Should SJU apply to the ACC ?

Even though they are putting a nice spin on it, I think the Big East is in trouble. The basketball schools should settle this right now. Don't wait. Don't try to save the Big East by bringing in TCU and hoping Kansas comes in next year. Get the non football schools and a few others together and make a basketball conference. There is a report just out that Nova wants to go to the ACC.

The new Bi East should be St. John's, Villanova, Notre Dame (football team stays indepedent), Georgetown, Seton Hall, Providence, Marquette, DePaul, St. Joe's, Temple. Make it a NY, Philly, Chicago, Boston rivalry. We'd still have the best basketball conference and save a couple of rivalries. 10 teams are enough.
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Boston?
Forget about them.
D. C. is bigger and better.
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 Get GW in the mix too
 
Even though they are putting a nice spin on it, I think the Big East is in trouble. The basketball schools should settle this right now. Don't wait. Don't try to save the Big East by bringing in TCU and hoping Kansas comes in next year. Get the non football schools and a few others together and make a basketball conference. There is a report just out that Nova wants to go to the ACC.

The new Bi East should be St. John's, Villanova, Notre Dame (football team stays indepedent), Georgetown, Seton Hall, Providence, Marquette, DePaul, St. Joe's, Temple. Make it a NY, Philly, Chicago, Boston rivalry. We'd still have the best basketball conference and save a couple of rivalries. 10 teams are enough.
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Boston?
Forget about them.
D. C. is bigger and better.
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 Get GW in the mix too
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GW? They offer a big zero; we'd already have Georgetown in the DC market (provided they're not looking to go elsewhere as well). Xavier, Butler and UMass would be far more attractive: St. John's, Georgetown, Villanova (if they can face reality), Notre Dame, Seton Hall, Providence, Marquette, DePaul + Xavier, Butler, UMass, and maybe St. Joe's (or if Nova protests, Dayton). It's not the equal of the ACC (which I think would be wise to reach out to us), but at least we'd have our roots established in the Big East and we wouldn't have our destiny dictated by football schools who'd always be looking to go elsewhere. 
 
If we go basketball only it should be..

UMass
Providence
St. Johns
Seton Hall
Villanova
Georgetown
Temple
Marquette
Notre Dame
Xavier

10 good strong, basketball teams, with history, decent sized arenas and fan bases and MEDIA MARKETS.

As for the ACC trying to take over MSG...The Dolans are only in it for the money right? Where do they make it more? a 16 team conference tournament every 4 or so years? Or 15 regular season St. Johns games and a 10-12 team conference tournament every year? Do the match...we still present the most viable option!

If we decide to do the Big 12 merger stuff then Throw Kansas, K State, Iowa State and whoever else wants in there to the west division. Maybe we should think about cutting a few non football schools like Seton Hall, Providence, and DePaul to cut some of the "fat"?

Like was mentioned earlier though, 5 years down the road don't you think everyones going to look back and think "God, why'd we do this?"
 
Maybe we should think about cutting a few non football schools like Seton Hall, Providence, and DePaul to cut some of the "fat"?
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Before last year, we were the "fat" for a decade. I don't particularly like Seton Hall, and rarely like Providence, but I think cutting them would be pretty shitty. DePaul was once a pretty damn good program. They could make a comeback in a 12-team conference.
 
Maybe we should think about cutting a few non football schools like Seton Hall, Providence, and DePaul to cut some of the "fat"?
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Before last year, we were the "fat" for a decade. I don't particularly like Seton Hall, and rarely like Providence, but I think cutting them would be pretty shitty. DePaul was once a pretty damn good program. They could make a comeback in a 12-team conference.
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DePaul should definitely be included. Chicago is a huge media market and it's also a fertile source of talent. As for their being down for a few years, I don't think we're in a position to have a superior attitude about that, or have you forgotten the 2000's?. With the right person at the helm, DePaul could turn things fairly quickly. And to round things out to 12 (assuming 'Nova doesn't get delusional about its football program), I'd like to add Butler. Joining a conference like this would definitely help sustain the success they've been enjoying.
 
Maybe we should think about cutting a few non football schools like Seton Hall, Providence, and DePaul to cut some of the "fat"?
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Before last year, we were the "fat" for a decade. I don't particularly like Seton Hall, and rarely like Providence, but I think cutting them would be pretty shitty. DePaul was once a pretty damn good program. They could make a comeback in a 12-team conference.
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DePaul should definitely be included. Chicago is a huge media market and it's also a fertile source of talent. As for their being down for a few years, I don't think we're in a position to have a superior attitude about that, or have you forgotten the 2000's?. With the right person at the helm, DePaul could turn things fairly quickly. And to round things out to 12 (assuming 'Nova doesn't get delusional about its football program), I'd like to add Butler. Joining a conference like this would definitely help sustain the success they've been enjoying.
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Your absolutly right about DePaul. Just like that they could be a powerhouse. A few years ago the media said SJU was done .
Many of you are too young to remember the old UCONN basketball team. SJU was the powerhouse in the league and they played UCONN in alumni hall. Thats how pathetic UCONN was.
If the Big East stays together and brings in a few quality teams and Lavin continues his magic, SJU will replace Syracuse .
 
To expand on my thoughts, I think the bball schools are kidding themselves if they stay in a watered down BE with Big 12 leftovers. Now is the time to form a new league.  
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Agreed. Really hope we stop trying to dance with the football schools.
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this is a very dangerous path for us.

We (as a group) get one shot at getting this right. If we get it wrong, our programs are dead.

When all the dust settles you'll have 4 football conferences with 16 or even 18 teams in each.

There will be 8-12 football schools on the outside looking in. Entering into a conference with those of them that have big basketball programs should be our #1 option. Once the dust has settled there will be virtually no chance of those cast off football programs blowing up the new league the way the BE was destroyed. there just won't be anywhere for them to go.

Going with a small, catholic school conference could be a disaster. Such a small/weak conference could give MSG another reason to pursue the ACC tournament. If we are a small conference and we lose MSG we are toast.

We won't be able to attract and retain elite coaches or talent.

But a national hoops league that includes SJU, Gtown, Nova, ND, Kansas, K. St., BYU, Gonzaga, Marquette, Xavier...etc would be able to compete for TV dollars and recruits with the ACC.
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Agree with everything u posted... SJU either goes "BIG" or we all go home.
 
 I think the notion of us reverting to our past by creating a Vatican 10, or anything else you want to call it, will no longer work in the marketplace. Oh once in a while a good hoops game pitting two winning teams will be exciting to watch. I think there are enough teams on the football side that when added to our football teams and adding some outstanding b-ball schools would be the way to go. I think the secret to making this bigger league work is to make sure we do not allow any verbage in the contracts to allow the football schools to lead the whole ball of wax. That could be done by making the exit fee high enough that no member would even entertain the thought, We must go big or St. John's will regret it forever. We get one chance to get this right. We need a vocal leader right now. I think St. John's could be that voice.
 
I think that the basketball only schools should get together and run from the football schools as soon as possible and head off the inevitiable. I think that schools like St. Johns and Goergetown should lead the charge. Get the 16 best basketball schools in the country together and create a basketball super conference. They'll be in enough big markets and it will be a national conference so they'll get a good TV deal. The quality of play and the viewership will be there. They could market the conference to recruits as "we do basketball". They can tell recruits, you can go to a football school and be second fiddle or you come and play in our baskeball only league and be top dog. The conference tournament could be held at the Garden and the whole thing could be very high profile. All the Big East basketball schools with Xavier, Butler, Gonzaga, George Mason, VCU, Dayton, Umass even St. Louis with a guy with a personality like Majerus. it would be a great league. Then if the big super conferences split with the NCAA the conference could cut a deal with them to be part of their basketball championship only. to me that's the best deal. 
 
Maybe we should think about cutting a few non football schools like Seton Hall, Providence, and DePaul to cut some of the "fat"?
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Before last year, we were the "fat" for a decade. I don't particularly like Seton Hall, and rarely like Providence, but I think cutting them would be pretty shitty. DePaul was once a pretty damn good program. They could make a comeback in a 12-team conference.
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DePaul should definitely be included. Chicago is a huge media market and it's also a fertile source of talent. As for their being down for a few years, I don't think we're in a position to have a superior attitude about that, or have you forgotten the 2000's?. With the right person at the helm, DePaul could turn things fairly quickly. And to round things out to 12 (assuming 'Nova doesn't get delusional about its football program), I'd like to add Butler. Joining a conference like this would definitely help sustain the success they've been enjoying.
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Your absolutly right about DePaul. Just like that they could be a powerhouse. A few years ago the media said SJU was done .
Many of you are too young to remember the old UCONN basketball team. SJU was the powerhouse in the league and they played UCONN in alumni hall. Thats how pathetic UCONN was.
If the Big East stays together and brings in a few quality teams and Lavin continues his magic, SJU will replace Syracuse .
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 "Many of you are too young to remember the old UCONN basketball team. SJU was the powerhouse in the league and they played UCONN in alumni hall. Thats how pathetic UCONN was." => Perno, Bruce Kozlowski, Larry Blucher - Larry was 3rd team All-(NY)State for my squad... :)
 
I remember the old UCONN team. They had Karl Hobbs and Vernon Giscomb at the guards both about 5'10 - 5'11. The they had Mike Mckay and Corney Thompson at the forwards and at center they had a Kentucky transfer named Chuck Aleksinas. That was back in like 1978 - 79. 
 
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