I think it’s hard to assume Wilcher would be better suited to play point than a 5th year guy in Dannis. He’s got plenty of guard skills but hard to say he’s any more of a pure point than Dannis, who’s assists and A:TO we’re top notch in college.
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He's got a very good handle, and in at least one summer highlight video, he was making plays for others.
MugCostanza
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Wilcher is obviously a very very good player and will be our highest rated recruit in a very long time. He's generally considered a top 30-40 prospect in the class. Taking a look at prospects 30-40 the past 2 years to see what year one expectations should be.
2022
30 - Seth Trimble (UNC) - 9.8 MPG, 1.8 PPG
31 - Terrance Arceneaux (Houston) - 13.9 MPG, 3.7 PPG
32 - Ernest Udeh Jr (Kansas) - 8.3 MPG, 2.6 PPG - Transferred
33 - Collin Chandler (BYU) - Mormon Mission
34 - Skyy Clark (Illinois) - 24.4 MPG, 7 PPG - Transferred in the middle of the season
35 - Tre White (USC) - 26.7 MPG , 9 PPG - Transferred
36 - Henry Veesaar (Arizona) - 7.1 MPG, 2.4 PPG
37 - MJ Rice (Kansas) - 7.5 PPG, 2.2 PPG - Transferred
38 - Malik Reneau (Indiana) - 14.9 MPG, 6.1 PPG
39 - Ugonna Onyenso (Kentucky) - 6.9 MPG, 2.5 PPG
40 - Tarris Reed (Michigan) - 12.6 MPG, 3.4 MPG
2021
30 - Tamar Bates (Indiana) - 14.5 MPG, 3.5 PPG - Transferred after Soph year
31 - Kowacie Reeves (Florida) - 15.5 MPG, 5.5 PPG - Transferred after Soph year
32 - Efton Reid (LSU) - 19.6 MPG, 6.3 PPG - Transferred after both FR and Soph years
33 - Charles Bediako (Alabama) - 17.8 MPG, 6.7 PPG
34 - Jalen Warley (Florida State) - 19.3 MPG, 3.7 PPG
35 - Malaki Branham (Ohio State) - 29.6 MPG, 13.7 PPG
36 - Jaylon Tyson (Texas) - 6.9 MPG, 1.8 PPG - Transferred after Soph year
37 - Manny Obaseki (Texas A&M) - 13.1 MPG, 3.6 MPG
38 - Langston Love (Baylor) - Redshirt
39 - Josh Minott (Memphis) - 14.6 MPG, 6.6 PPG
40 - Tyrese Hunter (Iowa State) - 31.9 MPG, 11 PPG
Of the 20 guys that played, only 4 played more than 20 MPG in their freshman seasons. Roughly half only get 15+ MPG.
Think Wilcher getting 12-15 MPG as a Freshman would be a reasonable expectation. Obviously hope he's closer to Branham and Hunter than a Seth Trimble or MJ Rice but nearly impossible to project
2022
30 - Seth Trimble (UNC) - 9.8 MPG, 1.8 PPG
31 - Terrance Arceneaux (Houston) - 13.9 MPG, 3.7 PPG
32 - Ernest Udeh Jr (Kansas) - 8.3 MPG, 2.6 PPG - Transferred
33 - Collin Chandler (BYU) - Mormon Mission
34 - Skyy Clark (Illinois) - 24.4 MPG, 7 PPG - Transferred in the middle of the season
35 - Tre White (USC) - 26.7 MPG , 9 PPG - Transferred
36 - Henry Veesaar (Arizona) - 7.1 MPG, 2.4 PPG
37 - MJ Rice (Kansas) - 7.5 PPG, 2.2 PPG - Transferred
38 - Malik Reneau (Indiana) - 14.9 MPG, 6.1 PPG
39 - Ugonna Onyenso (Kentucky) - 6.9 MPG, 2.5 PPG
40 - Tarris Reed (Michigan) - 12.6 MPG, 3.4 MPG
2021
30 - Tamar Bates (Indiana) - 14.5 MPG, 3.5 PPG - Transferred after Soph year
31 - Kowacie Reeves (Florida) - 15.5 MPG, 5.5 PPG - Transferred after Soph year
32 - Efton Reid (LSU) - 19.6 MPG, 6.3 PPG - Transferred after both FR and Soph years
33 - Charles Bediako (Alabama) - 17.8 MPG, 6.7 PPG
34 - Jalen Warley (Florida State) - 19.3 MPG, 3.7 PPG
35 - Malaki Branham (Ohio State) - 29.6 MPG, 13.7 PPG
36 - Jaylon Tyson (Texas) - 6.9 MPG, 1.8 PPG - Transferred after Soph year
37 - Manny Obaseki (Texas A&M) - 13.1 MPG, 3.6 MPG
38 - Langston Love (Baylor) - Redshirt
39 - Josh Minott (Memphis) - 14.6 MPG, 6.6 PPG
40 - Tyrese Hunter (Iowa State) - 31.9 MPG, 11 PPG
Of the 20 guys that played, only 4 played more than 20 MPG in their freshman seasons. Roughly half only get 15+ MPG.
Think Wilcher getting 12-15 MPG as a Freshman would be a reasonable expectation. Obviously hope he's closer to Branham and Hunter than a Seth Trimble or MJ Rice but nearly impossible to project
Nice job with the info you buzzkill
Thank god I came and looked at the thread before going and doing it myself. I was gonna do 30-50..slacker!
On a need to know basis, that was way more than I needed to know.Nice job with the info you buzzkill
Last two years Big East all-freshman team:
BIG EAST ALL-FRESHMAN TEAM
Donovan Clingan, Connecticut, C, 7-2, 265, Bristol, Conn. -- #73
*Alex Karaban, Connecticut, F, 6-8, 210, Southborough, Mass. - #95
AJ Storr, St. John's, G, 6-6, 200, Rockford, Ill. - #97
Mark Armstrong, Villanova, G, 6-2, 180, South Orange, N.J. - #62
*Cam Whitmore, Villanova, F, 6-7, 232, Odenton, Md. - #11
Desmond Claude, Xavier, G, 6-5, 195, New Haven, Conn. - #86
BIG EAST ALL-FRESHMAN TEAM
Jordan Hawkins, Connecticut, G, 6-5, 175, Gaithersburg, Md. - #51
Trey Alexander, Creighton, G, 6-4, 185, Oklahoma City, Okla. - #76
*Ryan Nembhard, Creighton, G, 6-0, 167, Aurora, Ont. - #69
Arthur Kaluma, Creighton, F, 6-7, 220, Glendale, Ariz. - #49
*Aminu Mohammed, Georgetown, G, 6-5, 210, Temple Hills, Md. - #25
*Kam Jones, Marquette, G, 6-4, 185, Cordova, Tenn. - #166
Main takeaway from me is you really want to be in that Top 100 range. It's been inconsistent for us to even do that with the last two coaching staffs.
BIG EAST ALL-FRESHMAN TEAM
Donovan Clingan, Connecticut, C, 7-2, 265, Bristol, Conn. -- #73
*Alex Karaban, Connecticut, F, 6-8, 210, Southborough, Mass. - #95
AJ Storr, St. John's, G, 6-6, 200, Rockford, Ill. - #97
Mark Armstrong, Villanova, G, 6-2, 180, South Orange, N.J. - #62
*Cam Whitmore, Villanova, F, 6-7, 232, Odenton, Md. - #11
Desmond Claude, Xavier, G, 6-5, 195, New Haven, Conn. - #86
BIG EAST ALL-FRESHMAN TEAM
Jordan Hawkins, Connecticut, G, 6-5, 175, Gaithersburg, Md. - #51
Trey Alexander, Creighton, G, 6-4, 185, Oklahoma City, Okla. - #76
*Ryan Nembhard, Creighton, G, 6-0, 167, Aurora, Ont. - #69
Arthur Kaluma, Creighton, F, 6-7, 220, Glendale, Ariz. - #49
*Aminu Mohammed, Georgetown, G, 6-5, 210, Temple Hills, Md. - #25
*Kam Jones, Marquette, G, 6-4, 185, Cordova, Tenn. - #166
Main takeaway from me is you really want to be in that Top 100 range. It's been inconsistent for us to even do that with the last two coaching staffs.
Larry Wright
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I never saw the kid play but I do think Jenkins best suited as 3 rd guard on good team in major conference
Interestingly I looked back at Rick’s old UK team that won the NC. He had 10 guys playing double-digit minutes on that team, and the leader in minutes was Antoine Walker at 27 mpg and Tony Delk at 26.3. He’s definitely not the type of coach not to use his depth and nobody outside of Soriano should expect much more than 25 minutes per game.
I think there would be plenty of situations where there are two guards better than him. I’m talking more about a top 40 freshmen vs a 5th year senior running the show. Not sure that would be the case here.
Larry Wright
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Point or not, believe Dingle going to be primary ball handler anyway
And the freshmen ahead of him too?
Larry Wright
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If that kid coming at this point, I imagine he has gotten certain promises
There are eligibility concerns with Dannis. Hope we have both him and Wiltcher come fall, and if we do I know who I will be expecting more out of next season.
I figure if Tony Delk got 26 minutes per game for those UK teams, even Wilcher will have to understand that Pitino isn’t going to give him carte Blanche minutes.
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Hopefully we lock this up quick. Indiana with his high school teammate (MM) and Xavier where his brother went to school, both would make sense.
I am starting to hate Indiana.
Me too, but Woodson is a good coach with pro experience. He’s formidable