SHAMORI PONDS DRAFT PROJECTION & SIMON ???

[quote="Paultzman" post=346993][quote="Room112" post=346991]I don't know how close he was to graduating, but based on Shamorie's Instagram it appears he left the school after the season ended to prepare for the draft.[/quote]
The norm most often it seems.[/quote]

Well it did seem like Simon has still been on campus
 
[quote="Room112" post=347015]Well it did seem like Simon has still been on campus[/quote]

Leaving as a junior is one thing, but leaving a couple weeks before graduation would be pretty dumb.
 
[quote="L J S A" post=347022][quote="Room112" post=347015]Well it did seem like Simon has still been on campus[/quote]

Leaving as a junior is one thing, but leaving a couple weeks before graduation would be pretty dumb.[/quote]

I totally get that. But many of these kids these days graduate in 3 years because they remain on campus year round and take summer classes. Just look at how many grad transfers there are each year. I'm not sure where Shamorie stands.
 
[quote="Room112" post=347033]Just look at how many grad transfers there are each year.[/quote]

I think most of those guys redshirted a year.
 
[quote="Joe Donnelly" post=346943]He’s a junior with a YEAR of eligibility left. Hence he did leave early. If he stays in college and is coached by an actual basketball coach who’s system fits him perfectly he is sure to raise his profile among NBA scouts. And if he really wants to play in Europe, which I highly doubt, he is sure to raise his price over there as well. What don’t u get?[/quote]

Joe, what I don’t get is how a fan / poster who doesn’t know the young man brands him insane for making a decision. Simon has spent four years in college and he and his family decided it was time to move on. He’s been very close to a few very knowledgeable people with NBA backgrounds. Good luck to him. He was a warrior here and gave us all he had every game.
 
[quote="Room112" post=347033][quote="L J S A" post=347022][quote="Room112" post=347015]Well it did seem like Simon has still been on campus[/quote]

Leaving as a junior is one thing, but leaving a couple weeks before graduation would be pretty dumb.[/quote]

I totally get that. But many of these kids these days graduate in 3 years because they remain on campus year round and take summer classes. Just look at how many grad transfers there are each year. I'm not sure where Shamorie stands.[/quote]

Hope they finish the semester for their sake and team..., otherwise I'd guess it would negatively impact out APR rating which hurts us down the line.
 
It would be nice if Shamorie could be spelled right in the subject.
 
While I totally get the concept of making money somewhere playing basketball, it's too bad what is left out of the decision or at least minimized is the dollar value of the year in college.

In one year Simon as a grad student could go a long way towards completing an MBA at zero cost to him. Let's put that value at $55000, although at many schools that number would be $70,000 plus. Ponds would have post playing years career opportunities jump immeasurably by having a degree.

I dont know what the average career length is bangingvaroubd the world but along the way the $100k or so wont go very far in supporting a wife and kids.

For an extended period I dealt with Kevin Mawae's wife. Kevin was at the tail end of a stellar NFL career, yet was working on a post grad degree at Hofstra. He was already looking forward to the next chapter of his life, was making think $5 million per season, yet was paying tuition out of pocket because he knew it would help him.

Unfortunately college kids are surrounded by handlers who undervalue education because many of them don't have one.

We all live by our choices and ponds and Simon are more than free to make theirs. Should be vcd with our blessing because they ate living their lives as they see fit.

Felipe stayed in school largely because a degree was immensely important to his family. It was part of attaining the American dream for a family of immigrants. It probably helped him land the NBA job he has today.

Rysheed Jordan quit school essentially the day he decided his next stop would be the NBA. Imagine how simply going to class and being allowed to change his mind altered his life instead of how it unfolded.

So many of our alums have had great post basketball careers. I thing John farmer became a lawyer and CEO, Frank Gilroy's successful on wall street. Diakite a pharmacy grad. Mckoy a hs principal, Carter a high school vice principal.

School.isn't for everyone but simply getting your degree changes your life
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=347064]While I totally get the concept of making money somewhere playing basketball, it's too bad what is left out of the decision or at least minimized is the dollar value of the year in college.

In one year Simon as a grad student could go a long way towards completing an MBA at zero cost to him. Let's put that value at $55000, although at many schools that number would be $70,000 plus. Ponds would have post playing years career opportunities jump immeasurably by having a degree.

I dont know what the average career length is bangingvaroubd the world but along the way the $100k or so wont go very far in supporting a wife and kids.

For an extended period I dealt with Kevin Mawae's wife. Kevin was at the tail end of a stellar NFL career, yet was working on a post grad degree at Hofstra. He was already looking forward to the next chapter of his life, was making think $5 million per season, yet was paying tuition out of pocket because he knew it would help him.

Unfortunately college kids are surrounded by handlers who undervalue education because many of them don't have one.

We all live by our choices and ponds and Simon are more than free to make theirs. Should be vcd with our blessing because they ate living their lives as they see fit.

Felipe stayed in school largely because a degree was immensely important to his family. It was part of attaining the American dream for a family of immigrants. It probably helped him land the NBA job he has today.

Rysheed Jordan quit school essentially the day he decided his next stop would be the NBA. Imagine how simply going to class and being allowed to change his mind altered his life instead of how it unfolded.

So many of our alums have had great post basketball careers. I thing John farmer became a lawyer and CEO, Frank Gilroy's successful on wall street. Diakite a pharmacy grad. Mckoy a hs principal, Carter a high school vice principal.

School.isn't for everyone but simply getting your degree changes your life[/quote]

Beast, very well put. The only thing I'll add is I've heard of players coming back to finish their degree once their playing career is over. From what I understand, the school allows them to complete it at no cost. Maybe one day they will take advantage.
 
[quote="Room112" post=347160][quote="Beast of the East" post=347064]While I totally get the concept of making money somewhere playing basketball, it's too bad what is left out of the decision or at least minimized is the dollar value of the year in college.

In one year Simon as a grad student could go a long way towards completing an MBA at zero cost to him. Let's put that value at $55000, although at many schools that number would be $70,000 plus. Ponds would have post playing years career opportunities jump immeasurably by having a degree.

I dont know what the average career length is bangingvaroubd the world but along the way the $100k or so wont go very far in supporting a wife and kids.

For an extended period I dealt with Kevin Mawae's wife. Kevin was at the tail end of a stellar NFL career, yet was working on a post grad degree at Hofstra. He was already looking forward to the next chapter of his life, was making think $5 million per season, yet was paying tuition out of pocket because he knew it would help him.

Unfortunately college kids are surrounded by handlers who undervalue education because many of them don't have one.

We all live by our choices and ponds and Simon are more than free to make theirs. Should be vcd with our blessing because they ate living their lives as they see fit.

Felipe stayed in school largely because a degree was immensely important to his family. It was part of attaining the American dream for a family of immigrants. It probably helped him land the NBA job he has today.

Rysheed Jordan quit school essentially the day he decided his next stop would be the NBA. Imagine how simply going to class and being allowed to change his mind altered his life instead of how it unfolded.

So many of our alums have had great post basketball careers. I thing John farmer became a lawyer and CEO, Frank Gilroy's successful on wall street. Diakite a pharmacy grad. Mckoy a hs principal, Carter a high school vice principal.

School.isn't for everyone but simply getting your degree changes your life[/quote]

Beast, very well put. The only thing I'll add is I've heard of players coming back to finish their degree once their playing career is over. From what I understand, the school allows them to complete it at no cost. Maybe one day they will take advantage.[/quote]

I'm going to check if that's the case when I get the chance. If so, it's very generous of the school to go above and beyond what they are required to do. Even to be on the coaching staff at a high school or college often requires a college degree.

To that extent I don't really dive a damn about the values of these kids to our basketball team. It's what's in their long term best interest, and while I fully support their ability to make their own decisions as they see fit, just think the long view would favor sticking around and getting a degree.

Back in the day, Curtis Redding took a Kansas St. team to the Final Four (I believe as a freshman). He was so popular someone wrote him in as Student body president and he almost won. Sophomore jinx got him, and he was run out of town, where he ended up at SJU. We were thrilled to get a talent like that, but he played just as badly for us, eventually replaced in the starting lineup by Gilroy I believe. The story goes that Redding was so pissed, he openly started rooting for an opponent on the day he was benched. Left school shortly after. I remember him being spotted a couple of years later without a degree, working as a security guard in a store. Basketball isn't forever. A degree is.
 
I understand Beast's point and in a perfect world it's all good.

My thoughts on this are there are two kinds of guys who join college basketball teams. Guys who were going to go to college, basketball or not, and guys who are only in college to play basketball.

The first group of guys who were going to go to college are likely to continue their education in some manner early entry or not.

The second group will have some guys go early entry, s and some guys who play it out four years. SOme will leave with a degree or return to get one and some won't. But all the guys who get a degree, sooner or later, are gravy for society.

It's nice to think that everyone should go to college and everyone who does should get a degree but I just am happy that a game I love to watch also helps some guys get an education they might not otherwise have received.

Remember, the national 6 year grad rate is only 59%. I don't expect guys who go to school just to play ball to exceed that figure.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=347175][quote="Room112" post=347160][quote="Beast of the East" post=347064]While I totally get the concept of making money somewhere playing basketball, it's too bad what is left out of the decision or at least minimized is the dollar value of the year in college.

In one year Simon as a grad student could go a long way towards completing an MBA at zero cost to him. Let's put that value at $55000, although at many schools that number would be $70,000 plus. Ponds would have post playing years career opportunities jump immeasurably by having a degree.

I dont know what the average career length is bangingvaroubd the world but along the way the $100k or so wont go very far in supporting a wife and kids.

For an extended period I dealt with Kevin Mawae's wife. Kevin was at the tail end of a stellar NFL career, yet was working on a post grad degree at Hofstra. He was already looking forward to the next chapter of his life, was making think $5 million per season, yet was paying tuition out of pocket because he knew it would help him.

Unfortunately college kids are surrounded by handlers who undervalue education because many of them don't have one.

We all live by our choices and ponds and Simon are more than free to make theirs. Should be vcd with our blessing because they ate living their lives as they see fit.

Felipe stayed in school largely because a degree was immensely important to his family. It was part of attaining the American dream for a family of immigrants. It probably helped him land the NBA job he has today.

Rysheed Jordan quit school essentially the day he decided his next stop would be the NBA. Imagine how simply going to class and being allowed to change his mind altered his life instead of how it unfolded.

So many of our alums have had great post basketball careers. I thing John farmer became a lawyer and CEO, Frank Gilroy's successful on wall street. Diakite a pharmacy grad. Mckoy a hs principal, Carter a high school vice principal.

School.isn't for everyone but simply getting your degree changes your life[/quote]

Beast, very well put. The only thing I'll add is I've heard of players coming back to finish their degree once their playing career is over. From what I understand, the school allows them to complete it at no cost. Maybe one day they will take advantage.[/quote]

I'm going to check if that's the case when I get the chance. If so, it's very generous of the school to go above and beyond what they are required to do. Even to be on the coaching staff at a high school or college often requires a college degree.

To that extent I don't really dive a damn about the values of these kids to our basketball team. It's what's in their long term best interest, and while I fully support their ability to make their own decisions as they see fit, just think the long view would favor sticking around and getting a degree.

Back in the day, Curtis Redding took a Kansas St. team to the Final Four (I believe as a freshman). He was so popular someone wrote him in as Student body president and he almost won. Sophomore jinx got him, and he was run out of town, where he ended up at SJU. We were thrilled to get a talent like that, but he played just as badly for us, eventually replaced in the starting lineup by Gilroy I believe. The story goes that Redding was so pissed, he openly started rooting for an opponent on the day he was benched. Left school shortly after. I remember him being spotted a couple of years later without a degree, working as a security guard in a store. Basketball isn't forever. A degree is.[/quote]

The only thing in favor of not sticking around and potentially finishing after their career, this is one of their prime earning years they'd be missing out on.
 
I'm gonna go against popular opinion here and say that I think Shamorie projects as a top 4 PG in this guard-weak draft. I also think that he will get a chance to carve out a nice career ala Patty Mills. A bench player who gets respect around the league. The one thing Mullin is capable of is getting the ears of NBA management, who probably respects him, and doesn't give a damn about his coaching abilities. That alone should at least get Slick an assist in his career.
 
[quote="Its*Over*Johnny" post=347194]I'm gonna go against popular opinion here and say that I think Shamorie projects as a top 4 PG in this guard-weak draft. I also think that he will get a chance to carve out a nice career ala Patty Mills. A bench player who gets respect around the league. The one thing Mullin is capable of is getting the ears of NBA management, who probably respects him, and doesn't give a damn about his coaching abilities. That alone should at least get Slick an assist in his career.[/quote]

I'm not sure that Mullin believes Ponds is an NBA player. I've heard the opposite, but that was before this season
 
[quote="austour" post=347181]I understand Beast's point and in a perfect world it's all good.

My thoughts on this are there are two kinds of guys who join college basketball teams. Guys who were going to go to college, basketball or not, and guys who are only in college to play basketball.

The first group of guys who were going to go to college are likely to continue their education in some manner early entry or not.

The second group will have some guys go early entry, s and some guys who play it out four years. SOme will leave with a degree or return to get one and some won't. But all the guys who get a degree, sooner or later, are gravy for society.

It's nice to think that everyone should go to college and everyone who does should get a degree but I just am happy that a game I love to watch also helps some guys get an education they might not otherwise have received.

Remember, the national 6 year grad rate is only 59%. I don't expect guys who go to school just to play ball to exceed that figure.[/quote]

Agree. To your point, Felipe said in the q&a that followed the ESPN event was that overwhelmingly top players have no interest in getting their degree and are thinking they are just looking for the fastest way to the nba.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=347175][quote="Room112" post=347160][quote="Beast of the East" post=347064]While I totally get the concept of making money somewhere playing basketball, it's too bad what is left out of the decision or at least minimized is the dollar value of the year in college.

In one year Simon as a grad student could go a long way towards completing an MBA at zero cost to him. Let's put that value at $55000, although at many schools that number would be $70,000 plus. Ponds would have post playing years career opportunities jump immeasurably by having a degree.

I dont know what the average career length is bangingvaroubd the world but along the way the $100k or so wont go very far in supporting a wife and kids.

For an extended period I dealt with Kevin Mawae's wife. Kevin was at the tail end of a stellar NFL career, yet was working on a post grad degree at Hofstra. He was already looking forward to the next chapter of his life, was making think $5 million per season, yet was paying tuition out of pocket because he knew it would help him.

Unfortunately college kids are surrounded by handlers who undervalue education because many of them don't have one.

We all live by our choices and ponds and Simon are more than free to make theirs. Should be vcd with our blessing because they ate living their lives as they see fit.

Felipe stayed in school largely because a degree was immensely important to his family. It was part of attaining the American dream for a family of immigrants. It probably helped him land the NBA job he has today.

Rysheed Jordan quit school essentially the day he decided his next stop would be the NBA. Imagine how simply going to class and being allowed to change his mind altered his life instead of how it unfolded.

So many of our alums have had great post basketball careers. I thing John farmer became a lawyer and CEO, Frank Gilroy's successful on wall street. Diakite a pharmacy grad. Mckoy a hs principal, Carter a high school vice principal.

School.isn't for everyone but simply getting your degree changes your life[/quote]

Beast, very well put. The only thing I'll add is I've heard of players coming back to finish their degree once their playing career is over. From what I understand, the school allows them to complete it at no cost. Maybe one day they will take advantage.[/quote]

I'm going to check if that's the case when I get the chance. If so, it's very generous of the school to go above and beyond what they are required to do. Even to be on the coaching staff at a high school or college often requires a college degree.

To that extent I don't really dive a damn about the values of these kids to our basketball team. It's what's in their long term best interest, and while I fully support their ability to make their own decisions as they see fit, just think the long view would favor sticking around and getting a degree.

Back in the day, Curtis Redding took a Kansas St. team to the Final Four (I believe as a freshman). He was so popular someone wrote him in as Student body president and he almost won. Sophomore jinx got him, and he was run out of town, where he ended up at SJU. We were thrilled to get a talent like that, but he played just as badly for us, eventually replaced in the starting lineup by Gilroy I believe. The story goes that Redding was so pissed, he openly started rooting for an opponent on the day he was benched. Left school shortly after. I remember him being spotted a couple of years later without a degree, working as a security guard in a store. Basketball isn't forever. A degree is.[/quote]

True about him sitting on the bench rooting for the other team only it was Goodwin who replaced him joining a starting five of Mckoy, Gilroy, Russell and Washington (who had taken over for Garrison).
 
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I'll be rooting for him but IMO Ponds is too short, too slight and too inaccurate a three point shooter to make today's NBA.
 
[quote="Enright" post=347300]I'll be rooting for him but IMO Ponds is too short, too slight and too inaccurate a three point shooter to make today's NBA.[/quote]

But, another year here was not going to change those things (except maybe slightly better three point shooting), so I totally, 100% understood his decision to leave.
 
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