Should SJU apply to the ACC ?

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I hate the ACC for raiding our conference and taking Syracuse and Pitt. They'll probably take UConn and maybe Villanova And Loiusville and West Virginia and Rutgers will leave too.
If all those teams leave and the BE doesn't merge with the Big 12 , we'll have a weak BE.
I hate the ACC but I don't want SJU in a weak league. We had mediocre teams for years and finally got back on track last year. Recruits will shy away from a weak BE and we'll be mediocre again. You wonder if Kyle Anderson picked UCLA because he thought the Big East conference was on the brink. ?
I hate the ACC for destroying a great basketball conference ( where was the Stinkin NCAA when you need them ? ) , but what can you do ?
How embarrasing to SJU and the Big East if the ACC has their conference tournament at MSG ? Syracuses President called the Orange NYC's ACC team !!!!!!!! Syracuse is 300 miles from NYC . And UConn will think the same way and Rutgers too.
 
 did we get a football team I'm not aware of? No? Then no shot of us being in the acc.

Zags tweeted the basketball only be schools had a confernece call today.
 
 did we get a football team I'm not aware of? No? Then no shot of us being in the acc.

Zags tweeted the basketball only be schools had a confernece call today.
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Its not beyond the realm of possibility that the ACC could add a couple of hoops only teams.

I wouldn't impact how they split their football revenue and it would strengthen their hoops dominance.

What they've put together is the 4th best (out of 4) football conference in the country but the top hoops conference.
 
 did we get a football team I'm not aware of? No? Then no shot of us being in the acc.

Zags tweeted the basketball only be schools had a confernece call today.
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Its not beyond the realm of possibility that the ACC could add a couple of hoops only teams.

I wouldn't impact how they split their football revenue and it would strengthen their hoops dominance.

What they've put together is the 4th best (out of 4) football conference in the country but the top hoops conference.
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 that being the case, I would add Nova and SJU over Pukon and Rutgers, simply because SJ's would give ultimate NYC stronghold, and Nove Philly. To heck with Pukon and Rutger's nubby football programs. That's why Edsall went to the Terps!
 
I think we are exactly where we are supposed to be. I do however think we should move quickly to have the Big East announce our plans for the future of the league and move in a decisive manner to get it done. I personally have always thought football and basketball were incompatable with each other. If we merge with schools that have both, everytime there is a disagreement among the league, football will call the shots. The basketball teams go along even if distateful. So we will then have more of the same as we are dealing with now in the Big East.
Absolutely NO ACC thoughts. Can you imagine our status in that league. We have to be a very vocal member of the teams that have similar goals as we do and let's get this done. Our future in athletics swing in the balance. 
 
Andy Katz did a chat yesterday. He said ACC will not be taking any schools that don't play football. Also he said, ACC will not wait for Villanova football to be upgraded.  
 
 did we get a football team I'm not aware of? No? Then no shot of us being in the acc.

Zags tweeted the basketball only be schools had a confernece call today.
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Its not beyond the realm of possibility that the ACC could add a couple of hoops only teams.

I wouldn't impact how they split their football revenue and it would strengthen their hoops dominance.

What they've put together is the 4th best (out of 4) football conference in the country but the top hoops conference.
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 that being the case, I would add Nova and SJU over Pukon and Rutgers, simply because SJ's would give ultimate NYC stronghold, and Nove Philly. To heck with Pukon and Rutger's nubby football programs. That's why Edsall went to the Terps!
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Nova has a football team so yu can't include us with them.

If I were the ACC I'd add Uconn and Nova for football and SJU and G'town for hoops only.

You'd have two 8 team football divisions and two 9 team hoops divisions.
 
If the Big East merges with the Big 12, things will be good. Kansas and Kansas State ( both top 25 teams last year ) and Missouri, Baylor and Iowa State would be good additions.
If that report that the ACC won't wait for Villanov'a football program to be upgraded is true, thats great news.
Villanova, Georgetown, SJU, Kansas, Kansas State, Notre Dame, Providence, Seton Hall, Cincinati, Marquete , Depaul, Baylor, Missouri and Iowa State would make a nice conference. And you never know who might step up and be a powerhouse like Syracuse or UCONN. 20 years ago UCONN was a nothing team. I remember St. John's use to play UCONN in Alumni hall and one time I saw SJU beat them with a score like 100 -50. Those Big 12 teams will benefit playing in the NE, they'll attract local talent.
Lets face it, Syracuse was always a national power, but they only won 1 National Championship in all those years with Boeheim. The Only real loss is UCONN, they'll be hard to replace. Rutgers , who cares what they do. They'll be even more mediocre in the ACC because why would a recruit choose to play in Piscataway instead of Raleigh Durham ??? They had their best chance in the Big East and now they wanna leave. Good riddance. 
 
As gman posted, not happening. This is all about football and the unbelievable revenue it generates. It is going to culminate in the eventual breakaway of the super conferences from the NCAA unless they decide that having the NCAA as a front shill helps them financially and politically and they don't want to share that football money with any outsiders anymore. The college presidents are in the money making business, just like any other corporation. The bball only schools better hop to it, organize and negotiate a TV contract pronto or get lost in the flood.  
 
To expand on my thoughts, I think the bball schools are kidding themselves if they stay in a watered down BE with Big 12 leftovers. Now is the time to form a new league.  
 
To expand on my thoughts, I think the bball schools are kidding themselves if they stay in a watered down BE with Big 12 leftovers. Now is the time to form a new league.  
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Agreed. Really hope we stop trying to dance with the football schools.
 
To expand on my thoughts, I think the bball schools are kidding themselves if they stay in a watered down BE with Big 12 leftovers. Now is the time to form a new league.  
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Agreed. Really hope we stop trying to dance with the football schools.
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Since football conferences are going to become an independent business unto themselves, either breaking away from the NCAA or using it to keep up the sham of the "student-athlete" (with apologies to the relatively small number of legitimate student-athletes) there is no future in being led around by football schools any longer. College bball will stand alone, so the bball schools will do much better in navigating those waters solely with their own interests in mind.
 
As gman posted, not happening. This is all about football and the unbelievable revenue it generates. It is going to culminate in the eventual breakaway of the super conferences from the NCAA unless they decide that having the NCAA as a front shill helps them financially and politically and they don't want to share that football money with any outsiders anymore. The college presidents are in the money making business, just like any other corporation. The bball only schools better hop to it, organize and negotiate a TV contract pronto or get lost in the flood.  
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College basketball is dead if the 4 football conferences secede from the NCAA.
 
If they let St. John's in, they'd force the Big East out of NYC. Syracuse will never be NYC's team no matter what Syracuse fans say. When they win, they celebrate in Syracuse, not NYC. If SJU won, the city would give them a parade down Broadway.
If NYC becomes ACC territory, more people will watch ACC football. Add Rutgers, UCONN plus St. John's and Syracuse and you got a huge TV audience that might start watching ACC football. St. John's doesn't have a football team, but if they go into the ACC they'll increase the ACC's television audience. 
Have you seen ACC football games on TV recently ? None of the local TV stations has ACC football games.Imagine if all the local teams were ACC and there was an ACC channel ? How much does SNY pay the Big East for basketball ?
 
Say the bball schools were to leave today....
Do we pay an exit fee?
Do we own the Big East name?

Or do the bball schools have to wait until all the fball schools leave to retain the Big East name and not be penalized?
 
College basketball is dead if the 4 football conferences secede from the NCAA.
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The 4 super conferences would never be able to hold a rival to the NCAA tourney - at least one that people will watch.

The thing that makes the NCAA worth watching to the non-diehards are the upsets. That's the beauty of the tournament. And if you eliminate the small conference schools, you eliminate the casual fan.
 
Kansas, KSU, Baylor, Iowa State, Missouri, Louisville, South Florida, Cincinnati, TCU, West Virginia, Memphis, and Houston need to have a nice little chat to see if getting together for a long-term relationship would benefit everyone. Unfortunately, half those teams would be looking to cheat on their new spouse almost immediately after saying "I do."

Those teams would mean quality basketball, and in football a chance for the top team to be in the national championship chatter every seven years or so.
 
To expand on my thoughts, I think the bball schools are kidding themselves if they stay in a watered down BE with Big 12 leftovers. Now is the time to form a new league.  
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Agreed. Really hope we stop trying to dance with the football schools.
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this is a very dangerous path for us.

We (as a group) get one shot at getting this right. If we get it wrong, our programs are dead.

When all the dust settles you'll have 4 football conferences with 16 or even 18 teams in each.

There will be 8-12 football schools on the outside looking in. Entering into a conference with those of them that have big basketball programs should be our #1 option. Once the dust has settled there will be virtually no chance of those cast off football programs blowing up the new league the way the BE was destroyed. there just won't be anywhere for them to go.

Going with a small, catholic school conference could be a disaster. Such a small/weak conference could give MSG another reason to pursue the ACC tournament. If we are a small conference and we lose MSG we are toast.

We won't be able to attract and retain elite coaches or talent.

But a national hoops league that includes SJU, Gtown, Nova, ND, Kansas, K. St., BYU, Gonzaga, Marquette, Xavier...etc would be able to compete for TV dollars and recruits with the ACC.
 
College basketball is dead if the 4 football conferences secede from the NCAA.
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The 4 super conferences would never be able to hold a rival to the NCAA tourney - at least one that people will watch.

The thing that makes the NCAA worth watching to the non-diehards are the upsets. That's the beauty of the tournament. And if you eliminate the small conference schools, you eliminate the casual fan.
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That's why college hoops would be dead.

If the football teams take all the money and leave the NCAA...the NCAA isn't about to let their teams participate in the NCAA hoops tournament. Those 60-70 teams will be OUT.

Take 70 of the top 100 programs out of the NCAA tournament and you have no tournament.

If the 4 football conferences secede from the NCAA then March Madness is over.
 
this is a very dangerous path for us.

We (as a group) get one shot at getting this right. If we get it wrong, our programs are dead.

When all the dust settles you'll have 4 football conferences with 16 or even 18 teams in each.

There will be 8-12 football schools on the outside looking in. Entering into a conference with those of them that have big basketball programs should be our #1 option. Once the dust has settled there will be virtually no chance of those cast off football programs blowing up the new league the way the BE was destroyed. there just won't be anywhere for them to go.

Going with a small, catholic school conference could be a disaster. Such a small/weak conference could give MSG another reason to pursue the ACC tournament. If we are a small conference and we lose MSG we are toast.

We won't be able to attract and retain elite coaches or talent.

But a national hoops league that includes SJU, Gtown, Nova, ND, Kansas, K. St., BYU, Gonzaga, Marquette, Xavier...etc would be able to compete for TV dollars and recruits with the ACC.
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Sorry, but if we've learned anything from the last few days (if not decades), it's that a hybrid conference is just not sustainable. The football schools will be looking to move at the first chance and we'll be in the same place we're in now.

Desperate times call for audacious moves.

-Form a bball-only league.
-Get Tranghese as commissioner.
-Make offers to Xavier and Dayton/Butler.
-Immediately seek a national television deal (if not ESPN, then the NBC start-up).
-Immediately sign a deal with MSG (No way Tobacco Road is going to allow the ACC tourney to be held at MSG)
 
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