Although, I've never attended a game at CA (I was at Midnight Madness prior to the start of the 1998-'99 Elite 8 season), I hope we continue to play several games a season there. I also enjoy playing a few conference games there during the season as well. CA can be a tough place for opposition, as others have stated, when we're playing well and it's basically a packed house.
Should we stop playing all men’s games at CA?
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I believe we may be dubbed NY's team, although Syracuse really claimed that first, but the real identity of St. John's is NYC's team. In my opinion that HAS to be a part of the identity. Realistically this is the only big time college basketball team in NYC, and it's a huge marketing advantage. Heck, that's the reason my dad casually watched the team many years ago and why I even became a fan. Because of the affiliation to NYC.Knight post=436443 said:
While I do think playing a game or two a year in UBS Arena makes sense, I really think we need to keep CA for the true home court advantage, MSG for the recruiting advantage, and even Barclays because you know kids love playing in NBA arenas.
Going by Google Maps, I'm not even sure it's possible to get to UBS Arena without a car. I live in Manhattan, and it looks like to get there I'd have to take two subway trains, two buses, and some walking in between.IDRAFT post=436457 said:
Does anyone know otherwise?
I have asked this before and reconfess my ignorance from my home in Florida (having sold my summer residence near Rhinebeck, I am New Yorkless).
If as I had heard they put a dome on the Louis Armstrong Stadium at Flushing Meadows, is it not closer to campus with both subway and LIRR access than UBS? Does the LI fan base get to travel against traffic via GCP or LIE to get there? Does it have parking up the nose? Does it sit idle for almost the whole year and any revenue generated would be viewed as a windfall, perhaps lowering the price? Does it have great sight lines and with a max capacity of @14k could it not be tailored to STJ's basketball needs to make it feel like a pit to opposing teams? Just asking. Plotting to see games this coming year. My pathology is such that I already have literary fantasies about Carnesecca Court at Armstrong Arena being described in terms of St. John's winning streak at the Lou-Lou continues.
If as I had heard they put a dome on the Louis Armstrong Stadium at Flushing Meadows, is it not closer to campus with both subway and LIRR access than UBS? Does the LI fan base get to travel against traffic via GCP or LIE to get there? Does it have parking up the nose? Does it sit idle for almost the whole year and any revenue generated would be viewed as a windfall, perhaps lowering the price? Does it have great sight lines and with a max capacity of @14k could it not be tailored to STJ's basketball needs to make it feel like a pit to opposing teams? Just asking. Plotting to see games this coming year. My pathology is such that I already have literary fantasies about Carnesecca Court at Armstrong Arena being described in terms of St. John's winning streak at the Lou-Lou continues.
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I'm thinking they will also open the existing seasonal racetrack platform on game days if the Elmont platform isn't ready. (I haven't seen a time line for it.) Can also uber/lyft/cab it from any of the stations over there. Floral Park and Bellrose would both be short rides.Room112 post=436469 said:
I think it is good to still have games at CA, if for no other reason than to generate some excitement on campus for students. I like the mix of games at MSG and CA; my wife prefers to go with me to games at CA, and I often make plans with others for MSG games.
I like the idea of a few games a year at Barclays and/or UBS too, particularly if MSG has a conflict; I often wondered why the team never played at the Nassau Coliseum for a game or 2?
For an expansion of CA, it always seemed to me they could expand on the side(s). With Taffner now on one side, would it be that difficult to expand on the other side where the ticket office is?
I like the idea of a few games a year at Barclays and/or UBS too, particularly if MSG has a conflict; I often wondered why the team never played at the Nassau Coliseum for a game or 2?
For an expansion of CA, it always seemed to me they could expand on the side(s). With Taffner now on one side, would it be that difficult to expand on the other side where the ticket office is?
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in addition all roads(trains subways) lead to MSG and don't underestimate the number of non alumni fans who live in the city and NJ who come to MSG. All it will take to fill the Garden again is wining and putting a good product on the floor. With this coach and staff we are about to do that. NYC is our identity and always will be if we are to continue to be a big time program.
jackfro post=436475 said:
Spot on. I am a non-alumni, NJ resident. As a kid in the 80's I was a college basketball junkie and for obvious reasons fell in love with the Johnnies. When it came to choosing a college, St. John's was not a fit for me but I have remained a rabid fan. I will travel anywhere to see the team but will never miss a game at MSG because of the easy commute. There are plenty of fans like myself (although more of the fair weather, bandwagon type). As you said, winning makes all the difference. The Garden will soon be filled again.
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A portion ( eight car lengths) of Eastbound platform will be ready and open in time for the opening of the Islanders 2021/22 hockey season. The Westbound platform and the full length of the Eastbound platform (both will be 12 cars long, that’s railroad cars) will open at a later date once the overpass and other work is completed. When completed, part of both platforms will extend over the Cross Island Parkway.L J S A post=436470 said:
Here is some information on it [URL]https://www.amodernli.com/project/elmont-station/[/URL]
I don’t know if it is closer to Campus than Belmont (both are relatively close) but it does have subway and LIRR access. Both Arthur Ashe and Louis Armstrong Stadium (located on the grounds of have retract do rent out the various venues on the grounds Billie Jean King USTA National Tennis Center) and can be rented out for events.fuchsia post=436467 said:
https://ntc.usta.com/venue-rentals
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Regarding Arthur Ashe. Commute is similar maybe a little closer than UBS. Parking would be more of an issue there than UBS IMHO. Plus does the school have to pay for the basketball upgrades??? Does the USTA want to get into the business of arenas ? Hosting concerts, boxing, MMa or other indoor sports ???
One major advantage MSG has over most other arenas is that fans in NYC can get there for a token. This is a big difference when compared to a twenty dollar round trip LIRR fare which just about eliminates attracting a young audience to the new arena.
A different but related issue is what MSG did back in the mid fifties and early sixties when they had problems drawing fans to Knick and Ranger games. They sold tickets at about twenty five per cent of the normal cost to high school students. Attending SJU games at either MSG or CA and looking up at thousands of empty seats makes me wonder if SJU has ever considered a similar policy.
A different but related issue is what MSG did back in the mid fifties and early sixties when they had problems drawing fans to Knick and Ranger games. They sold tickets at about twenty five per cent of the normal cost to high school students. Attending SJU games at either MSG or CA and looking up at thousands of empty seats makes me wonder if SJU has ever considered a similar policy.
19854ever post=436483 said:
They rent out the venue.
In looking online just now, they will be hosting a pro wrestling event their in Sept.
[URL]https://www.ntc.usta.com/venue-rentals[/URL]
www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/ny-aew-dynamite-arthur-ashe-new-york-20210616-4kxu3ns2urhxdmthz52xjks2oy-story.html%3foutputType=amp
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For the first time in decades StJohn's now has a President that understands the importance of the mens basketball team, an experienced head coach, and an experienced Athletic Director.
I am confident that President Shanley, AD Cragg , and Coach Anderson will determine the best balance between occupancy costs (no, MSG is not free, and UBC won't be either), home court advantage, and fan convenience between Carnesecca, UBS, and MSG to achieve the best result..
I am confident that President Shanley, AD Cragg , and Coach Anderson will determine the best balance between occupancy costs (no, MSG is not free, and UBC won't be either), home court advantage, and fan convenience between Carnesecca, UBS, and MSG to achieve the best result..
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Actually years ago when I first started attending games (the early to mid 2000's), if you showed a valid student ID at St. Johns games at MSG, you could get a student priced ticket for $15. It didn't matter what school level or even what school. I used to always show my UConn ID. You never knew there they'd seat you, it was usually poor seats, but that definitely was a policy. Not sure how well it was advertised.Enright post=436484 said:
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the one thing in finance is you have to take emotion out of every decision. beyond hard but if you look at just numbers the decision is easy and I focking hate the arena but you have to play there so Olv72 gets his storm burger and cumadin
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Remember the 1960's using a "GO" card to get into the Garden for 50 cents for not only Knicks/Rangers but also college Basketball, s.aw some great Holiday Tournaments and NIT's including 1965 Lapchick last game/win. You even got triple headers.Enright post=436484 said:
One advantage of CA--FREE parking; paid $25 to park at Nassau for Islanders (ditto at Citifield) and sure UBS won't be cheaper. Also tickets for games at UBS will be more expensive than CA.