alumni willing to pay some dues in order to establish a "Vincentian Club" or "St. John's Club" ? Do you see it as worthwhile?
 
[quote="Proud Alumn" post=396116][quote="Beast of the East" post=396081][quote="Room112" post=396078][quote="Beast of the East" post=396045][quote="Mike Zaun" post=396032]As a '14 grad I started getting calls immediately after. I'm currently saving for a house and of course paying off SJ so I don't have much to spare, but donated last few times around. They sent me a thank you card with an individualized "at a glance" type thing about the program I graduated from, the year, the degree, etc. which was pretty cool honestly. They tried to call again recently. Once you give em a crumb, they become your best friend! In all seriousness though, I wonder the same as a poster above...why are we in such dire straits compared to your average private school? I thought we would be in better position than many. It's always hard to tell if things are exaggerated for effect or if it really is that bad. I get the sense we are too big a name to close for good...and I hope that's the case. That would be an absolute disaster.[/quote

I really like the idea of an alumni center in Manhattan that is upscale, large enough, and could be a gathering place for alums after work or for special events.[/quote]

Won’t happen. SJU doesn’t have nearly enough alumni willing to pay the dues necessary to have a club/facility like this. I believe SJU alumni, along with a slew of other schools, are eligible to join the Williams Club. And other private NY based clubs that are not school related, like the NY Athletic Club or the Union League Club, have a smattering of SJU Alumn as members.

The school’s endowment is the size it is not because of good fiscal budget management or high levels of donations. It’s because the school bought The College of Insurance at a good time and then sold the property for a nice profit.[/quote]

While they may have had a windfall, Dr. Gempeshaw gets massive amounts of credit for guiding us through a financial crisis when freshman enrollment dropped by 500 when federal subsidies on student loans expired. He has brought in top notch administrative talent. What he lacks through no fault of his own is the charisma necessary to lead a large university, raise funds, engage with students and alumni, etc. He is a devout Catholic, a good man, and a warm person, and successfully allowed SJU to put the Harrington/Chang/Wile affairs in the rear view mirror.
 
While they may have had a windfall, Dr. Gempeshaw gets massive amounts of credit for guiding us through a financial crisis when freshman enrollment dropped by 500 when federal subsidies on student loans expired. He has brought in top notch administrative talent. What he lacks through no fault of his own is the charisma necessary to lead a large university, raise funds, engage with students and alumni, etc. He is a devout Catholic, a good man, and a warm person, and successfully allowed SJU to put the Harrington/Chang/Wile affairs in the rear view mirror.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=396126][quote="jerseyshorejohnny" post=396125][quote="Proud Alumn" post=396116][quote="Beast of the East" post=396081][quote="Room112" post=396078][quote="Beast of the East" post=396045][quote="Mike Zaun" post=396032]As a '14 grad I started getting calls immediately after. I'm currently saving for a house and of course paying off SJ so I don't have much to spare, but donated last few times around. They sent me a thank you card with an individualized "at a glance" type thing about the program I graduated from, the year, the degree, etc. which was pretty cool honestly. They tried to call again recently. Once you give em a crumb, they become your best friend! In all seriousness though, I wonder the same as a poster above...why are we in such dire straits compared to your average private school? I thought we would be in better position than many. It's always hard to tell if things are exaggerated for effect or if it really is that bad. I get the sense we are too big a name to close for good...and I hope that's the case. That would be an absolute disaster.[/quote

I really like the idea of an alumni center in Manhattan that is upscale, large enough, and could be a gathering place for alums after work or for special events.[/quote]

Won’t happen. SJU doesn’t have nearly enough alumni willing to pay the dues necessary to have a club/facility like this. I believe SJU alumni, along with a slew of other schools, are eligible to join the Williams Club. And other private NY based clubs that are not school related, like the NY Athletic Club or the Union League Club, have a smattering of SJU Alumn as members.

The school’s endowment is the size it is not because of good fiscal budget management or high levels of donations. It’s because the school bought The College of Insurance at a good time and then sold the property for a nice profit.[/quote]

The Williams Club was established in 1913, and had its own building on West 39th Street until closing its doors in 2010. At that point the Club arranged to bring its considerable membership to the Princeton Club, and its special status here is recognized by being “in-residence.”[/quote]

Hi JSJ,
I know you rarely offer opinions on here, only facts, which are always informative. Do oyu have an iopinion on whether or not we have enough alumni willing to pay some dues in order to establish a "Vincentian Club" or "St. John's Club" ? Do you see it as worthwhile?[/quote]

Think a NYC Club would have more appeal for law school and Tobin grads .

That said, still don't know if we would get the necessary number of members to make it viable

Obviously, we have the Red and White Club, which I realize isn't nearly the same as a NYC Club based in Manhattan

I think R&W is s close as we are going to get
 
I would definitely be interested in joining an exclusive SJU type lounge in Manhattan. I have family who went to Columbia and they have a beautiful one obviously. I believe PC even has one in Manhattan. Would help add some prestige, because only prestigious schools do it from what I've seen.

And regarding endowments not being rainy day funds, are we totally certain that god forbid we are ever on the brink of closing that they would not re-allocate funds in an emergency situation?
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=396133]I would definitely be interested in joining an exclusive SJU type lounge in Manhattan. I have family who went to Columbia and they have a beautiful one obviously. I believe PC even has one in Manhattan. Would help add some prestige, because only prestigious schools do it from what I've seen.

And regarding endowments not being rainy day funds, are we totally certain that god forbid we are ever on the brink of closing that they would not re-allocate funds in an emergency situation?[/quote]

Can't find anything about PC being affiliated with any club (Princeton, Yale, etc) in NYC

I remember back in the mid 1980's, St. John's had an affiliation with a private lunch club in the Met Life Building
 
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[quote="jerseyshorejohnny" post=396134][quote="Mike Zaun" post=396133]I would definitely be interested in joining an exclusive SJU type lounge in Manhattan. I have family who went to Columbia and they have a beautiful one obviously. I believe PC even has one in Manhattan. Would help add some prestige, because only prestigious schools do it from what I've seen.

And regarding endowments not being rainy day funds, are we totally certain that god forbid we are ever on the brink of closing that they would not re-allocate funds in an emergency situation?[/quote]

Can't find anything about PC being affiliated with any club in NYC[/quote]
I think most places in NYC are all about PC
 
I'm going to post the text of a thread I posted almost 2 years ago. This thread was about supporting St. John's athletics but you can take the same principle and apply it to the University as a whole as well.

My old post:
Quick, how many of you on this board know that you can become a monthly sustainer for St. John’s athletics? How many of know that if you become a sustainer you can decide when, how much, and where your contributions will go to? Many folks used to think that the only way you can support St. John’s athletics was by donating a lot of money to join the Red White Club or by purchasing season tickets. Many of you on here do both which is great but for those that don’t because you mistakenly believe that only certain high level donations are accepted to support St. John’s athletics, or for those that live too far away to attend games or get season tickets, you can make a difference, and you can choose how much and to where.

Anyone can simply contact the Office of Athletic Development at 718-990-2547 and tell them you’d like to make a monthly contribution. You can make a monthly contribution to a credit card of yours in ANY AMOUNT of your choosing. It can be just $5 a month, or $10, or even just $1. Think that doesn’t matter, think again. In recent conversations that I’ve had with folks at St. John’s Athletics the one thing that is abundantly clear is that no amount is too small or insignificant. Just think about this, you give $5 every month means you end up giving $60 after a year. Now just imagine if just five people from this board decide to give just $5 every month. Contrary to what some believe, you don’t need to give a minimum of dollar amount to contribute to St. John’s Athletics.

I know I know, there are some on here who will say I already give enough to the school, or I give enough with my season tickets, or when the team starts winning again then maybe I’ll consider it. I get all of that. I don’t work for the university, like many of you here I am just a proud alum who is also a big fan of our St. John’s athletics programs. If you want to give and are able to give you should think about doing this. Any contribution will go a long way in supporting New York’s Team.

A few additional FYIs:
You can designate where your contribution goes to (men’s basketball only or general athletics)
You can even split your contribution ($5 for men’s basketball and $5 for women’s soccer).
Your contribution is fully tax deductible.
You can change your monthly amount (increase or decrease) whenever you want.
If you want to cancel your contributions you can end it at anytime.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=396131]While they may have had a windfall, Dr. Gempeshaw gets massive amounts of credit for guiding us through a financial crisis when freshman enrollment dropped by 500 when federal subsidies on student loans expired. He has brought in top notch administrative talent. What he lacks through no fault of his own is the charisma necessary to lead a large university, raise funds, engage with students and alumni, etc. He is a devout Catholic, a good man, and a warm person, and successfully allowed SJU to put the Harrington/Chang/Wile affairs in the rear view mirror.[/quote]

I agree with all that. Gempesaw did a fine job. He didn’t transform things as would have been best, but he moved things in the right direction. I don’t think he had the mandate from the Board to really make big changes. To me, smaller class sizes would be a good thing if that meant a better academic profile and reputation. He only downsized the administration instead of programs that should be downsized.
 
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[quote="jerseyshorejohnny" post=396132][quote="Beast of the East" post=396126][quote="jerseyshorejohnny" post=396125][quote="Proud Alumn" post=396116][quote="Beast of the East" post=396081][quote="Room112" post=396078][quote="Beast of the East" post=396045][quote="Mike Zaun" post=396032]As a '14 grad I started getting calls immediately after. I'm currently saving for a house and of course paying off SJ so I don't have much to spare, but donated last few times around. They sent me a thank you card with an individualized "at a glance" type thing about the program I graduated from, the year, the degree, etc. which was pretty cool honestly. They tried to call again recently. Once you give em a crumb, they become your best friend! In all seriousness though, I wonder the same as a poster above...why are we in such dire straits compared to your average private school? I thought we would be in better position than many. It's always hard to tell if things are exaggerated for effect or if it really is that bad. I get the sense we are too big a name to close for good...and I hope that's the case. That would be an absolute disaster.[/quote

I really like the idea of an alumni center in Manhattan that is upscale, large enough, and could be a gathering place for alums after work or for special events.[/quote]

Won’t happen. SJU doesn’t have nearly enough alumni willing to pay the dues necessary to have a club/facility like this. I believe SJU alumni, along with a slew of other schools, are eligible to join the Williams Club. And other private NY based clubs that are not school related, like the NY Athletic Club or the Union League Club, have a smattering of SJU Alumn as members.

The school’s endowment is the size it is not because of good fiscal budget management or high levels of donations. It’s because the school bought The College of Insurance at a good time and then sold the property for a nice profit.[/quote]

The Williams Club was established in 1913, and had its own building on West 39th Street until closing its doors in 2010. At that point the Club arranged to bring its considerable membership to the Princeton Club, and its special status here is recognized by being “in-residence.”[/quote]

Hi JSJ,
I know you rarely offer opinions on here, only facts, which are always informative. Do oyu have an iopinion on whether or not we have enough alumni willing to pay some dues in order to establish a "Vincentian Club" or "St. John's Club" ? Do you see it as worthwhile?[/quote]

Think a NYC Club would have more appeal for law school and Tobin grads .

That said, still don't know if we would get the necessary number of members to make it viable

Obviously, we have the Red and White Club, which I realize isn't nearly the same as a NYC Club based in Manhattan

I think R&W is s close as we are going to get[/quote]

I have some ideas that may not cost a ton, and may help in fund raising.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=396061][quote="jerseyshorejohnny" post=396052]Re ND alumni giving: As you know, grads pony up (in addition to their strong emotional bond) in order to be eligible for football tickets and perhaps give their offspring a shot at being admitted (25% of the ND freshman class are legacies) assuming they have the grades and SAT's/ACT's to be seriously considered

I don't expect our alumni to be as generous as ND's but you would think we could get 10% of our alumni base (It is currently around 5%) to contribute a nominal amount ($25, $50, $100) annually

That said, I'm sure I am tilting at windmills.[/quote]

Just as an fyi, 30-40 years ago as many as 60% of villanova students were commuters. It was much more of a local catholic school then and still draws its strength from pa, nj, ny, and ct[/quote]. Good post , Beast regarding Villanova . Make no mistake too, winning 3 NCAA Titles over the last 35 years has had a enormous impact on the stature of Nova . It put , as you say, a Regional school on the Map and since then , Nova has become a top 50 school Academically and pretty much become the dominant BB school in the BE . Like ND their Alums give generously . I hope , JSJ , the Windmills will tilt and the nearly 170,000 Alums will step up in the 150 year Anniversary Campaign that will be forthcoming .
 
If anyone is interested in starting a conversation about an NYC Manhattan based SJU club feel free to reach out to me. I’d definitely be up for exploring that.
 
[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=396153][quote="Beast of the East" post=396061][quote="jerseyshorejohnny" post=396052]Re ND alumni giving: As you know, grads pony up (in addition to their strong emotional bond) in order to be eligible for football tickets and perhaps give their offspring a shot at being admitted (25% of the ND freshman class are legacies) assuming they have the grades and SAT's/ACT's to be seriously considered

I don't expect our alumni to be as generous as ND's but you would think we could get 10% of our alumni base (It is currently around 5%) to contribute a nominal amount ($25, $50, $100) annually

That said, I'm sure I am tilting at windmills.[/quote]

Just as an fyi, 30-40 years ago as many as 60% of villanova students were commuters. It was much more of a local catholic school then and still draws its strength from pa, nj, ny, and ct[/quote]. Good post , Beast regarding Villanova . Make no mistake too, winning 3 NCAA Titles over the last 35 years has had a enormous impact on the stature of Nova . It put , as you say, a Regional school on the Map and since then , Nova has become a top 50 school Academically and pretty much become the dominant BB school in the BE . Like ND their Alums give generously . I hope , JSJ , the Windmills will tilt and the nearly 170,000 Alums will step up in the 150 year Anniversary Campaign that will be forthcoming .[/quote]

Athletic success in our conference alone helped push Georgetown to super elite academic status, Villanova to elite status, and UCONN grew tremendously because of basketball. It brands a university in its entirety. Villanova alums have had tremendous career success from a smaller alumni population. Within 30 days of announcing their 2014 campaign I believe they had 52 donations of $1 million or more - incredible considering that was BEFORE they won 2 NCAA titles.

I do not believe SJU will close, so I think we can reasonably take that off the table, but I do think that we have to be managed carefully.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=396158]
I do not believe SJU will close, so I think we can reasonably take that off the table, but I do think that we have to be managed carefully.[/quote]

I'm certainly not going to say St. John's is too big to fail, but it's going to be the smaller schools that barely anyone has heard of that will be the ones collapsing first. I don't think any big-name schools have failed yet, and I think it would be a long while before things trickled up.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=396121][quote="Room112" post=396118][quote="jerseyshorejohnny" post=396102][quote="Room112" post=396078][quote="Beast of the East" post=396045][quote="Mike Zaun" post=396032]As a '14 grad I started getting calls immediately after. I'm currently saving for a house and of course paying off SJ so I don't have much to spare, but donated last few times around. They sent me a thank you card with an individualized "at a glance" type thing about the program I graduated from, the year, the degree, etc. which was pretty cool honestly. They tried to call again recently. Once you give em a crumb, they become your best friend! In all seriousness though, I wonder the same as a poster above...why are we in such dire straits compared to your average private school? I thought we would be in better position than many. It's always hard to tell if things are exaggerated for effect or if it really is that bad. I get the sense we are too big a name to close for good...and I hope that's the case. That would be an absolute disaster.[/quote]

Mike, In terms of endowment, we have the second/third best liquid position in the Big East (1. Georgetown, 2/3 Villanova & St. John's) at about $700 million. Bobby G. focused fiscal management deserves all the credit for that. However, in comparison to other more stable schools, or endowment on a per student basis ($69,000 from the article posted) we fall into the at risk category. Although we are ranked high in the Big East in endowment, that is a deceiving number since a school like Villanova without a campaign since 2014, raises $100 million of "we can basically do whatever we want" money.

The reason schools start asking for donations immediately upon graduation is that they wish to create a culture of giving among alumni. Many schools ask for a tiny amount, for example $20.20 for 2020 grads. They publish the % of giving among their class or withing a particular college within the university (e.g. business school, nursing school, etc.) and create a goal of 100% giving. What they hope to engender are increased donations as graduates begin to have career success, and they endeavor to keep their graduates close to them with alumni gatherings and networking. In many schools, the 1, 5, and even 10 year reunions on campus are very well attended. In terms of getting increased requests for donations, I think it's just a well known fact that those who give once are more likely to give again than someone who has never given. Virtually every charitable organization devotes more focus to repeat donors.

Schools like Harvard, have a center for allumni in Manhattan, that frankly once inside, looks like you entered a medieval castle. Villanova opened a center in Manhattan for alumni about 5 years ago. These places often have meeting space, lounges, a bar, maybe even a restaurant, and also cater events that alumni have preferential treatment. These investments are almost certain to increase alumni giving, and probably help the school in all ways.

Almost certainly the goal is to create a relationship with alumni that makes alums feel closely tied to the school, proud of its success, and eager to help the school become bigger and better.

I'm told by those in administration that when St. John's runs events for alumni that are free, they are very well attended. If they charge even a nominal amount, they are not well attended at all. As a school and alumni base, we have a lot of work to do.

After many years of virtual inactivity save for season tix, I've met a lot of great people here on redmen.com and also through R-W. I always give first preference to qualified St. John's grads when hiring, because our strength is in our unity.

In terms of inactivating email addresses, I wonder if schools consider the liability of perhaps having alums appear to be students or administrators long after they have left the school. Most schools appear to have trended towards inactivating email addresses within 1 year of graduation or sooner. It could be a liability to the school to keep them active. It may also be getting pressure from companies that offer steep student discounts, Microsoft is an example whereby MS Office is sharply discounted for students, but I'm not sure.[/quote]

UConn has a NYC alumni chapter, but nothing to the extent you mentioned of what Villanova or Harvard have done. I've actually attended a couple of the events and left unimpressed, certainly nothing to entice me to want to donate.[/quot

Out of curiosity, what were the events you attended ??[/quote]

One event was to welcome new alumni to the city. It was at some bar designated as the official UConn bar of the city I forget. Another event was one of the former UConn women's players who is now in the WNBA speaking about at Organization she is involved with. Both events had about 25 people, who Id say we're in 20s-30s, and both were at pretty standard bars. Nothing crazy.[/quote]

The smartest schools spend a lot of money hiring real talent in development (fund raising) positions. When my kids went to Villanova, the oldest one was only a few weeks into freshman year when they reached out to me as a parent, knew what I did, and had an idea that I could help. They also were very gracious in their approach. I ended up donating there for 7 years, and will again in the future. Boston College on the other hand, with a much larger endowment ($5 billion) made no effort whatsoever to reach me directly while my other kid was there.

It really takes some coordinated campaigns that are well funded to raise money at the college level. The events you attended at UCONN appear to have been unsuccessful, and perhaps either ill conceived or disorganized. Building a strong allegiance from alumni takes years, and there is no good reason why we can't attract more alumni as active supporters of SJU[/quote]

I'll be 100% honest in that my wife and I who are both alums never donated to UConn and really don't plan to. We got our education there but neither of us feel a strong connection to the school. Aside from that, their approach to seeking out donations has always felt like spam calls. I appreciate they do various alumni events like I mentioned in various cities where they have alumni, but as pointed out, never felt they were a success.
 
[quote="Room112" post=396162][quote="Beast of the East" post=396121][quote="Room112" post=396118][quote="jerseyshorejohnny" post=396102][quote="Room112" post=396078][quote="Beast of the East" post=396045][quote="Mike Zaun" post=396032]As a '14 grad I started getting calls immediately after. I'm currently saving for a house and of course paying off SJ so I don't have much to spare, but donated last few times around. They sent me a thank you card with an individualized "at a glance" type thing about the program I graduated from, the year, the degree, etc. which was pretty cool honestly. They tried to call again recently. Once you give em a crumb, they become your best friend! In all seriousness though, I wonder the same as a poster above...why are we in such dire straits compared to your average private school? I thought we would be in better position than many. It's always hard to tell if things are exaggerated for effect or if it really is that bad. I get the sense we are too big a name to close for good...and I hope that's the case. That would be an absolute disaster.[/quote]

Mike, In terms of endowment, we have the second/third best liquid position in the Big East (1. Georgetown, 2/3 Villanova & St. John's) at about $700 million. Bobby G. focused fiscal management deserves all the credit for that. However, in comparison to other more stable schools, or endowment on a per student basis ($69,000 from the article posted) we fall into the at risk category. Although we are ranked high in the Big East in endowment, that is a deceiving number since a school like Villanova without a campaign since 2014, raises $100 million of "we can basically do whatever we want" money.

The reason schools start asking for donations immediately upon graduation is that they wish to create a culture of giving among alumni. Many schools ask for a tiny amount, for example $20.20 for 2020 grads. They publish the % of giving among their class or withing a particular college within the university (e.g. business school, nursing school, etc.) and create a goal of 100% giving. What they hope to engender are increased donations as graduates begin to have career success, and they endeavor to keep their graduates close to them with alumni gatherings and networking. In many schools, the 1, 5, and even 10 year reunions on campus are very well attended. In terms of getting increased requests for donations, I think it's just a well known fact that those who give once are more likely to give again than someone who has never given. Virtually every charitable organization devotes more focus to repeat donors.

Schools like Harvard, have a center for allumni in Manhattan, that frankly once inside, looks like you entered a medieval castle. Villanova opened a center in Manhattan for alumni about 5 years ago. These places often have meeting space, lounges, a bar, maybe even a restaurant, and also cater events that alumni have preferential treatment. These investments are almost certain to increase alumni giving, and probably help the school in all ways.

Almost certainly the goal is to create a relationship with alumni that makes alums feel closely tied to the school, proud of its success, and eager to help the school become bigger and better.

I'm told by those in administration that when St. John's runs events for alumni that are free, they are very well attended. If they charge even a nominal amount, they are not well attended at all. As a school and alumni base, we have a lot of work to do.

After many years of virtual inactivity save for season tix, I've met a lot of great people here on redmen.com and also through R-W. I always give first preference to qualified St. John's grads when hiring, because our strength is in our unity.

In terms of inactivating email addresses, I wonder if schools consider the liability of perhaps having alums appear to be students or administrators long after they have left the school. Most schools appear to have trended towards inactivating email addresses within 1 year of graduation or sooner. It could be a liability to the school to keep them active. It may also be getting pressure from companies that offer steep student discounts, Microsoft is an example whereby MS Office is sharply discounted for students, but I'm not sure.[/quote]

UConn has a NYC alumni chapter, but nothing to the extent you mentioned of what Villanova or Harvard have done. I've actually attended a couple of the events and left unimpressed, certainly nothing to entice me to want to donate.[/quot

Out of curiosity, what were the events you attended ??[/quote]

One event was to welcome new alumni to the city. It was at some bar designated as the official UConn bar of the city I forget. Another event was one of the former UConn women's players who is now in the WNBA speaking about at Organization she is involved with. Both events had about 25 people, who Id say we're in 20s-30s, and both were at pretty standard bars. Nothing crazy.[/quote]

The smartest schools spend a lot of money hiring real talent in development (fund raising) positions. When my kids went to Villanova, the oldest one was only a few weeks into freshman year when they reached out to me as a parent, knew what I did, and had an idea that I could help. They also were very gracious in their approach. I ended up donating there for 7 years, and will again in the future. Boston College on the other hand, with a much larger endowment ($5 billion) made no effort whatsoever to reach me directly while my other kid was there.

It really takes some coordinated campaigns that are well funded to raise money at the college level. The events you attended at UCONN appear to have been unsuccessful, and perhaps either ill conceived or disorganized. Building a strong allegiance from alumni takes years, and there is no good reason why we can't attract more alumni as active supporters of SJU[/quote]

I'll be 100% honest in that my wife and I who are both alums never donated to UConn and really don't plan to. We got our education there but neither of us feel a strong connection to the school. Aside from that, their approach to seeking out donations has always felt like spam calls. I appreciate they do various alumni events like I mentioned in various cities where they have alumni, but as pointed out, never felt they were a success.[/quote]

I don't care if you never donate to UCONN. I do care if you start rooting for them. No room in section 114 for uconn fans
 
[quote="Room112" post=396162][quote="Beast of the East" post=396121][quote="Room112" post=396118][quote="jerseyshorejohnny" post=396102][quote="Room112" post=396078][quote="Beast of the East" post=396045][quote="Mike Zaun" post=396032]As a '14 grad I started getting calls immediately after. I'm currently saving for a house and of course paying off SJ so I don't have much to spare, but donated last few times around. They sent me a thank you card with an individualized "at a glance" type thing about the program I graduated from, the year, the degree, etc. which was pretty cool honestly. They tried to call again recently. Once you give em a crumb, they become your best friend! In all seriousness though, I wonder the same as a poster above...why are we in such dire straits compared to your average private school? I thought we would be in better position than many. It's always hard to tell if things are exaggerated for effect or if it really is that bad. I get the sense we are too big a name to close for good...and I hope that's the case. That would be an absolute disaster.[/quote]

Mike, In terms of endowment, we have the second/third best liquid position in the Big East (1. Georgetown, 2/3 Villanova & St. John's) at about $700 million. Bobby G. focused fiscal management deserves all the credit for that. However, in comparison to other more stable schools, or endowment on a per student basis ($69,000 from the article posted) we fall into the at risk category. Although we are ranked high in the Big East in endowment, that is a deceiving number since a school like Villanova without a campaign since 2014, raises $100 million of "we can basically do whatever we want" money.

The reason schools start asking for donations immediately upon graduation is that they wish to create a culture of giving among alumni. Many schools ask for a tiny amount, for example $20.20 for 2020 grads. They publish the % of giving among their class or withing a particular college within the university (e.g. business school, nursing school, etc.) and create a goal of 100% giving. What they hope to engender are increased donations as graduates begin to have career success, and they endeavor to keep their graduates close to them with alumni gatherings and networking. In many schools, the 1, 5, and even 10 year reunions on campus are very well attended. In terms of getting increased requests for donations, I think it's just a well known fact that those who give once are more likely to give again than someone who has never given. Virtually every charitable organization devotes more focus to repeat donors.

Schools like Harvard, have a center for allumni in Manhattan, that frankly once inside, looks like you entered a medieval castle. Villanova opened a center in Manhattan for alumni about 5 years ago. These places often have meeting space, lounges, a bar, maybe even a restaurant, and also cater events that alumni have preferential treatment. These investments are almost certain to increase alumni giving, and probably help the school in all ways.

Almost certainly the goal is to create a relationship with alumni that makes alums feel closely tied to the school, proud of its success, and eager to help the school become bigger and better.

I'm told by those in administration that when St. John's runs events for alumni that are free, they are very well attended. If they charge even a nominal amount, they are not well attended at all. As a school and alumni base, we have a lot of work to do.

After many years of virtual inactivity save for season tix, I've met a lot of great people here on redmen.com and also through R-W. I always give first preference to qualified St. John's grads when hiring, because our strength is in our unity.

In terms of inactivating email addresses, I wonder if schools consider the liability of perhaps having alums appear to be students or administrators long after they have left the school. Most schools appear to have trended towards inactivating email addresses within 1 year of graduation or sooner. It could be a liability to the school to keep them active. It may also be getting pressure from companies that offer steep student discounts, Microsoft is an example whereby MS Office is sharply discounted for students, but I'm not sure.[/quote]

UConn has a NYC alumni chapter, but nothing to the extent you mentioned of what Villanova or Harvard have done. I've actually attended a couple of the events and left unimpressed, certainly nothing to entice me to want to donate.[/quot

Out of curiosity, what were the events you attended ??[/quote]

One event was to welcome new alumni to the city. It was at some bar designated as the official UConn bar of the city I forget. Another event was one of the former UConn women's players who is now in the WNBA speaking about at Organization she is involved with. Both events had about 25 people, who Id say we're in 20s-30s, and both were at pretty standard bars. Nothing crazy.[/quote]

The smartest schools spend a lot of money hiring real talent in development (fund raising) positions. When my kids went to Villanova, the oldest one was only a few weeks into freshman year when they reached out to me as a parent, knew what I did, and had an idea that I could help. They also were very gracious in their approach. I ended up donating there for 7 years, and will again in the future. Boston College on the other hand, with a much larger endowment ($5 billion) made no effort whatsoever to reach me directly while my other kid was there.

It really takes some coordinated campaigns that are well funded to raise money at the college level. The events you attended at UCONN appear to have been unsuccessful, and perhaps either ill conceived or disorganized. Building a strong allegiance from alumni takes years, and there is no good reason why we can't attract more alumni as active supporters of SJU[/quote]

I'll be 100% honest in that my wife and I who are both alums never donated to UConn and really don't plan to. We got our education there but neither of us feel a strong connection to the school. Aside from that, their approach to seeking out donations has always felt like spam calls. I appreciate they do various alumni events like I mentioned in various cities where they have alumni, but as pointed out, never felt they were a success.[/quote]

Glad you saw the light and are rooting for St. John's. Kidding, but it's good to have you on board for what never has been a smooth ride, but it is an uplifting and exciting experience when the 'good guys' win big.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=396165][quote="Room112" post=396162][quote="Beast of the East" post=396121][quote="Room112" post=396118][quote="jerseyshorejohnny" post=396102][quote="Room112" post=396078][quote="Beast of the East" post=396045][quote="Mike Zaun" post=396032]As a '14 grad I started getting calls immediately after. I'm currently saving for a house and of course paying off SJ so I don't have much to spare, but donated last few times around. They sent me a thank you card with an individualized "at a glance" type thing about the program I graduated from, the year, the degree, etc. which was pretty cool honestly. They tried to call again recently. Once you give em a crumb, they become your best friend! In all seriousness though, I wonder the same as a poster above...why are we in such dire straits compared to your average private school? I thought we would be in better position than many. It's always hard to tell if things are exaggerated for effect or if it really is that bad. I get the sense we are too big a name to close for good...and I hope that's the case. That would be an absolute disaster.[/quote]

Mike, In terms of endowment, we have the second/third best liquid position in the Big East (1. Georgetown, 2/3 Villanova & St. John's) at about $700 million. Bobby G. focused fiscal management deserves all the credit for that. However, in comparison to other more stable schools, or endowment on a per student basis ($69,000 from the article posted) we fall into the at risk category. Although we are ranked high in the Big East in endowment, that is a deceiving number since a school like Villanova without a campaign since 2014, raises $100 million of "we can basically do whatever we want" money.

The reason schools start asking for donations immediately upon graduation is that they wish to create a culture of giving among alumni. Many schools ask for a tiny amount, for example $20.20 for 2020 grads. They publish the % of giving among their class or withing a particular college within the university (e.g. business school, nursing school, etc.) and create a goal of 100% giving. What they hope to engender are increased donations as graduates begin to have career success, and they endeavor to keep their graduates close to them with alumni gatherings and networking. In many schools, the 1, 5, and even 10 year reunions on campus are very well attended. In terms of getting increased requests for donations, I think it's just a well known fact that those who give once are more likely to give again than someone who has never given. Virtually every charitable organization devotes more focus to repeat donors.

Schools like Harvard, have a center for allumni in Manhattan, that frankly once inside, looks like you entered a medieval castle. Villanova opened a center in Manhattan for alumni about 5 years ago. These places often have meeting space, lounges, a bar, maybe even a restaurant, and also cater events that alumni have preferential treatment. These investments are almost certain to increase alumni giving, and probably help the school in all ways.

Almost certainly the goal is to create a relationship with alumni that makes alums feel closely tied to the school, proud of its success, and eager to help the school become bigger and better.

I'm told by those in administration that when St. John's runs events for alumni that are free, they are very well attended. If they charge even a nominal amount, they are not well attended at all. As a school and alumni base, we have a lot of work to do.

After many years of virtual inactivity save for season tix, I've met a lot of great people here on redmen.com and also through R-W. I always give first preference to qualified St. John's grads when hiring, because our strength is in our unity.

In terms of inactivating email addresses, I wonder if schools consider the liability of perhaps having alums appear to be students or administrators long after they have left the school. Most schools appear to have trended towards inactivating email addresses within 1 year of graduation or sooner. It could be a liability to the school to keep them active. It may also be getting pressure from companies that offer steep student discounts, Microsoft is an example whereby MS Office is sharply discounted for students, but I'm not sure.[/quote]

UConn has a NYC alumni chapter, but nothing to the extent you mentioned of what Villanova or Harvard have done. I've actually attended a couple of the events and left unimpressed, certainly nothing to entice me to want to donate.[/quot

Out of curiosity, what were the events you attended ??[/quote]

One event was to welcome new alumni to the city. It was at some bar designated as the official UConn bar of the city I forget. Another event was one of the former UConn women's players who is now in the WNBA speaking about at Organization she is involved with. Both events had about 25 people, who Id say we're in 20s-30s, and both were at pretty standard bars. Nothing crazy.[/quote]

The smartest schools spend a lot of money hiring real talent in development (fund raising) positions. When my kids went to Villanova, the oldest one was only a few weeks into freshman year when they reached out to me as a parent, knew what I did, and had an idea that I could help. They also were very gracious in their approach. I ended up donating there for 7 years, and will again in the future. Boston College on the other hand, with a much larger endowment ($5 billion) made no effort whatsoever to reach me directly while my other kid was there.

It really takes some coordinated campaigns that are well funded to raise money at the college level. The events you attended at UCONN appear to have been unsuccessful, and perhaps either ill conceived or disorganized. Building a strong allegiance from alumni takes years, and there is no good reason why we can't attract more alumni as active supporters of SJU[/quote]

I'll be 100% honest in that my wife and I who are both alums never donated to UConn and really don't plan to. We got our education there but neither of us feel a strong connection to the school. Aside from that, their approach to seeking out donations has always felt like spam calls. I appreciate they do various alumni events like I mentioned in various cities where they have alumni, but as pointed out, never felt they were a success.[/quote]

I don't care if you never donate to UCONN. I do care if you start rooting for them. No room in section 114 for uconn fans[/quote]

Don't worry that's something I've never done and never will :)
 
My two cents:

Commuter school/many if not most of my 1970's classmates worked full or part time while we attended school, that led to not much school spirit. A lot of my classmates (not me) could care less about BB, and frankly the school, except for the piece of paper.

My brother in law founded the TV Club (circa 1970), graduated and had an enormously successful career as a video post-production editor with 13 emmies to his credit many for Sesame Street, but he never gave a nickel. He worked, went to some classes (not interested as a student even though very bright), met his wife and despite my urging neither gave back money. I went to an event with the sister in law when her husband was post humorously inducted into the SJU TV Club Hall of Fame (very impressive list of people in TV from SJU), still no donations. I don't get it.

On a NYC Club, SJU tried that in the 1980's (I believe), all "All College" Club, in the Lincoln Building on 42 Street across from Grand Central Terminal. Went once, it didn't last long is all I remember.
 
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