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 So far I have attended two games against "cupcakes" and two games against ranked opponents. Here are some thoughts and observations, interested in what others think.

Overall: The team has talent. They struggled in some of the early games and lost the two games at the Garden basically as a result of being a group of mostly freshmen that are still coming together. I think they are likely to gel and gain some maturity/experience as the season goes on and pull off a few unexpected wins. The real key to me seems to be their ability to keep up the defensive pressure. They tend to struggle in the halfcourt both offensively and defensively, but when they pick up the defensive intensity they create turnovers and get opportunities on the break, which is where they do best. The problem in the halfcourt is that they don't have enough size, and the problem with keeping up the defensive intensity is that they don't have enough guys. The staff is doing a great job of rotating people in and out, but they desperately need more horses. An offensively limited 6'10'' guy and a 6'7" wing would be perfect additions. They are of course struggling to defend the 3 just as the team did last year in the 2-3 zone. I think they will get better as the season goes on, but adding some length would help a lot.

Guards: Stith is providing valuable minutes and maturity. He is probably the least talented of the group, but he is tough, makes good decisions, can get to the basket and shoot enough to keep the defense honest, and is a good contributor. Harrison is a very solid all-around player. Seems to be a good shooter and has confidence in his shot, good defender. Adequate with the ball, not super on the dribble-drive. Appears to be a hothead and needs to get that under control or he's going to get tossed out of a game sooner or later. Lindsey is a mixed bag. He appears to be a completely one-dimensional player - he is super on the drive, and will dish to a big man if the drive gets shut off down low. That he is such a poor free-throw shooter for a player whose entire game is driving to the basket is just bizarre. He has shown no jump shot whatsoever. The book is clearly getting out on him that you can play off him defensively since he won't shoot, and that you have an excellent chance of drawing charge calls against him (I believe had had 3 against Arizona). Good defender, more due to good understanding of the game than physical speed. Needs to learn to give up the ball on the break when appropriate - and the staff needs to stop forcing the ball to him when there are other options available. Greene is the most rounded of the three, but also the rawest. Fastest player we have, has enough of a jump shot and enough of a drive to keep the defense honest, good passer, decisive with the ball. Excellent on-ball defender. Makes freshman mistakes at times.

Bigs: God's Gift dominated against the big men for the cupcakes, then disappeared against the big men for the majors. He is in a typical adjustment process for an undersized athletic big man. It's one thing to play against bigger players who are less talented or players your size who are equally talented, it's another to play against players who are bigger and equally or more talented. Anthony Glover did it on beastly strength and tremendous heart. Gift may have those qualities, but now he needs to make the adjustment. Harkless does some wonderful things, but also tends to disappear. Had 9 rebounds in the first half against Arizona, I believe he had zero in the second half. He is playing very well defensively against bigger players, and is also rebounding very well considering the size mismatch he usually faces and the lack of help from Gift. Seems to have confidence in his short-range jumper as well as in his 3 from the top of the arc, needs to hit more of them. I think he will. Needs to be more aggressive to the hoop. Has special ability, I think once he is comfortable in his role and in the system he will be a special player if he puts out consistent effort. Pointer is a joy to watch on defense. He poses a huge problem for the other team at the top of the zone or in the 1-2-2 press, has fast feet, long arms, great hustle. Is fast enough to take a 2 as the defensive assignment and strong enough to take a 3 and some 4s. His rebounding and defense are absolutely critical given the overall lack of size. Offensive game appears to be rudimentary, but it may be that he has not looked for his opportunities with so many other weapons on the floor.

I would: Start this lineup: Greene at the point, Harrison and Lindsey on the wings, Harkless and Pointer in the post. Gift and Stith will obviously get big minutes off the bench. Although Lindsey passed the ball more in the Texas A & M game, he is still not a point guard. His lack of a jump shot allows the other team to play off him, so if he doesn't drive the lane and score, the only thing he can do is pass the ball around the perimeter. If Greene plays the point, the defense has to play him more honestly to protect both the drive and the shot. He can find Lindsey for the drive (and perhaps the occasional kick to Harrison in the corner ...) or he can drive and score or kick to Harrison. In some sets he can look for his shot. Harkless and Pointer have played the best against major competition. They are going to be too small every single night, and some nights due to matchup Gift will have to start and Phil will have to sit, but on balance I would try the 3-guard approach and see how it works out. The team will take some lumps as Greene matures, but he had the most all-around skills of the guards and the team is going to take some lumps this year no matter what it does, so I would invest in the future.

I haven't had much time for longwinded LMF posts, so enjoy this one, it may be the last one you get for a while.
 
 So far I have attended two games against "cupcakes" and two games against ranked opponents. Here are some thoughts and observations, interested in what others think.

Overall: The team has talent. They struggled in some of the early games and lost the two games at the Garden basically as a result of being a group of mostly freshmen that are still coming together. I think they are likely to gel and gain some maturity/experience as the season goes on and pull off a few unexpected wins. The real key to me seems to be their ability to keep up the defensive pressure. They tend to struggle in the halfcourt both offensively and defensively, but when they pick up the defensive intensity they create turnovers and get opportunities on the break, which is where they do best. The problem in the halfcourt is that they don't have enough size, and the problem with keeping up the defensive intensity is that they don't have enough guys. The staff is doing a great job of rotating people in and out, but they desperately need more horses. An offensively limited 6'10'' guy and a 6'7" wing would be perfect additions. They are of course struggling to defend the 3 just as the team did last year in the 2-3 zone. I think they will get better as the season goes on, but adding some length would help a lot.

Guards: Stith is providing valuable minutes and maturity. He is probably the least talented of the group, but he is tough, makes good decisions, can get to the basket and shoot enough to keep the defense honest, and is a good contributor. Harrison is a very solid all-around player. Seems to be a good shooter and has confidence in his shot, good defender. Adequate with the ball, not super on the dribble-drive. Appears to be a hothead and needs to get that under control or he's going to get tossed out of a game sooner or later. Lindsey is a mixed bag. He appears to be a completely one-dimensional player - he is super on the drive, and will dish to a big man if the drive gets shut off down low. That he is such a poor free-throw shooter for a player whose entire game is driving to the basket is just bizarre. He has shown no jump shot whatsoever. The book is clearly getting out on him that you can play off him defensively since he won't shoot, and that you have an excellent chance of drawing charge calls against him (I believe had had 3 against Arizona). Good defender, more due to good understanding of the game than physical speed. Needs to learn to give up the ball on the break when appropriate - and the staff needs to stop forcing the ball to him when there are other options available. Greene is the most rounded of the three, but also the rawest. Fastest player we have, has enough of a jump shot and enough of a drive to keep the defense honest, good passer, decisive with the ball. Excellent on-ball defender. Makes freshman mistakes at times.

Bigs: God's Gift dominated against the big men for the cupcakes, then disappeared against the big men for the majors. He is in a typical adjustment process for an undersized athletic big man. It's one thing to play against bigger players who are less talented or players your size who are equally talented, it's another to play against players who are bigger and equally or more talented. Anthony Glover did it on beastly strength and tremendous heart. Gift may have those qualities, but now he needs to make the adjustment. Harkless does some wonderful things, but also tends to disappear. Had 9 rebounds in the first half against Arizona, I believe he had zero in the second half. He is playing very well defensively against bigger players, and is also rebounding very well considering the size mismatch he usually faces and the lack of help from Gift. Seems to have confidence in his short-range jumper as well as in his 3 from the top of the arc, needs to hit more of them. I think he will. Needs to be more aggressive to the hoop. Has special ability, I think once he is comfortable in his role and in the system he will be a special player if he puts out consistent effort. Pointer is a joy to watch on defense. He poses a huge problem for the other team at the top of the zone or in the 1-2-2 press, has fast feet, long arms, great hustle. Is fast enough to take a 2 as the defensive assignment and strong enough to take a 3 and some 4s. His rebounding and defense are absolutely critical given the overall lack of size. Offensive game appears to be rudimentary, but it may be that he has not looked for his opportunities with so many other weapons on the floor.

I would: Start this lineup: Greene at the point, Harrison and Lindsey on the wings, Harkless and Pointer in the post. Gift and Stith will obviously get big minutes off the bench. Although Lindsey passed the ball more in the Texas A & M game, he is still not a point guard. His lack of a jump shot allows the other team to play off him, so if he doesn't drive the lane and score, the only thing he can do is pass the ball around the perimeter. If Greene plays the point, the defense has to play him more honestly to protect both the drive and the shot. He can find Lindsey for the drive (and perhaps the occasional kick to Harrison in the corner ...) or he can drive and score or kick to Harrison. In some sets he can look for his shot. Harkless and Pointer have played the best against major competition. They are going to be too small every single night, and some nights due to matchup Gift will have to start and Phil will have to sit, but on balance I would try the 3-guard approach and see how it works out. The team will take some lumps as Greene matures, but he had the most all-around skills of the guards and the team is going to take some lumps this year no matter what it does, so I would invest in the future.

I haven't had much time for longwinded LMF posts, so enjoy this one, it may be the last one you get for a while.
 

Three guard defense is fine as long as you have a dominant shot blocker 6-10--7-0 in temiddle outwisethey will be driving on us all gme
 
 So far I have attended two games against "cupcakes" and two games against ranked opponents. Here are some thoughts and observations, interested in what others think.

Overall: The team has talent. They struggled in some of the early games and lost the two games at the Garden basically as a result of being a group of mostly freshmen that are still coming together. I think they are likely to gel and gain some maturity/experience as the season goes on and pull off a few unexpected wins. The real key to me seems to be their ability to keep up the defensive pressure. They tend to struggle in the halfcourt both offensively and defensively, but when they pick up the defensive intensity they create turnovers and get opportunities on the break, which is where they do best. The problem in the halfcourt is that they don't have enough size, and the problem with keeping up the defensive intensity is that they don't have enough guys. The staff is doing a great job of rotating people in and out, but they desperately need more horses. An offensively limited 6'10'' guy and a 6'7" wing would be perfect additions. They are of course struggling to defend the 3 just as the team did last year in the 2-3 zone. I think they will get better as the season goes on, but adding some length would help a lot.

Guards: Stith is providing valuable minutes and maturity. He is probably the least talented of the group, but he is tough, makes good decisions, can get to the basket and shoot enough to keep the defense honest, and is a good contributor. Harrison is a very solid all-around player. Seems to be a good shooter and has confidence in his shot, good defender. Adequate with the ball, not super on the dribble-drive. Appears to be a hothead and needs to get that under control or he's going to get tossed out of a game sooner or later. Lindsey is a mixed bag. He appears to be a completely one-dimensional player - he is super on the drive, and will dish to a big man if the drive gets shut off down low. That he is such a poor free-throw shooter for a player whose entire game is driving to the basket is just bizarre. He has shown no jump shot whatsoever. The book is clearly getting out on him that you can play off him defensively since he won't shoot, and that you have an excellent chance of drawing charge calls against him (I believe had had 3 against Arizona). Good defender, more due to good understanding of the game than physical speed. Needs to learn to give up the ball on the break when appropriate - and the staff needs to stop forcing the ball to him when there are other options available. Greene is the most rounded of the three, but also the rawest. Fastest player we have, has enough of a jump shot and enough of a drive to keep the defense honest, good passer, decisive with the ball. Excellent on-ball defender. Makes freshman mistakes at times.

Bigs: God's Gift dominated against the big men for the cupcakes, then disappeared against the big men for the majors. He is in a typical adjustment process for an undersized athletic big man. It's one thing to play against bigger players who are less talented or players your size who are equally talented, it's another to play against players who are bigger and equally or more talented. Anthony Glover did it on beastly strength and tremendous heart. Gift may have those qualities, but now he needs to make the adjustment. Harkless does some wonderful things, but also tends to disappear. Had 9 rebounds in the first half against Arizona, I believe he had zero in the second half. He is playing very well defensively against bigger players, and is also rebounding very well considering the size mismatch he usually faces and the lack of help from Gift. Seems to have confidence in his short-range jumper as well as in his 3 from the top of the arc, needs to hit more of them. I think he will. Needs to be more aggressive to the hoop. Has special ability, I think once he is comfortable in his role and in the system he will be a special player if he puts out consistent effort. Pointer is a joy to watch on defense. He poses a huge problem for the other team at the top of the zone or in the 1-2-2 press, has fast feet, long arms, great hustle. Is fast enough to take a 2 as the defensive assignment and strong enough to take a 3 and some 4s. His rebounding and defense are absolutely critical given the overall lack of size. Offensive game appears to be rudimentary, but it may be that he has not looked for his opportunities with so many other weapons on the floor.

I would: Start this lineup: Greene at the point, Harrison and Lindsey on the wings, Harkless and Pointer in the post. Gift and Stith will obviously get big minutes off the bench. Although Lindsey passed the ball more in the Texas A & M game, he is still not a point guard. His lack of a jump shot allows the other team to play off him, so if he doesn't drive the lane and score, the only thing he can do is pass the ball around the perimeter. If Greene plays the point, the defense has to play him more honestly to protect both the drive and the shot. He can find Lindsey for the drive (and perhaps the occasional kick to Harrison in the corner ...) or he can drive and score or kick to Harrison. In some sets he can look for his shot. Harkless and Pointer have played the best against major competition. They are going to be too small every single night, and some nights due to matchup Gift will have to start and Phil will have to sit, but on balance I would try the 3-guard approach and see how it works out. The team will take some lumps as Greene matures, but he had the most all-around skills of the guards and the team is going to take some lumps this year no matter what it does, so I would invest in the future.

I haven't had much time for longwinded LMF posts, so enjoy this one, it may be the last one you get for a while.
 

Great post! Especially that last line. ;)
 
Three guard defense is fine as long as you have a dominant shot blocker 6-10--7-0 in temiddle outwisethey will be driving on us all gme
 

Not necessarily. We play mostly zone and I don't see a bunch of driving in our zone. Not to mention, we have guys smart enough to step in and take charges.

I can also recall 'Nova playing three, and in some cases, four guards and they didn't have that dominant 6'10" or 7'0" foot guy patrolling the middle. They were also successful doing it.

I, actually wouldn't mind the lineup that LMF presented. We could occasionally swap out GG and Pointer when it comes to starting lineups. Overall, I'd like to go with Greene, Harrison, Lindsey, Harkless and either GG or Pointer.
 
So far, two recruits that were expected to be starters have reopened their recruitment. Two starters {GG and Stith} would have been great off the bench. Our team, when it was the #3 recruiting class, could have played with anyone in the Big East. Now, every game will be an adventure.
The kids that we have were dealt a bad hand. So far, I am proud of their guts and determination. It is that simple!
 
Once Garrett comes on board, I think you will see us play more of the man-to-man defense. I understand why we are playing mostly zone, but I would like to see the crew come out in man one of these games, just to get a lead early, and not play from behind for once.

Garrett gives us 9 scholorship players, and a rotation of 8, and if you think about it, we wouldn't be THAT short in numbers, with regards to how many guys get significant playing time. We just wouldn't be able to compensate for fouls, or potential injury, but once conference play hits, most teams only go 9 deep MAX (some less then that).

Lindsey is the big question mark. As I've said elsewhere, he is both a strength and a weakness. He is not a true 1, or a 2, and I fear a Hack-a-Nuri stratgey being used by other teams late in games if we are ahead. However, we also saw against Arizona, what this team looks like when his experience, and leadership, are not avaliable to us. 
 
Once Garrett comes on board, I think you will see us play more of the man-to-man defense. I understand why we are playing mostly zone, but I would like to see the crew come out in man one of these games, just to get a lead early, and not play from behind for once.

Garrett gives us 9 scholorship players, and a rotation of 8, and if you think about it, we wouldn't be THAT short in numbers, with regards to how many guys get significant playing time. We just wouldn't be able to compensate for fouls, or potential injury, but once conference play hits, most teams only go 9 deep MAX (some less then that).

Lindsey is the big question mark. As I've said elsewhere, he is both a strength and a weakness. He is not a true 1, or a 2, and I fear a Hack-a-Nuri stratgey being used by other teams late in games if we are ahead. However, we also saw against Arizona, what this team looks like when his experience, and leadership, are not avaliable to us. 
 

I wish everyone would not count Jamal White as a scholarship player. I don't mean to knock him but hes not getting off the bench, so I can't consider him a scholarship player.
 
 So far I have attended two games against "cupcakes" and two games against ranked opponents. Here are some thoughts and observations, interested in what others think.

Overall: The team has talent. They struggled in some of the early games and lost the two games at the Garden basically as a result of being a group of mostly freshmen that are still coming together. I think they are likely to gel and gain some maturity/experience as the season goes on and pull off a few unexpected wins. The real key to me seems to be their ability to keep up the defensive pressure. They tend to struggle in the halfcourt both offensively and defensively, but when they pick up the defensive intensity they create turnovers and get opportunities on the break, which is where they do best. The problem in the halfcourt is that they don't have enough size, and the problem with keeping up the defensive intensity is that they don't have enough guys. The staff is doing a great job of rotating people in and out, but they desperately need more horses. An offensively limited 6'10'' guy and a 6'7" wing would be perfect additions. They are of course struggling to defend the 3 just as the team did last year in the 2-3 zone. I think they will get better as the season goes on, but adding some length would help a lot.

Guards: Stith is providing valuable minutes and maturity. He is probably the least talented of the group, but he is tough, makes good decisions, can get to the basket and shoot enough to keep the defense honest, and is a good contributor. Harrison is a very solid all-around player. Seems to be a good shooter and has confidence in his shot, good defender. Adequate with the ball, not super on the dribble-drive. Appears to be a hothead and needs to get that under control or he's going to get tossed out of a game sooner or later. Lindsey is a mixed bag. He appears to be a completely one-dimensional player - he is super on the drive, and will dish to a big man if the drive gets shut off down low. That he is such a poor free-throw shooter for a player whose entire game is driving to the basket is just bizarre. He has shown no jump shot whatsoever. The book is clearly getting out on him that you can play off him defensively since he won't shoot, and that you have an excellent chance of drawing charge calls against him (I believe had had 3 against Arizona). Good defender, more due to good understanding of the game than physical speed. Needs to learn to give up the ball on the break when appropriate - and the staff needs to stop forcing the ball to him when there are other options available. Greene is the most rounded of the three, but also the rawest. Fastest player we have, has enough of a jump shot and enough of a drive to keep the defense honest, good passer, decisive with the ball. Excellent on-ball defender. Makes freshman mistakes at times.

Bigs: God's Gift dominated against the big men for the cupcakes, then disappeared against the big men for the majors. He is in a typical adjustment process for an undersized athletic big man. It's one thing to play against bigger players who are less talented or players your size who are equally talented, it's another to play against players who are bigger and equally or more talented. Anthony Glover did it on beastly strength and tremendous heart. Gift may have those qualities, but now he needs to make the adjustment. Harkless does some wonderful things, but also tends to disappear. Had 9 rebounds in the first half against Arizona, I believe he had zero in the second half. He is playing very well defensively against bigger players, and is also rebounding very well considering the size mismatch he usually faces and the lack of help from Gift. Seems to have confidence in his short-range jumper as well as in his 3 from the top of the arc, needs to hit more of them. I think he will. Needs to be more aggressive to the hoop. Has special ability, I think once he is comfortable in his role and in the system he will be a special player if he puts out consistent effort. Pointer is a joy to watch on defense. He poses a huge problem for the other team at the top of the zone or in the 1-2-2 press, has fast feet, long arms, great hustle. Is fast enough to take a 2 as the defensive assignment and strong enough to take a 3 and some 4s. His rebounding and defense are absolutely critical given the overall lack of size. Offensive game appears to be rudimentary, but it may be that he has not looked for his opportunities with so many other weapons on the floor.

I would: Start this lineup: Greene at the point, Harrison and Lindsey on the wings, Harkless and Pointer in the post. Gift and Stith will obviously get big minutes off the bench. Although Lindsey passed the ball more in the Texas A & M game, he is still not a point guard. His lack of a jump shot allows the other team to play off him, so if he doesn't drive the lane and score, the only thing he can do is pass the ball around the perimeter. If Greene plays the point, the defense has to play him more honestly to protect both the drive and the shot. He can find Lindsey for the drive (and perhaps the occasional kick to Harrison in the corner ...) or he can drive and score or kick to Harrison. In some sets he can look for his shot. Harkless and Pointer have played the best against major competition. They are going to be too small every single night, and some nights due to matchup Gift will have to start and Phil will have to sit, but on balance I would try the 3-guard approach and see how it works out. The team will take some lumps as Greene matures, but he had the most all-around skills of the guards and the team is going to take some lumps this year no matter what it does, so I would invest in the future.

I haven't had much time for longwinded LMF posts, so enjoy this one, it may be the last one you get for a while.
 

I'd like to thank Lawman for this post because knowing what he charges as a lawyer he lost about $10,000 in billable time by writing this
 
Once Garrett comes on board, I think you will see us play more of the man-to-man defense. I understand why we are playing mostly zone, but I would like to see the crew come out in man one of these games, just to get a lead early, and not play from behind for once.

Garrett gives us 9 scholorship players, and a rotation of 8, and if you think about it, we wouldn't be THAT short in numbers, with regards to how many guys get significant playing time. We just wouldn't be able to compensate for fouls, or potential injury, but once conference play hits, most teams only go 9 deep MAX (some less then that).

Lindsey is the big question mark. As I've said elsewhere, he is both a strength and a weakness. He is not a true 1, or a 2, and I fear a Hack-a-Nuri stratgey being used by other teams late in games if we are ahead. However, we also saw against Arizona, what this team looks like when his experience, and leadership, are not avaliable to us. 
 

I wish everyone would not count Jamal White as a scholarship player. I don't mean to knock him but hes not getting off the bench, so I can't consider him a scholarship player.
 

That's why I said 9 scholorship, with 8 in rotation. When Garrett gets back, White becomes the 9th man either way.
 
Once Garrett comes on board, I think you will see us play more of the man-to-man defense. I understand why we are playing mostly zone, but I would like to see the crew come out in man one of these games, just to get a lead early, and not play from behind for once.

Garrett gives us 9 scholorship players, and a rotation of 8, and if you think about it, we wouldn't be THAT short in numbers, with regards to how many guys get significant playing time. We just wouldn't be able to compensate for fouls, or potential injury, but once conference play hits, most teams only go 9 deep MAX (some less then that).

Lindsey is the big question mark. As I've said elsewhere, he is both a strength and a weakness. He is not a true 1, or a 2, and I fear a Hack-a-Nuri stratgey being used by other teams late in games if we are ahead. However, we also saw against Arizona, what this team looks like when his experience, and leadership, are not avaliable to us. 
 

I wish everyone would not count Jamal White as a scholarship player. I don't mean to knock him but hes not getting off the bench, so I can't consider him a scholarship player.
 

That's why I said 9 scholorship, with 8 in rotation. When Garrett gets back, White becomes the 9th man either way.
  

My bad had my numbers mixed up.
To add Cummings will see more PT and he will be a walkon. 
 
If they could get Pelle as well as Garrett we are looking at the final four :) I like this team but do think the coaching staff needs to get Harkless more touches and shots 
 
If they could get Pelle as well as Garrett we are looking at the final four :) I like this team but do think the coaching staff needs to get Harkless more touches and shots 
 

He's actually taken the most shots than anyone on the team.
 
Good analysis. Greene has impressed more than I expected. 
 

Greene will be excellent. I love his athleticism, long reach and shooting stroke. Really, his problem shooting is not his stroke at all but rather his concentration and pulling straight up instead of "floating" when he takes a jumper. It changes his trajectory. The kid is really good. Actually, all these are really good. We just don't have enou of them and need a few more pieces and some experience. As moose mentioned. Cummings will be the 9th man when Garrett comes on board. Syracuse has a 19th man, so it shows where we are and where we need to be. And I prefer GG as a starter over Pointer. GG has more size, a lot of good games ahead and I think Pointer is a great spark off he bench.
 
Good analysis. Greene has impressed more than I expected. 
 

Greene will be excellent. I love his athleticism, long reach and shooting stroke. Really, his problem shooting is not his stroke at all but rather his concentration and pulling straight up instead of "floating" when he takes a jumper. It changes his trajectory. The kid is really good. Actually, all these are really good. We just don't have enou of them and need a few more pieces and some experience. As moose mentioned. Cummings will be the 9th man when Garrett comes on board. Syracuse has a 19th man, so it shows where we are and where we need to be. And I prefer GG as a starter over Pointer. GG has more size, a lot of good games ahead and I think Pointer is a great spark off he bench.
 

MCN, any update on Cummings? Posters have been mentioning him as if he will be in the rotation but I haven't heard anything about that. Also, thinking about it more I agree with you MCN on Pointer coming off the bench. ala Justin Burrell. Its great to have a spark off the bench, and I look at it this way, in the first 4 minutes of the half, having GG in over Poitner shouldn't be a difference to the point where were out of the game, but it saves fouls on Dom, who plays aggressive D (yet somehow does not foul a lot), and gives Pointer less tired legs throughout the game to play the tough D on the top of the zone. It also is a big change when he comes in on the 1-3-1. He really is something on defense, can defend the perimeter like a guard but has a wingspan of a PF.
 
If they could get Pelle as well as Garrett we are looking at the final four :) I like this team but do think the coaching staff needs to get Harkless more touches and shots 
 
Yeah we will be looking at the final four-on TV. It is all about the Johnnies don't even bother considering the other talented teams out there. Final 4 maybe in two years if we get the recruits we expect to get.
 
 So far I have attended two games against "cupcakes" and two games against ranked opponents. Here are some thoughts and observations, interested in what others think.

Overall: The team has talent. They struggled in some of the early games and lost the two games at the Garden basically as a result of being a group of mostly freshmen that are still coming together. I think they are likely to gel and gain some maturity/experience as the season goes on and pull off a few unexpected wins. The real key to me seems to be their ability to keep up the defensive pressure. They tend to struggle in the halfcourt both offensively and defensively, but when they pick up the defensive intensity they create turnovers and get opportunities on the break, which is where they do best. The problem in the halfcourt is that they don't have enough size, and the problem with keeping up the defensive intensity is that they don't have enough guys. The staff is doing a great job of rotating people in and out, but they desperately need more horses. An offensively limited 6'10'' guy and a 6'7" wing would be perfect additions. They are of course struggling to defend the 3 just as the team did last year in the 2-3 zone. I think they will get better as the season goes on, but adding some length would help a lot.

Guards: Stith is providing valuable minutes and maturity. He is probably the least talented of the group, but he is tough, makes good decisions, can get to the basket and shoot enough to keep the defense honest, and is a good contributor. Harrison is a very solid all-around player. Seems to be a good shooter and has confidence in his shot, good defender. Adequate with the ball, not super on the dribble-drive. Appears to be a hothead and needs to get that under control or he's going to get tossed out of a game sooner or later. Lindsey is a mixed bag. He appears to be a completely one-dimensional player - he is super on the drive, and will dish to a big man if the drive gets shut off down low. That he is such a poor free-throw shooter for a player whose entire game is driving to the basket is just bizarre. He has shown no jump shot whatsoever. The book is clearly getting out on him that you can play off him defensively since he won't shoot, and that you have an excellent chance of drawing charge calls against him (I believe had had 3 against Arizona). Good defender, more due to good understanding of the game than physical speed. Needs to learn to give up the ball on the break when appropriate - and the staff needs to stop forcing the ball to him when there are other options available. Greene is the most rounded of the three, but also the rawest. Fastest player we have, has enough of a jump shot and enough of a drive to keep the defense honest, good passer, decisive with the ball. Excellent on-ball defender. Makes freshman mistakes at times.

Bigs: God's Gift dominated against the big men for the cupcakes, then disappeared against the big men for the majors. He is in a typical adjustment process for an undersized athletic big man. It's one thing to play against bigger players who are less talented or players your size who are equally talented, it's another to play against players who are bigger and equally or more talented. Anthony Glover did it on beastly strength and tremendous heart. Gift may have those qualities, but now he needs to make the adjustment. Harkless does some wonderful things, but also tends to disappear. Had 9 rebounds in the first half against Arizona, I believe he had zero in the second half. He is playing very well defensively against bigger players, and is also rebounding very well considering the size mismatch he usually faces and the lack of help from Gift. Seems to have confidence in his short-range jumper as well as in his 3 from the top of the arc, needs to hit more of them. I think he will. Needs to be more aggressive to the hoop. Has special ability, I think once he is comfortable in his role and in the system he will be a special player if he puts out consistent effort. Pointer is a joy to watch on defense. He poses a huge problem for the other team at the top of the zone or in the 1-2-2 press, has fast feet, long arms, great hustle. Is fast enough to take a 2 as the defensive assignment and strong enough to take a 3 and some 4s. His rebounding and defense are absolutely critical given the overall lack of size. Offensive game appears to be rudimentary, but it may be that he has not looked for his opportunities with so many other weapons on the floor.

I would: Start this lineup: Greene at the point, Harrison and Lindsey on the wings, Harkless and Pointer in the post. Gift and Stith will obviously get big minutes off the bench. Although Lindsey passed the ball more in the Texas A & M game, he is still not a point guard. His lack of a jump shot allows the other team to play off him, so if he doesn't drive the lane and score, the only thing he can do is pass the ball around the perimeter. If Greene plays the point, the defense has to play him more honestly to protect both the drive and the shot. He can find Lindsey for the drive (and perhaps the occasional kick to Harrison in the corner ...) or he can drive and score or kick to Harrison. In some sets he can look for his shot. Harkless and Pointer have played the best against major competition. They are going to be too small every single night, and some nights due to matchup Gift will have to start and Phil will have to sit, but on balance I would try the 3-guard approach and see how it works out. The team will take some lumps as Greene matures, but he had the most all-around skills of the guards and the team is going to take some lumps this year no matter what it does, so I would invest in the future.

I haven't had much time for longwinded LMF posts, so enjoy this one, it may be the last one you get for a while.
 

I'm higher on Lindsay than you are. His innate ability to drive on defenders and his left handed finishes are invaluable. I believe his FT percentage and shooting will improve over the season and next year and think he'll be a very effective PG. In both the Ariz and Tex AM game the offense went into the doldrums when he was off the floor. I think people are much more critical of his game than is warranted. Hatten was not a good shooter but was a force on the team. Wait and see Nuri's going to be a very very good player for us.
 
I'm higher on Lindsay than you are. His innate ability to drive on defenders and his left handed finishes are invaluable. I believe his FT percentage and shooting will improve over the season and next year and think he'll be a very effective PG. In both the Ariz and Tex AM game the offense went into the doldrums when he was off the floor. I think people are much more critical of his game than is warranted. Hatten was not a good shooter but was a force on the team. Wait and see Nuri's going to be a very very good player for us.
 

I think everyone except TIS is higher on Lindsay than I am, and that includes the staff. ;)

IMHO an effective PG looks to pass first, not score first, but that it is perhaps an old-school prejudice. You are not correct that the offense went into the doldrums with Nuri off the floor, they actually played well without him. They would play even better without him if the staff spent less time sending the players the message that Nuri is The Show so that the other players are more comfortable looking for their opportunities (I do think they are working on that).

And from the sample I've seen so far, Marcus was JJ Redick compared to Nuri.

He will be fine, and a valuable player for us, but he's just one piece of the puzzle, not a one-man team like Hatten, Hardy, etc.
 
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