(PRE GAME) BYU, Wed., Dec. 2, 5p, ESPN-2 / 970 AM WNYM

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[quote="Paultzman" post=404983]St Johns opens as a 2-point underdog tomorrow against BYU. Considering BYU poor play today, this line has to move, no?

Tempting to Johnny fans who gamble[/quote]

This is terrifying. Vegas is begging u to take the Johnnies. Its a sucker bet.

Im highly concerned about this game now as vegas likes byu tomorrow.
 
For Zaun something came across my email today re: ESPN

Villanova-Arizona State led all college basketball games on cable TV Thanksgiving day, averaging 901,000 viewers on ESPN in the 9:30pm window, notes SBJ's Austin Karp. That game also was the most-watched sports telecast on cable TV for the day. Coming in at No. 2 was New Mexico-Utah State on FS1, which averaged 708,000 viewers. That marks FS1's best Mountain West college hoops game on record.
 
[quote="Moose" post=405023]For Zaun something came across my email today re: ESPN

Villanova-Arizona State led all college basketball games on cable TV Thanksgiving day, averaging 901,000 viewers on ESPN in the 9:30pm window, notes SBJ's Austin Karp. That game also was the most-watched sports telecast on cable TV for the day. Coming in at No. 2 was New Mexico-Utah State on FS1, which averaged 708,000 viewers. That marks FS1's best Mountain West college hoops game on record.[/quote]

Pretty cool thanks...impressive
 
[quote="Mean Gene" post=405028]How is Roberts? We can use his length tomorrow.[/quote]

Was wondering the same. He’s a good kid and for his sake, I hope it’s not serious.
 
I'm going with 117-111 in triple OT. I was initially going to predict something crazy, but decided to keep things reasonable.
 
MCNPA Wrote: USC is long and tall but I didn’t think they were particularly fast in the open court. Certainly a lot bigger than we are but our speed is a lot different than USC. Again, it won’t be an easy game, but BYU got TONS of good looks from all over.

USC has incredible inside talent in the Mobley Brothers.

Isaiah Mobley is 6' 10" and was a five star recruit and a McDonald's All American. He was the 16th rated prospect in the entire country in 2019. He most probably will be playing in the NBA someday in the future and was a higher rated recruit than anyone to come to St. John's since we brought in Ron (Metta World Peace) Artest during the end of the last century.

Little brother Evan Mobley is 7' 0" and was the number three rated recruit in the entire country in 2020. He is projected to be a high lottery pick in the upcoming 2021 NBA draft. BYU will likely not face a more formidable pair of big men than the Mobley Brothers this season.

Here is a draft profile of Evan Mobley projecting him to go #3 in the 2021 NBA draft:
#3. C, Evan Mobley
Ht./Wt.: 7-0, 210
This season: Freshman, USC

Mobley is an elite shot-blocker who moves extremely well for a player his size. He is solid in the pick-and-pop option and a little bit of an anomaly due to his size and the way he can handle the ball. He has a 7-foot-5 wingspan and averaged 18.6 points, 10.9 rebounds and 2.7 blocks per game at Rancho Christian High School.


I believe Posh and our pressing team athleticism and speed will create some real problems for BYU but these are not the same type of problems that the elite size, length and athleticism of USC's frontline presented. Hopefully we will turn them over quite a bit and score off our defense and in transition. Our inside players Moore, Roberts and Toro are pretty serviceable but are hardly elite level talents on the level of the Mobley Brothers.

During our first three games we have struggled somewhat on the defensive interior and preventing three point shots. Through three games we have allowed 26 made threes and our opponents are making them at a very good 36%. I suspect tomorrow's game will not be the type of blowout that today's game was. The Matchup with USC was a bad one for BYU. Hopefully we will present problems related to our own unique skill set and come out with a nice win.
 
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[quote="ghostzapper" post=405032]MCNPA Wrote: USC is long and tall but I didn’t think they were particularly fast in the open court. Certainly a lot bigger than we are but our speed is a lot different than USC. Again, it won’t be an easy game, but BYU got TONS of good looks from all over.

USC has incredible inside talent in the Mobley Brothers.

Isaiah Mobley is 6' 10" and was a five star recruit and a McDonald's All American. He was the 16th rated prospect in the entire country in 2019. He most probably will be playing in the NBA someday in the future and was a higher rated recruit than anyone to come to St. John's since we brought in Ron (Metta World Peace) Artest during the end of the last century.

Little brother Evan Mobley is 7' 0" and was the number three rated recruit in the entire country in 2020. He is projected to be a high lottery pick in the upcoming 2021 NBA draft. BYU will likely not face a more formidable pair of big men than the Mobley Brothers this season.

Here is a draft profile of Evan Mobley projecting him to go #3 in the 2021 NBA draft:
#3. C, Evan Mobley
Ht./Wt.: 7-0, 210
This season: Freshman, USC

Mobley is an elite shot-blocker who moves extremely well for a player his size. He is solid in the pick-and-pop option and a little bit of an anomaly due to his size and the way he can handle the ball. He has a 7-foot-5 wingspan and averaged 18.6 points, 10.9 rebounds and 2.7 blocks per game at Rancho Christian High School.


I believe Posh and our pressing team athleticism and speed will create some real problems for BYU but these are not the same type of problems that the elite size, length and athleticism of USC's frontline presented. Hopefully we will turn them over quite a bit and score off our defense and in transition. Our inside players Moore, Roberts and Toro are pretty serviceable but are hardly elite level talents on the level of the Mobley Brothers.

During our first three games we have struggled somewhat on the defensive interior and preventing three point shots. Through three games we have allowed 26 made threes and our opponents are making them at a very good 36%. I suspect tomorrow's game will not be the type of blowout that today's game was. The Matchup with USC was a bad one for BYU. Hopefully we will present problems related to our own unique skill set and come out with a nice win.[/quote]

I can tell you didn’t see the game. You can talk about the stats but BYU was not met by some crazy formidable defense as much as your stats seem to indicate. Go watch the game. BYU had open shot after open shot, inside and outside. USC had only 4 blocks and 3 steals and their defense wasn’t as impressive as your paper report. This bigs grabbed a bunch of boards for sure but it was more of a function of BYU’s play. I’m sure usc has a nice roster but that’s not the primary driver in BYU’s loss. FWIW, the average overall 3-point percentage in NCAA is 34.4%, so their 36% is also about average. SJU is shooting 35.3...;-)
 
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MCNPA Wrote: I can tell you didn’t see the game. You can talk about the stats but BYU was not met by some crazy formidable defense as much as your stats seem to indicate. Go watch the game. BYU had open shot after open shot, inside and outside. USC had only 4 blocks and 3 steals and their defense wasn’t as impressive as your paper report. This bigs grabbed a bunch of boards for sure but it was more of a function of BYU’s play. I’m sure usc has a nice roster but that’s not the primary driver in BYU’s loss. FWIW, the average overall 3-point percentage in NCAA is 34.4%, so their 36% is also about average. SJU is shooting 35.3...;-)

FWIW I did watch the whole game. I just guess we saw it differently. I saw a team that was sped up and had trouble handling a defense matchup of size athleticism and quickness that made them shoot poorly and you saw a team that was just missing open shots. Perhaps the truth lies in the middle somewhere. This is a debate between us that probably has no definitive answer.
 
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Can't take BYU lightly at all. We know they will easily shoot 3's on us. The only way we win comfortably is if we defend 3's well and force an ungodly amount of turnovers. If we cannot score a ton on fast breaks, how are we going to score in half court against a bunch of mammoths?
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=405040]Can't take BYU lightly at all. We know they will easily shoot 3's on us. The only way we win comfortably is if we defend 3's well and force an ungodly amount of turnovers. If we cannot score a ton on fast breaks, how are we going to score in half court against a bunch of mammoths?[/quote]

There is not a team on our schedule all year that we can afford to take lightly. I trust that CMA drills that message in to the kids' heads constantly
 
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[quote="ghostzapper" post=405036]MCNPA Wrote: I can tell you didn’t see the game. You can talk about the stats but BYU was not met by some crazy formidable defense as much as your stats seem to indicate. Go watch the game. BYU had open shot after open shot, inside and outside. USC had only 4 blocks and 3 steals and their defense wasn’t as impressive as your paper report. This bigs grabbed a bunch of boards for sure but it was more of a function of BYU’s play. I’m sure usc has a nice roster but that’s not the primary driver in BYU’s loss. FWIW, the average overall 3-point percentage in NCAA is 34.4%, so their 36% is also about average. SJU is shooting 35.3...;-)

FWIW I did watch the whole game. I just guess we saw it differently. I saw a team that was sped up and had trouble handling a defense matchup of size athleticism and quickness that made them shoot poorly and you saw a team that was just missing open shots. Perhaps the truth lies in the middle somewhere. This is a debate between us that probably has no definitive answer.[/quote]

Agree but if you saw the game, you saw how many totally uncontested shots they missed. Not saying it’s gonna happen tomorrow, but this was not a stalwart defensive effort.

“ BYU went 9-37 from the field and just 2-16 from three in the half. BYU ended the half with just one field goal on nineteen attempts and did not score in the last 4:49 of the half.” That was only the first half.
 
[quote="Monte" post=405050][quote="Mike Zaun" post=405040]Can't take BYU lightly at all. We know they will easily shoot 3's on us. The only way we win comfortably is if we defend 3's well and force an ungodly amount of turnovers. If we cannot score a ton on fast breaks, how are we going to score in half court against a bunch of mammoths?[/quote]

There is not a team on our schedule all year that we can afford to take lightly. I trust that CMA drills that message in to the kids' heads constantly[/quote]

"Taking teams lightly" is basically fan speak. It rarely, if at all, happens in competition or competitive sports.
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=405035][quote="ghostzapper" post=405032]MCNPA Wrote: USC is long and tall but I didn’t think they were particularly fast in the open court. Certainly a lot bigger than we are but our speed is a lot different than USC. Again, it won’t be an easy game, but BYU got TONS of good looks from all over.

USC has incredible inside talent in the Mobley Brothers.

Isaiah Mobley is 6' 10" and was a five star recruit and a McDonald's All American. He was the 16th rated prospect in the entire country in 2019. He most probably will be playing in the NBA someday in the future and was a higher rated recruit than anyone to come to St. John's since we brought in Ron (Metta World Peace) Artest during the end of the last century.

Little brother Evan Mobley is 7' 0" and was the number three rated recruit in the entire country in 2020. He is projected to be a high lottery pick in the upcoming 2021 NBA draft. BYU will likely not face a more formidable pair of big men than the Mobley Brothers this season.

Here is a draft profile of Evan Mobley projecting him to go #3 in the 2021 NBA draft:
#3. C, Evan Mobley
Ht./Wt.: 7-0, 210
This season: Freshman, USC

Mobley is an elite shot-blocker who moves extremely well for a player his size. He is solid in the pick-and-pop option and a little bit of an anomaly due to his size and the way he can handle the ball. He has a 7-foot-5 wingspan and averaged 18.6 points, 10.9 rebounds and 2.7 blocks per game at Rancho Christian High School.


I believe Posh and our pressing team athleticism and speed will create some real problems for BYU but these are not the same type of problems that the elite size, length and athleticism of USC's frontline presented. Hopefully we will turn them over quite a bit and score off our defense and in transition. Our inside players Moore, Roberts and Toro are pretty serviceable but are hardly elite level talents on the level of the Mobley Brothers.

During our first three games we have struggled somewhat on the defensive interior and preventing three point shots. Through three games we have allowed 26 made threes and our opponents are making them at a very good 36%. I suspect tomorrow's game will not be the type of blowout that today's game was. The Matchup with USC was a bad one for BYU. Hopefully we will present problems related to our own unique skill set and come out with a nice win.[/quote]

I can tell you didn’t see the game. You can talk about the stats but BYU was not met by some crazy formidable defense as much as your stats seem to indicate. Go watch the game. BYU had open shot after open shot, inside and outside. USC had only 4 blocks and 3 steals and their defense wasn’t as impressive as your paper report. This bigs grabbed a bunch of boards for sure but it was more of a function of BYU’s play. I’m sure usc has a nice roster but that’s not the primary driver in BYU’s loss. FWIW, the average overall 3-point percentage in NCAA is 34.4%, so their 36% is also about average. SJU is shooting 35.3...;-)[/quote]

You seem to think games are the same one game to the next and it is just not so. It is about matchups and how teams perform that game. Which 3 point shooter is Cole; the 5 for 6 one against St Peters or the 1 for 10 since? The answer again is both. You know, any given day, that’s why they play the games, etc. The idea that we are a “lock” against virtually any decent D1 school is ludicrous. We are three games in to a season with a new, largely inexperienced team with a credible but somewhat fragile 3-0 record.
Another question, what would be the feeling toward Alexander be had he either been called for a double dribble prior to Cole’s 3 against St Peters or the loose ball hadn’t rolled to Williams, followed by the last 2 minute meltdown of both he and Williams against BC?
That he was an extremely talented but at this point a largely one speed, inexperienced point guard that had played very, very well but had some things to learn, mostly things that only going through game experiences like that could teach? Which is exactly what he is.
IMO, we shouldn’t be getting too high or low at this point because we have “proven” nothing except we are on an upward trajectory as a program. How steep that trajectory is remains to be seen
But knowing the pedigree of the BYU program I would be surprised if they don’t play very well tonight. Hopefully, we will too. But our propensity for giving up open 3’s makes this a potentially very bad matchup; we shall see.
 
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[quote="Logen" post=405064][quote="MCNPA" post=405035][quote="ghostzapper" post=405032]MCNPA Wrote: USC is long and tall but I didn’t think they were particularly fast in the open court. Certainly a lot bigger than we are but our speed is a lot different than USC. Again, it won’t be an easy game, but BYU got TONS of good looks from all over.

USC has incredible inside talent in the Mobley Brothers.

Isaiah Mobley is 6' 10" and was a five star recruit and a McDonald's All American. He was the 16th rated prospect in the entire country in 2019. He most probably will be playing in the NBA someday in the future and was a higher rated recruit than anyone to come to St. John's since we brought in Ron (Metta World Peace) Artest during the end of the last century.

Little brother Evan Mobley is 7' 0" and was the number three rated recruit in the entire country in 2020. He is projected to be a high lottery pick in the upcoming 2021 NBA draft. BYU will likely not face a more formidable pair of big men than the Mobley Brothers this season.

Here is a draft profile of Evan Mobley projecting him to go #3 in the 2021 NBA draft:
#3. C, Evan Mobley
Ht./Wt.: 7-0, 210
This season: Freshman, USC

Mobley is an elite shot-blocker who moves extremely well for a player his size. He is solid in the pick-and-pop option and a little bit of an anomaly due to his size and the way he can handle the ball. He has a 7-foot-5 wingspan and averaged 18.6 points, 10.9 rebounds and 2.7 blocks per game at Rancho Christian High School.


I believe Posh and our pressing team athleticism and speed will create some real problems for BYU but these are not the same type of problems that the elite size, length and athleticism of USC's frontline presented. Hopefully we will turn them over quite a bit and score off our defense and in transition. Our inside players Moore, Roberts and Toro are pretty serviceable but are hardly elite level talents on the level of the Mobley Brothers.

During our first three games we have struggled somewhat on the defensive interior and preventing three point shots. Through three games we have allowed 26 made threes and our opponents are making them at a very good 36%. I suspect tomorrow's game will not be the type of blowout that today's game was. The Matchup with USC was a bad one for BYU. Hopefully we will present problems related to our own unique skill set and come out with a nice win.[/quote]

I can tell you didn’t see the game. You can talk about the stats but BYU was not met by some crazy formidable defense as much as your stats seem to indicate. Go watch the game. BYU had open shot after open shot, inside and outside. USC had only 4 blocks and 3 steals and their defense wasn’t as impressive as your paper report. This bigs grabbed a bunch of boards for sure but it was more of a function of BYU’s play. I’m sure usc has a nice roster but that’s not the primary driver in BYU’s loss. FWIW, the average overall 3-point percentage in NCAA is 34.4%, so their 36% is also about average. SJU is shooting 35.3...;-)[/quote]

You seem to think games are the same one game to the next and it is just not so. It is about matchups and how teams perform that game. Which 3 point shooter is Cole; the 5 for 6 one against St Peters or the 1 for 10 since? The answer again is both. You know, any given day, that’s why they play the games, etc. The idea that we are a “lock” against virtually any decent D1 school is ludicrous. We are three games in to a season with a new, largely inexperienced team with a credible but somewhat fragile 3-0 record.
Another question, what would be the feeling toward Alexander be had he either been called for a double dribble prior to Cole’s 3 against St Peters or the loose ball hadn’t rolled to Williams, followed by the last 2 minute meltdown of both he and Williams against BC?
That he was an extremely talented but at this point a largely one speed, inexperienced point guard that had played very, very well but had some things to learn, mostly things that only going through game experiences like that could teach? Which is exactly what he is.
IMO, we shouldn’t be getting too high or low at this point because we have “proven” nothing except we are on an upward trajectory as a program. How steep that trajectory is remains to be seen
But knowing the pedigree of the BYU program I would be surprised if they don’t play very well tonight. Hopefully, we will too. But our propensity for giving up open 3’s makes this a potentially very bad matchup; we shall see.[/quote]

I’m not making a prediction. I’m merely saying that they played awful today and looked slow. Doesn’t mean they won’t play well tonight. I still think our speed will cause trouble for them.
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=405065][quote="Logen" post=405064][quote="MCNPA" post=405035][quote="ghostzapper" post=405032]MCNPA Wrote: USC is long and tall but I didn’t think they were particularly fast in the open court. Certainly a lot bigger than we are but our speed is a lot different than USC. Again, it won’t be an easy game, but BYU got TONS of good looks from all over.

USC has incredible inside talent in the Mobley Brothers.

Isaiah Mobley is 6' 10" and was a five star recruit and a McDonald's All American. He was the 16th rated prospect in the entire country in 2019. He most probably will be playing in the NBA someday in the future and was a higher rated recruit than anyone to come to St. John's since we brought in Ron (Metta World Peace) Artest during the end of the last century.

Little brother Evan Mobley is 7' 0" and was the number three rated recruit in the entire country in 2020. He is projected to be a high lottery pick in the upcoming 2021 NBA draft. BYU will likely not face a more formidable pair of big men than the Mobley Brothers this season.

Here is a draft profile of Evan Mobley projecting him to go #3 in the 2021 NBA draft:
#3. C, Evan Mobley
Ht./Wt.: 7-0, 210
This season: Freshman, USC

Mobley is an elite shot-blocker who moves extremely well for a player his size. He is solid in the pick-and-pop option and a little bit of an anomaly due to his size and the way he can handle the ball. He has a 7-foot-5 wingspan and averaged 18.6 points, 10.9 rebounds and 2.7 blocks per game at Rancho Christian High School.


I believe Posh and our pressing team athleticism and speed will create some real problems for BYU but these are not the same type of problems that the elite size, length and athleticism of USC's frontline presented. Hopefully we will turn them over quite a bit and score off our defense and in transition. Our inside players Moore, Roberts and Toro are pretty serviceable but are hardly elite level talents on the level of the Mobley Brothers.

During our first three games we have struggled somewhat on the defensive interior and preventing three point shots. Through three games we have allowed 26 made threes and our opponents are making them at a very good 36%. I suspect tomorrow's game will not be the type of blowout that today's game was. The Matchup with USC was a bad one for BYU. Hopefully we will present problems related to our own unique skill set and come out with a nice win.[/quote]

I can tell you didn’t see the game. You can talk about the stats but BYU was not met by some crazy formidable defense as much as your stats seem to indicate. Go watch the game. BYU had open shot after open shot, inside and outside. USC had only 4 blocks and 3 steals and their defense wasn’t as impressive as your paper report. This bigs grabbed a bunch of boards for sure but it was more of a function of BYU’s play. I’m sure usc has a nice roster but that’s not the primary driver in BYU’s loss. FWIW, the average overall 3-point percentage in NCAA is 34.4%, so their 36% is also about average. SJU is shooting 35.3...;-)[/quote]

You seem to think games are the same one game to the next and it is just not so. It is about matchups and how teams perform that game. Which 3 point shooter is Cole; the 5 for 6 one against St Peters or the 1 for 10 since? The answer again is both. You know, any given day, that’s why they play the games, etc. The idea that we are a “lock” against virtually any decent D1 school is ludicrous. We are three games in to a season with a new, largely inexperienced team with a credible but somewhat fragile 3-0 record.
Another question, what would be the feeling toward Alexander be had he either been called for a double dribble prior to Cole’s 3 against St Peters or the loose ball hadn’t rolled to Williams, followed by the last 2 minute meltdown of both he and Williams against BC?
That he was an extremely talented but at this point a largely one speed, inexperienced point guard that had played very, very well but had some things to learn, mostly things that only going through game experiences like that could teach? Which is exactly what he is.
IMO, we shouldn’t be getting too high or low at this point because we have “proven” nothing except we are on an upward trajectory as a program. How steep that trajectory is remains to be seen
But knowing the pedigree of the BYU program I would be surprised if they don’t play very well tonight. Hopefully, we will too. But our propensity for giving up open 3’s makes this a potentially very bad matchup; we shall see.[/quote]

I’m not making a prediction. I’m merely saying that they played awful today and looked slow. Doesn’t mean they won’t play well tonight. I still think our speed will cause trouble for them.[/quote]

Fair enough
 
Posh plays one speed fast but he needs to control the speed often try’s to drive the 3 bigs and loses his dribble . He will learn but it will take some time but he will have good games for us
 
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