Rebuild Time Frame
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prjohnnies
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Year 3 is my goal. As for next year, who knows. Look how many top tier freshman are struggling mightily this year, even on squads that have some good older players. We will still be very young next year, and incorporating some new guys (at least 3-4 who are expected to be big contributors, possibly more). As long as we are pretty good next season and show some growth/progress, I can live with that, and I think the fans will be elated.
we are sju
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I think people are looking at this all wrong. I have said that this year was a throwaway. It was not just to absolve Mullin for the impending disaster of this season. You really can't take anything away from this season. Starting next year you can start to gauge what kind of coach he is and will be. Now I am a fan so I expect him to succeed. But at this point who really knows.
Once he shows he can coach, then he has to get the players, like anyone else to be successful. So bottom line is predicting where we will be next year or the year after does not make much sense.
Once he shows he can coach, then he has to get the players, like anyone else to be successful. So bottom line is predicting where we will be next year or the year after does not make much sense.
Moose
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This won't be a popular opinion but IMO they have to dance next year. They should be able to finish Top 5 or 6 if all hands are on deck. Of course typical SJU a shoe will drop so this statement might be pointless.
The reason I think it's imperative next year is because by Year 3 is when the inevitable roster turnover will happen. Fingers crossed next year the only departures are those that are expected. You add important parts in Lovett, Ponds, Bashir and Richie. Now for argument sake lets say you get one of the two big fish. That big fish isn't around here long. Again not my opinion of whether he should leave after a year but its pretty evident reading the tea leaves. Now if you don't dance next year with those fish and they leave, you are also entering year 2 to 3 and certainly someone will not be happy with PT, or someone will be told they have an NBA future or who knows its college a kid could be failing out.
I just think its really key to dance next year or honestly be the team we feel is in and gets screwed being left out. Strike now and quickly and thats how the program is restored to respectability.
The reason I think it's imperative next year is because by Year 3 is when the inevitable roster turnover will happen. Fingers crossed next year the only departures are those that are expected. You add important parts in Lovett, Ponds, Bashir and Richie. Now for argument sake lets say you get one of the two big fish. That big fish isn't around here long. Again not my opinion of whether he should leave after a year but its pretty evident reading the tea leaves. Now if you don't dance next year with those fish and they leave, you are also entering year 2 to 3 and certainly someone will not be happy with PT, or someone will be told they have an NBA future or who knows its college a kid could be failing out.
I just think its really key to dance next year or honestly be the team we feel is in and gets screwed being left out. Strike now and quickly and thats how the program is restored to respectability.
MarkRedman
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While we all hope that we dance next year, I believe that the article posted is very fair
To make the NIT next year and The Dance in '18 is a fair and reasonable expectation
tom in salem
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Not breaking balls here but, assuming Big East gets 5 next year, what 5 teams do you expect us to jump?
Moose
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I don't interpret it as busting balls. And I don't follow all the other teams recruiting. But DePaul of course. Hall I would say because I feel strongly Whitehead and Delgado are gone. Marquette loses Ellenson I'd say. Now not sure about the other teams and what they lose versus what returns. Finishing 5 or 6 isn't nuts.
we are sju
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You think Lovett, Pond & Ahmed is worth 10-12 more wins?
No matter what we will be more fun to watch. Only thing I am hoping for is that Ponds and Lovett are both here and eligible. 15 -17 wins is much more realistic.
Moose
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Don't forget Richie
Add depth with Owens as well. And technically Darien though I'm not a fan from the little I've seen.
I'm just not a believer that a rebuild should take 3 years or 4 in many cases. If we get Maker or Rawle which I don't think will happen then to me it's really imperative you dance.
I have confidence we'll get back to tourney soon eonugh... ....'17, '18 ?? Who knows...
What I am more concerned about is if/how this coaching staff sticks together if the team does welll.
If I'm correct, Mullin & Slice signed six-year deals. I have no idea about Matt A, St. Jean or Richmond.
If Mullin gets to tourney in a few years, do you think he sticks around beyond the six years ? What about Slice, or Matt A bringing in the talent ? Seems St. Jean is born to head coach in time...
If I recall when Mullin signed on, at press conference he said his goal was to get the program back to where it was, get a level of consistency and then "turn it over to someone else".... What that measure of success and future is will linger with many of us as the program elevates..
What I am more concerned about is if/how this coaching staff sticks together if the team does welll.
If I'm correct, Mullin & Slice signed six-year deals. I have no idea about Matt A, St. Jean or Richmond.
If Mullin gets to tourney in a few years, do you think he sticks around beyond the six years ? What about Slice, or Matt A bringing in the talent ? Seems St. Jean is born to head coach in time...
If I recall when Mullin signed on, at press conference he said his goal was to get the program back to where it was, get a level of consistency and then "turn it over to someone else".... What that measure of success and future is will linger with many of us as the program elevates..
Ray Morgan
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I don't recall Mullin saying anything about leaving when he turned the program around. I think he has too much respect for the challenge to start talking about what happens next.
Does anyone doubt that Chris Mullin has guts, talent, drive, that "it" factor among other virtues and skills? Does anyone doubt that a prime motivation for Chris and his two sensational recruiters was to recruit and win? Does anyone doubt that our Coach and staff has begun the process down the yellow brick road leading to a return to big time BBALL in Queens & MSG? Does anyone doubt that in Chris' dreams he can taste success - as he has had on EVERY basketball level?
I think the wondrous Johann von Goethe (1749-1832) had us in mind with his famous observation:
Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic.
we are sju
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Don't forget Richie
Add depth with Owens as well. And technically Darien though I'm not a fan from the little I've seen.
I'm just not a believer that a rebuild should take 3 years or 4 in many cases. If we get Maker or Rawle which I don't think will happen then to me it's really imperative you dance.
That is asking a lot out of Freshman and Sophs
I look at next year like some looked at this year. If we are fun to watch and Ponds and Lovett are half way as good as we all hope we will make tourney's. Next year though.......
Moose
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Don't forget Richie
Add depth with Owens as well. And technically Darien though I'm not a fan from the little I've seen.
I'm just not a believer that a rebuild should take 3 years or 4 in many cases. If we get Maker or Rawle which I don't think will happen then to me it's really imperative you dance.
That is asking a lot out of Freshman and Sophs
I look at next year like some looked at this year. If we are fun to watch and Ponds and Lovett are half way as good as we all hope we will make tourney's. Next year though.......
Owens and Lovett are practicing though. That's big. Not coming in blind.
I hear what you and everyone are saying. I'm just skeptical all the parts we have will be here come year 3 so those dreaming 10 or 11 man units people are posting won't happen. Just human nature.
we are sju
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Don't forget Richie
Add depth with Owens as well. And technically Darien though I'm not a fan from the little I've seen.
I'm just not a believer that a rebuild should take 3 years or 4 in many cases. If we get Maker or Rawle which I don't think will happen then to me it's really imperative you dance.
Maker or Rawle than you are getting there, but still think we would be short of what you are hoping for next year
keenanherlich
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With Maker or Rawle I think we are a tournament team...I could be totally wrong but with both then we definitely are a team that you don't want to play. There is a lot of incoming talent next year and coming in 6th or 5th in Big East isn't unrealistic at all.
This was the quote I was thinking about....
No matter what happens I'm excited for the potential ahead of us....
On getting the program back to consecutive NCAA Tournaments:
"We are going to get this program back to those days and have it consistent. It's going to be a process. It's not going to happen overnight. It's going to take patience and a lot of hard work. I want to get it to where Coach [Carnesecca] had it and then hand it off to someone else so we have consistency."
http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/040115aaa.html
beast of the east
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Roster imbalance is a horrible circumstance that is difficult to dig out from under.
Lavin started his 5 year stint here mostly with Norm's seniors plus Polee, who left after just one season.
Year two was a horrible record, and their best player Harkless went pro after 1 season.
It then took 3 additional seasons to get back to the dance with Lavin's seniors (albeit a big boost from Obekpa and Jordan, both of whom left)
Mullin starts year 1 much like Lavin's year two. Except Mullin's staff balanced the roster a little better by adding Johnson and Mvouika, and having 3 role players (Balamou, CJ, and Amar). I do think his climb will be as tough, therefore I'd give him till the 4th year to equate to Lavin's 4th year with his own players.
So, to me, the climb will likely take 4 seasons, and not 3.. But at the end of those 4 years, the roster will be balanced much better.
Lavin started his 5 year stint here mostly with Norm's seniors plus Polee, who left after just one season.
Year two was a horrible record, and their best player Harkless went pro after 1 season.
It then took 3 additional seasons to get back to the dance with Lavin's seniors (albeit a big boost from Obekpa and Jordan, both of whom left)
Mullin starts year 1 much like Lavin's year two. Except Mullin's staff balanced the roster a little better by adding Johnson and Mvouika, and having 3 role players (Balamou, CJ, and Amar). I do think his climb will be as tough, therefore I'd give him till the 4th year to equate to Lavin's 4th year with his own players.
So, to me, the climb will likely take 4 seasons, and not 3.. But at the end of those 4 years, the roster will be balanced much better.
MarkRedman
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Don't forget Richie
Add depth with Owens as well. And technically Darien though I'm not a fan from the little I've seen.
I'm just not a believer that a rebuild should take 3 years or 4 in many cases. If we get Maker or Rawle which I don't think will happen then to me it's really imperative you dance.
That is asking a lot out of Freshman and Sophs
I look at next year like some looked at this year. If we are fun to watch and Ponds and Lovett are half way as good as we all hope we will make tourney's. Next year though.......
Owens and Lovett are practicing though. That's big. Not coming in blind.
I hear what you and everyone are saying. I'm just skeptical all the parts we have will be here come year 3 so those dreaming 10 or 11 man units people are posting won't happen. Just human nature.
I am not worried about Year 3
As long as our staff stays intact, recruiting will be strong and we will get better players
Recruits will see the improvement and the fun style of play and will want to be part of it
If we do get Alkins and/or Maker, I think the NCAA would be a real possibility next year