Rick Pitino - Head Coach at St John’s University!!!

CaliRedfan said:
If this is necessarily true for St. John’s, then it’s even more true for the conf as a whole and the entire BE demise is imminent.

I don’t agree with this prediction btw. I predict BE and St. John’s, will be just fine.

However in retrospect, was a mistake to ditch football decades ago. Should have gone UConn route and become more ambitious in that area. I think it would have worked out better for us than it has for them actually.
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I hope you are right of course. And yes, in my case I wouldn't be buying stock in the Big East if it was available. I wouldn't even want ACC stock, but I also don't care about them either.
 
SJU61982 said:
Rick's teams have rarely been a great 3-point percentage team (1996 Kentucky was, though). He was just so ahead of the curve re: the three-point shot, that because his team took so many more than their opponents, they got more points out of it.

The "bomb squad" Knicks of 88-89 were only 7th out of 25 in 3 point percentage, but they were first in makes and attempts. The percentages that year, of the guys on that famous poster, were:

Trent Tucker - 39.9 percent (he's really the only guy of the five that I would consider to be a "shooter")
Johnny Newman - 33.8 percent
Mark Jackson- 33.8 percent (slightly less than Newman when you extend it out)
Rod Strikland - 32.2 percent (only 59 attempts, though)
Gerald Wilkins - 29.9 percent

Those are not great percentages (except for Tucker). They did however, attempt 423 more 3's than Sacramento, and made 79 more than the Kings (who finished second in the NBA in both categories).

So, the days of Pitino being a "great 3 point shooting coach" (if he ever was one) are probably over, since the differential in the number of 3's his team shot, compared to his opponents (even going back to his Kentucky days), are not likely to happen ever again.

Now, do you want the good news? His 2013 National Championship Louisville team (the NCAA can refuse to recognize it all they want too), was 214th in the country in 3 point percentage. They were also sub-200 in three pointers made and attempted per game (their championship run though, meant they played more games, and were top 100 in total). When they beat Duke by 22 in the Elite Eight, they did so despite shooting 2-16 from 3 point range.

Also, his 2015 team, which fell in overtime in the Elite Eight, was 311th in 3 point percentage (out of 351). They were sub-200 in attempts per game, and were 258th in free throw percentage (mostly because Montrezl Harrell had the most attempts, and he was just under 60 percent - all the other main foul shooters were good).

So, Rick has shown the ability to be successful without using the three point shot as a weapon.
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that's a great post and some great research by you
 
Didn't Devon smith do the exact same thing (dunk w seconds left) against Delaware that CRP scorched Wilcher for? CRP said Devon had earned the right to do that. I think Wilcher has about one the best good team mate attitudes on the team.
 
hnkcolumbia said:
Didn't Devon smith do the exact same thing (dunk w seconds left) against Delaware that CRP scorched Wilcher for? CRP said Devon had earned the right to do that. I think Wilcher has about one the best good team mate attitudes on the team.
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Believe that was with close to a minute or more left and no opportunity to dribble out the clock.
 
Knight said:
Wilcher gets a pass on the dunking episode because it was not characteristic of his play. Consider it part of his maturing. No repeats.
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Are you kidding me? If this situation was reversed and we were playing UConn at Storrs and UConn was ahead by 10 points with 15 seconds to go and we conceded the game and pulled back our defense and the UConn guard who we thought was dribbling out the clock ran down to attempt a windmill dunk to rub it in our faces, we/you would be screaming bloody murder and you'd be calling for Hurley's head.

Don't hold Wilcher accountable for an unsportsman like act because it's part of his maturing process? Unbelievable.
 
CBA69 said:
Are you kidding me? If this situation was reversed and we were playing UConn at Storrs and UConn was ahead by 10 points with 15 seconds to go and we conceded the game and pulled back our defense and the UConn guard who we thought was dribbling out the clock ran down to attempt a windmill dunk to rub it in our faces, we/you would be screaming bloody murder and you'd be calling for Hurley's head.

Don't hold Wilcher accountable for an unsportsman like act because it's part of his maturing process? Unbelievable.
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I agree- we would be livid and demeaning the act of that player...

Would i think that opposing player should face "discipline"... like sitting out a half... ehh... i dont think so. Would be one of those- "you ever do that again, you won't play" type warnings
 
bucketshardy said:
I agree- we would be livid and demeaning the act of that player...

Would i think that opposing player should face "discipline"... like sitting out a half... ehh... i dont think so. Would be one of those- "you ever do that again, you won't play" type warnings
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Okay, I'm sure Pitino delivered the message.
 
Knight said:
Wilcher gets a pass on the dunking episode because it was not characteristic of his play. Consider it part of his maturing. No repeats.
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I would agree you don't blow it up out of proportion, but it's also ridiculous behavior that if not publicly dealt with puts a black mark on our program. It's just a distraction we don't need or thrive on. I think of all the crap John Thompson permitted at Georgetown while he fostered this us vs. The world mentality as feared villains.

Honestly, Wilcher seems like a good kid, but it's a punk move, and if I were an opposing player would deal out payback at first opportunity.


Rick did the right thing. Deal with it publicly, apologize to Butler, and deal with Wilch privately.

Then move on.
 
About twenty years ago, a Marquette (Tom Crean was the coach) point guard (maybe Dominic James) pulled a similar stunt against us in a game we were down by about 20. The difference is he made the unnecessary and flamboyant dunk as the buzzer sounded. The team and this Board was livid.
 
IMO, Wilcher should never have attempted the dunk but I never understood getting upset over those kind of things. To me, the only thing that mattered was we lost the game and my only feeling about the act was I couldn’t care less, outside of it was obviously unnecessary but harmless. I’m embarrassed for losing, period end of story.
Very out of character for Wilcher, whom I know a bit, as well as his family, but something he has to deal with. But personally, I would have found and find the idea that my or any coach needed to apologize publicly to the “offended party” absolutely comical.
 
logen said:
IMO, Wilcher should never have attempted the dunk but I never understood getting upset over those kind of things. To me, the only thing that mattered was we lost the game and my only feeling about the act was I couldn’t care less, outside of it was obviously unnecessary but harmless. I’m embarrassed for losing, period end of story.
Very out of character for Wilcher, whom I know a bit, as well as his family, but something he has to deal with. But personally, I would have found and find the idea that my or any coach needed to apologize publicly to the “offended party” absolutely comical.
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We won the game.
 
Beasts of the East said:
I would agree you don't blow it up out of proportion, but it's also ridiculous behavior that if not publicly dealt with puts a black mark on our program. It's just a distraction we don't need or thrive on. I think of all the crap John Thompson permitted at Georgetown while he fostered this us vs. The world mentality as feared villains.

Honestly, Wilcher seems like a good kid, but it's a punk move, and if I were an opposing player would deal out payback at first opportunity.


Rick did the right thing. Deal with it publicly, apologize to Butler, and deal with Wilch privately.

Then move on.
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If an opposing player did that to the 80's 90's Knicks, an Anthony Mason or Charles Oakley would remeber it for when Wilcher plays them a second time and he'd be plastered.
 
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