So Far

[fun]

So much for having some conversation.

I'd say that perhaps I'm getting curmudgeonly in my dotage, except I reached middle age at 19. Now I'm just terminally cranky.

You seem to have information at your fingertips all the time hence my asking.

Secondly me and Lawman got into a nice discussion about how much I like Nuri's game at halftime of our last game. I was asking because I didn't think LMF was referring about when Nuri fouled out but a stretch of the game where he did sit and the offense got moving a bit.

So no I don't think the team does better with Nuri out.

I have information at my fingertips because I google it. Bookmark these and it will be at your fingertips as well.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/2599/st-john-red-storm

http://statsheet.com/mcb/teams/st-johns

http://www.lostlettermen.com/st_johns-basketball-big_east/aa/

http://www.basketball-reference.com/

Lindsey is our best offensive player since Hardy, who was our best since Hill, who was our best since Hatten. I don't care if he never hits a 3 pointer. Hatten couldn't shoot either. Neither could Malik Sealy, or Willie Glass or Walter Berry. A jump shot would be nice, but its not a necessary.

I find it passing strange that people are down on Lindsey for having no shortcomings in his game. Infallibility is a strange measure, because if one of the other ones could shoot vaguely well Lindsey's shortcomings would not be so magnified. I suspect Harrison of being a competent 3 pt shooter. We'll see.

I think what happens is that posters form opinions and then look for evidence afterwards that their opinion is correct. So the poster who announced that Lindsey was a "disappointment" in the preseason plus ones every post that is critical of his game, and the poster who announced that Phil Greene is the best player on the team notices that Lindsey is not all that he's cracked up to be. We all recall the Sean Evans imbroglio of years past, where his good play was great and his bad play because he wasn't given enough time to play well. Whereas neither was true. Just as probably none of this is true either.

 

[ccnobz]

 Nuri is averaging 15.8 ppg and 3.8 apg. I'd say that is a heck f a start for our rookie pg, and he has been sharing the ball pretty well out of the gate with almost 4 assists per game.

 


I agree, the idea that the team is better with him on the bench is absurd.

 

What will happen if he improves his ft shooting? People will have nothing to complain about. As far as his outside shooting goes, he is shooting 0% from 3 but has only taken a few shots and quite a few if not most were the shot clock expiring type. He certainly needs to work a ton on all aspects of shooting, but he's a sure finisher when attacking the rim and really causes mismatches even against good teams with his ability to slash.

 

He gets to the goal at will, and finishes when he gets there-- I love this kid's game.

 

[Class of 72]

 Nuri is averaging 15.8 ppg and 3.8 apg. I'd say that is a heck f a start for our rookie pg, and he has been sharing the ball pretty well out of the gate with almost 4 assists per game.

 


I agree, the idea that the team is better with him on the bench is absurd.

 

I am too lazy to go back and read it but WHO exactly said the team is better with Nurideen on the bench?
Whomever it was, their redmen credentials should be revoked!
It is bad enough we have the least experienced team in the Big East and no bench ----- now we are eliminating players because they missed free throws while the others that committed the turnovers that led to points are commended?
This is a brand new team without three players that could have been starters. To have been in both games at MSG and almost win against top 20 teams was a little miracle in and of itself!
But not to fear, Jerry Cummings is on the way and will provide valuable fouls off the bench and we can dream of being a bubble team come NIT selection time.

 

[usguard]

 Nuri is averaging 15.8 ppg and 3.8 apg. I'd say that is a heck f a start for our rookie pg, and he has been sharing the ball pretty well out of the gate with almost 4 assists per game.

 


I agree, the idea that the team is better with him on the bench is absurd.

 

I am too lazy to go back and read it but WHO exactly said the team is better with Nurideen on the bench?
Whomever it was, their redmen credentials should be revoked!
It is bad enough we have the least experienced team in the Big East and no bench ----- now we are eliminating players because they missed free throws while the others that committed the turnovers that led to points are commended?
This is a brand new team without three players that could have been starters. To have been in both games at MSG and almost win against top 20 teams was a little miracle in and of itself!
But not to fear, Jerry Cummings is on the way and will provide valuable fouls off the bench and we can dream of being a bubble team come NIT selection time.

 

Can he shoot

 

[Moose]

 Nuri is averaging 15.8 ppg and 3.8 apg. I'd say that is a heck f a start for our rookie pg, and he has been sharing the ball pretty well out of the gate with almost 4 assists per game.

 


I agree, the idea that the team is better with him on the bench is absurd.

 

I am too lazy to go back and read it but WHO exactly said the team is better with Nurideen on the bench?
Whomever it was, their redmen credentials should be revoked!
It is bad enough we have the least experienced team in the Big East and no bench ----- now we are eliminating players because they missed free throws while the others that committed the turnovers that led to points are commended?
This is a brand new team without three players that could have been starters. To have been in both games at MSG and almost win against top 20 teams was a little miracle in and of itself!
But not to fear, Jerry Cummings is on the way and will provide valuable fouls off the bench and we can dream of being a bubble team come NIT selection time.

 

You need to start using emoticons. Particulary this one

 

[MJDinkins]

This is just as correctable as the defensive screwups that are putting us in a hole every game.

 

Actually, straightening out a poor shooter isn't as easily correctable as changing up defenses to avoid shooters from being wide open. I still believe Lindsey will end up being a servicable FT shooter before this season is done. I don't think he'll be a good shooter from the field before the season ends.

I believe he'll incremently improve as a shooter, but he may not ever become a good shooter. If he's an average shooter before it's said and done then I'll be fine with it.

 

[fun]

I am too lazy to go back and read it but WHO exactly said the team is better with Nurideen on the bench?
Whomever it was, their redmen credentials should be revoked!

 

To correct the record. LMF said the team "played well" with Lindsey on the bench. I disputed that. He offered no proof of his contention other than his memory, which it would be pointless to dispute, since he probably also remembers being popular in high school and who wants to get into that. I later morphed "played well" into better off without. Obviously it's not the same thing.

 

[ccnobz]

I am too lazy to go back and read it but WHO exactly said the team is better with Nurideen on the bench?
Whomever it was, their redmen credentials should be revoked!

 

To correct the record. LMF said the team "played well" with Lindsey on the bench. I disputed that. He offered no proof of his contention other than his memory, which it would be pointless to dispute, since he probably also remembers being popular in high school and who wants to get into that. I later morphed "played well" into better off without. Obviously it's not the same thing.

 

I actually laughed out loud at my desk when I read he also remembers being popular in high school. Your posts: mean spirited -possibly, funny --definitely.

 

[bobre45]

So much for having some conversation.

I'd say that perhaps I'm getting curmudgeonly in my dotage, except I reached middle age at 19. Now I'm just terminally cranky.

You seem to have information at your fingertips all the time hence my asking.

Secondly me and Lawman got into a nice discussion about how much I like Nuri's game at halftime of our last game. I was asking because I didn't think LMF was referring about when Nuri fouled out but a stretch of the game where he did sit and the offense got moving a bit.

So no I don't think the team does better with Nuri out.

I have information at my fingertips because I google it. Bookmark these and it will be at your fingertips as well.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/2599/st-john-red-storm

http://statsheet.com/mcb/teams/st-johns

http://www.lostlettermen.com/st_johns-basketball-big_east/aa/

http://www.basketball-reference.com/

Lindsey is our best offensive player since Hardy, who was our best since Hill, who was our best since Hatten. I don't care if he never hits a 3 pointer. Hatten couldn't shoot either. Neither could Malik Sealy, or Willie Glass or Walter Berry. A jump shot would be nice, but its not a necessary.

I find it passing strange that people are down on Lindsey for having no shortcomings in his game. Infallibility is a strange measure, because if one of the other ones could shoot vaguely well Lindsey's shortcomings would not be so magnified. I suspect Harrison of being a competent 3 pt shooter. We'll see.

I think what happens is that posters form opinions and then look for evidence afterwards that their opinion is correct. So the poster who announced that Lindsey was a "disappointment" in the preseason plus ones every post that is critical of his game, and the poster who announced that Phil Greene is the best player on the team notices that Lindsey is not all that he's cracked up to be. We all recall the Sean Evans imbroglio of years past, where his good play was great and his bad play because he wasn't given enough time to play well. Whereas neither was true. Just as probably none of this is true either.

 

Evans averaged 10+ and 7+ as a soph. Not bad for a kid who wasn't expected tp play and in most programs a really strong building block for the future. By the time he was a senior playing for our newly hired uber-coach he was sitting entire games (losses yet) and waiting for a chance which came against, of all teams, Duke. Then it was the game ball BS and Lavin calling the comeback one of the most satisfying stories of his career. I doubt Sean would agree but he's cashing checks for playing hoops so who laughed last? Look it all up Mr. Googleman and tell me where I'm wrong.

 

[lawmanfan]

Evans averaged 10+ and 7+ as a soph. Not bad for a kid who wasn't expected tp play and in most programs a really strong building block for the future. By the time he was a senior playing for our newly hired uber-coach he was sitting entire games (losses yet) and waiting for a chance which came against, of all teams, Duke. Then it was the game ball BS and Lavin calling the comeback one of the most satisfying stories of his career. I doubt Sean would agree but he's cashing checks for playing hoops so who laughed last? Look it all up Mr. Googleman and tell me where I'm wrong.

 

Fun:
Now see what you've started?
Bobre misses Norm and Sean and now it's all going to come pouring out.
I hope you're happy.

 

[bobre45]

Evans averaged 10+ and 7+ as a soph. Not bad for a kid who wasn't expected tp play and in most programs a really strong building block for the future. By the time he was a senior playing for our newly hired uber-coach he was sitting entire games (losses yet) and waiting for a chance which came against, of all teams, Duke. Then it was the game ball BS and Lavin calling the comeback one of the most satisfying stories of his career. I doubt Sean would agree but he's cashing checks for playing hoops so who laughed last? Look it all up Mr. Googleman and tell me where I'm wrong.

 

Fun:
Now see what you've started?
Bobre misses Norm and Sean and now it's all going to come pouring out.
I hope you're happy.

 

I doubt Fun's happy ever. Sure would like to have a guy like Evans this year though. Norm who?

 

[ccnobz]

Evans averaged 10+ and 7+ as a soph. Not bad for a kid who wasn't expected tp play and in most programs a really strong building block for the future. By the time he was a senior playing for our newly hired uber-coach he was sitting entire games (losses yet) and waiting for a chance which came against, of all teams, Duke. Then it was the game ball BS and Lavin calling the comeback one of the most satisfying stories of his career. I doubt Sean would agree but he's cashing checks for playing hoops so who laughed last? Look it all up Mr. Googleman and tell me where I'm wrong.

 

Fun:
Now see what you've started?
Bobre misses Norm and Sean and now it's all going to come pouring out.
I hope you're happy.

 

I doubt Fun's happy ever. Sure would like to have a guy like Evans this year though. Norm who?

 


That is something we can all agree on, we could use Evans this year.

 

[simplyred]

Evans averaged 10+ and 7+ as a soph. Not bad for a kid who wasn't expected tp play and in most programs a really strong building block for the future. By the time he was a senior playing for our newly hired uber-coach he was sitting entire games (losses yet) and waiting for a chance which came against, of all teams, Duke. Then it was the game ball BS and Lavin calling the comeback one of the most satisfying stories of his career. I doubt Sean would agree but he's cashing checks for playing hoops so who laughed last? Look it all up Mr. Googleman and tell me where I'm wrong.

 

Fun:
Now see what you've started?
Bobre misses Norm and Sean and now it's all going to come pouring out.
I hope you're happy.

 

I really liked that group of players. They went through a lot of difficult times and they always handled themselves with class. However, I suspect that this coaching staff had a different plan and different schemes than the previous staff. They probably asked the players to play different roles. Some were more receptive than ot hers. That is probably why Sean's minutes were reduced so drastically. My favorite player on that team was DJ. He went from being the number one option to 3rd or 4th. That's what happens when there is a coaching change. No matter what, you can't argue we the overall results.  

(hey, I just noticed that I have positive karma. Sweet! I just want to thank God; and all my fans; and ...) B)

 

[fun]

Fun:
Now see what you've started?
Bobre misses Norm and Sean and now it's all going to come pouring out.
I hope you're happy.

 

 

[simplyred]

 And fun has more negative karma than the real John Wayne Gacy.

 

[we are sju]

So much for having some conversation.

I'd say that perhaps I'm getting curmudgeonly in my dotage, except I reached middle age at 19. Now I'm just terminally cranky.

You seem to have information at your fingertips all the time hence my asking.

Secondly me and Lawman got into a nice discussion about how much I like Nuri's game at halftime of our last game. I was asking because I didn't think LMF was referring about when Nuri fouled out but a stretch of the game where he did sit and the offense got moving a bit.

So no I don't think the team does better with Nuri out.

I have information at my fingertips because I google it. Bookmark these and it will be at your fingertips as well.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/2599/st-john-red-storm

http://statsheet.com/mcb/teams/st-johns

http://www.lostlettermen.com/st_johns-basketball-big_east/aa/

http://www.basketball-reference.com/

Lindsey is our best offensive player since Hardy, who was our best since Hill, who was our best since Hatten. I don't care if he never hits a 3 pointer. Hatten couldn't shoot either. Neither could Malik Sealy, or Willie Glass or Walter Berry. A jump shot would be nice, but its not a necessary.

I find it passing strange that people are down on Lindsey for having no shortcomings in his game. Infallibility is a strange measure, because if one of the other ones could shoot vaguely well Lindsey's shortcomings would not be so magnified. I suspect Harrison of being a competent 3 pt shooter. We'll see.

I think what happens is that posters form opinions and then look for evidence afterwards that their opinion is correct. So the poster who announced that Lindsey was a "disappointment" in the preseason plus ones every post that is critical of his game, and the poster who announced that Phil Greene is the best player on the team notices that Lindsey is not all that he's cracked up to be. We all recall the Sean Evans imbroglio of years past, where his good play was great and his bad play because he wasn't given enough time to play well. Whereas neither was true. Just as probably none of this is true either.

 


I agree with most of what you posted. Nuri is our best and most exciting player.After 5 games his play has been dissected on these boards so much that he might break Burrell's topic record. I do take issue with your saying Hatten and Sealy couldn't shoot. Hatten wasn't a classic shooter but Nuri makes him look like Rick Mount. Sealy had a pretty 15 foot jumper. He just did not extend to three point range. Glass gets a pass from not shooting well becuase he was the best dunker in school history and no one should ever be compared to Berry who I seem to remember could walk on water and he was a power forward anyway.
I really like Nuri but I am not sure at this point he can develop a serviceable jumper. I think if he can get to around 70% from the line, get better at dishing off in traffic and maybe develop a little tear drop shot he could be great. Flawed now but fun to watch. 

 

[upstate redman]

Sorry if anyone responded, but what is the Jerry Cummings deal?

Thanks 

 

[fun]

I agree with most of what you posted. Nuri is our best and most exciting player.After 5 games his play has been dissected on these boards so much that he might break Burrell's topic record. I do take issue with your saying Hatten and Sealy couldn't shoot. Hatten wasn't a classic shooter but Nuri makes him look like Rick Mount. Sealy had a pretty 15 foot jumper. He just did not extend to three point range. Glass gets a pass from not shooting well becuase he was the best dunker in school history and no one should ever be compared to Berry who I seem to remember could walk on water and he was a power forward anyway. I really like Nuri but I am not sure at this point he can develop a serviceable jumper. I think if he can get to around 70% from the line, get better at dishing off in traffic and maybe develop a little tear drop shot he could be great. Flawed now but fun to watch. 

 

It's nice to see you slumming.

Obviously I wasn't comparing Berry and Lindsey, except to point out the obvious: that not every player has the same skill set and not all skill sets are necessary for success. He's by far the best player on the team and will be until Harkless surpasses him. No one would be talking about his jump shot but that he missed those two free throws. Is he a good shooter? Seemingly not. Would it be nice of he shot like Mullin, yes, but it'd be nice if they all did.

Regarding Hatten, he was a worse 3 point shooter by percentage as your 2 favorite players, Geno and Mason Jr. Is that what you meant by classic?

 

[fun]

 And fun has more negative karma than the real John Wayne Gacy.

 

And fewer bodies in the crawlspace. For now anyway.

 

[jrhoops1949]

So much for having some conversation.

I'd say that perhaps I'm getting curmudgeonly in my dotage, except I reached middle age at 19. Now I'm just terminally cranky.

You seem to have information at your fingertips all the time hence my asking.

Secondly me and Lawman got into a nice discussion about how much I like Nuri's game at halftime of our last game. I was asking because I didn't think LMF was referring about when Nuri fouled out but a stretch of the game where he did sit and the offense got moving a bit.

So no I don't think the team does better with Nuri out.

I have information at my fingertips because I google it. Bookmark these and it will be at your fingertips as well.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/_/id/2599/st-john-red-storm

http://statsheet.com/mcb/teams/st-johns

http://www.lostlettermen.com/st_johns-basketball-big_east/aa/

http://www.basketball-reference.com/

Lindsey is our best offensive player since Hardy, who was our best since Hill, who was our best since Hatten. I don't care if he never hits a 3 pointer. Hatten couldn't shoot either. Neither could Malik Sealy, or Willie Glass or Walter Berry. A jump shot would be nice, but its not a necessary.

I find it passing strange that people are down on Lindsey for having no shortcomings in his game. Infallibility is a strange measure, because if one of the other ones could shoot vaguely well Lindsey's shortcomings would not be so magnified. I suspect Harrison of being a competent 3 pt shooter. We'll see.

I think what happens is that posters form opinions and then look for evidence afterwards that their opinion is correct. So the poster who announced that Lindsey was a "disappointment" in the preseason plus ones every post that is critical of his game, and the poster who announced that Phil Greene is the best player on the team notices that Lindsey is not all that he's cracked up to be. We all recall the Sean Evans imbroglio of years past, where his good play was great and his bad play because he wasn't given enough time to play well. Whereas neither was true. Just as probably none of this is true either.

 

Evans averaged 10+ and 7+ as a soph. Not bad for a kid who wasn't expected tp play and in most programs a really strong building block for the future. By the time he was a senior playing for our newly hired uber-coach he was sitting entire games (losses yet) and waiting for a chance which came against, of all teams, Duke. Then it was the game ball BS and Lavin calling the comeback one of the most satisfying stories of his career. I doubt Sean would agree but he's cashing checks for playing hoops so who laughed last? Look it all up Mr. Googleman and tell me where I'm wrong.

 So coach Steve and his staff did right by Sean, right? Anyone figure at some point the O going to go through Mo. I hope I'm not just guessing, but he looks NBA bound to me.