Realistic View of 2019 Recruiting

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If they can land two of the following targets, it may be fine. If roster turnover occurs, as it always does, Matt can play his transfer cards.

Iggy - Aidan does have family in area apparently, so it is not out of question he could be landed. I expect a Fall official visit & we’ll go from there.

Samuel
Gaffney
Hill
Bishop

No clue on Kofi, but we’ll see.
 
Paultzman wrote: f they can land two of the following targets, it may be fine. If roster turnover occurs, as it always does, Matt can play his transfer cards.

Iggy - Aidan does have family in area apparently, so it is not out of question he could be landed. I expect a Fall official visit & we’ll go from there.

Samuel
Gaffney
Hill
Bishop

No clue on Kofi, but we’ll see.

Would be happy getting two of these, especially if one is either AI or Samuel. Also, perhaps one of staff's most important recruiting victories for 2019 will be convincing Simon (after a solid 2018-2019 record) to come back and be the senior leader/focal point for the 2019-2020 squad.
 
Reasonable assessment. Those projecting gloom and doom for 19-20 should also realize that despite heavy duty success to date for that class, recruits still out there know they can step into opportunity for more playing time here than at schools that have already recruited successfully for their position.

I'm confident in the ways things have worked this far, but also would be pleased with any staff adjustments that bring in another recruiter, possibly at the expense of existing staff. I don't particularly care if MR stays or not, but if he is an impediment to bringing in a Matt clone (if one exists) then it's obvious.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=293725]If they can land two of the following targets, it may be fine. If roster turnover occurs, as it always does, Matt can play his transfer cards.

Iggy - Aidan does have family in area apparently, so it is not out of question he could be landed. I expect a Fall official visit & we’ll go from there.

Samuel
Gaffney
Hill
Bishop

No clue on Kofi, but we’ll see.[/quote]

Not that I ever thought we had a realistic shot with Precious even though it's been mentioned it's between us and UConn, but do you see him being out of the mix?
 
[quote="Room112" post=293732][quote="Paultzman" post=293725]If they can land two of the following targets, it may be fine. If roster turnover occurs, as it always does, Matt can play his transfer cards.

Iggy - Aidan does have family in area apparently, so it is not out of question he could be landed. I expect a Fall official visit & we’ll go from there.

Samuel
Gaffney
Hill
Bishop

No clue on Kofi, but we’ll see.[/quote]

Not that I ever thought we had a realistic shot with Precious even though it's been mentioned it's between us and UConn, but do you see him being out of the mix?[/quote]
Gut says yes, but we’ll see
 
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I think we desperately need 1 of 2 to be a PF/C then we add another athletic 2 Guard/Wing
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=293734][quote="Room112" post=293732][quote="Paultzman" post=293725]If they can land two of the following targets, it may be fine. If roster turnover occurs, as it always does, Matt can play his transfer cards.

Iggy - Aidan does have family in area apparently, so it is not out of question he could be landed. I expect a Fall official visit & we’ll go from there.

Samuel
Gaffney
Hill
Bishop

No clue on Kofi, but we’ll see.[/quote]

Not that I ever thought we had a realistic shot with Precious even though it's been mentioned it's between us and UConn, but do you see him being out of the mix?[/quote]
Gut says yes, but we’ll see[/quote]

We should hire GG as a special assistant who only recruits Achiuwa's
 
Let's get Matt to Canada to put the full court press on Samuel and "close" on one of the guards as well.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=293776]Let's get Matt to Canada to put the full court press on Samuel and "close" on one of the guards as well.[/quote]
Prophetic
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=293725]If they can land two of the following targets, it may be fine. If roster turnover occurs, as it always does, Matt can play his transfer cards.

Iggy - Aidan does have family in area apparently, so it is not out of question he could be landed. I expect a Fall official visit & we’ll go from there.

Samuel
Gaffney
Hill
Bishop

No clue on Kofi, but we’ll see.[/quote]

I would sign for 2 guys on that list. But be clear on a couple of things:

1)That means SJU whiffed on just about all of the top 50 kids we have gone after the last few years. And that assumes SJU even lands 2 of those kids and

2)We really needed to make a coaching change in April of 2015 because the previous staff couldn't land kids between 100-150 in the rankings? Really? We needed to hire Chris Mullin because we could never get kids like Marcellus Earlington with previous staffs? Really?

This is my larger point. When you make a coaching change especially when there are no pending NCAA sanctions or investigations you do so based on performance. SJU said finishing 5th and going 10-8 and then 10-8 again last 2 years and whiffing on some key local recruits wasn't GOOD ENOUGH. And I am OK with this. But ask yourself this, especially if you are one to simply give Chris Mullin every benefit of the doubt. Let's speculate and say SJU decided to keep Lavin and extend him. 3 years later. Do you really think Lavin's record would be 38-60/12/42 over that period? Probably not, be honest it would be better. Do you really think he couldn't recruit the type of talent on the previous and current rosters? I think he could. And let me be clear I don't think Lavin is a great coach. And that is the crux of my point.

At some point Chris has to start doing things that make people say, "Yeah, that is why we made the change." "Yeah that is why we hired Chris and not say Danny Hurley." "That is why SJU did the right thing in not retaining the last staff."

That simple. And this year is HUGE...both on the court and off. I am rooting hard for SJU and the staff. But those who blindly defend this staff need to look closely. And need to ask themselves those questions before they blame everyone including Lavin for the current issues regarding the staff.
 
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Paultzman wrote: NCJohnnie wrote: Let's get Matt to Canada to put the full court press on Samuel and "close" on one of the guards as well.
Prophetic

Hope it's prophetic rather than pathetic ;)
 
[quote="fordham96" post=293779][quote="Paultzman" post=293725]If they can land two of the following targets, it may be fine. If roster turnover occurs, as it always does, Matt can play his transfer cards.

Iggy - Aidan does have family in area apparently, so it is not out of question he could be landed. I expect a Fall official visit & we’ll go from there.

Samuel
Gaffney
Hill
Bishop

No clue on Kofi, but we’ll see.[/quote]

I would sign for 2 guys on that list. But be clear on a couple of things:

1)That means SJU whiffed on just about all of the top 50 kids we have gone after the last few years. And that assumes SJU even lands 2 of those kids and

2)We really needed to make a coaching change in April of 2015 because the previous staff couldn't land kids between 100-150 in the rankings? Really? We needed to hire Chris Mullin because we could never get kids like Marcellus Earlington with previous staffs? Really?

This is my larger point. When you make a coaching change especially when there are no pending NCAA sanctions or investigations you do so based on performance. SJU said finishing 5th and going 10-8 and then 10-8 again last 2 years and whiffing on some key local recruits wasn't GOOD ENOUGH. And I am OK with this. But ask yourself this, especially if you are one to simply give Chris Mullin every benefit of the doubt. Let's speculate and say SJU decided to keep Lavin and extend him. 3 years later. Do you really think Lavin's record would be 38-60/12/42 over that period? Probably not, be honest it would be better. Do you really think he couldn't recruit the type of talent on the previous and current rosters? I think he could. And let me be clear I don't think Lavin is a great coach. And that is the crux of my point.

At some point Chris has to start doing things that make people say, "Yeah, that is why we made the change." "Yeah that is why we hired Chris and not say Danny Hurley." "That is why SJU did the right thing in not retaining the last staff."

That simple. And this year is HUGE...both on the court and off. I am rooting hard for SJU and the staff. But those who blindly defend this staff need to look closely. And need to ask themselves those questions before they blame everyone including Lavin for the current issues regarding the staff.[/quote]

Good post. The problem is that we spent too much time on the 5-star studs too soon, didn't show any patience to build something first. Trying to put in the theatre room and jacuzzi before the insulation and plumbing. The other problem, not to belabor the point, is the schedule this year. Since I agree with you that this year is huge on the court, it seems bad to me that we basically either need to win at Duke vs RJ Barrett, Zion Williamson and the gang, or win 25 games.
 
Fordham96 wrote:
I would sign for 2 guys on that list. But be clear on a couple of things:

1)That means SJU whiffed on just about all of the top 50 kids we have gone after the last few years. And that assumes SJU even lands 2 of those kids and

2)We really needed to make a coaching change in April of 2015 because the previous staff couldn't land kids between 100-150 in the rankings? Really? We needed to hire Chris Mullin because we could never get kids like Marcellus Earlington with previous staffs? Really?

This is my larger point. When you make a coaching change especially when there are no pending NCAA sanctions or investigations you do so based on performance. SJU said finishing 5th and going 10-8 and then 10-8 again last 2 years and whiffing on some key local recruits wasn't GOOD ENOUGH. And I am OK with this. But ask yourself this, especially if you are one to simply give Chris Mullin every benefit of the doubt. Let's speculate and say SJU decided to keep Lavin and extend him. 3 years later. Do you really think Lavin's record would be 38-60/12/42 over that period? Probably not, be honest it would be better. Do you really think he couldn't recruit the type of talent on the previous and current rosters? I think he could. And let me be clear I don't think Lavin is a great coach. And that is the crux of my point.

At some point Chris has to start doing things that make people say, "Yeah, that is why we made the change." "Yeah that is why we hired Chris and not say Danny Hurley." "That is why SJU did the right thing in not retaining the last staff."

That simple. And this year is HUGE...both on the court and off. I am rooting hard for SJU and the staff. But those who blindly defend this staff need to look closely. And need to ask themselves those questions before they blame everyone including Lavin for the current issues regarding the staff.

Very fair post. Hope this year brings good things for program and fans.
 
The most realistic view of 2019 recruiting is Matt scrambling like mad to pick up transfers in the spring while the rest of the staff watches from the sidelines.

They've been in place long enough to allow patterns to emerge.
 
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[quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=293781][quote="fordham96" post=293779][quote="Paultzman" post=293725]If they can land two of the following targets, it may be fine. If roster turnover occurs, as it always does, Matt can play his transfer cards.

Iggy - Aidan does have family in area apparently, so it is not out of question he could be landed. I expect a Fall official visit & we’ll go from there.

Samuel
Gaffney
Hill
Bishop

No clue on Kofi, but we’ll see.[/quote]

I would sign for 2 guys on that list. But be clear on a couple of things:

1)That means SJU whiffed on just about all of the top 50 kids we have gone after the last few years. And that assumes SJU even lands 2 of those kids and

2)We really needed to make a coaching change in April of 2015 because the previous staff couldn't land kids between 100-150 in the rankings? Really? We needed to hire Chris Mullin because we could never get kids like Marcellus Earlington with previous staffs? Really?

This is my larger point. When you make a coaching change especially when there are no pending NCAA sanctions or investigations you do so based on performance. SJU said finishing 5th and going 10-8 and then 10-8 again last 2 years and whiffing on some key local recruits wasn't GOOD ENOUGH. And I am OK with this. But ask yourself this, especially if you are one to simply give Chris Mullin every benefit of the doubt. Let's speculate and say SJU decided to keep Lavin and extend him. 3 years later. Do you really think Lavin's record would be 38-60/12/42 over that period? Probably not, be honest it would be better. Do you really think he couldn't recruit the type of talent on the previous and current rosters? I think he could. And let me be clear I don't think Lavin is a great coach. And that is the crux of my point.

At some point Chris has to start doing things that make people say, "Yeah, that is why we made the change." "Yeah that is why we hired Chris and not say Danny Hurley." "That is why SJU did the right thing in not retaining the last staff."

That simple. And this year is HUGE...both on the court and off. I am rooting hard for SJU and the staff. But those who blindly defend this staff need to look closely. And need to ask themselves those questions before they blame everyone including Lavin for the current issues regarding the staff.[/quote]

Good post. The problem is that we spent too much time on the 5-star studs too soon, didn't show any patience to build something first. Trying to put in the theatre room and jacuzzi before the insulation and plumbing. The other problem, not to belabor the point, is the schedule this year. Since I agree with you that this year is huge on the court, it seems bad to me that we basically either need to win at Duke vs RJ Barrett, Zion Williamson and the gang, or win 25 games.[/quote]

Because of the new staff and the 3 losing seasons, it was virtually impossible to be ‘in the mix’ for 5* kids before the 2019 class. It is what it is, and I agree it hinges 100% on our ‘record’ in 2018-19 and that that record has to be stellar because of the weak OOC.
I continue to think though, that a great BEC season, including the BET, would accomplish that and—if so—we’ll be dancing, with a decent seed.
 
Ever since Frank McGuire left St. John's for the Carolinas, the top NY area players have been leaving in droves. And that is before college basketball recruiting became as competitive as it is today. Looie won very few battles with the big power schools, and that was when Looie could legally offer recruits good money each month to live at home through the stipend. This is not an excuse for the new staff. It's just the way it has always been, minus anything legal to offer the recruits that would equal out some of the disadvantages, including not engaging in the sordid activities other programs "allegedly" engage in.

As Paultzman said, our punchers chance with Igiehon is that he has some family here. That's always been the deciding factor. Some players just want to stay home. So losing out on the 5 star list we have been going after is predictable and the norm. It would surprise me if we land any 5 star players, but am hopeful that the desire to stay in NY will override whatever the big schools, and/or dirty ones, are offering.

The only thing the staff could do is work as hard as possible, and show enough love to the players that just want to stay home that they come here, and not go to Seton Hall. If they lose out because they were outworked, it's on the staff, and especially on the head coach. If they lose out because they were outspent, then that's just part of the dirty world of collegiate athletics.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=293779][quote="Paultzman" post=293725]If they can land two of the following targets, it may be fine. If roster turnover occurs, as it always does, Matt can play his transfer cards.

Iggy - Aidan does have family in area apparently, so it is not out of question he could be landed. I expect a Fall official visit & we’ll go from there.

Samuel
Gaffney
Hill
Bishop

No clue on Kofi, but we’ll see.[/quote]

I would sign for 2 guys on that list. But be clear on a couple of things:

1)That means SJU whiffed on just about all of the top 50 kids we have gone after the last few years. And that assumes SJU even lands 2 of those kids and

2)We really needed to make a coaching change in April of 2015 because the previous staff couldn't land kids between 100-150 in the rankings? Really? We needed to hire Chris Mullin because we could never get kids like Marcellus Earlington with previous staffs? Really?

This is my larger point. When you make a coaching change especially when there are no pending NCAA sanctions or investigations you do so based on performance. SJU said finishing 5th and going 10-8 and then 10-8 again last 2 years and whiffing on some key local recruits wasn't GOOD ENOUGH. And I am OK with this. But ask yourself this, especially if you are one to simply give Chris Mullin every benefit of the doubt. Let's speculate and say SJU decided to keep Lavin and extend him. 3 years later. Do you really think Lavin's record would be 38-60/12/42 over that period? Probably not, be honest it would be better. Do you really think he couldn't recruit the type of talent on the previous and current rosters? I think he could. And let me be clear I don't think Lavin is a great coach. And that is the crux of my point.

At some point Chris has to start doing things that make people say, "Yeah, that is why we made the change." "Yeah that is why we hired Chris and not say Danny Hurley." "That is why SJU did the right thing in not retaining the last staff."

That simple. And this year is HUGE...both on the court and off. I am rooting hard for SJU and the staff. But those who blindly defend this staff need to look closely. And need to ask themselves those questions before they blame everyone including Lavin for the current issues regarding the staff.[/quote]

What issues? We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of? That Mullin does it differently? That you don't like his methods? because he (and Matt obviously) have clearly upgraded our talent so now it is oh, they are transfers or oh, sob, sob, what about next year? Your and others issue with Mullin is you don't like him or the hire so you spin, spin, spin to suit your agenda. Lavin stopped recruiting, plain and simple, HE QUIT, so he was fired. You don't want to give Mullin time to prove or disprove himself fine but I find it incredibly ironic you will go as far as to disparage a player (Davis) you obviously never saw play and the fact that the coaches maybe decided to recruit him. Agenda, agenda, agenda.
 
[quote="Logen" post=293790][quote="fordham96" post=293779][quote="Paultzman" post=293725]If they can land two of the following targets, it may be fine. If roster turnover occurs, as it always does, Matt can play his transfer cards.

Iggy - Aidan does have family in area apparently, so it is not out of question he could be landed. I expect a Fall official visit & we’ll go from there.

Samuel
Gaffney
Hill
Bishop

No clue on Kofi, but we’ll see.[/quote]

I would sign for 2 guys on that list. But be clear on a couple of things:

1)That means SJU whiffed on just about all of the top 50 kids we have gone after the last few years. And that assumes SJU even lands 2 of those kids and

2)We really needed to make a coaching change in April of 2015 because the previous staff couldn't land kids between 100-150 in the rankings? Really? We needed to hire Chris Mullin because we could never get kids like Marcellus Earlington with previous staffs? Really?

This is my larger point. When you make a coaching change especially when there are no pending NCAA sanctions or investigations you do so based on performance. SJU said finishing 5th and going 10-8 and then 10-8 again last 2 years and whiffing on some key local recruits wasn't GOOD ENOUGH. And I am OK with this. But ask yourself this, especially if you are one to simply give Chris Mullin every benefit of the doubt. Let's speculate and say SJU decided to keep Lavin and extend him. 3 years later. Do you really think Lavin's record would be 38-60/12/42 over that period? Probably not, be honest it would be better. Do you really think he couldn't recruit the type of talent on the previous and current rosters? I think he could. And let me be clear I don't think Lavin is a great coach. And that is the crux of my point.

At some point Chris has to start doing things that make people say, "Yeah, that is why we made the change." "Yeah that is why we hired Chris and not say Danny Hurley." "That is why SJU did the right thing in not retaining the last staff."

That simple. And this year is HUGE...both on the court and off. I am rooting hard for SJU and the staff. But those who blindly defend this staff need to look closely. And need to ask themselves those questions before they blame everyone including Lavin for the current issues regarding the staff.[/quote]

What issues? We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of? That Mullin does it differently? That you don't like his methods? because he (and Matt obviously) have clearly upgraded our talent so now it is oh, they are transfers or oh, sob, sob, what about next year? Your and others issue with Mullin is you don't like him or the hire so you spin, spin, spin to suit your agenda. Lavin stopped recruiting, plain and simple, HE QUIT, so he was fired. You don't want to give Mullin time to prove or disprove himself fine but I find it incredibly ironic you will go as far as to disparage a player (Davis) you obviously never saw play and the fact that the coaches maybe decided to recruit him. Agenda, agenda, agenda.[/quote]

"We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of?"
^ is getting old.

Logen and all the Mullin defenders, I got one simple question for you.
I'm just wondering, when does that excuse stop?
If he fails this year is that the same excuse? Maybe after next year? Or after year 8???

I'm being real serious too, I'd just like to know when that excuse stops.

If Mullin fails here, I pray he leaves the next coach some ballers, or it will be the same crap excuse for the next coach as well. It gets old after a while.
 
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[quote="oldschool Redmen" post=293796][quote="Logen" post=293790][quote="fordham96" post=293779][quote="Paultzman" post=293725]If they can land two of the following targets, it may be fine. If roster turnover occurs, as it always does, Matt can play his transfer cards.

Iggy - Aidan does have family in area apparently, so it is not out of question he could be landed. I expect a Fall official visit & we’ll go from there.

Samuel
Gaffney
Hill
Bishop

No clue on Kofi, but we’ll see.[/quote]

I would sign for 2 guys on that list. But be clear on a couple of things:

1)That means SJU whiffed on just about all of the top 50 kids we have gone after the last few years. And that assumes SJU even lands 2 of those kids and

2)We really needed to make a coaching change in April of 2015 because the previous staff couldn't land kids between 100-150 in the rankings? Really? We needed to hire Chris Mullin because we could never get kids like Marcellus Earlington with previous staffs? Really?

This is my larger point. When you make a coaching change especially when there are no pending NCAA sanctions or investigations you do so based on performance. SJU said finishing 5th and going 10-8 and then 10-8 again last 2 years and whiffing on some key local recruits wasn't GOOD ENOUGH. And I am OK with this. But ask yourself this, especially if you are one to simply give Chris Mullin every benefit of the doubt. Let's speculate and say SJU decided to keep Lavin and extend him. 3 years later. Do you really think Lavin's record would be 38-60/12/42 over that period? Probably not, be honest it would be better. Do you really think he couldn't recruit the type of talent on the previous and current rosters? I think he could. And let me be clear I don't think Lavin is a great coach. And that is the crux of my point.

At some point Chris has to start doing things that make people say, "Yeah, that is why we made the change." "Yeah that is why we hired Chris and not say Danny Hurley." "That is why SJU did the right thing in not retaining the last staff."

That simple. And this year is HUGE...both on the court and off. I am rooting hard for SJU and the staff. But those who blindly defend this staff need to look closely. And need to ask themselves those questions before they blame everyone including Lavin for the current issues regarding the staff.[/quote]

What issues? We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of? That Mullin does it differently? That you don't like his methods? because he (and Matt obviously) have clearly upgraded our talent so now it is oh, they are transfers or oh, sob, sob, what about next year? Your and others issue with Mullin is you don't like him or the hire so you spin, spin, spin to suit your agenda. Lavin stopped recruiting, plain and simple, HE QUIT, so he was fired. You don't want to give Mullin time to prove or disprove himself fine but I find it incredibly ironic you will go as far as to disparage a player (Davis) you obviously never saw play and the fact that the coaches maybe decided to recruit him. Agenda, agenda, agenda.[/quote]

"We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of?"
^ is getting old.

Logen and all the Mullin defenders, I got one simple question for you.
I'm just wondering, when does that excuse stop?
If he fails this year is that the same excuse? Maybe after next year? Or after year 8???

I'm being real serious too, I'd just like to know when that excuse stops.

If Mullin fails here, I pray he leaves the next coach some ballers, or it will be the same crap excuse for the next coach as well. It gets old after a while.[/quote]

Get use to excuses and fallacious retorts from him and a handful of others.

Revisionist history per Lavin is well overplayed. Simply, the things they claim we're exaggerating or don't know about..... That's what he and a few others are doing with Lavin.

I'll say it again..... Lavin's first 3 seasons at St. John's versus Mullin's first three seasons, and they'd piss their pants in jubilation.

Remind folks, this isn't solely related to this season. Not to mention, no one is rooting against the team. We know there are some fundamental issues within the ranks. It starts with the administration and ends with head coach.
 
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[quote="oldschool Redmen" post=293796][quote="Logen" post=293790][quote="fordham96" post=293779][quote="Paultzman" post=293725]If they can land two of the following targets, it may be fine. If roster turnover occurs, as it always does, Matt can play his transfer cards.

Iggy - Aidan does have family in area apparently, so it is not out of question he could be landed. I expect a Fall official visit & we’ll go from there.

Samuel
Gaffney
Hill
Bishop

No clue on Kofi, but we’ll see.[/quote]

I would sign for 2 guys on that list. But be clear on a couple of things:

1)That means SJU whiffed on just about all of the top 50 kids we have gone after the last few years. And that assumes SJU even lands 2 of those kids and

2)We really needed to make a coaching change in April of 2015 because the previous staff couldn't land kids between 100-150 in the rankings? Really? We needed to hire Chris Mullin because we could never get kids like Marcellus Earlington with previous staffs? Really?

This is my larger point. When you make a coaching change especially when there are no pending NCAA sanctions or investigations you do so based on performance. SJU said finishing 5th and going 10-8 and then 10-8 again last 2 years and whiffing on some key local recruits wasn't GOOD ENOUGH. And I am OK with this. But ask yourself this, especially if you are one to simply give Chris Mullin every benefit of the doubt. Let's speculate and say SJU decided to keep Lavin and extend him. 3 years later. Do you really think Lavin's record would be 38-60/12/42 over that period? Probably not, be honest it would be better. Do you really think he couldn't recruit the type of talent on the previous and current rosters? I think he could. And let me be clear I don't think Lavin is a great coach. And that is the crux of my point.

At some point Chris has to start doing things that make people say, "Yeah, that is why we made the change." "Yeah that is why we hired Chris and not say Danny Hurley." "That is why SJU did the right thing in not retaining the last staff."

That simple. And this year is HUGE...both on the court and off. I am rooting hard for SJU and the staff. But those who blindly defend this staff need to look closely. And need to ask themselves those questions before they blame everyone including Lavin for the current issues regarding the staff.[/quote]

What issues? We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of? That Mullin does it differently? That you don't like his methods? because he (and Matt obviously) have clearly upgraded our talent so now it is oh, they are transfers or oh, sob, sob, what about next year? Your and others issue with Mullin is you don't like him or the hire so you spin, spin, spin to suit your agenda. Lavin stopped recruiting, plain and simple, HE QUIT, so he was fired. You don't want to give Mullin time to prove or disprove himself fine but I find it incredibly ironic you will go as far as to disparage a player (Davis) you obviously never saw play and the fact that the coaches maybe decided to recruit him. Agenda, agenda, agenda.[/quote]

"We were left with an empty cupboard we are climbing out of?"
^ is getting old.

Logen and all the Mullin defenders, I got one simple question for you.
I'm just wondering, when does that excuse stop?
If he fails this year is that the same excuse? Maybe after next year? Or after year 8???

I'm being real serious too, I'd just like to know when that excuse stops.

If Mullin fails here, I pray he leaves the next coach some ballers, or it will be the same crap excuse for the next coach as well. It gets old after a while.[/quote]

It does not take 3 years to.dig out of a roster hole period. Lavin replaced an entire roster as well. It is a steep climb if you have trouble recruiting. That's the point.

I agree it is hard if you constantly whiff,. The roster thing is way overrated. That is not the reason they are in this position. Period. You are lying to yourself if you think that was his biggest hurdle.

And if you have a problem with the roster in 2015-16 blame the administration. By firing Lavin they caused a chain of events. Lavin didn't fire himself.
 
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