Thanks, I forgot the entire PAC 12! I am a year ahead I suppose.
Rick Pitino - Head Coach at St John’s University!!!
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I’m not asking you to do more work, but I’d be curious what the NET for new coaches looked like pre-portal transfers. Because, while it shouldn’t be labeled as easy, your data does show a lot of the coaches actually making significant strides with new coaches — something that seems harder to do if you’re limited to jucos and high school seniors.
I suspect improvement is definitely easier but also is still incremental. Going from bad to the tournament is still rare. I think the year-over-year conference records show how hard it is to go from bad to even .500 in a year.
Cooley and Stoudamire have large NET improvements but those teams are still very bad.
Wrong W/L for Rick.
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All great points. Especially concerned about "The Pitino Factor" you mentioned.
Didn't really like Rick's "it's not going to happen this year" comment. Was he trying some "reverse psychology" to motivate the team? Was he trying to prepare the fan base for the NIT? Has he given up on the tournament for this year?
Any or all of the above are not what I expected from him.
No it’s not.
Left is ‘23 BE record, Right is current BE record
MugCostanza
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This added to his "It's difficult to build a culture because everybody leaves" doesn't really inspire confidence going forward
When you hire Rick Pitino you get Rick Pitino. He says all kinds of stuff and always has. I don’t know how much of what he says even he believes. And at 71 I don’t expect him to change.
That’s not to say some of his comments are not worthy of criticism, especially on a message board. Or that I always approve. Personally I just smile, or cringe, or whatever depending on the day. But it’s all part of the “Pitino Experience” which I enjoy overall.
That’s not to say some of his comments are not worthy of criticism, especially on a message board. Or that I always approve. Personally I just smile, or cringe, or whatever depending on the day. But it’s all part of the “Pitino Experience” which I enjoy overall.
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I don’t think that is what Pitino said. The quote was in reference to playing defense.
This explains why Mrs IDRAFT is smiling every time I see her. She doesn’t have to put up with a tortured miserable SOB like the rest of our wives. Happy Wife Happy Life
Fans have always been critical of the coaches who gave us the "coach speak" press conferences every season. We had coaches who wanted to leave the press conference the minute they started. This transparency is what sports writers and many of us wanted to hear from our coaches.
Exactly, he made it clear that he was not saying that we would not make the tournament.
I'm skeptical, just like I was of Proud Alum, Dopey Alum and all the other guys who show up periodically and temporarily and call them selves "____ alum", or a variation on that. Now, if someone can vouch for this guy I'll admit I was wrong.
Maddog?
It is difficult to converse with you because you jump to massive conclusions. I am not “on Pitino.”
I think he’s the greatest coach of my lifetime. I say repeatedly that I have full faith in him and expect to be good next year.
It’s exhausting to not be able to discuss anyone with any sort of nuance. He made mistakes…he is the first to admit it. He has a brilliant track record of learning and adapting.
I think the early Jenkins domination fatally damaged this team. We have two players who will go one on one all game long without a second thought and then 11 guys who overthink every single shot. The PGs main job is to get everyone involved and make them better.
We can’t complain in February that we don’t have a balanced team. That is not only a natural consequence of your leading shot-taker also dominating the dribbling, it is the expected outcome.
This is who we are now and there isn’t enough time for any material changes.
1+1 doesn’t always equal 2 in basketball. For good back courts that gel and have chemistry it is more than 2 and for backcourts like our’s, it’s less than 2.
I would like to clarify the narrative that CRP brought in who he wanted after he got rid of the majority of the team, as that is just false.
He brought in the players he could. Granted he started late and was clearly at a disadvantage. He also did not have a staff from day 1 and lacked the manpower to identify annd get in touch with the kids he would like to bring in. All he had was Van who was working his tail off. But perhaps he should have considered those factors prior to getting rid of the majority of the team. He put himself in the position of having to recruit over 10 players.
As for Posh, here is a kid who gave it all for 3 years and was screwed over his third year with the Curbalho circus, and was a defensive leader, something we are currently crying for. His intensity on D is clearly missed.
If he blew off a workout to go to AC with his girlfriend it was a poor choice. But lord knows I did far far worse than that at age 21 and would hate for it to be public info the mistakes I made at age 21.
If Wusu beat up a team manager please note that there have been other SJU players that have done worse but were given the opportunity by Louie to redeem themselves. In time they did and all parties greatly benefitted. The player learned to control his anger and became an outstanding player and SJU greatly benefitted from his ability.
Having said that I believe CRP is super smart and will figure this new landscape out. We should have a good returning core with RJ, Taylor, the 2 freshman, Zuby, Drissa, the 2 kids from Iona who are sitting out, and the three signed freshmen. We will be much less dependant on the portal and hopefully will not have to settle this spring on who we can get.
He brought in the players he could. Granted he started late and was clearly at a disadvantage. He also did not have a staff from day 1 and lacked the manpower to identify annd get in touch with the kids he would like to bring in. All he had was Van who was working his tail off. But perhaps he should have considered those factors prior to getting rid of the majority of the team. He put himself in the position of having to recruit over 10 players.
As for Posh, here is a kid who gave it all for 3 years and was screwed over his third year with the Curbalho circus, and was a defensive leader, something we are currently crying for. His intensity on D is clearly missed.
If he blew off a workout to go to AC with his girlfriend it was a poor choice. But lord knows I did far far worse than that at age 21 and would hate for it to be public info the mistakes I made at age 21.
If Wusu beat up a team manager please note that there have been other SJU players that have done worse but were given the opportunity by Louie to redeem themselves. In time they did and all parties greatly benefitted. The player learned to control his anger and became an outstanding player and SJU greatly benefitted from his ability.
Having said that I believe CRP is super smart and will figure this new landscape out. We should have a good returning core with RJ, Taylor, the 2 freshman, Zuby, Drissa, the 2 kids from Iona who are sitting out, and the three signed freshmen. We will be much less dependant on the portal and hopefully will not have to settle this spring on who we can get.
Well said RMN