SJU Structural Problems

JSJ - with Fr. Shanley coming in Feb. 1, is it realistic to think a capital campaign as needed inclusive of athletics, could be launched by start of fall semester or sooner?
 
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Perhaps there is a faint light at the end of the tunnel. The new president. If he gets as disgusted as us posters maybe he can allocate some funds to improve facilities by getting some contributions from boosters. He can't improve our past ten years of futility which hurts recruiting but if improving facilities can help in that area maybe spending some money can be looked on as an investment .
Will next season be the low water mark in SJU season ticket sales?
 
RedStormNC" post=412093 said:
JSJ - with Fr. Shanley coming in Feb. 1, is it realistic to think a capital campaign as needed inclusive of athletics, could be launched by start of fall semester or sooner?

Your guess is as good as mine


 
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Enright" post=412095 said:
Perhaps there is a faint light at the end of the tunnel. The new president. If he gets as disgusted as us posters maybe he can allocate some funds to improve facilities by getting some contributions from boosters. He can't improve our past ten years of futility which hurts recruiting but if improving facilities can help in that area maybe spending some money can be looked on as an investment .
Will next season be the low water mark in SJU season ticket sales?

Realize this is easier said than done but it's,  for the most part, the same people writing checks year after year. 

We need to greatly broaden the base. You can't keep going to the same well, year after year after year.

Apparently Fr. Shanley was surprised that our development department was nowhere near the size of the one at Providence.

As we all know, it takes $$$ to make $$$

If you want great facilities this is the type of commitment you need:

Finneran Pavilion is a $65 million, fully donor funded renovation, which was led by 20 leadership gifts of $1 million or more and 130 major gifts of $100,000 or more. The lead gift was presented by William "Bill" Finneran, a 1963 Villanova School of Business graduate with a degree in Economics.



20 gifts of $1 million or more

130 gifts 0f $100K or more

Plus Mr. Finneran's $25 million contribution.

Here's a look at PC's facility:

https://friars.com/facilities/ruane-friar-development-center-and-innovation-lab/27

https://friars.com/news/2018/9/29/m...dedicates-ruane-friar-development-center.aspx






 
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What if we give up the thought of a new on campus BB facility and instead play our home games at MSG, Barclays, and Belmont?
 
My guess is most of the money made is on campus games in our current state unless we are maxing out games attendance wise at msg. A new on campus facility I can't see happening. New York Construction costs and cost of materials already going higher in anticipation of potential stimul bill involving infrastructure. Your best bet would be for school to raise a ton of money like JSJ has mentioned for capital improvements and best case scenario do a complete remodel on the inside but that's going to involve major money. With all due respect to Coach C they should have sold naming rights a long time ago for the arena if the money would have been right. If it was just going to be a small amount bsck then and called the Sly Fox Arena then obviously no but if corporate dollars could have been brought in then you could have called it for example Carnesseca Court at the Pepsi Arena as just an example 
 
Enright" post=412095 said:
Perhaps there is a faint light at the end of the tunnel. The new president. If he gets as disgusted as us posters maybe he can allocate some funds to improve facilities by getting some contributions from boosters. He can't improve our past ten years of futility which hurts recruiting but if improving facilities can help in that area maybe spending some money can be looked on as an investment .
Will next season be the low water mark in SJU season ticket sales?

I'll assume that for Fr Shanley, upgrading our facilities in an effort to improve our basketball program is  purely a business decision and not an emotional one (as it is for us). Besides, he'd have to be here for at least 20 years to get to the level of disgust that most of us fans are. Our basketball program is a huge revenue generator for the school. As SJS said, you need to spend money to make money.  I expect, from his years at PC, that Fr. Shanley realizes this and will take the necessary steps to upgrade our facilities. Raising ticket prices, yet again, is not the answer. We've been there before and it didnt work. Our fan base is sick of false promises,  and the average college basketball fan is not going to pay more to see an inferior product. Fund raising is the only solution it seems. A fundraising campaign specifically earmarked for "new athletic facitlities" would seem to me to be best options, but then I know nothing about this sort of thing. 
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The reality is that in the Age of Covid, the university has other pressing concerns.

I don't think basketball or state of the art facilities are among the most urgent.
 
jerseyshorejohnny" post=412107 said:
The reality is that in the Age of Covid, the university has other pressing concerns.

I don't think basketball or state of the art facilities are among the most urgent.

Agreed, wasnt expecting anything in the near future.  Hopefully down the road, when things get back to normal. Whatever "normal" may be. 
 
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JSJ, agree the BB Program falls behind the other Financial and Academic issues that St John's is facing . But , the Brand of the School now decades later , was a positive one due to the On Court success the Team enjoyed for most of its existence . It's only a faint memory but , it wasn't that long ago that St John's had the 4 th Winningest record in all College BB .  G'Town , Providence , Marquette , Seton Hall all play their Games at large Public Arenas , as we have done at MSG .  The idea of a New On Campus facility is overrated and too expensive . We probably shouldn't play any Games there going forward . Use MSG, the new Belmont and to a lesser extent Barclays .  If we only draw 5000 it's not because the Arena is too big , it's because we haven't been a Winning or Competitive Team in years . If we ever regain a Competitive level of play in the BE , Post Covid , attendance at MSG won't be a problem . 
 
SLYFOXX1968" post=412112 said:
JSJ, agree the BB Program falls behind the other Financial and Academic issues that St John's is facing . But , the Brand of the School now decades later , was a positive one due to the On Court success the Team enjoyed for most of its existence . It's only a faint memory but , it wasn't that long ago that St John's had the 4 th Winningest record in all College BB .  G'Town , Providence , Marquette , Seton Hall all play their Games at large Public Arenas , as we have done at MSG .  The idea of a New On Campus facility is overrated and too expensive . We probably shouldn't play any Games there going forward . Use MSG, the new Belmont and to a lesser extent Barclays .  If we only draw 5000 it's not because the Arena is too big , it's because we haven't been a Winning or Competitive Team in years . If we ever regain a Competitive level of play in the BE , Post Covid , attendance at MSG won't be a problem . 


No way we make as much money ( the school ) playing all their games at msg as Providence dies playing at the dunk if you had equal attendance. Absolutely no way
 
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And as an example of cost the cost to redo the Dunk I guess 10 or 15 years ago waa definitely at least 75 million. I don't think it was 100 mill but that's at least 10 years ago and that's Rhode Island costs which certainly are less than New York Costs and inflation on cost of materials 
 
jerseyshorejohnny" post=412107 said:
The reality is that in the Age of Covid, the university has other pressing concerns.

I don't think basketball or state of the art facilities are among the most urgent.

Universities are bleeding cash right now me thinks upgrading your on campus facility is not at the top of the list of University spending priorities. 

Kids want to win and they want to play for a coach and program who they think can win and put them in a good position to potentially excel at next level. And that comes with a combination of on court success and building relationships off court.
 
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Universities are bleeding cash right now and basketball is not their primary objective but you may not have a better year to fund raise at SJU with Wall St. gains sky high and a good number of SJU alumni and basketball fans enjoying high profits. Unlike SJU basketball Wall St has good and bad years and this year may be one not to be missed.
 
I think the feeling was at the end of last season SJU was not the equal of the top big east teams but was  at least competitive. As pointed out in another post this years team seems to have regressed and that is the reason for fans disappointment.
Paultzmans post the other day was right on. A few years ago two top ten Jucos could be counted on to be solid starters and  contributors. No longer the case.
 
 
Enright" post=412122 said:
Universities are bleeding cash right now and basketball is not their primary objective but you may not have a better year to fund raise at SJU with Wall St. gains sky high and a good number of SJU alumni and basketball fans enjoying high profits. Unlike SJU basketball Wall St has good and bad years and this year may be one not to be missed.

Unfortuntely, many grads with outsized resouces have shown no willingness to share their wealth with their alma mater

Maybe Fr. Shanley can get them to reconsider.

 
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