St. Francis, Sun. Dec. 6, 11am, FS1 & 970AM

[Ray Morgan]

Maybe it's because I'm a New Yorker (until I couldn't take the cold any longer), I find Coach Mullin a breath of fresh air in press conferences. He is a straight shooter and a clear communicator. No flowery B.S. like we have heard in the past. Nice to have a coach that tells it like it is. It's too early to say whether Mullin will be a great coach or not, but I doubt much escapes him when watching a game. He was a great thinker and hard worker as a player, and seems to be the same as a coach. I got the same impression from the Showtime piece. I'm feeling awfully good about the future.

 

[fun]

Saint Francis thoughts;http://www.bigeastboards.com/

Agree with pretty much everything except one aspect in regards to Norm. Only person that really harped on his coaching record at queens college starting from the point he got hired was Marillac and turns out Marillac was right.

He hasn't reached the middle aged group like some of us although he will get there soon enough

Overall Norm has made a nice career for himself and I'm happy for him but he was absolutely the worst coach ever in our school history and probably big east history.

His coaching tree certainly is interesting. Imagine how bad he really was as a head coach with all his assistants landing these other jobs some as head coaches all the while they were sitting on Norm's bench while Norm was a debacle sitting next to them

(1) Stinky bait catch big fish.

(2) I didn't say anything about Norm Roberts as head coach at Saint John's. To the extent that you did you're wrong: Norm had a better winning percentage than at least one SJ coach, Kevin Clark.

(3) At .445 while at SJ Norm has a higher winning percentage than Oliver Purnell, Jerry Wainright, George Blaney, Hoddy Mahon, Bob Wenzel, Fred Hill, and Eddie Jordan did at their schools during their BE tenures. He was a bare tick (.010) behind Bill Rafferty, who I'm led to believe is a beloved figure, and Mike Rice, who is not.

(4) Marillac is not the racist. Or even a racist.

 

[MJDinkins]

He is not a perfect player, not even close, but if his name was anything else and he was a JUCO brought in by mullin for the next two years everyone would be happy to have him. Instead we pick his game apart.

Take a wild guess why several posters do so.

 

[salty dog]

Saint Francis thoughts;http://www.bigeastboards.com/

Agree with pretty much everything except one aspect in regards to Norm. Only person that really harped on his coaching record at queens college starting from the point he got hired was Marillac and turns out Marillac was right.

He hasn't reached the middle aged group like some of us although he will get there soon enough

Overall Norm has made a nice career for himself and I'm happy for him but he was absolutely the worst coach ever in our school history and probably big east history.

His coaching tree certainly is interesting. Imagine how bad he really was as a head coach with all his assistants landing these other jobs some as head coaches all the while they were sitting on Norm's bench while Norm was a debacle sitting next to them

(1) Stinky bait catch big fish.

(2) I didn't say anything about Norm Roberts as head coach at Saint John's. To the extent that you did you're wrong: Norm had a better winning percentage than at least one SJ coach, Kevin Clark.

(3) At .445 while at SJ Norm has a higher winning percentage than Oliver Purnell, Jerry Wainright, George Blaney, Hoddy Mahon, Bob Wenzel, Fred Hill, and Eddie Jordan did at their schools during their BE tenures. He was a bare tick (.010) behind Bill Rafferty, who I'm led to believe is a beloved figure, and Mike Rice, who is not.

(4) Marillac is not the racist. Or even a racist.

Must have had to spend a lot of time looking into the record books to defend Norm
Impeccable research.

 

[mjmaherjr]

Saint Francis thoughts;http://www.bigeastboards.com/

Agree with pretty much everything except one aspect in regards to Norm. Only person that really harped on his coaching record at queens college starting from the point he got hired was Marillac and turns out Marillac was right.

He hasn't reached the middle aged group like some of us although he will get there soon enough

Overall Norm has made a nice career for himself and I'm happy for him but he was absolutely the worst coach ever in our school history and probably big east history.

His coaching tree certainly is interesting. Imagine how bad he really was as a head coach with all his assistants landing these other jobs some as head coaches all the while they were sitting on Norm's bench while Norm was a debacle sitting next to them

(1) Stinky bait catch big fish.

(2) I didn't say anything about Norm Roberts as head coach at Saint John's. To the extent that you did you're wrong: Norm had a better winning percentage than at least one SJ coach, Kevin Clark.

(3) At .445 while at SJ Norm has a higher winning percentage than Oliver Purnell, Jerry Wainright, George Blaney, Hoddy Mahon, Bob Wenzel, Fred Hill, and Eddie Jordan did at their schools during their BE tenures. He was a bare tick (.010) behind Bill Rafferty, who I'm led to believe is a beloved figure, and Mike Rice, who is not.

(4) Marillac is not the racist. Or even a racist.

Kevin Clark wasn't hired to be a head coach. He was assigned the title interim head coach so I'm not wrong in that respect

http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/121903aaa.html

As far as the big east in general I said probably which isn't definitive but not 100% accurate. I'll rephrase he. He was one of the worst basketball coaches in big east history

And if memory serves me correct I think I remember someone writing he had the worst record in big east history with at least 5 years on the job but that was at the time he got fired but I definitely remember people writing that here although Wainright slightly worse with 5 years

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/conferences/big-east/coaches.html

 

[fun]

Impeccable research.

If more of you looked up more facts less infrequently you'd be less wrong most of the time.

 

[fun]

Kevin Clark wasn't hired to be a head coach. He was assigned the title interim head coach so I'm not wrong in that respect

You're wrong to the extent that "he was assigned the title" of interim head is neither a quote provided by your citation and is anyway irrelevant. You said he was the "worst coach ever in our school history," which he was not. He was the second worst.

As far as the big east in general I said probably which isn't definitive but not 100% accurate. I'll rephrase he. He was one of the worst basketball coaches in big east history

And if memory serves me correct I think I remember someone writing he had the worst record in big east history with at least 5 years on the job but that was at the time he got fired but I definitely remember people writing that here

You are going to great lengths to disprove something I never disputed. Norm was awful. What I said was that his awfulness at SJ is not the measure of his career. To the extent that you disagree with that, I disagree with you. To the extent that other people said something different, I don't find it compelling.

 

[mjmaherjr]

Kevin Clark wasn't hired to be a head coach. He was assigned the title interim head coach so I'm not wrong in that respect

You're wrong to the extent that "he was assigned the title" of interim head is neither a quote provided by your citation and is anyway irrelevant. You said he was the "worst coach ever in our school history," which he was not. He was the second worst.

As far as the big east in general I said probably which isn't definitive but not 100% accurate. I'll rephrase he. He was one of the worst basketball coaches in big east history

And if memory serves me correct I think I remember someone writing he had the worst record in big east history with at least 5 years on the job but that was at the time he got fired but I definitely remember people writing that here

You are going to great lengths to disprove something I never disputed. Norm was awful. What I said was that his awfulness at SJ is not the measure of his career. To the extent that you disagree with that, I disagree with you. To the extent that other people said something different, I don't find it compelling.

Let's finish it this way. By your standards you are saying Norm is the 2nd worst coach in basketball history because you are including Kevin Clark who was interim head coach and had worse record.

So then using your own criteria you are wrong too. Norm would be the 3rd worst coach in St Johns history.

Rev J Chestnut went 4-8 in 1907-1908 so using your criteria we are both wrong

 

[ras]

Its crazy how little respect Jones gets. Just 13 & 9 in a game where we needed every pt and every rebound we got. No mentions of the great passes he has had to Mussini on cuts to the basket (two today and several previously) or the help he gives breaking the press. And trust me we NEED him to break the press. He is not a perfect player, not even close, but if his name was anything else and he was a JUCO brought in by mullin for the next two years everyone would be happy to have him. Instead we pick his game apart.

Jones doesn't have the best instincts for sure but I like him. I think he is definitely serviceable.

Sometimes it almost feels like to me he doesn't realize how big he really is and what he could do with his body

He's playing a lot better than I thought he would. You have to wonder why he hardly played last year when we lacked depth. He is definitely serviceable ,like you said.

 

[monte]

Its crazy how little respect Jones gets. Just 13 & 9 in a game where we needed every pt and every rebound we got. No mentions of the great passes he has had to Mussini on cuts to the basket (two today and several previously) or the help he gives breaking the press. And trust me we NEED him to break the press. He is not a perfect player, not even close, but if his name was anything else and he was a JUCO brought in by mullin for the next two years everyone would be happy to have him. Instead we pick his game apart.

Jones doesn't have the best instincts for sure but I like him. I think he is definitely serviceable.

Sometimes it almost feels like to me he doesn't realize how big he really is and what he could do with his body

He's playing a lot better than I thought he would. You have to wonder why he hardly played last year when we lacked depth. He is definitely serviceable ,like you said.

He should have and could have been a useful part of last year's team. Like you said, in light of how short our roster was you you have to wonder why Lavin didn't find a way to utilize him more. Just one of many things that made you wonder. No offense to AA, but CJ was and is the superior player. Chris quickly realized that which is why CJ is playing 30 MPG and AA 14 MPG.

 

[Knight]

Would like to see better use of time outs. Sometimes serves as a good momentum killer.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Its crazy how little respect Jones gets. Just 13 & 9 in a game where we needed every pt and every rebound we got. No mentions of the great passes he has had to Mussini on cuts to the basket (two today and several previously) or the help he gives breaking the press. And trust me we NEED him to break the press. He is not a perfect player, not even close, but if his name was anything else and he was a JUCO brought in by mullin for the next two years everyone would be happy to have him. Instead we pick his game apart.

Jones doesn't have the best instincts for sure but I like him. I think he is definitely serviceable.

Sometimes it almost feels like to me he doesn't realize how big he really is and what he could do with his body

Its weird, I almost feel like when he jumps he leads with his head and not his hands. His hands are always late to the party it seems. It's too bad, considering his leaping ability, that he doesn't have better timing and feel for it. He's getting better though and I think he's starting to realize he can finish with a dunk more times than he thought he could. That's a good sign.

We have been so used to seeing herky jerky out of control bigs at sju who were more athlete than player. I think Jones is more player than athlete, he is actually a calming influence of the team. He doesn't get rushed with the ball and even better he moves it quickly. Hope he gets a masters degree from SJU.

 

[L J S A]

And if Santa wants to come back to 114 for the syracuse game he better bring some hot helpers wearing low cut tops showing cleavage

 

[simplyred]

Its crazy how little respect Jones gets. Just 13 & 9 in a game where we needed every pt and every rebound we got. No mentions of the great passes he has had to Mussini on cuts to the basket (two today and several previously) or the help he gives breaking the press. And trust me we NEED him to break the press. He is not a perfect player, not even close, but if his name was anything else and he was a JUCO brought in by mullin for the next two years everyone would be happy to have him. Instead we pick his game apart.

I agree 100%. Jones has given us more than anyone could have hoped for, based on past performance, and all we do is knock him after every game. I think he deferred way too much to the other guys he came in with and he played very timidly. This year, he seems to be embracing his role as an elder statesman and is providing leadership on the floor. So far, I'm pleased and I hope it continues in Big East play.

 

[beast of the east]

Its crazy how little respect Jones gets. Just 13 & 9 in a game where we needed every pt and every rebound we got. No mentions of the great passes he has had to Mussini on cuts to the basket (two today and several previously) or the help he gives breaking the press. And trust me we NEED him to break the press. He is not a perfect player, not even close, but if his name was anything else and he was a JUCO brought in by mullin for the next two years everyone would be happy to have him. Instead we pick his game apart.

Jones doesn't have the best instincts for sure but I like him. I think he is definitely serviceable.

Sometimes it almost feels like to me he doesn't realize how big he really is and what he could do with his body

He's playing a lot better than I thought he would. You have to wonder why he hardly played last year when we lacked depth. He is definitely serviceable ,like you said.

He should have and could have been a useful part of last year's team. Like you said, in light of how short our roster was you you have to wonder why Lavin didn't find a way to utilize him more. Just one of many things that made you wonder. No offense to AA, but CJ was and is the superior player. Chris quickly realized that which is why CJ is playing 30 MPG and AA 14 MPG.

Honestly, Jones got what he deserved last season in terms of playing time. Yes, he has a player's body, but other than a nice play once in a blue moon, he contributed very little. Good for him that he is getting a chance and making the most of it. His numbers are nice so far, but let's keep in mind that this is the part of our schedule where we play an entire roster of guys who would not be recruited anywhere in the Big East. If he puts these numbers up in the Big East part of the schedule, that would be really impressive. I just am not counting on it.

 

[salty dog]

Its crazy how little respect Jones gets. Just 13 & 9 in a game where we needed every pt and every rebound we got. No mentions of the great passes he has had to Mussini on cuts to the basket (two today and several previously) or the help he gives breaking the press. And trust me we NEED him to break the press. He is not a perfect player, not even close, but if his name was anything else and he was a JUCO brought in by mullin for the next two years everyone would be happy to have him. Instead we pick his game apart.

Jones doesn't have the best instincts for sure but I like him. I think he is definitely serviceable.

Sometimes it almost feels like to me he doesn't realize how big he really is and what he could do with his body

He's playing a lot better than I thought he would. You have to wonder why he hardly played last year when we lacked depth. He is definitely serviceable ,like you said.

He should have and could have been a useful part of last year's team. Like you said, in light of how short our roster was you you have to wonder why Lavin didn't find a way to utilize him more. Just one of many things that made you wonder. No offense to AA, but CJ was and is the superior player. Chris quickly realized that which is why CJ is playing 30 MPG and AA 14 MPG.

Honestly, Jones got what he deserved last season in terms of playing time. Yes, he has a player's body, but other than a nice play once in a blue moon, he contributed very little. Good for him that he is getting a chance and making the most of it. His numbers are nice so far, but let's keep in mind that this is the part of our schedule where we play an entire roster of guys who would not be recruited anywhere in the Big East. If he puts these numbers up in the Big East part of the schedule, that would be really impressive. I just am not counting on it.

yes, players get better by their senior year. Cannot equate play against St. Francis and Wagner compared to last year against Villanova and Ochefu where Jones was obliterated. I like what I see and hopefully he continues because we sure can use it.

 

[tom in salem]

=youtu.be

 

[RM86]

[URL][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v[/URL][/URL]=8TR1ZHDTo8c&feature=youtu.be

Where is Desco? Mullin wearing sneakers and a golf shirt showing off some pasty white legs when he a
was sitting down. Horrible look. I think he is coming along on the sidelines though.

 

[MainMan]

Federico is doing a very good Jason Buchanan impersonation, and that's alright with me.

 

[bobo]

Its crazy how little respect Jones gets. Just 13 & 9 in a game where we needed every pt and every rebound we got. No mentions of the great passes he has had to Mussini on cuts to the basket (two today and several previously) or the help he gives breaking the press. And trust me we NEED him to break the press. He is not a perfect player, not even close, but if his name was anything else and he was a JUCO brought in by mullin for the next two years everyone would be happy to have him. Instead we pick his game apart.

Jones doesn't have the best instincts for sure but I like him. I think he is definitely serviceable.

Sometimes it almost feels like to me he doesn't realize how big he really is and what he could do with his body

He's playing a lot better than I thought he would. You have to wonder why he hardly played last year when we lacked depth. He is definitely serviceable ,like you said.

He should have and could have been a useful part of last year's team. Like you said, in light of how short our roster was you you have to wonder why Lavin didn't find a way to utilize him more. Just one of many things that made you wonder. No offense to AA, but CJ was and is the superior player. Chris quickly realized that which is why CJ is playing 30 MPG and AA 14 MPG.

Honestly, Jones got what he deserved last season in terms of playing time. Yes, he has a player's body, but other than a nice play once in a blue moon, he contributed very little. Good for him that he is getting a chance and making the most of it. His numbers are nice so far, but let's keep in mind that this is the part of our schedule where we play an entire roster of guys who would not be recruited anywhere in the Big East. If he puts these numbers up in the Big East part of the schedule, that would be really impressive. I just am not counting on it.

I think Jones has an issue with concentration while on the court and probably doesn't have the highest BB IQ on the team. I see him make plays that cause me to say awesome and wow, only to say WTF two seconds later. It's also quite obvious to me that our current coaches have been schooling him, something that wasn't done properly in prior seasons. Kudos to our current staff. Hope he continues to learn and improve while entering conference play.