I think the way he hyped Soriano up did him a major disservice. He’s a BE starting caliber big. But being captain and talked about as a program cornerstone, and future pro added a lot of pressure and expectations that have clearly gotten to him in BE play.
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Soriano is slow and he doesn’t stay focused. When things do not go his way he acts mental. He has admitted it too.
Maybe play hard and grind when things are tough. He just doesn’t have it in him it seems
Teams are targeting him on defense and he is refusing to make adjustments.
We saw signs of a meaningful tech happening for awhile now. He's too old to think it'll happen with more maturity. He's older than four guys on the Knicks roster and has played competitive D1 basketball for five years.
Joel certainly has spiraled of late, but to me in oft noted “college hoops is a guards game” our guard cadre w one exception has performed miserably at both ends of court for some time. The lack of that group improving over time is palpable.
What else do you expect a guy who was only an SJU FAN between 1985-1989??
You are forgetting the role that Fr Shanley , Mike Cragg and Van Macon played in jettisoning some of those players .
Maybe CMA had lost his fast ball in Coaching but , that Team’s players openly and publicly disrespected his role as the Coach .
We don’t know all the Wusu details but , those we do know were grounds for expulsion .,
It’s on the record that both , Posh and Storr were offered the chance to return . They choose not to. Not Pitino .
Jones ? Who can forget the consensus of this Board last season that he was a hopeless ball hogging chukker with no regard for passing the ball . And , that has been substantiated at Memphis where he shot the ball 24 times , with his next highest teammate shot it 7 times .
No one doubts Jones talent but , you can’t build a Team with a player who will shoot the ball , regardless with what his Coach tells him .
That becomes insubordination at some point and destroys Team unity .
The only thing that there is a lot of responsibility to deal out is that Ledlum - Dingle were impact players . They are ok but , not anywhere near impact .
We were counting on them to be big contributors . Dingle had 8 points yesterday . And , isn’t a good defender . If he’s not scoring , he’s not contributing . We expected 15-18 points a game from him . Hasn’t happened .
The biggest problem with this team that RP wanted is that Clayton jr isn’t here . It wound have made a big difference . He and Jenkins together would hsve been tough to handle for any opponent .
I'm assuming those are the years he attended St. John's.What else do you expect a guy who was only an SJU FAN between 1985-1989??
Seriously tho that username is dumb
Yea I know that’s the case Its just funny how it can also be read like an obituary
RIP SJU FAN (could only stomach it from 1985-1989) lol
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The portal players and the two high school recruits were all rated highly because of their offensive abilities with the exception of Zuby. Pitino puts a higher demand on defense than offense and this has created a mis match between players and coach.
Most of them have never been coached like this and while the two freshmen will adjust it is asking a lot from the five year grads.
Losing to Marquette was no disgrace but the season starts Tuesday. Win five of the remaining seven which is doable and one in the big east tournament and they will dance.
Most of them have never been coached like this and while the two freshmen will adjust it is asking a lot from the five year grads.
Losing to Marquette was no disgrace but the season starts Tuesday. Win five of the remaining seven which is doable and one in the big east tournament and they will dance.
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Maybe the recruiting Jury was All wrong on Dingle ? Playing at Penn , in the Ivy League isn’t playing in the BE .
He is not a quick or good Defender and he’s not the focus of this offense . That’s probably for a reason . Pitino has a quick hook for players making poor defensive plays and it’s hhs way .
He does it to almost everyone on the team , not just Dingle . Except Jenkins .
You don’t have to be a psychologist to see the Dingle- Pitino chemistry isn’t rosy . And , probably not the Dingle- Jenkins relationship either .
Maybe Dingle expected his role to be the key to the offense with , plays built for him ?
I may be wrong but, how many of this Board think Dingle has performed at the level expected ?
I doubt very many .
No , it’s not subtle . But , maybe it was done to motivate the player , Dingle ? It hasn’t worked. .
Maybe the recruiting Jury was All wrong on Dingle ? Playing at Penn , in the Ivy League isn’t playing in the BE .
He is not a quick or good Defender and he’s not the focus of this offense . That’s probably for a reason . Pitino has a quick hook for players making poor defensive plays and it’s hhs way .
He does it to almost everyone on the team , not just Dingle . Except Jenkins .
You don’t have to be a psychologist to see the Dingle- Pitino chemistry isn’t rosy . And , probably not the Dingle- Jenkins relationship either .
Maybe Dingle expected his role to be the key to the offense with , plays built for him ?
I may be wrong but, how many of this Board think Dingle has performed at the level expected ?
I doubt very many .
It’s not that he isn’t any good . It’s just he doesn’t fit the Pitino template .
Maybe that’s the problem…they should have been priorities instead of just being offered.
Pitino thought it would be easier than it turned out to be. Even some of the secondary players like King and Stanley are exactly what this team is missing.
The second game of the season Pitino called his PF depth “horrible.” Then why didn’t he bring in Yaxel or keep Stanley?!
I have faith in him for year 2, but he fumbled some things year 1 big time.
You have shifted gears here the last few games .
You got off Jenkins , since he’s our best player and jumped on Pitino .
Pitino didn’t jettison any players . Fr Shanley , Mike Cragg , Van Macon saw and reported on that Team’s players . Whatever they saw was enough to make a Coaching change and change the roster .
Posh and Storrr made their own decisions to leave .
I'm enjoying the season, having lived through last year. But I don't go into seasons with huge expectations, I just don't require it. I often say just give me a team not playing on Wednesday night during the Big East tournament and that's a solid year for me. Generally, for those NCAA tournament focused that will get you into that as well. For the most part since the Big East reformed that hasn't even happened. I'm not much at predicting the future but can read standings and a schedule and I am not convinced at this time based on results that this season will not ultimately provide that. The team is still solidly in play for that. In a month we will know. I get that others will not be happy unless SJU is much better than that. There is no right or wrong answer on what type of team a fan needs to enjoy the experience. It's personal and varies by person.
However, I've seen a narrative, not just here but everywhere, that with the portal and NIL quick turnarounds are normal. Tang comes up a lot. But I watch a lot of college basketball and that narrative seemed off to me. So, I did some quick research. Here is what I found.
There are 61 first year coaches this year. I'm retired and there was no way I was going to look into 61 coaches. I'm almost due for my nap. So, I cut it down to the 11 new coaches in the "Power 6." I looked at year over year conference record (yes, this year is ongoing) and year over year NET. These are the coaches.
Beard
Pitino
Cooley
Stoudamire
Autry
Shrewsbury
McCasland
English
Terry
Rhoades
Eilert
And I don't see anything in the data to show how it's "easy" in the NIL/portal era to move the needle a lot in year one.
Next two posts will be the data, I'm cutting this up as it's already long.
However, I've seen a narrative, not just here but everywhere, that with the portal and NIL quick turnarounds are normal. Tang comes up a lot. But I watch a lot of college basketball and that narrative seemed off to me. So, I did some quick research. Here is what I found.
There are 61 first year coaches this year. I'm retired and there was no way I was going to look into 61 coaches. I'm almost due for my nap. So, I cut it down to the 11 new coaches in the "Power 6." I looked at year over year conference record (yes, this year is ongoing) and year over year NET. These are the coaches.
Beard
Pitino
Cooley
Stoudamire
Autry
Shrewsbury
McCasland
English
Terry
Rhoades
Eilert
And I don't see anything in the data to show how it's "easy" in the NIL/portal era to move the needle a lot in year one.
Next two posts will be the data, I'm cutting this up as it's already long.
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| W | L | Pct. | W | L | Pct. | ||
| Beard - Ole Miss | 3 | 15 | 0.167 | 5 | 5 | 0.500 | |
| Pitino - St. Johns | 7 | 13 | 0.350 | 6 | 7 | 0.462 | |
| Georgetown - Cooley | 2 | 18 | 0.100 | 1 | 11 | 0.083 | |
| Stoudamire - GT | 6 | 14 | 0.300 | 3 | 10 | 0.231 | |
| Autry - Syracuse | 10 | 10 | 0.500 | 6 | 7 | 0.462 | |
| Shrewsbury - ND | 3 | 17 | 0.150 | 3 | 10 | 0.231 | |
| McCasland - Texas Tech | 5 | 13 | 0.278 | 6 | 4 | 0.600 | |
| English - Providence | 13 | 7 | 0.650 | 6 | 7 | 0.462 | |
| Terry - Texas | 12 | 6 | 0.667 | 5 | 6 | 0.455 | |
| Rhoades - Penn State | 10 | 10 | 0.500 | 6 | 6 | 0.500 | |
| Eilert - West Virginia | 7 | 11 | 0.389 | 3 | 7 | 0.300 |
| 2023 | 2024 | NET | |
| NET | NET | B(W) | |
| Beard - Ole Miss | 124 | 58 | 66 |
| Pitino - St. Johns | 98 | 45 | 53 |
| Georgetown - Cooley | 243 | 199 | 44 |
| Stoudamire - GT | 178 | 140 | 38 |
| Autry - Syracuse | 126 | 91 | 35 |
| Shrewsbury - ND | 186 | 157 | 29 |
| McCasland - Texas Tech | 64 | 37 | 27 |
| English - Providence | 55 | 57 | -2 |
| Terry - Texas | 7 | 33 | -26 |
| Rhoades - Penn State | 49 | 98 | -49 |
| Eilert - West Virginia | 24 | 154 | -130 |
Not high majors but two other guys that come to mind this year is:
South Florida: 160 NET last year (14-18), 103 NET this year (17-5). Coach: Amir Abdur-Rahm
Extra context on them: They've only had one winning season (in 2018-2019) since joining the AAC, which was in 2013-2014.
McNese: 339 NET last year (10-23), 68 NET this year (17-3). Coach: Will Wade
Extra content on them: They haven't had a winning season since 2010.
South Florida: 160 NET last year (14-18), 103 NET this year (17-5). Coach: Amir Abdur-Rahm
Extra context on them: They've only had one winning season (in 2018-2019) since joining the AAC, which was in 2013-2014.
McNese: 339 NET last year (10-23), 68 NET this year (17-3). Coach: Will Wade
Extra content on them: They haven't had a winning season since 2010.
These are excellent year-over-year, and if I looked at all 61 there might be others. Overall, my focus was on high majors, as I do think there are fundamental differences, and that is what SJU is. And of course, to cut the workload.