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[1and1sju]

First off, I honestly do believe that people on this site put way too much into this program. Why? I'm a huge fan of the program and love college hoops in general, but I would never lose sleep or let it have that much of an impact on the rest of my life. And if you do let this team have that much of an impact on your life, then you really need to check your priorities. There is nothing wrong with being excited for a game or looking forward to a game....we all do it as fans. But after the game is over, why come on here and complain? All this board turns into is one poster trying to prove to another that they have the bigger balls. And most observations that are made by posters are things that my 10yr old son could figure out by watching our team once.

As for the game last night.....we sucked. No other way to say it. Other than Jordan, no one showed up to play. With that being said, last time I checked, the DeLorean has yet to be invented, so nothing the team says or does is going to change anything about last nights game. So they have two options, let this loss dwell on them and let it affect the rest of their season, or forget about it and move on.......I guess time will tell.

How do you know that the basketball team impacts any of our lives negatively?
And who are you to say any of us are too invested in the program??

 

[westchesterjoe]

First off, I honestly do believe that people on this site put way too much into this program. Why? I'm a huge fan of the program and love college hoops in general, but I would never lose sleep or let it have that much of an impact on the rest of my life. And if you do let this team have that much of an impact on your life, then you really need to check your priorities. There is nothing wrong with being excited for a game or looking forward to a game....we all do it as fans. But after the game is over, why come on here and complain? All this board turns into is one poster trying to prove to another that they have the bigger balls. And most observations that are made by posters are things that my 10yr old son could figure out by watching our team once.


As for the game last night.....we sucked. No other way to say it. Other than Jordan, no one showed up to play. With that being said, last time I checked, the DeLorean has yet to be invented, so nothing the team says or does is going to change anything about last nights game. So they have two options, let this loss dwell on them and let it affect the rest of their season, or forget about it and move on.......I guess time will tell.

Yeah, why would anyone post about the St. Johns BE tournament game on the redman.com site? Because we are all (or mostly all) fans with different levels of frustrations, opinions, needs to vent, share in the misery of defeat ,or exalt in joy of victory. It is a FAN site and I am so tired of posters like you coming on here with the arrogance to feel they can tell other posters what they should think or post, how they should react and how inportant something should be in their lives. I would contend YOU are the one who needs to get a life because why are you wasting your time reading posts you obviously think are a waste of time? And then compounding your waste of time by commenting on them. Agree, disagree, ignore posts, do what you want but stop telling other people how they should feel or express themselves. Or appoint yourself King of the World and see how many people you can get to follow your lead; my guess, very few.

Really agree here Logen. What makes this site tough to read at times is not the wide variance of opinions, even those that seem redundant or just plain crazy. I would think that's what you would expect when you come to a fan website (especially one as great as the one Paul runs here).

It's the constant pontificating on those various opinions and telling people how they should root that gets tiresome. Too optimistic, too pessimistic. Reality is everyone roots differently and they are allowed to do so. If folks would accept that, and just ignore whether they think someone is too positive or too negative, then we could spend more time discussing the actual coach/team instead of everyone's individual outlook on the coach/team.

I agree. This "Congress like " vitriol on both sides is tedious, repetitive & precludes meaningful and even light hearted exchanges.

Whopper, you are 100% right..When the kool aid crowd hi jacks every post different from their own opinions and tops it off with personal attacks that would make their grandmothers blush.

and, they pretty much hi jack both sites, here and the other one..

This team has achieved or not achieved whatever goals they set for themselves and we, as fans, can only express our opinion, on whether those goals were reached..
The Jury will not be out long on whether the majority of fans will make their evaluations based only on results, winning or losing is a good standard to use,or, continue to offer excuses, throw bouquets and in general,tell all, why they think this is the favorite group of ST jOHN'S PLAYERS ever!
And, why should any sort of evidence presented, wins and losses are again, the gold standard, be valued?

Despite others view that we are a lock for NCAA on Sunday, I remain uncertain, just my opinion as I'm dubious 6 BE teams get in. Xavier clinched their spot by Winning last night.

2 blow out losses are not the way to demonstrate a competency to the Selection Committee.

I also believe some sort of incident happened with Jordan and, the Eye Injuries of Harrison and Balamou haven't really been explained, not even in Lavinspeak..
And, how about Steve? And, his post game comments?

Finally, and this is the last word, I got Nostradomus on the phone last night. He and Lunardi were locked in a room but, he took my call.

I asked who would ST jOHN'S PLAY if they get in the tournament?

His answer? Robert Morris..

 

[TonyinFairfield]

First off, I honestly do believe that people on this site put way too much into this program. Why? I'm a huge fan of the program and love college hoops in general, but I would never lose sleep or let it have that much of an impact on the rest of my life. And if you do let this team have that much of an impact on your life, then you really need to check your priorities. There is nothing wrong with being excited for a game or looking forward to a game....we all do it as fans. But after the game is over, why come on here and complain? All this board turns into is one poster trying to prove to another that they have the bigger balls. And most observations that are made by posters are things that my 10yr old son could figure out by watching our team once.


As for the game last night.....we sucked. No other way to say it. Other than Jordan, no one showed up to play. With that being said, last time I checked, the DeLorean has yet to be invented, so nothing the team says or does is going to change anything about last nights game. So they have two options, let this loss dwell on them and let it affect the rest of their season, or forget about it and move on.......I guess time will tell.

Yeah, why would anyone post about the St. Johns BE tournament game on the redman.com site? Because we are all (or mostly all) fans with different levels of frustrations, opinions, needs to vent, share in the misery of defeat ,or exalt in joy of victory. It is a FAN site and I am so tired of posters like you coming on here with the arrogance to feel they can tell other posters what they should think or post, how they should react and how inportant something should be in their lives. I would contend YOU are the one who needs to get a life because why are you wasting your time reading posts you obviously think are a waste of time? And then compounding your waste of time by commenting on them. Agree, disagree, ignore posts, do what you want but stop telling other people how they should feel or express themselves. Or appoint yourself King of the World and see how many people you can get to follow your lead; my guess, very few.

Well said Logen. I think this is twice within a week I am agreeing with you! ;-)

As I'm sure with you, my priorities are in order. Thank God my health is good (although I could lose weight!), I'm happily married (at least from my perspective!), I have two sons who are doing well, I enjoy what I do for a living, etc etc. So yes, I can be emotional about this team, especially being a grad and a season ticket holder.

But I assure you Jumbo, if my life situation changes for the worse in any way, St. John's basketball would not be a high priority, and I would not eat, live and breathe this team.

SO I agree with Logen. Don't come on here and tell me that I need to get my priorities in order if I am way too attached to this team right now.

 

[OLV72]

I returned home from yesterday's games at 1 AM to find a notice from the IRS that I owed $9k in back taxes. It quickly moved the poor showing by the johnnies far from my mind. As much as we root like crazy for this program to reach the highest level, it won't improve our health, financial status or relationships. It's just a great diversion - one of the best one I ever found - with the added bonus of making good friends with some great fans of the program.

The good news on my temporary tax problem - one quick phone call to the IRS and the matter was resolved and closed with no cost outside of my raised blood pressure.

 

[Red.Fans]

I returned home from yesterday's games at 1 AM to find a notice from the IRS that I owed $9k in back taxes. It quickly moved the poor showing by the johnnies far from my mind. As much as we root like crazy for this program to reach the highest level, it won't improve our health, financial status or relationships. It's just a great diversion - one of the best one I ever found - with the added bonus of making good friends with some great fans of the program.

The good news on my temporary tax problem - one quick phone call to the IRS and the matter was resolved and closed with no cost outside of my raised blood pressure.

Sounds like a made up story. You had me until the part about the "quick phone call to the IRS"

 

[monte]

Today's performance was inexcusable. Losing is one thing. Getting blown out in what could have been a statement win by a senior laden team is a whole other. Very very disappointed in these kids. Expected so much more. Lavin coached the kind of game that I've come to expect. That is he is when things got tough, he was clueless as to how to prevent the wheels from completely falling off. Not starting Jordan yet another head scratching move. There are no silver linings to take from this performance. Being able to rest for a week or so before the next game means nothing. If we get blown out next week people will use the excuse that we were rusty because we had a week off. Just hoping the kids can put this behind them and win a game or two in the big dance, but not holding my breath. Apathy setting in.

Silver lining was Jordan's play. He did some good things and tried to take over without forcing too much. He's the player we've been expecting coming at a great time, but unless the senior step up it is meaningless for this season and he's probably not returning.

Agreed on Jordan's play. But I was actually referring to those who found a silver lining in this loss. IE "this will motivate the kids to play harder in their next game", "the time off will give the injured kids a chance to rest", "maybe now they won't be overly confident heading in to the tourmy" etc. While anything is possible, especially with this team, it sure as hell would have been nice for these kids to go in to the tourny with a nice head of steam, instead of coming off 2 blowout losses.

 

[TonyinFairfield]

I returned home from yesterday's games at 1 AM to find a notice from the IRS that I owed $9k in back taxes. It quickly moved the poor showing by the johnnies far from my mind. As much as we root like crazy for this program to reach the highest level, it won't improve our health, financial status or relationships. It's just a great diversion - one of the best one I ever found - with the added bonus of making good friends with some great fans of the program.

The good news on my temporary tax problem - one quick phone call to the IRS and the matter was resolved and closed with no cost outside of my raised blood pressure.

Sounds like a made up story. You had me until the part about the "quick phone call to the IRS"

I thought the same thing. But hey, Paul, maybe he "knows people!"

 

[OLV72]

I returned home from yesterday's games at 1 AM to find a notice from the IRS that I owed $9k in back taxes. It quickly moved the poor showing by the johnnies far from my mind. As much as we root like crazy for this program to reach the highest level, it won't improve our health, financial status or relationships. It's just a great diversion - one of the best one I ever found - with the added bonus of making good friends with some great fans of the program.

The good news on my temporary tax problem - one quick phone call to the IRS and the matter was resolved and closed with no cost outside of my raised blood pressure.

Sounds like a made up story. You had me until the part about the "quick phone call to the IRS"

I thought the same thing. But hey, Paul, maybe he "knows people!"

If you don't believe me, I can show the notice to weatherman and NYC Redmen at tonight's games and they can vouch for me. I have a renewed faith in our federal government - ten minute phone call for an oral resolution - closed matter confirmation in the mail.

 

[Jack Williams]

All this board turns into is one poster trying to prove to another that they have the bigger balls.
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Ok "jumbo peanuts"

 

[paultzman]

I returned home from yesterday's games at 1 AM to find a notice from the IRS that I owed $9k in back taxes. It quickly moved the poor showing by the johnnies far from my mind. As much as we root like crazy for this program to reach the highest level, it won't improve our health, financial status or relationships. It's just a great diversion - one of the best one I ever found - with the added bonus of making good friends with some great fans of the program.

The good news on my temporary tax problem - one quick phone call to the IRS and the matter was resolved and closed with no cost outside of my raised blood pressure.

Told you not to get greedy maximizing Adonis bobble head doll depreciation so much. It was bound to attract attention.

 

[room112]

All this board turns into is one poster trying to prove to another that they have the bigger balls.
.

Ok "jumbo peanuts"

LoL!!

 

[monte]

The thing I am most pissed about, is today robbed me of my will to watch any other basketball game the rest of the day and this is my favorite time of year for sports

I am finally over the game. I am watching Xavier and Butller. Nice matchup between two well coached teams.

Posters can criticize me for my low opinion of Lavin all they want but the difference between the way Butller, Xavier and even Creighton played yesterday and the way we played was stark and imo revealing. They all played with a sense of purpose, poise, and a togetherness that we again in another meaningful, important game just didn't display at all. Progress, not hardly. This group of players oerachieved this year because of the lack of size and depth and maybe yesterday was the same old, same old in a big game or maybe they just have run out of gas mentally. I don't know but a successful college coach has to build a program, a program with an identity and sustainability. Progress? I just don't see it and never have. I have enjoyed this year and hope to keep enjoying it for another week or two but to me it is about the players; not any feeling we have a built or are building anything resembling a program which is the only way real progress can be meansured.

Playing devils advocate is easy on this Forum. We understand the low opinion of Lavin. It gets a lot of gas from blowhards on social media like Twitter on a daily basis. The RickyBaldiTheoAvonSammy jabs are entertaining. These visionaries see the only solution in the coaching conundrum as hiring another "savior" from rinky dink Manhattan College. Perhaps the commonality is a pathological personality defect or the entertaining side show that younger fans think is coaching. The other candidate is Danny Hurley. Now that's thinking big! Just that it isn't.
When you say it is about the players I agree but the same critics blasting Lavin can't heap praise on these seniors, some of whom misguidingly describe them as pro-level potential players under coached by Lavin yet complain that they have not made progress in their next sentence. Our players, while talented, all have flaws that could not be coached out of them in the long run. They exhibited improvement in short bursts but the lipstick eventually wears off especially in big games.
These are players that needed summer boot camps like academic students need summer school. They fail to take advantage of practice during the year and have to then catch up during the summer.
Players like Harrison and Obekpa needed summer attitude adjustments along with skills tutorials.
Phil Greene reached his potential and on any other team would have been a valuable substitute. Dom Pointer was slow to develop only because he is such a poor shooter. So yes, it is about the players but not only the current St. John's players but those that should have been part of this group that drastically reduced the quality of the product Lavin and company worked to assemble. Players like Harkless, Sampson and soon Jordan and Obekpa along with missing pieces like Gathers and Thomas would have made the Lavin legacy appear much more successful even though on paper he has not been unsuccessful and maybe just unlucky with his players.
With Lavin it is more about missing recruiting opportunities in one critical year that affected the so called sustainability of the program than his senior players letting him down big time in big games like yesterday. These seniors shot 28% and went over TEN minutes without a field goal. Missing shots, including chippies under the basket and a record number of air balls is not about coaching. It is about mental toughness and natural skills. Lavin has failed to recruit the right mix of players that can blend seamlessly into a game and contribute like a Butler or Villanova or even a Providence. Yes, it is more about the players than his x and o coaching that has him in contract limbo and if the RickyBaldiTheoAvonSammy get their wish and a new coach is hired I hope that the search committee recognizes that lying deceiving characters like Masiello who returned to Manhattan in shame are not what any forward thinking supporters have in mind for achieving long term stability.

Agree with most of what you're saying, however all players have flaws. That's why recruiting a balanced roster, not just a bunch of 6'3-6'8" athletes, is imperative if you want to have a successful team//program. This team has no true PG, no true consistent outside shooter, and no real inside presence. And look at who we have coming in so far next year. Glad we got the three commits, but it looks like much of the same ole same ole. More 6'3"-6'5" 2 guards.. I don't care what anyone says, recruiting a balanced roster of Big East level players should not be this difficult! Especially not for someone who's strength is supposed to be his recruiting.

 

[Jack Williams]

The thing I am most pissed about, is today robbed me of my will to watch any other basketball game the rest of the day and this is my favorite time of year for sports

I am finally over the game. I am watching Xavier and Butller. Nice matchup between two well coached teams.

Posters can criticize me for my low opinion of Lavin all they want but the difference between the way Butller, Xavier and even Creighton played yesterday and the way we played was stark and imo revealing. They all played with a sense of purpose, poise, and a togetherness that we again in another meaningful, important game just didn't display at all. Progress, not hardly. This group of players oerachieved this year because of the lack of size and depth and maybe yesterday was the same old, same old in a big game or maybe they just have run out of gas mentally. I don't know but a successful college coach has to build a program, a program with an identity and sustainability. Progress? I just don't see it and never have. I have enjoyed this year and hope to keep enjoying it for another week or two but to me it is about the players; not any feeling we have a built or are building anything resembling a program which is the only way real progress can be meansured.

Playing devils advocate is easy on this Forum. We understand the low opinion of Lavin. It gets a lot of gas from blowhards on social media like Twitter on a daily basis. The RickyBaldiTheoAvonSammy jabs are entertaining. These visionaries see the only solution in the coaching conundrum as hiring another "savior" from rinky dink Manhattan College. Perhaps the commonality is a pathological personality defect or the entertaining side show that younger fans think is coaching. The other candidate is Danny Hurley. Now that's thinking big! Just that it isn't.
When you say it is about the players I agree but the same critics blasting Lavin can't heap praise on these seniors, some of whom misguidingly describe them as pro-level potential players under coached by Lavin yet complain that they have not made progress in their next sentence. Our players, while talented, all have flaws that could not be coached out of them in the long run. They exhibited improvement in short bursts but the lipstick eventually wears off especially in big games.
These are players that needed summer boot camps like academic students need summer school. They fail to take advantage of practice during the year and have to then catch up during the summer.
Players like Harrison and Obekpa needed summer attitude adjustments along with skills tutorials.
Phil Greene reached his potential and on any other team would have been a valuable substitute. Dom Pointer was slow to develop only because he is such a poor shooter. So yes, it is about the players but not only the current St. John's players but those that should have been part of this group that drastically reduced the quality of the product Lavin and company worked to assemble. Players like Harkless, Sampson and soon Jordan and Obekpa along with missing pieces like Gathers and Thomas would have made the Lavin legacy appear much more successful even though on paper he has not been unsuccessful and maybe just unlucky with his players.
With Lavin it is more about missing recruiting opportunities in one critical year that affected the so called sustainability of the program than his senior players letting him down big time in big games like yesterday. These seniors shot 28% and went over TEN minutes without a field goal. Missing shots, including chippies under the basket and a record number of air balls is not about coaching. It is about mental toughness and natural skills. Lavin has failed to recruit the right mix of players that can blend seamlessly into a game and contribute like a Butler or Villanova or even a Providence. Yes, it is more about the players than his x and o coaching that has him in contract limbo and if the RickyBaldiTheoAvonSammy get their wish and a new coach is hired I hope that the search committee recognizes that lying deceiving characters like Masiello who returned to Manhattan in shame are not what any forward thinking supporters have in mind for achieving long term stability.

Agree with most of what you're saying, however all players have flaws. That's why recruiting a balanced roster, not just a bunch of 6'3-6'8" athletes, is imperative if you want to have a successful team//program. This team has no true PG, no true consistent outside shooter, and no real inside presence. And look at who we have coming in so far next year. Glad we got the three commits, but it looks like much of the same ole same ole. More 6'3"-6'5" 2 guards.. I don't care what anyone says, recruiting a balanced roster of Big East level players should not be this difficult! Especially not for someone who's strength is supposed to be his recruiting.

At this point I wish Lavin just got some verbals from temple Gibbs and other 16 studs so we could suffer through next year knowing there is help on the way much like Marquette this year

 

[lawmanfan]

Posters can criticize me for my low opinion of Lavin all they want but the difference between the way Butller, Xavier and even Creighton played yesterday and the way we played was stark and imo revealing. They all played with a sense of purpose, poise, and a togetherness that we again in another meaningful, important game just didn't display at all. Progress, not hardly. This group of players oerachieved this year because of the lack of size and depth and maybe yesterday was the same old, same old in a big game or maybe they just have run out of gas mentally. I don't know but a successful college coach has to build a program, a program with an identity and sustainability. Progress? I just don't see it and never have. I have enjoyed this year and hope to keep enjoying it for another week or two but to me it is about the players; not any feeling we have a built or are building anything resembling a program which is the only way real progress can be meansured.

succinct, accurate, and spot on.

 

[beast of the east]

Posters can criticize me for my low opinion of Lavin all they want but the difference between the way Butller, Xavier and even Creighton played yesterday and the way we played was stark and imo revealing. They all played with a sense of purpose, poise, and a togetherness that we again in another meaningful, important game just didn't display at all. Progress, not hardly. This group of players oerachieved this year because of the lack of size and depth and maybe yesterday was the same old, same old in a big game or maybe they just have run out of gas mentally. I don't know but a successful college coach has to build a program, a program with an identity and sustainability. Progress? I just don't see it and never have. I have enjoyed this year and hope to keep enjoying it for another week or two but to me it is about the players; not any feeling we have a built or are building anything resembling a program which is the only way real progress can be meansured.

succinct, accurate, and spot on.

Except to say that when they play well, they have expert analysts saying they would be a very dangerous tourney team that can beat anyone. These guys CAN play ball, they just unravel a little easier than most good teams - ok, a lot easier.

 

[Knight]

I returned home from yesterday's games at 1 AM to find a notice from the IRS that I owed $9k in back taxes. It quickly moved the poor showing by the johnnies far from my mind. As much as we root like crazy for this program to reach the highest level, it won't improve our health, financial status or relationships. It's just a great diversion - one of the best one I ever found - with the added bonus of making good friends with some great fans of the program.

The good news on my temporary tax problem - one quick phone call to the IRS and the matter was resolved and closed with no cost outside of my raised blood pressure.

Can you send Lavin some plays for our opening game?

 

[Marillac]

The thing I am most pissed about, is today robbed me of my will to watch any other basketball game the rest of the day and this is my favorite time of year for sports

I am finally over the game. I am watching Xavier and Butller. Nice matchup between two well coached teams.

Posters can criticize me for my low opinion of Lavin all they want but the difference between the way Butller, Xavier and even Creighton played yesterday and the way we played was stark and imo revealing. They all played with a sense of purpose, poise, and a togetherness that we again in another meaningful, important game just didn't display at all. Progress, not hardly. This group of players oerachieved this year because of the lack of size and depth and maybe yesterday was the same old, same old in a big game or maybe they just have run out of gas mentally. I don't know but a successful college coach has to build a program, a program with an identity and sustainability. Progress? I just don't see it and never have. I have enjoyed this year and hope to keep enjoying it for another week or two but to me it is about the players; not any feeling we have a built or are building anything resembling a program which is the only way real progress can be meansured.

Look who's back.

 

[paultzman]

The thing I am most pissed about, is today robbed me of my will to watch any other basketball game the rest of the day and this is my favorite time of year for sports

I am finally over the game. I am watching Xavier and Butller. Nice matchup between two well coached teams.

Posters can criticize me for my low opinion of Lavin all they want but the difference between the way Butller, Xavier and even Creighton played yesterday and the way we played was stark and imo revealing. They all played with a sense of purpose, poise, and a togetherness that we again in another meaningful, important game just didn't display at all. Progress, not hardly. This group of players oerachieved this year because of the lack of size and depth and maybe yesterday was the same old, same old in a big game or maybe they just have run out of gas mentally. I don't know but a successful college coach has to build a program, a program with an identity and sustainability. Progress? I just don't see it and never have. I have enjoyed this year and hope to keep enjoying it for another week or two but to me it is about the players; not any feeling we have a built or are building anything resembling a program which is the only way real progress can be meansured.

Look who's back.

Enjoy his posts although we may differ at times. Why bust his chops?

 

[salty dog]

The thing I am most pissed about, is today robbed me of my will to watch any other basketball game the rest of the day and this is my favorite time of year for sports

I am finally over the game. I am watching Xavier and Butller. Nice matchup between two well coached teams.

Posters can criticize me for my low opinion of Lavin all they want but the difference between the way Butller, Xavier and even Creighton played yesterday and the way we played was stark and imo revealing. They all played with a sense of purpose, poise, and a togetherness that we again in another meaningful, important game just didn't display at all. Progress, not hardly. This group of players oerachieved this year because of the lack of size and depth and maybe yesterday was the same old, same old in a big game or maybe they just have run out of gas mentally. I don't know but a successful college coach has to build a program, a program with an identity and sustainability. Progress? I just don't see it and never have. I have enjoyed this year and hope to keep enjoying it for another week or two but to me it is about the players; not any feeling we have a built or are building anything resembling a program which is the only way real progress can be meansured.

Playing devils advocate is easy on this Forum. We understand the low opinion of Lavin. It gets a lot of gas from blowhards on social media like Twitter on a daily basis. The RickyBaldiTheoAvonSammy jabs are entertaining. These visionaries see the only solution in the coaching conundrum as hiring another "savior" from rinky dink Manhattan College. Perhaps the commonality is a pathological personality defect or the entertaining side show that younger fans think is coaching. The other candidate is Danny Hurley. Now that's thinking big! Just that it isn't.
When you say it is about the players I agree but the same critics blasting Lavin can't heap praise on these seniors, some of whom misguidingly describe them as pro-level potential players under coached by Lavin yet complain that they have not made progress in their next sentence. Our players, while talented, all have flaws that could not be coached out of them in the long run. They exhibited improvement in short bursts but the lipstick eventually wears off especially in big games.
These are players that needed summer boot camps like academic students need summer school. They fail to take advantage of practice during the year and have to then catch up during the summer.
Players like Harrison and Obekpa needed summer attitude adjustments along with skills tutorials.
Phil Greene reached his potential and on any other team would have been a valuable substitute. Dom Pointer was slow to develop only because he is such a poor shooter. So yes, it is about the players but not only the current St. John's players but those that should have been part of this group that drastically reduced the quality of the product Lavin and company worked to assemble. Players like Harkless, Sampson and soon Jordan and Obekpa along with missing pieces like Gathers and Thomas would have made the Lavin legacy appear much more successful even though on paper he has not been unsuccessful and maybe just unlucky with his players.
With Lavin it is more about missing recruiting opportunities in one critical year that affected the so called sustainability of the program than his senior players letting him down big time in big games like yesterday. These seniors shot 28% and went over TEN minutes without a field goal. Missing shots, including chippies under the basket and a record number of air balls is not about coaching. It is about mental toughness and natural skills. Lavin has failed to recruit the right mix of players that can blend seamlessly into a game and contribute like a Butler or Villanova or even a Providence. Yes, it is more about the players than his x and o coaching that has him in contract limbo and if the RickyBaldiTheoAvonSammy get their wish and a new coach is hired I hope that the search committee recognizes that lying deceiving characters like Masiello who returned to Manhattan in shame are not what any forward thinking supporters have in mind for achieving long term stability.

I would rather not be lumped with anyone else when discussing almost any issue on this forum. My feelings are my own and I am part of no group who may have similar views for their own reasons. I think Lavin should be replaced because I THINK he has done a lousy job building a program, has not shown any consistency or sustained effort in his recruiting, and consider him to be below average in player development, team preparation and in-game coaching. These are my opinions, no one elses. Further, I have not commented on potential replacements except to say I do not believe either Hurley brother would take a job at SJU. That is my opinion only and I have expresed it here because I know both of them (although not well by any means) but I don't think either has a very high opinion of SJU, partially because of the negative experiences both St. Anthony players have had here in the somewhat recent past and the feeling that SJU still remains a somewhat closed Mom and Pop operation. Could I be wrong in my belief that neither would come here? Certainly, no question. But I have not discussed any other coaches on this site because there are a myriad of factors that will go into that kind of career decision for anyone that I have no insight into; I think the speculation that this guy will come or that guy will come without personal knowledge are nonsense. The only opinion I have expressed regarding a replacement is that I believe we need a roll up the sleeves, blue collar X's and O's oriented guy who will be able to and interested in recruiting NY and NJ. So please don't lump me with Maven or anyone else, their opinions and positions are not mine nor mine theirs.

Funny, but the guy your describe is Williard. Imagine if you were a SH fan and he was your coach.
He personifies what you perceive as ideal. I wonder how you would feel about him. Like now after his 5th year.

 

[41ndone]

I don't get it. People here complain about the lack of fan support. Yet here we are, on a rabid fan board, and many posters are throwing in the towel, and calling the team an embarrassment. I think the people here are the embarrassment. I don't think the team phoned it in. They lack depth and size, and look like a bunch of guys that are out of gas from all the effort and drama surrounding the team. I hope they make the dance and play well. Did anyone think this team was winning any tourney, let alone the big one? This team needed a few big , strong bodies. We had 2 that didn't qualify. Everything we did after was pure gravy by a very hungry, overachieving team.

THANK YOU

the only thing more pathetic then the way we played today was this boards reaction. Throwing in the towel on these seniors four days before they finally make their first NCAA tournament. So laughable. Terrible performance today but people saying they don't deserve a bid are crazy. Don't throw away the last month and a half of great basketball just because of two bad games against good teams.

That's what several of 'em always do. Mainly, to take a direct or indirect shot at the coach. Before someone mentions anything about being a "Lavin apologist" or some other silly arse colloquialism for rooting on the coach.... Far from it. I don't care who's coaching the team. Just win! Anyway.... Heck! Some folks have even went as far to shoot down a player or two.

A friend of mine invited me out to watch the Hoyas/Bluejays game (as, he's a Hoya fan). I pulled out my phone, and allowed him to read some of this stuff from the board, and the first thing he said (chuckling), "Some people take this shite too seriously."

There are several guy's (only a handful, though) on here who, like me, wanna win (and, win BIG), but put's stuff in perspective. Y'all know who y'all are.

6195 posts , and you don't take this too seriously?