That seems very probable for many schools
Season Ticket Holders Changes 2025-26
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Schools are allowed to opt into revenue sharing or opt out of it. Sounds like we haven't made a decision yet. But yeah, schools will be paying players directly next year.
Redenbacher
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That is a HUGE sea change. I haven't been up to speed on the latest developments.
@WinterSportsLaw is good resource on Twitter for evolution of NIL $ payment
Boo Harvey
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Below is the email I just sent to Father Shanley with a copy to the athletic department. I entitled it "Betrayed Season Ticket Holder and Fan."
Dear Father Shanley,
My name is Will Reiss. By way of background, my Grandfather, Mom and her three siblings all attended SJU. While I didn't attend SJU myself, I have been a diehard fan for 40 years (since I was eight-years-old).
When people ask me why I'm such a big fan given that I didn't attend the school, I tell them it's because my love of the university is in my blood passed down from two generations. I was raised to be a SJU fan, and watching and attending games has provided countless bonding moments with my Dan and Uncle (like me, my Dad did not attend SJU but he is a diehard fan).
I am as passionate a SJU fan as they come and I bleed red and white despite never having attended the university. For instance, I proudly display a large SJU flag in front of my home, much to my wife's chagrin. My Uncle, Dad and I text incessantly about the program and anybody who knows me even casually knows my passion for the program. For better or for worse, being a Red Storm fan has become a large part of my identity as a person.
Despite living in NJ, it had always been my dream to be a season ticket holder. For well over a decade I have held season tickets (two seats) for all games. For the prior two decades, I purchased various plans and individual seats. As I'm sure you'll agree, the product was frequently poor and the fan base was apathetic to put it nicely. Nonetheless, I remained steadfast and loyal, purchasing season tickets year in and year out at significant expense. No matter how bad the team, how apathetic the fan base and how empty the arena, I never missed a game, traveling two hours each way from my home in NJ (bus to train to bus). During the COVID year, I purchased season tickets even though I didn't feel comfortable attending the games in-person just so I could maintain my season tickets. Those tickets mean the world to me.
As you can imagine, I felt a sense of shock and betrayal after receiving the recent correspondence suggesting that I may lose my seats based on the University's "reallocation initiative." I get it that this is a business and that money is critical, particularly in the NIL era. But this is no way to treat your loyal fans. Surely there are ways to encourage donations and raise money without penalizing the program's most loyal supporters.
And respectfully, I found the correspondence to be in particularly bad taste given that, with a few minor exceptions, this year is the first real hint of prosperity we've had in nearly 30 years. Yet, for fans like myself who have remained loyal (in both wallet and spirit), the school is threatening to take away or diminish our seats at the first sign of progress.
I strongly urge you to reconsider your policy, which I think is not only a slight to your most loyal fan base, but will likely result in minimal if any financial gain. To the contrary, I suspect many will share my reaction which may well result in a backlash against the program.
I also request that you please forward this email to Mr. Kull. While I don't think it's productive for me to engage in threats or ultimatums, particularly over something that means so much to me, I can't imagine how I could remain a fan, no less a season ticket holder, if the University follows through on its threat to take away or diminish my season tickets in the coming years.
-Will
Dear Father Shanley,
My name is Will Reiss. By way of background, my Grandfather, Mom and her three siblings all attended SJU. While I didn't attend SJU myself, I have been a diehard fan for 40 years (since I was eight-years-old).
When people ask me why I'm such a big fan given that I didn't attend the school, I tell them it's because my love of the university is in my blood passed down from two generations. I was raised to be a SJU fan, and watching and attending games has provided countless bonding moments with my Dan and Uncle (like me, my Dad did not attend SJU but he is a diehard fan).
I am as passionate a SJU fan as they come and I bleed red and white despite never having attended the university. For instance, I proudly display a large SJU flag in front of my home, much to my wife's chagrin. My Uncle, Dad and I text incessantly about the program and anybody who knows me even casually knows my passion for the program. For better or for worse, being a Red Storm fan has become a large part of my identity as a person.
Despite living in NJ, it had always been my dream to be a season ticket holder. For well over a decade I have held season tickets (two seats) for all games. For the prior two decades, I purchased various plans and individual seats. As I'm sure you'll agree, the product was frequently poor and the fan base was apathetic to put it nicely. Nonetheless, I remained steadfast and loyal, purchasing season tickets year in and year out at significant expense. No matter how bad the team, how apathetic the fan base and how empty the arena, I never missed a game, traveling two hours each way from my home in NJ (bus to train to bus). During the COVID year, I purchased season tickets even though I didn't feel comfortable attending the games in-person just so I could maintain my season tickets. Those tickets mean the world to me.
As you can imagine, I felt a sense of shock and betrayal after receiving the recent correspondence suggesting that I may lose my seats based on the University's "reallocation initiative." I get it that this is a business and that money is critical, particularly in the NIL era. But this is no way to treat your loyal fans. Surely there are ways to encourage donations and raise money without penalizing the program's most loyal supporters.
And respectfully, I found the correspondence to be in particularly bad taste given that, with a few minor exceptions, this year is the first real hint of prosperity we've had in nearly 30 years. Yet, for fans like myself who have remained loyal (in both wallet and spirit), the school is threatening to take away or diminish our seats at the first sign of progress.
I strongly urge you to reconsider your policy, which I think is not only a slight to your most loyal fan base, but will likely result in minimal if any financial gain. To the contrary, I suspect many will share my reaction which may well result in a backlash against the program.
I also request that you please forward this email to Mr. Kull. While I don't think it's productive for me to engage in threats or ultimatums, particularly over something that means so much to me, I can't imagine how I could remain a fan, no less a season ticket holder, if the University follows through on its threat to take away or diminish my season tickets in the coming years.
-Will
Boo Harvey
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Below is an email I just sent to Father Shanley and the Athletic Department.
Dear Father Shanley,
My name is Will Reiss. By way of background, my Grandfather, Mom and her three siblings all attended SJU. While I didn't attend SJU myself, I have been a diehard fan for 40 years (since I was eight-years-old).
When people ask me why I'm such a big fan given that I didn't attend the school, I tell them it's because my love of the university is in my blood passed down from two generations. I was raised to be a SJU fan, and watching and attending games has provided countless bonding moments with my Dan and Uncle (like me, my Dad did not attend SJU but he is a diehard fan).
I am as passionate a SJU fan as they come and I bleed red and white despite never having attended the university. For instance, I proudly display a large SJU flag in front of my home, much to my wife's chagrin. My Uncle, Dad and I text incessantly about the program and anybody who knows me even casually knows my passion for the program. For better or for worse, being a Red Storm fan has become a large part of my identity as a person.
Despite living in NJ, it had always been my dream to be a season ticket holder. For well over a decade I have held season tickets (two seats) for all games. For the prior two decades, I purchased various plans and individual seats. As I'm sure you'll agree, the product was frequently poor and the fan base was apathetic to put it nicely. Nonetheless, I remained steadfast and loyal, purchasing season tickets year in and year out at significant expense. No matter how bad the team, how apathetic the fan base and how empty the arena, I never missed a game, traveling two hours each way from my home in NJ (bus to train to bus). During the COVID year, I purchased season tickets even though I didn't feel comfortable attending the games in-person just so I could maintain my season tickets. Those tickets mean the world to me.
As you can imagine, I felt a sense of shock and betrayal after receiving the recent correspondence suggesting that I may lose my seats based on the University's "reallocation initiative." I get it that this is a business and that money is critical, particularly in the NIL era. But this is no way to treat your loyal fans. Surely there are ways to encourage donations and raise money without penalizing the program's most loyal supporters.
And respectfully, I found the correspondence to be in particularly bad taste given that, with a few minor exceptions, this year is the first real hint of prosperity we've had in nearly 30 years. Yet, for fans like myself who have remained loyal (in both wallet and spirit), the school is threatening to take away or diminish our seats at the first sign of progress.
I strongly urge you to reconsider your policy, which I think is not only a slight to your most loyal fan base, but will likely result in minimal if any financial gain. To the contrary, I suspect many will share my reaction which may well result in a backlash against the program.
I also request that you please forward this email to Mr. Kull. While I don't think it's productive for me to engage in threats or ultimatums, particularly over something that means so much to me, I can't imagine how I could remain a fan, no less a season ticket holder, if the University follows through on its threat to take away or diminish my season tickets in the coming years.
-Will
Dear Father Shanley,
My name is Will Reiss. By way of background, my Grandfather, Mom and her three siblings all attended SJU. While I didn't attend SJU myself, I have been a diehard fan for 40 years (since I was eight-years-old).
When people ask me why I'm such a big fan given that I didn't attend the school, I tell them it's because my love of the university is in my blood passed down from two generations. I was raised to be a SJU fan, and watching and attending games has provided countless bonding moments with my Dan and Uncle (like me, my Dad did not attend SJU but he is a diehard fan).
I am as passionate a SJU fan as they come and I bleed red and white despite never having attended the university. For instance, I proudly display a large SJU flag in front of my home, much to my wife's chagrin. My Uncle, Dad and I text incessantly about the program and anybody who knows me even casually knows my passion for the program. For better or for worse, being a Red Storm fan has become a large part of my identity as a person.
Despite living in NJ, it had always been my dream to be a season ticket holder. For well over a decade I have held season tickets (two seats) for all games. For the prior two decades, I purchased various plans and individual seats. As I'm sure you'll agree, the product was frequently poor and the fan base was apathetic to put it nicely. Nonetheless, I remained steadfast and loyal, purchasing season tickets year in and year out at significant expense. No matter how bad the team, how apathetic the fan base and how empty the arena, I never missed a game, traveling two hours each way from my home in NJ (bus to train to bus). During the COVID year, I purchased season tickets even though I didn't feel comfortable attending the games in-person just so I could maintain my season tickets. Those tickets mean the world to me.
As you can imagine, I felt a sense of shock and betrayal after receiving the recent correspondence suggesting that I may lose my seats based on the University's "reallocation initiative." I get it that this is a business and that money is critical, particularly in the NIL era. But this is no way to treat your loyal fans. Surely there are ways to encourage donations and raise money without penalizing the program's most loyal supporters.
And respectfully, I found the correspondence to be in particularly bad taste given that, with a few minor exceptions, this year is the first real hint of prosperity we've had in nearly 30 years. Yet, for fans like myself who have remained loyal (in both wallet and spirit), the school is threatening to take away or diminish our seats at the first sign of progress.
I strongly urge you to reconsider your policy, which I think is not only a slight to your most loyal fan base, but will likely result in minimal if any financial gain. To the contrary, I suspect many will share my reaction which may well result in a backlash against the program.
I also request that you please forward this email to Mr. Kull. While I don't think it's productive for me to engage in threats or ultimatums, particularly over something that means so much to me, I can't imagine how I could remain a fan, no less a season ticket holder, if the University follows through on its threat to take away or diminish my season tickets in the coming years.
-Will
“I would think that total years as season ticket holder may be fairer but a lot of long ago season ticket holders recently resurfaced while other sat through the lean years as long as Moses was in the desert.”
I would hope that is a consideration as I dropped them one year but have been a holder of season tickets for almost 39 years total.
Moose
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Can't help but yawn. This is the new world. I will hold back saying what my plans are until I see it flesh out but sure it might be goodbye season tickets or it might be a different vantage point.
I get striking while the iron is hot. Just hope the iron stays hot. I think last time they tried this we quickly went into the tank and the points system I could have counted on my two hands.
I get striking while the iron is hot. Just hope the iron stays hot. I think last time they tried this we quickly went into the tank and the points system I could have counted on my two hands.
The value of 114 decreases exponentially if the old cantankerous bunch are forced to move.
Your case and service makes sense to me.
I sent a similar letter, to the Administrators in place at the time, the last time around. Having been a season ticket holder for 35 years, I did not even get a response. That was it for me, although I have continued to attend games by purchasing tickets on the resale market. I hope your letter receives a positive response.
fan since 65
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Unfortunately now, the landscape of college sports is now more dependent on money, money, money. As a private school we need to rely on donations to fund athletics. The SJU alumni have been notorious in their lack of donations throughout the years not just to athletics, but overall. The criteria that are being used tries to take into account longevity as a season ticket holder as well as longevity of donations. NIL donations are also now being taken into account as well. People have always complained about SJU being a "mom and pop" operation but Ed Kull is trying to address that by increasing donations; we can't really on just a few deep pocketed individuals. I think SJU, compared to other BE schools, is on the lower end of the spectrum in terms of what they require from season ticket holders. I understand that it's a hardship for some; I've been a season ticket holder since the early 70s (and I highly doubt that they have records that far back so I'll just show them my stubs 
) and a Red/White member for decades and I'm concerned about my seats.
I know it's a state school and it's football, but (The) Ohio State University was rumored to have spent $20 million in NIL to buy their championship. $20 million!
I have other thoughts about the situation but I'll keep them to myself since I don't want to get blasted here.
) and a Red/White member for decades and I'm concerned about my seats.I know it's a state school and it's football, but (The) Ohio State University was rumored to have spent $20 million in NIL to buy their championship. $20 million!
I have other thoughts about the situation but I'll keep them to myself since I don't want to get blasted here.
The takeaway is this is professional sports. How you consume it is up to you. The University like any Owner is going to pass the cost of doing business to the consumers.Anyone watching Ohio St.win the championship heard the message that this was the “best” $20m they ever spent. So if you think you will keep your seat if someone can pay more for it, FORGET it.
Great post!Unfortunately now, the landscape of college sports is now more dependent on money, money, money. As a private school we need to rely on donations to fund athletics. The SJU alumni have been notorious in their lack of donations throughout the years not just to athletics, but overall. The criteria that are being used tries to take into account longevity as a season ticket holder as well as longevity of donations. NIL donations are also now being taken into account as well. People have always complained about SJU being a "mom and pop" operation but Ed Kull is trying to address that by increasing donations; we can't really on just a few deep pocketed individuals. I think SJU, compared to other BE schools, is on the lower end of the spectrum in terms of what they require from season ticket holders. I understand that it's a hardship for some; I've been a season ticket holder since the early 70s (and I highly doubt that they have records that far back so I'll just show them my stubs
I know it's a state school and it's football, but (The) Ohio State University was rumored to have spent $20 million in NIL to buy their championship. $20 million!
I have other thoughts about the situation but I'll keep them to myself since I don't want to get blasted here.
I do think they have those records though. The university didn't have their own computer until 1980. Prior to that did time sharing (today we'd call it hosted or cloud) with a company called Rapidata and a second whose name I don't recall.
I also think its fair to include NIL donations and non-athletic university donations, both of whivh were not considered before.
fan since 65
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From what I recall the last time they did reseating, my vague recollection was that the clock started around 1980, but I could be wrong.