Radical Islamist Terrorist Attacks

If you are going to blame "the west" which to me is an simplistic cop out worthy of a Yale Western Civilization professor, it goes way back to the Greeks/Macedonians then Romans but in modern times, the French and Italians also. Algeria, Morroco, Lybia... Of course the Nazis too and these conflicts also predate Islam
 
Attacking malls at holiday season is something that's been rumored as "chatter" picked up by intelligence in years past, and I'm sure we'll hear it again now.
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Cops in body armor holding machine guns at upscale mall near me Saturday night.

Would make me spit out my Max Brenner hot chocolate if I didn't already see them every day at Port Authority.
 
While I don't agree with your assessment of the president, I must say that radical Islam is an evil force in the world. However, it is short sighted to think that the policies of the West which created much of the climate that spawned radical Islam aren't in part responsible. I have friends who argue that the proper response to this kind of terrorism is to go out and buy a gun. Sorry, I can not agree.
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I do not believe in cause and effect of US meddling in foreign policies and young men blowing themselves up in the name of Allah taking innocent civilians with them. I do think it's as rooted in self empowerment and glorification than it is in an embracing a religious ideology. If you can blame this on the US, why then do Islamic radicals take delight in murdering in relatively politically benign countries, and even sects of Islam that they disagree with?
 
1. Russia was fighting the Taliban, their war there did not begat the Taliban.

2. Lunatics who mastermind and plot to kill innocents have been around for a long time (i.e., all of the Crusades, WWII, etc., etc.) and it crosses over all sorts of ethnic lines, witness the IRA and the baby carriage and garbage can bombs.

3. All the right minded Muslims must condemn the hijacking of their religion and create a culture that stops this radicalization.
 
1. Russia was fighting the Taliban, their war there did not begat the Taliban.

2. Lunatics who mastermind and plot to kill innocents have been around for a long time (i.e., all of the Crusades, WWII, etc., etc.) and it crosses over all sorts of ethnic lines, witness the IRA and the baby carriage and garbage can bombs.

3. All the right minded Muslims must condemn the hijacking of their religion and create a culture that stops this radicalization.
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First I didn't mean to blame the US, just talking about situations that created incubators. 2nd, correct I shouldn't have lumped the Taliban in with al Qaeda in that instance. 3rd of course there are always lunatics, we're just discussing these particular lunatics at this moment.

And finally, your third point is as right on the money as it can be and the west persecuting all muslims, right minded or otherwise, as a response to the radical fringe is not going to move that process further. Of course I'm a bit of a neophyte with regard to understanding the Sunni vs. Shiite issue that makes this even more convoluted.
 
3. All the right minded Muslims must condemn the hijacking of their religion and create a culture that stops this radicalization.
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While I agree there should be a stronger condemnation of radical Islam by mainstream Muslims, I don't believe they can exert much influence over the lunatic fringe, any more than the Catholic Church could reign in an isolated abortion clinic bomber.

I do think however, that mainstream mosques have a moral obligation to report fundamentalists who fund raise in mainstream mosques and recruit impressionable sheep. While I am sure that some radical activities have been reported, mainstream Islam must do much more to root out suspected fanatics in their own communitiies and families
 
Be alert folks. If your state allows concealed carry, better get one or two. Reminder though, if you are a nut case, don't buy one.
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So what you are saying is most of us here on redmen.com shouldnt buy a gun ? :)
 
2. Lunatics who mastermind and plot to kill innocents have been around for a long time (i.e., all of the Crusades, WWII, etc., etc.) and it crosses over all sorts of ethnic lines, witness the IRA and the baby carriage and garbage can bombs.
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If you are attempting to equate the IRA with ISIS then you are wrong in so- so many ways. Not even the brutal, murderous and criminal Ulster Defense League measures up to ISIS.
 
If you are attempting to equate the IRA with ISIS then you are wrong in so- so many ways. Not even the brutal, murderous and criminal Ulster Defense League measures up to ISIS.
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So true.

The IRA would never do anything brutal like abduct a widowed mother in front of her screaming children and later put a bullet in her head.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/03/16/where-the-bodies-are-buried

No, they were truly freedom fighters with God on their side.
 
But the number one victim of this barbaric terror group is Muslims. That’s undisputed. ISIS has killed thousands of Muslims across the Middle East, including beheading Sunni Muslims in Iraq for failing to pledge loyalty to them, executing Imams for not submitting to them, and even killing an Imam in Iraq for simply denouncing them.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/16/muslims-hate-isis-most-of-all.html
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That's because mostly Muslims reside In the Middle East They had no problem butchering yazidis and when they carry out attacks outside their command center they aren't targeting Muslims, they target infidels and we are all infidels.
 
But the number one victim of this barbaric terror group is Muslims. That’s undisputed. ISIS has killed thousands of Muslims across the Middle East, including beheading Sunni Muslims in Iraq for failing to pledge loyalty to them, executing Imams for not submitting to them, and even killing an Imam in Iraq for simply denouncing them.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/16/muslims-hate-isis-most-of-all.html
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they target infidels and we are all infidels.
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Not Austour. He'd point out that he is an aetheistfidel
 
While I don't agree with your assessment of the president, I must say that radical Islam is an evil force in the world. However, it is short sighted to think that the policies of the West which created much of the climate that spawned radical Islam aren't in part responsible. I have friends who argue that the proper response to this kind of terrorism is to go out and buy a gun. Sorry, I can not agree.
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I do not believe in cause and effect of US meddling in foreign policies and young men blowing themselves up in the name of Allah taking innocent civilians with them. I do think it's as rooted in self empowerment and glorification than it is in an embracing a religious ideology. If you can blame this on the US, why then do Islamic radicals take delight in murdering in relatively politically benign countries, and even sects of Islam that they disagree with?
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I'm just saying that radical idealogies like those we are battling now flourish in cultures where ignorance and poverty abound. Those conditions are a result of eons of exploitation and racism of which the US is no stranger.
 
So true.

The IRA would never do anything brutal like abduct a widowed mother in front of her screaming children and later put a bullet in her head.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/03/16/where-the-bodies-are-buried

No, they were truly freedom fighters with God on their side.
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Hey "Main"

I am not sure what your level of reading comprehension is but no in this thread said that the IRA was not without fault just as the Ulster Defense League is not without fault. Your seeming attempt to equate the IRA with ISIS is delusional.

If you or Tom in Sims want to start a separate thread on the IRA or UDL, or any other topic then you should do so.
 
I don't flying F about the hows, whats or whys of ISIS coming in to existence. I really don't. We are where we are, regardless of who's fault it is. I only care that every single one of those radical islamic MFers is dead as soon as possible. Unfortunately we don't have leadership that seems to feel the same way as I do. Bunch of liberal cowards.
 
This thread...

so I guess that this site can't handle a thread about race and their favorite basketball team, for I remember a thread about whether or not a Black assistant should be hired being removed.

Yet...

this rancid thread is allowed to grow.
 
But the number one victim of this barbaric terror group is Muslims. That’s undisputed. ISIS has killed thousands of Muslims across the Middle East, including beheading Sunni Muslims in Iraq for failing to pledge loyalty to them, executing Imams for not submitting to them, and even killing an Imam in Iraq for simply denouncing them.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/16/muslims-hate-isis-most-of-all.html
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That's because mostly Muslims reside In the Middle East They had no problem butchering yazidis and when they carry out attacks outside their command center they aren't targeting Muslims, they target infidels and we are all infidels.
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The middle east is 91% Muslim, representing about 20% of the world's 1.6 billion Muslims.
 
This thread...

so I guess that this site can't handle a thread about race and their favorite basketball team, for I remember a thread about whether or not a Black assistant should be hired being removed.
Yet...

this rancid thread is allowed to grow.
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I'm not exactly sure what you find rancid about this thread, which allowed members to express views about the groups that caused the worst carnage on French soil since WWII, and also about how American leaders have dealt with this growing problem. This attack came just 10 months after the Charlie Hebdo attacks. For Americans, it was a painful reminder that another 9-11 scenario is already actively being planned and that many others have been thwarted.

The Pew Research Center noted that in surveying Muslims in primarily Muslim countries, a range of 7-40% responded that suicide bombings can sometimes be justified.The lowest number came from Iraq (7%), a place where the US tried to spread democracy. The highest numbers (20-40%) came from Nigeria, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, and Egypt. Now that's rancid!

http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

There are even more disturbing surveys where surprising numbers of Muslims blame the US for 9-11, and a significant number believe that the 9-11 attacks were perpetrated by the US and Israel to grow anti-Muslim hatred. Though anecdotal, I once asked a relative who teaches in a largely Muslim school district how many students believe that 9-11 was perpetrated by the US. The person quickly answered, all of them.

In Afghanistan, 99% of those surveyed favor Sharia law being the law of the land, in Pakistan 76% want Sharia Law instituted in all Muslim countries. The numbers are staggering in nearly all Muslim countries no matter how you slice them.

Yet, our current administration clings to the mantra that 99.9% of Muslims are good, faithful, peaceful people who reject radical Islam. There are no statistical measures to support this oft repeated claim. Even if accurate, which it is not, 0.1% of the Muslim population being radical would still amount to 160,000 radical Islamists. Not exactly the JV team, and not exactly a shrinking, contained group.

These statistics point to a significant and present radicalization in the Muslim world. Many rational Americans, Europeans, and others across the globe want this problem to be directly confronted and eradicated by whatever means necessary.

What in this discussion do you find rancid? To me, America's relative inaction against radical Islamic terrorists could be described as rancid. The slaughter of innocent civilians by Islamic jihadists cannot be sufficiently described by words. Revolting, heinous, murderous - all insufficient.

Believe it or not, my comments are not wrapped in hatred. I embrace any human who is guided by goodness, who strives to care and to love, and to make this world a better place. On redmen,com I often find myself on the opposite opinion consistently. Frequently I take it private with those people, who I always acknowledge as good, concerned people who I respect immensely who simply have a different solution to a particular problem. That preamble to civil discourse is what is missing from public dialogue today. Restoring that could be a first big step to solving many of the problems we are face with today.
 
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