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And I'm sorry for the Mullin lovers and I joked about it last night but just like Desco had a problem with Lavin dressing I have a huge problem with Mullin sitting on the scorers table. It just looks terrible and I don't see any other coaches doing it. At no point should he be sitting on the table and it looks even worse when we get our brains beat in and there are 5 minutes left. If 2 million dollars a year isn't enough to get you to stand and coach then sit in your chair and coach

How is it any different than a kid being on the court and just going through the motions ?
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I want this program to succeed as much as anyone but WTF. I thought he was pissed w the refs and pouting but was it about the kids? He better get use to it cause not even DePaul is a given after they tagged a decent GW team.
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He did at all the way back to the red white scrimmage
 
Good to see the abuse Ellison took on the board tonight, great kid who has battled injuries for three years. Hard, hard worker who I am sure is proud that all his efforts to get back was at least able to provide some laughs and the opportunity for some great wits to break out their best one liners. Merry Christmas to all
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From the time you get past the everyone gets a participant trophy stage of your athletic career to the final years of beer league softball and into your golfing years you will get heckled and joked on when you do poorly. Ellison I think hit the rim once on about 10 shots. As long as it is not personal it is par for the course. What are we supposed to say he played great? He was terrible and it was commented on appropriately.
 
Ellison will be fine, he looked decent pre-injury. He's rusty and is almost always the most inexperienced guy in the court. Didn't he have an injury in high school too? Only way to learn is to be on the floor.
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Ellison is stiff arming all his shots. He needs to go back to learn to shoot 101. He was also seen after the game in Johnny rockets laughing with some coeds. To me it was a phil linz moment if you are old enough to remember. Yogi berra where are you? Help!!
Plus they don't charge the basket after they shoot which leaves maybe one player in any position to rebound. We need to rebound better
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Unless Ellison was violating curfew, the only thing we should feel about him laughing with co-eds in Johnny Rockets is jealousy. He is an 18 year old kid enjoying college. Doesn't he have a reputation already as a gym rat? That should be good enough for us. And I remember the harmonica on the bus.
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Apparently nothing is good enough for an SJU fan; people can rationalize their criticism all they want but we had a HOF player take on a serious challenge to bring us back to prominence, hire a world class staff that works their butts off to recruit and develop and all they get from the "fans" is criticism about shoes and scorer's tables. Personally, I don't care what Mullin wears or where he sits. And all because a team thrown together in a matter of months from slim pickings isn't playing well. Many of the "fans" will even, free of charge, let the staff and players know what they are doing wrong, including telling the coaches who should play. Of course none of these "fans" are at a practice or meeting but they know best!! The "wah wah crybaby" culture strikes again. ANYONE who knows basketball knew we were going to monumentally struggle this year but now that it's here, whining and cheap shots rule the day!!
 
Fun's recap highlight.......so-and-so has the sincerity of "an Albanian kidney broker".

Has FUN ever dealt with one of those guys in order to make that comparison, just wondering? Haha
 
Ellison will be fine, he looked decent pre-injury. He's rusty and is almost always the most inexperienced guy in the court. Didn't he have an injury in high school too? Only way to learn is to be on the floor.
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Ellison is stiff arming all his shots. He needs to go back to learn to shoot 101. He was also seen after the game in Johnny rockets laughing with some coeds. To me it was a phil linz moment if you are old enough to remember. Yogi berra where are you? Help!!
Plus they don't charge the basket after they shoot which leaves maybe one player in any position to rebound. We need to rebound better
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Unless Ellison was violating curfew, the only thing we should feel about him laughing with co-eds in Johnny Rockets is jealousy. He is an 18 year old kid enjoying college. Doesn't he have a reputation already as a gym rat? That should be good enough for us. And I remember the harmonica on the bus.
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Apparently nothing is good enough for an SJU fan; people can rationalize their criticism all they want but we had a HOF player take on a serious challenge to bring us back to prominence, hire a world class staff that works their butts off to recruit and develop and all they get from the "fans" is criticism about shoes and scorer's tables. Personally, I don't care what Mullin wears or where he sits. And all because a team thrown together in a matter of months from slim pickings isn't playing well. Many of the "fans" will even, free of charge, let the staff and players know what they are doing wrong, including telling the coaches who should play. Of course none of these "fans" are at a practice or meeting but they know best!! The "wah wah crybaby" culture strikes again. ANYONE who knows basketball knew we were going to monumentally struggle this year but now that it's here, whining and cheap shots rule the day!!
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I say this respectfully to you because you are one of my favorite posters back to the littlemin days but sitting on a scorers table on tv is a very big deal and gives the impression of not caring.

That's the equivalent of me having a client in my office and leaning back in my chair with my arms crossed or having my feet up on the desk while conducting the meeting. Hell no. No matter who the client is or what meeting you are in you sit forward and listen no matter how mundane the things the other person is talking about and you pay attention.

When I see him sitting on the scorers table it's ridiculous and while I have no doubt he cares about what's happening on the court he isn't giving off that impression especially when we are losing and if I notice I guarantee others notice.

Body language is noticeable to people
 
I have to remind myself that we have a very inexperienced team, including our staff. I guess this year has to be looked at as a learning experience. Only the fans are experienced and we never make mistakes. :sick:
 
Ellison will be fine, he looked decent pre-injury. He's rusty and is almost always the most inexperienced guy in the court. Didn't he have an injury in high school too? Only way to learn is to be on the floor.
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I didn't say anything about sneakers and I think they look good and are a good idea. Sitting on the table is wrong and he shouldn't do it. It just isn't right and I don't care who it is, coach k, Bobby knight, lou, etc. You don't do that and if you think it is right, then you can't really think. As for the Johnny rockets thing, I don't care except I think they should take losing a bit more seriously and it just to me portrays an I don't really care that we lost and have been getting blown out every game.
Ellison is stiff arming all his shots. He needs to go back to learn to shoot 101. He was also seen after the game in Johnny rockets laughing with some coeds. To me it was a phil linz moment if you are old enough to remember. Yogi berra where are you? Help!!
Plus they don't charge the basket after they shoot which leaves maybe one player in any position to rebound. We need to rebound better
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Unless Ellison was violating curfew, the only thing we should feel about him laughing with co-eds in Johnny Rockets is jealousy. He is an 18 year old kid enjoying college. Doesn't he have a reputation already as a gym rat? That should be good enough for us. And I remember the harmonica on the bus.
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Apparently nothing is good enough for an SJU fan; people can rationalize their criticism all they want but we had a HOF player take on a serious challenge to bring us back to prominence, hire a world class staff that works their butts off to recruit and develop and all they get from the "fans" is criticism about shoes and scorer's tables. Personally, I don't care what Mullin wears or where he sits. And all because a team thrown together in a matter of months from slim pickings isn't playing well. Many of the "fans" will even, free of charge, let the staff and players know what they are doing wrong, including telling the coaches who should play. Of course none of these "fans" are at a practice or meeting but they know best!! The "wah wah crybaby" culture strikes again. ANYONE who knows basketball knew we were going to monumentally struggle this year but now that it's here, whining and cheap shots rule the day!!
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Ellison will be fine, he looked decent pre-injury. He's rusty and is almost always the most inexperienced guy in the court. Didn't he have an injury in high school too? Only way to learn is to be on the floor.
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I didn't say anything about sneakers and I think they look good and are a good idea. Sitting on the table is wrong and he shouldn't do it. It just isn't right and I don't care who it is, coach k, Bobby knight, lou, etc. You don't do that and if you think it is right, then you can't really think. As for the Johnny rockets thing, I don't care except I think they should take losing a bit more seriously and it just to me portrays an I don't really care that we lost and have been getting blown out every game.
Ellison is stiff arming all his shots. He needs to go back to learn to shoot 101. He was also seen after the game in Johnny rockets laughing with some coeds. To me it was a phil linz moment if you are old enough to remember. Yogi berra where are you? Help!!
Plus they don't charge the basket after they shoot which leaves maybe one player in any position to rebound. We need to rebound better
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Unless Ellison was violating curfew, the only thing we should feel about him laughing with co-eds in Johnny Rockets is jealousy. He is an 18 year old kid enjoying college. Doesn't he have a reputation already as a gym rat? That should be good enough for us. And I remember the harmonica on the bus.
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Apparently nothing is good enough for an SJU fan; people can rationalize their criticism all they want but we had a HOF player take on a serious challenge to bring us back to prominence, hire a world class staff that works their butts off to recruit and develop and all they get from the "fans" is criticism about shoes and scorer's tables. Personally, I don't care what Mullin wears or where he sits. And all because a team thrown together in a matter of months from slim pickings isn't playing well. Many of the "fans" will even, free of charge, let the staff and players know what they are doing wrong, including telling the coaches who should play. Of course none of these "fans" are at a practice or meeting but they know best!! The "wah wah crybaby" culture strikes again. ANYONE who knows basketball knew we were going to monumentally struggle this year but now that it's here, whining and cheap shots rule the day!!
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Some shots from the game
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NYCRedmen, you were the best redmen on the court last night. You made your shots and more importantly positioned yourself well under the hoop and dressed like a camera man.
 
Ellison will be fine, he looked decent pre-injury. He's rusty and is almost always the most inexperienced guy in the court. Didn't he have an injury in high school too? Only way to learn is to be on the floor.
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Ellison is stiff arming all his shots. He needs to go back to learn to shoot 101. He was also seen after the game in Johnny rockets laughing with some coeds. To me it was a phil linz moment if you are old enough to remember. Yogi berra where are you? Help!!
Plus they don't charge the basket after they shoot which leaves maybe one player in any position to rebound. We need to rebound better
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Unless Ellison was violating curfew, the only thing we should feel about him laughing with co-eds in Johnny Rockets is jealousy. He is an 18 year old kid enjoying college. Doesn't he have a reputation already as a gym rat? That should be good enough for us. And I remember the harmonica on the bus.
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Apparently nothing is good enough for an SJU fan; people can rationalize their criticism all they want but we had a HOF player take on a serious challenge to bring us back to prominence, hire a world class staff that works their butts off to recruit and develop and all they get from the "fans" is criticism about shoes and scorer's tables. Personally, I don't care what Mullin wears or where he sits. And all because a team thrown together in a matter of months from slim pickings isn't playing well. Many of the "fans" will even, free of charge, let the staff and players know what they are doing wrong, including telling the coaches who should play. Of course none of these "fans" are at a practice or meeting but they know best!! The "wah wah crybaby" culture strikes again. ANYONE who knows basketball knew we were going to monumentally struggle this year but now that it's here, whining and cheap shots rule the day!!
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I say this respectfully to you because you are one of my favorite posters back to the littlemin days but sitting on a scorers table on tv is a very big deal and gives the impression of not caring.

That's the equivalent of me having a client in my office and leaning back in my chair with my arms crossed or having my feet up on the desk while conducting the meeting. Hell no. No matter who the client is or what meeting you are in you sit forward and listen no matter how mundane the things the other person is talking about and you pay attention.

When I see him sitting on the scorers table it's ridiculous and while I have no doubt he cares about what's happening on the court he isn't giving off that impression especially when we are losing and if I notice I guarantee others notice.

Body language is noticeable to people
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MJ we agree on most things but same as with Lavin's wardrobe who cares where he sits? Not a business setting it is a basketball game. Unless he tried to sit on your face who cares where he sits? Best coach in Football looks like the unabomber. Best coach in Football and the NBA give the most unprofessional press conferences and manager of the National League Champions created his own language.

Nobody does the John Wooden, Tom Landry, Connie Mack thing anymore. Still a sport. Just win baby and you can coach naked for all I care.
 
Sitting on the scorer's table not only gives off the impression that you don't care, it is disrespectful to the people sitting at that table. Especially the guy that was right behind him. I would have taken a cup of water and spilled it on the table if I had been that guy.
 
A couple of thoughts on Ellison's troubles on the court....

- It's funny how we tend to use the board to praise these kids when they sign with us and then use the board to vent on them if they don't play well. It's human nature and the board exposes us. Perhaps with future signings we should post "welcome aboard, we love your game, but be warned as we will bash you if you are not as good as advertised".

- is Lovett our most popular player because he is yet to play in a game? I have a feeling that a few of the same posters tracking his eligibility as closlely as the staff will be the same posters bashing him on the board if he gets the chance to work those "freshmen jitters" out of his system.
 
Sitting on the scorer's table not only gives off the impression that you don't care, it is disrespectful to the people sitting at that table. Especially the guy that was right behind him. I would have taken a cup of water and spilled it on the table if I had been that guy.
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Do you think Mullin doesn't care?

And unless that guy was a family member, screw him. Got to look at a Hall of Fame but for 10 minutes, he can tell his kids
 
Sitting on the scorer's table not only gives off the impression that you don't care, it is disrespectful to the people sitting at that table. Especially the guy that was right behind him. I would have taken a cup of water and spilled it on the table if I had been that guy.
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I can appreciate CM's frustration, but as you & several other folks have noted, sitting on the table seemed unnecessary. Not blowing it out of proportion nor nit picking, as big Mullin guy, but just don't see upside.
 
A couple of thoughts on Ellison's troubles on the court....

- It's funny how we tend to use the board to praise these kids when they sign with us and then use the board to vent on them if they don't play well. It's human nature and the board exposes us. Perhaps with future signings we should post "welcome aboard, we love your game, but be warned as we will bash you if you are not as good as advertised".

- is Lovett our most popular player because he is yet to play in a game? I have a feeling that a few of the same posters tracking his eligibility as closlely as the staff will be the same posters bashing him on the board if he gets the chance to work those "freshmen jitters" out of his system.
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So it is ok to criticize a man's wardrobe and where he chooses to rest his ass but we can't mention a player missing shots spectacularly? Harrison criticism was something else IMO. Ellison for all I know was consciously trying to mimic Phillip Seymour Hoffman's basketball scene from Along Came Polly. That is really all I could compare it to really.
 
Sitting on the scorer's table not only gives off the impression that you don't care, it is disrespectful to the people sitting at that table. Especially the guy that was right behind him. I would have taken a cup of water and spilled it on the table if I had been that guy.
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Really? If Mullin was blocking someone's view I honestly believe if a fan right behind him politely said, "Hey coach, I can't see over you!", Mullin would have moved. When we sat behind Looie a million years ago, we'd banter with him all the time... He'd listen and often respond, "You don't know what you're talking about", or some other playful response.
 
Sitting on the scorer's table not only gives off the impression that you don't care, it is disrespectful to the people sitting at that table. Especially the guy that was right behind him. I would have taken a cup of water and spilled it on the table if I had been that guy.
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I can appreciate CM's frustration, but as you & several other folks have noted, sitting on the table seemed unnecessary. Not blowing it out of proportion nor nit picking, as big Mullin guy, but just don't see upside.
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You too? Really?
 
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