Questions On Our Previous Coaches

lawmanfan said:
And yet somehow this coaching savant was unemployed in the profession for 10 years before SJU and ever since. It's almost as though folks figured out that while given resources he can recruit with the best of them, he can't actually do the job.
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Does no one realize that the savant was indeed subsequently hired and has been toiling away in relative obscurity at San Diego for the last number of years.
 
panther2 said:
Jay Wright would definitely have been successful here. The problem was that Mike Jarvis was hired in the spring of 1998. At that time, Jay Wright was not "Jay Wright". During the two seasons prior to Mike Jarvis' hiring, his record at Hofstra was 12-15 and 19-12 in Speedy Claxton's freshman and sophmore years. The following two years, Hofstra won over 20 games.

In the spring of 1998, no one could have predicted that Jay Wright would end up being a Hall of Fame coach. Fun fact, Jay Wright told me that when he was at Hofstra, St John's was his Dream Job.

As far as him being successful at St John's, that would not have been a problem. While Gary Charles and I disagreed of some things, we both respected Jay Wright. Jay Wright was hired at Villanova in 2000 and his first recruiting class included Jason Fraser and Curtis Sumpter, who played for the Panthers throughout their high school careers, and Allen Ray who played in a few tournaments with us. Daryll Hill, Tim Doyle, and Charlie Villaneuva were also ion that our team that won every Adidas tournament throughout the summer of 2001. All of them would have signed with St Johns if Jay Wright was our coach. The next year we had Sammy Mejia, Lamont Hamilton, and Charlie was also in the class of 2002. Eric King was aalready at St John having graduated in 2000. Barring injury, the players mentioned would have had St John's in the Top 10 throughout their college careers.

Unfortunately, in 2000 Villanova fired Steve Lappas and hired Jay Wright. The rest is history.
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Thanks for the memories? ;)

I think the point folks were trying to make was if the Wizards interest in Jarvis was real and if Jarvis took the job in 2000 (he removed himself from consideration that May) STJ could have beaten Nova to the punch. That would have been coming off Wrights first NCAA appearance with Hofstra making him eminently hireable. The next year he made it again, and went to Nova and the rest, as they say, is history.
 
Beasts of the East said:
Even in the midst of one of the brightest seasons in our experience, we still are compelled to re-live the garbage years. Sick bunch we are. It's like a rich guy lamenting that he went hungry growing up.
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It's totally my fault. I was going to save this post for the off season but I figured I'd forget lol
 
As far the Lavin era, the Fr Hatrington/Rob Wile/Cecilia Chang scandal broke and Lavin had three school presidents in theee years leaving Joe Olivia basically in charge of the University .
 
bamafan said:
Does no one realize that the savant was indeed subsequently hired and has been toiling away in relative obscurity at San Diego for the last number of years.
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I am aware and have been sparing the "Lavin can coach" crowd the indignity of seeing what he's been doing with a low mid-major program the last few years. Let them cherish their memories of his awesomeness
 
SeattleJohnny said:
1)The next season the Red Storm stumbled out of the gate, losing to several nonconference teams that they usually beat with ease. Jarvis was fired on December 19, 2003—the first Big East coach to be fired during the season. Assistant Kevin Clark replaced him for the remainder of the season. His final record at St. John's was 110–61.

It later emerged that school officials had fired Jarvis in part due to a series of embarrassing off-court incidents. Among these, a junior college transfer had been charged with assaulting a female student, and a senior guard had been kicked off the team after being caught smoking marijuana near St. John's campus in Queens.

During the 2003–04 season, St. John's center Abe Keita claimed that a member of Jarvis's basketball staff had paid him nearly $300 a month for the past four seasons. As a result, St. John's placed itself on two years' probation, withdrew from postseason consideration for the 2004–05 season, and forfeited 43 wins in which Keita participated. This included the team's NIT championship in 2003, making St. John's the third team in the history of the NIT to be forced to vacate its standing in the tournament; the two previous schools, Minnesota and Michigan, had also won the tournament in their respective years.

The NCAA accepted St. John's sanctions and faulted Jarvis for not properly monitoring Keita's situation, but otherwise cleared him of wrongdoing.[2] After his ouster, Jarvis was criticized for ignoring New York City's rich pool of high school players, which particularly rankled fans used to seeing national powerhouses built primarily on New York City talent.[3]

2) Rock bottom was three basketball players opting to celebrate a 20-point blowout loss at Pittsburgh by breaking curfew and sneaking off to a strip club called Club Erotica, bringing a working girl back to the Westin and ultimately finding themselves in the middle of an ugly, failed blackmail scheme. Mike Jarvis had already been dismissed a few months earlier, but the lingering lawlessness of his regime remained. Norm inherited this, and was given time to build the reputation and scholarship base back, as we had no player or recruits and sanctions.

3) Don't know
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Grady Reynolds
 
lawmanfan said:
I'm not rehashing the Lavin era. Literally anyone who watches basketball, including his former players, will tell you that he can't coach, like at all.

He made the tournament with a team of seniors he inherited. Having flown to Denver for that game, he then proceeded to grossly mismanage it and get blown out.

Then he basically swung for the fences on talented head cases and one year managed to hit on enough of them to get into the tournament as a 9 seed, where he promptly got blown out again.

One might note that after his first year his BE records were:

6-12
8-10
10-8
10-8

A real barnburner, there.

And yet, somehow this coaching phenom - who went to an Elite 8 and four Sweet 16s at UCLA - was unwanted by any other program from 2003-2010 and 2015 - date. And if you exclude SJU, which was in "what the heck, let's swing for the fences since we literally have nothing to lose at this point" mode when it hired him, its been 20+ years since any program in the country wanted to take advantage of Lavin's coaching genius.

In that period DePaul hired Dave Leitao - twice. Pitt hired Kevin Stallings. Houston hired Clyde Drexler. Louisville hired Kenny Payne. Rutgers hired Eddie Jordan. Missouri hired Kim Anderson. Florida International hired Isaiah Thomas (yes THAT Isaiah Thomas; if memory serves they maybe also hired He Who Shall Not Be Named which shows you that they have a real knack for hiriing).

And yet despite this pool of ... whatever it is ... literally NOBODY has even wanted to have a conversation with Lavin in 20 years with the sole exception of SJU - and even THEY decided he couldn't coach and fired him.

This goes under the "everybody isnt' wrong" heading, or the LMF New York City Parking Spot Rule which provides that "if a parking spot looks too good to be true, it is."

Anyway having said I wasn't going to rehash it I have now rehashed some of it (we aren't going to talk about the head cases he brought in, the lack of organizational control, the moronic substitution patterns, the inabiity to adjust to, well, anything, or any of the rest of it).

I recognize that folks who aren't interested in the details of the game are satiisfied with "but he made the NCAA tournament twice in 5 years" but the fact that nobody who is responsible for an actual basketball program agrees with you should maybe give you pause.
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You cra cra...and you write like Tolstoy.
 
austour said:
That season was lost and Jarvis was already toast the morning of March 2, 2003. 12-12, 5-9 BE, No good wins and bad losses at home to Manhattan, Providence and Va Tech. I was one of the ones calling for his head from afar . Then Hatten went nuclear on Duke and a false hope was lit and then stoked by beating a ranked ND in the 1st round of the BET and going on to win the NIT on Marcus' back. and one of Elijah's best games vs ND. He still should have been fired that year. He had clearly lost the team, the city, the SJU admin and the local HS coaches. Other schools were eating his lunch getting NYC kids. He had no future. And it would have been fortuitous as Pittsburgh never would have happened and the program's fortunes would have been quite different. I loved Marcus, I blame Marcus. The only good thing about that season was the visit to Pauley, for obvious reasons.
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Our fans were unreasonable. You know how hard it makes a coach’s job when people are calling for his firing publicly?

The crazy part was that we had no chance to bring in anyone significantly better. Norm, Lavin, Mullin and Anderson were not better.

The man was picking up 5* recruits in a station wagon. We had no facilities and no budget.

With all that, he still signed Lamont Hamilton, Elijah Ingram, and top 25 Showtime at the end to go with Quinton Hosley (averaged 18.6 pts per game first year with Fresno State) and Rodney Epperson.

He would made the tournament 10+ times if we let him coach until he retired.
 
carmineabbatiello said:
Wow! What a whitewash. This version completely downplays the players malfeasance in this matter. Also, doesn't mention Elijah's heroism in saving us from a likely program suspension, ncaa sanctions, players incarceration and g*d knows what else?
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Didn’t hooker say it was $600 they pulled $6?
Atleast they tried to negotiate!
 
Marillac2 said:
Our fans were unreasonable. You know how hard it makes a coach’s job when people are calling for his firing publicly?

The crazy part was that we had no chance to bring in anyone significantly better. Norm, Lavin, Mullin and Anderson were not better.

The man was picking up 5* recruits in a station wagon. We had no facilities and no budget.

With all that, he still signed Lamont Hamilton, Elijah Ingram, and top 25 Showtime at the end to go with Quinton Hosley (averaged 18.6 pts per game first year with Fresno State) and Rodney Epperson.

He would made the tournament 10+ times if we let him coach until he retired.
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Epperson had issues with his transfer records, right? I thought he had a smooth game, but unfortunately his time at St. John's was extremely brief.
 
MJDinkins said:
Epperson had issues with his transfer records, right? I thought he had a smooth game, but unfortunately his time at St. John's was extremely brief.
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Correct. He played a few games and then disappeared from school.

Those transfer records must have been a disaster, and since the school was still smarting over the Pittsburgh fiasco from the previous season, they were going to make certain Roberts kept Epperson as far away from the team as possible.

As an aside, I remember seeing his mom on the Q46 going to CA on game day.
 
Marillac2 said:
Our fans were unreasonable. You know how hard it makes a coach’s job when people are calling for his firing publicly?

The crazy part was that we had no chance to bring in anyone significantly better. Norm, Lavin, Mullin and Anderson were not better.

The man was picking up 5* recruits in a station wagon. We had no facilities and no budget.

With all that, he still signed Lamont Hamilton, Elijah Ingram, and top 25 Showtime at the end to go with Quinton Hosley (averaged 18.6 pts per game first year with Fresno State) and Rodney Epperson.

He would made the tournament 10+ times if we let him coach until he retired.
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That is not correct, with all due respect. We could have hired McKillop after Jarvis was fired. He wanted to come, and he was a far better coach than anyone between Carnesecca and Pitino - including Jarvis. Had he been hired after Jarvis, he would have been here 20 years and would rank on the same level as McGuire, Lapchick and Carnesecca.
 
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