SJU Portal Targets

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logen said:
My two cents, completely ignoring the ALL important chemistry and blending of skills to create a team. Same as last years portal related posting. So Smith needs the ball, so does Richmond, to a certain degree Luis. It appears Pryor does also, or will expect to.
Who is going to do the “dirty work” that the team lacked last year? Who is going to screen, who’s going to balance the floor when SJU is on offense, which was a glaring weakness that was never solved last year, as evidenced by the easy baskets UConn got in the final loss last year, 5 of them after Johnnie makes.
I hope I am wrong but I do not think Pitino’s strength as a coach is piecing teams together year over year. I expect similar “learning curves” next year. Whatever the count is exactly, 8 or 9 new players, 3-5 starters who never played a minute together, all players who may be, at the end of the day, “chasing the NBA”.
Sorry to throw water on all the “studs” most are salivating over but teams win, individual talent does not. We shall see…
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Very good post Logan. We all tend to get hyped up based on the incoming talent but a lot has to do with team chemistry and effort. Richmond can be the best guard in college hoops but unless he buys into Pitino’s defensive system and puts in the effort, the results won’t be good. Pitino’s calling card has always been that his players/teams develop over time. The problem is, time is no longer a luxury when it comes to a Dance invite.
 
RedStormNC said:
Thanks Mase.

Interesting that Taylor was not in the Top 3 this year but Luis was. So many here (including me) noted how Taylor was one of our best defenders at times. No Alleyne in Top 3 either.
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Something something lies damn lies statistics.

Appreciate Mase posting the data (I love that stuff) but easy to read too much into it. Very limited "pre" sample for some guys, in truth a limited sample for some when here.

My main takeaway is that overall it was a godawfully bad defensive team in general. And since defense is not solely an individual item, but exists in the context of the team approach and help from other players in addition to individual efforts, a good defender surrounded by bad defenders looks worse than a mediocre defender surrounded by good ones.

Besides it's really hard to measure defense statistically IMO.

However, I blame Jenkins.
 
RedStormNC said:
Thanks Mase.

Interesting that Taylor was not in the Top 3 this year but Luis was. So many here (including me) noted how Taylor was one of our best defenders at times. No Alleyne in Top 3 either.
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Could those defensive numbers from the prior season,except for Zuby, have to do with the level of competition?
 
Amaseinyourface said:
Defense was a rough last year, we all know the punch lines.

College basketball reference has a stat they call "Defensive Rating" and they define it as “an estimate of points allowed per 100 possessions.”

How much you decide to take from that I’ll leave up to you. However looking at it for last years team and the current commits/targets something stands out.

For last years team, our 3 highest "Defensive Ratings" were:
Zuby: 101.3
Chris: 101.3
Luis: 101.5

Everyone else was below 103.

When those players transferred to SJU the year before, coincidence or not, those three had the highest Defensive Rating over their career.

"Def Rating" over their career prior to SJU
Zuby: 90.2
Chris: 93.3
Luis: 100.6

The rest of the transfer contributors "Def rating" over their career prior to SJU:
Jenkins: 100.9
Nahiem: 102.8
Dingle: 107.7
Conway: 108.5
Taylor: 110.7

Now our commits so far this portal season.

The transfers we have coming in:
Scott: 94.0
Richmond: 96.5
Smith: 100.7
Vince: 105.1

And our targets:
Pryor: 94.0
Watkins: 95.5
Mitchell: 97.6

So according to this, we retained our 2 best defenders with eligibility left and we’ve targeted players with solid Defensive Ratings (besides Vince). You can choose to believe if it means anything or not but I found it interesting.
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A reason I hate analytics, with all genuine due respect; teams play defense, not individuals. For my favorite never ending story, the unopposed layups SJU gifted UConn with after makes last year, whose stats does that go against since NO ONE was on D? How about when someone rotates and helps a teammate who got beat and the helpers man gets a rebound and lays the ball in? Sports have become so fixated on the individual that the 5 man teamwork and the “little things” nuances that IMO make or break teams just get lost in the shuffle.
Prime example, people I know pointing to Brunson’s poor shooting last night as the reason they lost and no doubt he was off for whatever reason. But the difference last night IMO was the Pacers offensive rebounds down the stretch, which was the reversal of the first two games when the Knick’s owned that stat. Yet look at the final stats and the teams were relatively even for the entire games. So the difference in the games was not how many but when. Give me the eye test every time, but that’s just me.
One last point, my favorite and most disappointing play of last year was the Dunlap sprint baseline to baseline after he made a short jumper, fouling a UConn player about to lay in another unopposed shot after a Johnnie’s make. Since his 4 teammates were standing watching him hustle his a$$ off, is that a negative on Dunlap for committing a foul?
 
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Amaseinyourface said:
Defense was a rough last year, we all know the punch lines.

College basketball reference has a stat they call "Defensive Rating" and they define it as “an estimate of points allowed per 100 possessions.”

How much you decide to take from that I’ll leave up to you. However looking at it for last years team and the current commits/targets something stands out.

For last years team, our 3 highest "Defensive Ratings" were:
Zuby: 101.3
Chris: 101.3
Luis: 101.5

Everyone else was below 103.

When those players transferred to SJU the year before, coincidence or not, those three had the highest Defensive Rating over their career.

"Def Rating" over their career prior to SJU
Zuby: 90.2
Chris: 93.3
Luis: 100.6

The rest of the transfer contributors "Def rating" over their career prior to SJU:
Jenkins: 100.9
Nahiem: 102.8
Dingle: 107.7
Conway: 108.5
Taylor: 110.7

Now our commits so far this portal season.

The transfers we have coming in:
Scott: 94.0
Richmond: 96.5
Smith: 100.7
Vince: 105.1

And our targets:
Pryor: 94.0
Watkins: 95.5
Mitchell: 97.6

So according to this, we retained our 2 best defenders with eligibility left and we’ve targeted players with solid Defensive Ratings (besides Vince). You can choose to believe if it means anything or not but I found it interesting.
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Well, this statistic needs to be thrown in a urinal.
 
logen said:
A reason I hate analytics, with all genuine due respect; teams play defense, not individuals. For my favorite never ending story, the unopposed layups SJU gifted UConn with after makes last year, whose stats does that go against since NO ONE was on D? How about when someone rotates and helps a teammate who got beat and the helpers man gets a rebound and lays the ball in? Sports have become so fixated on the individual that the 5 man teamwork and the “little things” nuances that IMO make or break teams just get lost in the shuffle.
Prime example, people I know pointing to Brunson’s poor shooting last night as the reason they lost and no doubt he was off for whatever reason. But the difference last night IMO was the Pacers offensive rebounds down the stretch, which was the reversal of the first two games when the Knick’s owned that stat. Yet look at the final stats and the teams were relatively even for the entire games. So the difference in the games was not how many but when. Give me the eye test every time, but that’s just me.
One last point, my favorite and most disappointing play of last year was the Dunlap sprint baseline to baseline after he made a short jumper, fouling a UConn player about to lay in another unopposed shot after a Johnnie’s make. Since his 4 teammates were standing watching him hustle his a$$ off, is that a negative on Dunlap for committing a foul?
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No disrespect taken. I would never tell you not to use the eye test. I do to. But I think neglecting to take anything from analytics is equally foolish, with all due respect.
 
logen said:
A reason I hate analytics, with all genuine due respect; teams play defense, not individuals. For my favorite never ending story, the unopposed layups SJU gifted UConn with after makes last year, whose stats does that go against since NO ONE was on D? How about when someone rotates and helps a teammate who got beat and the helpers man gets a rebound and lays the ball in? Sports have become so fixated on the individual that the 5 man teamwork and the “little things” nuances that IMO make or break teams just get lost in the shuffle.
Prime example, people I know pointing to Brunson’s poor shooting last night as the reason they lost and no doubt he was off for whatever reason. But the difference last night IMO was the Pacers offensive rebounds down the stretch, which was the reversal of the first two games when the Knick’s owned that stat. Yet look at the final stats and the teams were relatively even for the entire games. So the difference in the games was not how many but when. Give me the eye test every time, but that’s just me.
One last point, my favorite and most disappointing play of last year was the Dunlap sprint baseline to baseline after he made a short jumper, fouling a UConn player about to lay in another unopposed shot after a Johnnie’s make. Since his 4 teammates were standing watching him hustle his a$$ off, is that a negative on Dunlap for committing a foul?
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Attention Please Kranmars ..
 
SJUDave said:
Arkansas source reiterated to me again late last night Pryor is basically done to Arkansas.
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Worthwhile pursuit.

on to the next one GIF
 
Anyone know of PF’s in the portal and NBA combine list that may be available it they decided to come back to college?
 
Demo said:
Anyone know of PF’s in the portal and NBA combine list that may be available it they decided to come back to college?
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Pretty sure the main people would be Coleman Hawkins and Jaylen Wells (who's more of a 3/4). Hawkins is being pursued by ARK, UNC and Louisville & would probably cost as much as Omier, and Wells would be a Texas Tech lean (according to Trilly). Wells would be a great add but no idea if he's on our radar.
 
I don’t think he’s what we are looking for because he can’t play the 5 at all and he’s not a shooter, but would almost be interesting for the shear fact of stealing him from underneath SHU nose, Ezra Ausar is a forward some HMs are after. Hall wants him bad but Utah and NC state are after him. Reminds me of Cristian Jones. He and wusu could have some serious arm wrestling matches.

www.sports-reference.com

Ezra Ausar College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Ezra Ausar - Stats, Game Logs, Splits, and much more
www.sports-reference.com www.sports-reference.com
 
logen said:
My two cents, completely ignoring the ALL important chemistry and blending of skills to create a team. Same as last years portal related posting. So Smith needs the ball, so does Richmond, to a certain degree Luis. It appears Pryor does also, or will expect to.
Who is going to do the “dirty work” that the team lacked last year? Who is going to screen, who’s going to balance the floor when SJU is on offense, which was a glaring weakness that was never solved last year, as evidenced by the easy baskets UConn got in the final loss last year, 5 of them after Johnnie makes.
I hope I am wrong but I do not think Pitino’s strength as a coach is piecing teams together year over year. I expect similar “learning curves” next year. Whatever the count is exactly, 8 or 9 new players, 3-5 starters who never played a minute together, all players who may be, at the end of the day, “chasing the NBA”.
Sorry to throw water on all the “studs” most are salivating over but teams win, individual talent does not. We shall see…
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No problem. And your paragraphing skills are as bad as some of these defensive analytics.😁😉

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Amaseinyourface said:
Defense was a rough last year, we all know the punch lines.

College basketball reference has a stat they call "Defensive Rating" and they define it as “an estimate of points allowed per 100 possessions.”

How much you decide to take from that I’ll leave up to you. However looking at it for last years team and the current commits/targets something stands out.

For last years team, our 3 highest "Defensive Ratings" were:
Zuby: 101.3
Chris: 101.3
Luis: 101.5

Everyone else was below 103.

When those players transferred to SJU the year before, coincidence or not, those three had the highest Defensive Rating over their career.

"Def Rating" over their career prior to SJU
Zuby: 90.2
Chris: 93.3
Luis: 100.6

The rest of the transfer contributors "Def rating" over their career prior to SJU:
Jenkins: 100.9
Nahiem: 102.8
Dingle: 107.7
Conway: 108.5
Taylor: 110.7

Now our commits so far this portal season.

The transfers we have coming in:
Scott: 94.0
Richmond: 96.5
Smith: 100.7
Vince: 105.1

And our targets:
Pryor: 94.0
Watkins: 95.5
Mitchell: 97.6

So according to this, we retained our 2 best defenders with eligibility left and we’ve targeted players with solid Defensive Ratings (besides Vince). You can choose to believe if it means anything or not but I found it interesting.
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I am going to give you a “like” for the research. But admittedly, I have no idea what the research is saying. 😉
 
Amaseinyourface said:
I don’t think he’s what we are looking for because he can’t play the 5 at all and he’s not a shooter, but would almost be interesting for the shear fact of stealing him from underneath SHU nose, Ezra Ausar is a forward some HMs are after. Hall wants him bad but Utah and NC state are after him. Reminds me of Cristian Jones. He and wusu could have some serious arm wrestling matches.

www.sports-reference.com

Ezra Ausar College Stats | College Basketball at Sports-Reference.com

Ezra Ausar - Stats, Game Logs, Splits, and much more
www.sports-reference.com www.sports-reference.com
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Briefly looking at his teams stats…is his teammate Brandon Johnson available? That kid seems to have wanted the basketball a lot more.
 
kranmars said:
I am going to give you a “like” for the research. But admittedly, I have no idea what the research is saying. 😉
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No problem, it’s essentially saying that if the overall aggregate of each individuals defensive delta is greater than the dispersions left from the departures, then we should be in good shape.
 
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