Prayers for a St. John's Student

Our country is in the midst of such a sharp decline we xant even properly ifentify where the real problens lie. A young man with a criminal record pssessing a loaded semu automatic weapon refuses to comply with police instructions to drop the weapon and is shot and killed. The city of Milwaukee explodes.

An innocentyoung man, one if our own sju students, is murdered on the streets og Chicago in a case of mistaken ifentity. There will be no outrafe, no protests, no leaders c alling for jystice - probably not even on our own campus.

Prayers to the family if this young man and for him. He is most certainly in a better place but perhaps a future shining star, a son of st johns whose light is snuffed out senselessly.
Typos my man! ;) :) Otherwise agree with your message. :(


Hate to turn a basketball forum into a political rant, but no one -- whether with a criminal record or not (like so many first-time offenders) -- should have access to military-style assault weapons, especially in today's political climate. Even the conservative patron saint, Ronald Reagan, who not only signed the Brady Bill into law but also actively supported its passage by Congress, recognized this. There is ZERO need for any private citizen to own an assault weapon; and the massacres we've sadly become acclimated to seeing as everyday news events -- whether they be by psychos (like at Newtown, Columbine, Aurora) or home-grown jihadists (like Orlando and San Bernardino) would never have taken the tolls they did without them. If courts have ruled (or perhaps it's never been challenged) that citizens cannot own fully automatic machine guns, or bazookas. or shoulder-launched surface-to-air missiles, there's no reason why citizens should own military-style assault weapons,which are simply mass killing machines, nothing more, nothing less. Mea culpa if I took this too far, but I am sick and tired of seeing so many fellow citizens, some as young as 1st and 2nd graders --and in this case, a fellow St. John's brother -- senselessly taken down.

'Trey' Dennis may have been a student who sat a few rows away from us at games, interned in the AD, or just rooted like hell from his dorm room. He may have had no interest in basketball. In either case, he is no less one of our own, as Ms. Vetrano was. It makes it important to discuss this here if we can keep it civil.

Does anyone know if there is a gofundme page or some other fundraising activity to help his family? Thanks.


 
Message from the President

The St. John's University community is deeply saddened by the recent deaths of alumna Karina Vetrano and undergraduate student Arshell Dennis III, who lost their lives due to senseless acts of violence in New York City and Chicago this summer.

Karina, 30, earned a master's degree in speech-language pathology from St. John's College of Liberal Arts and Sciences in May 2015, and Arshell, 19, a journalism major in the College of Professional Studies, was to begin his junior year this semester.

Both of their lives, filled with determination and great promise, were taken away far too soon. Karina and Arshell will always be part of the St. John's family and remembered for the joy and spirit they brought to the University.

The St. John's community mourns the passing of Karina and Arshell and sends our heartfelt condolences to their families as we keep them in our thoughts and prayers.

The St. John's community will celebrate their lives with Memorial Masses at St. Thomas More Church in their honor. The Mass for Karina Vetrano is scheduled for 12:15 p.m. on Friday, September 2, 2016. The Mass for Arshell Dennis III will take place at 12:15 p.m. on Friday, September 9, 2016.

You are invited to join us in the celebration of their lives. Thank you.

Conrado "Bobby" Gempesaw, Ph.D.
President
 
Message from the President

The St. John's University community is deeply saddened by the recent deaths of alumna Karina Vetrano and undergraduate student Arshell Dennis III, who lost their lives due to senseless acts of violence in New York City and Chicago this summer.

Karina, 30, earned a master's degree in speech-language pathology from St. John's College of Liberal Arts and Sciences in May 2015, and Arshell, 19, a journalism major in the College of Professional Studies, was to begin his junior year this semester.

Both of their lives, filled with determination and great promise, were taken away far too soon. Karina and Arshell will always be part of the St. John's family and remembered for the joy and spirit they brought to the University.

The St. John's community mourns the passing of Karina and Arshell and sends our heartfelt condolences to their families as we keep them in our thoughts and prayers.

The St. John's community will celebrate their lives with Memorial Masses at St. Thomas More Church in their honor. The Mass for Karina Vetrano is scheduled for 12:15 p.m. on Friday, September 2, 2016. The Mass for Arshell Dennis III will take place at 12:15 p.m. on Friday, September 9, 2016.

You are invited to join us in the celebration of their lives. Thank you.

Conrado "Bobby" Gempesaw, Ph.D.
President

Not to minimize prayers, but I'd hope they do something more than a mass.
 
Kapernick only cares if someone was killed during a police interaction just like blm you hear a peep bout the slaughter that happens every year at West Indian day parade festivities pre and post
 
Kapernick only cares if someone was killed during a police interaction just like blm you hear a peep bout the slaughter that happens every year at West Indian day parade festivities pre and post

Do you think he reads the Post? Because it's not national news. . .
 
This troubles me, deeply saddens me, and angers me to no end. WTF is going on in that town and across our country? RIP young man, you didn't deserve this.
Ditto.
BTW, initial police reports from Chicago seem to indicate it was likely a gang initiation, basically "go kill the first person you see". Where the F*** is the outrage over that.


Until there is outrage directed at all senseless violence, whichever movements are out there can not and will not be taken seriously. Looting and burning down the town has never brought about progress. Example #1: Detroit

Dont worry about Detroit. Bill Clinton, who appears to be in the early to mid stages of dementia suggests that settling syrian refugees in Detroit will rebuild that city.

This "festival" reminds me 9f the big "greek" beach bash at Jones beach each year. You could count on at least one shooting per year.
 
Simply stating that with all the attention on questionable police shootings, maybe these activist should concentrate on the fact that black people are killing eachother at a rate thousands of times higher then that of a police interaction, which 90 percent of the time could of been avoided if the person simply complied at the time of the interaction. Chicago will have 2000 black people shot by black people this year. Where is sharpton demanding answers why a 72 yr 66yr ladies shot at a parade festivities plus a 20 something ur old female SJU student murdered at a parade
 
Kapernick only cares if someone was killed during a police interaction just like blm you hear a peep bout the slaughter that happens every year at West Indian day parade festivities pre and post

Do you think he reads the Post? Because it's not national news. . .
Exactly! Which is why the media basically makes the news and steers the topics.
 
Let's not reduce the news of this awful tragedy -- sadly yet another one -- to a ridiculous, and offensive, political debate. That kind of exchange, if it's to be done at all, should be done elsewhere.
 
Our president said we should discuss this topic. The BLM movement says they want to bring out discussions about race relations. But the fact is that 90% of violent crime is committed by 13% of the population. That is the source of the problem. To pretend otherwise is naive.
 
Our president said we should discuss this topic. The BLM movement says they want to bring out discussions about race relations. But the fact is that 90% of violent crime is committed by 13% of the population. That is the source of the problem. To pretend otherwise is naive.

I can assure you that I'm far from naive ... and that I stand by what I posted. And for that reason, I'm not going to get into a meaningless, inappropriate political debate with you.
 
I agree with redken that if it were my kid, I wouldn't want a discussion about prayers for her to be steered to politics - something that turns my stomach every time I see it on TV. So feel free to discuss but I think the point being move it somewhere else.
 
Agree with 41, the topic has been shoved down our throats for the last eight years and now when they are called out on it, it's let's not talk about this topic. But the next time there is a controversial shooting it's gonna be "we need to talk about it" ....what a disgrace
 
I'm 100% for the 2nd Amendment which exists for a legitimate purpose and is unambiguous. I just think you could have a different thread out of respect for this beautiful girl and her family.
 
Kapernick only cares if someone was killed during a police interaction just like blm you hear a peep bout the slaughter that happens every year at West Indian day parade festivities pre and post

Do you think he reads the Post? Because it's not national news. . .
Exactly! Which is why the media basically makes the news and steers the topics.

Every single news source should cover every single murder in the country? That's like 40 murder stories a day. There wouldn't be room for anything else.
 
I'm 100% for the 2nd Amendment which exists for a legitimate purpose and is unambiguous. I just think you could have a different thread out of respect for this beautiful girl and her family.

Seems like a topic for the Player's Lounge.
 
To me at least it doesn't matter where the opinions are expressed - over the top political views have no place on here but civil dialogue does. In terms of sensitivities, I do not believe a single poster knew any of these students or alumni personally which would be a different story on this thread. I think there are two reasonable responses that co-exist when 3 SJU students and former students are murdered in 1 month and a 4th is stabbed in the chest at the university gate: Profound sympathy, and outrage at the senseless murder of innocent people. Both are reasonable responses.

I checked out the gofundme page for Trey Dennis and was about to click on a donation when I had second thoughts based on the way it was written. When Nycredman gives us an update of his efforts to create a scholarship that he endows, I will certainly contribute to that.

The Christian response to a wrongdoing can be outrage. In Scripture, Jesus was outraged when he turned over the tables in the temple when crooked merchants were buy sacrificial animals as blemished but re-selling them as unblemished. He also wept when his friend Lazarus died. In this case, I would say the human response should be outrage and profound sadness at the loss of three very good young people, and most certainly prayers for all three and for the recovery of the young man stabbed a few days ago.
 
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