Prayers for a St. John's Student


Once again this begs the questions:
Where is the outrage???????
Where are the denunciations by our political leaders?????
Where are the protests??????
Where is the outpouring of love and support from all the movements out there?????
Why the F am I angrier at the death of this beautiful young man than those that claim to give a damn so much about young black lives ?????????????????????

Someone please help me understand this.

I agree with everything you said but fortunately I never lived in a neighborhood with extreme poverty and can't understand the mindset that comes with that.
 

Once again this begs the questions:
Where is the outrage???????
Where are the denunciations by our political leaders?????
Where are the protests??????
Where is the outpouring of love and support from all the movements out there?????
Why the F am I angrier at the death of this beautiful young man than those that claim to give a damn so much about young black lives ?????????????????????

Someone please help me understand this.

I agree with everything you said but fortunately I never lived in a neighborhood with extreme poverty and can't understand the mindset that comes with that.

WTF? Are you serious? Could there be a mindset that could possibly justify killing an unknown innocent person. How freakin twisted is your logic. And by the way no one would describe that neighborhood as "extreme poverty". If you want extreme poverty look to India/Bangladesh, where this kind of garbage does not exist.
 

Once again this begs the questions:
Where is the outrage???????
Where are the denunciations by our political leaders?????
Where are the protests??????
Where is the outpouring of love and support from all the movements out there?????
Why the F am I angrier at the death of this beautiful young man than those that claim to give a damn so much about young black lives ?????????????????????

Someone please help me understand this.

I agree with everything you said but fortunately I never lived in a neighborhood with extreme poverty and can't understand the mindset that comes with that.

I'm no shrink, but total disregard for the life of another human being is not a result of poverty. This coming from someone who grew up in and around some pretty poor neighborhoods(IE East New York, Bushwick, Bed Stuy, Ft. Greene). It's more prevalent in poverty stricken neighborhoods, but it's not a result of poverty. IMO, for the most part it starts and ends in the home.
 

Once again this begs the questions:
Where is the outrage???????
Where are the denunciations by our political leaders?????
Where are the protests??????
Where is the outpouring of love and support from all the movements out there?????
Why the F am I angrier at the death of this beautiful young man than those that claim to give a damn so much about young black lives ?????????????????????

Someone please help me understand this.

I agree with everything you said but fortunately I never lived in a neighborhood with extreme poverty and can't understand the mindset that comes with that.

I'm no shrink, but total disregard for the life of another human being is not a result of poverty. This coming from someone who grew up in and around some pretty poor neighborhoods(IE East New York, Bushwick, Bed Stuy, Ft. Greene). It's more prevalent in poverty stricken neighborhoods, but it's not a result of poverty. IMO, for the most part it starts and ends in the home.

First of all I wasn't condoning murder. It takes a sick person to infer that. I was talking about that communities reaction too it. I have spent some time in some pretty rough neighborhoods and lived below the poverty line for several years as a child so I know poverty, however I had the luxury to have an educated grandfather that steered me in the right direction. Look at the murder statistics in Brazil vs the United States if you don't think poverty correlates to violent crime.
 

Once again this begs the questions:
Where is the outrage???????
Where are the denunciations by our political leaders?????
Where are the protests??????
Where is the outpouring of love and support from all the movements out there?????
Why the F am I angrier at the death of this beautiful young man than those that claim to give a damn so much about young black lives ?????????????????????

Someone please help me understand this.

I agree with everything you said but fortunately I never lived in a neighborhood with extreme poverty and can't understand the mindset that comes with that.

I'm no shrink, but total disregard for the life of another human being is not a result of poverty. This coming from someone who grew up in and around some pretty poor neighborhoods(IE East New York, Bushwick, Bed Stuy, Ft. Greene). It's more prevalent in poverty stricken neighborhoods, but it's not a result of poverty. IMO, for the most part it starts and ends in the home.

First of all I wasn't condoning murder. It takes a sick person to infer that. I was talking about that communities reaction too it. I have spent some time in some pretty rough neighborhoods and lived below the poverty line for several years as a child so I know poverty, however I had the luxury to have an educated grandfather that steered me in the right direction. Look at the murder statistics in Brazil vs the United States if you don't think poverty correlates to violent crime.

I never suggested you were condoning murder. All I'm saying is that poverty is not the driving force behind violent crime. Otherwise the years of The Great Depression would have been the most violent period this country has ever seen, and it wasn't.

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Once again this begs the questions:
Where is the outrage???????
Where are the denunciations by our political leaders?????
Where are the protests??????
Where is the outpouring of love and support from all the movements out there?????
Why the F am I angrier at the death of this beautiful young man than those that claim to give a damn so much about young black lives ?????????????????????

Someone please help me understand this.

I agree with everything you said but fortunately I never lived in a neighborhood with extreme poverty and can't understand the mindset that comes with that.

I'm no shrink, but total disregard for the life of another human being is not a result of poverty. This coming from someone who grew up in and around some pretty poor neighborhoods(IE East New York, Bushwick, Bed Stuy, Ft. Greene). It's more prevalent in poverty stricken neighborhoods, but it's not a result of poverty. IMO, for the most part it starts and ends in the home.

First of all I wasn't condoning murder. It takes a sick person to infer that. I was talking about that communities reaction too it. I have spent some time in some pretty rough neighborhoods and lived below the poverty line for several years as a child so I know poverty, however I had the luxury to have an educated grandfather that steered me in the right direction. Look at the murder statistics in Brazil vs the United States if you don't think poverty correlates to violent crime.
The topic was the utter disregard for innocent human life that gang culture has in this country, and by bringing up poverty you are Absolutely, if not condoning it ,then at the least you are making excuses for it. And by the way this murder occurred in a working class neighborhood, not in a "poverty stricken neighborhood" so how does that fit in with the your defense of random murder? What is your definition of a "pretty rough neighborhood", you felt humiliated that as a child that you couldn't afford $400 sneakers?
You mention Brazil, but have you ever been there? The absolute poorest people in the poorest area in this country live better than a large percentage there. And that goes for many other countries, but in most of them they have Much lower crime rates.
 

Once again this begs the questions:
Where is the outrage???????
Where are the denunciations by our political leaders?????
Where are the protests??????
Where is the outpouring of love and support from all the movements out there?????
Why the F am I angrier at the death of this beautiful young man than those that claim to give a damn so much about young black lives ?????????????????????

Someone please help me understand this.

I agree with everything you said but fortunately I never lived in a neighborhood with extreme poverty and can't understand the mindset that comes with that.

I'm no shrink, but total disregard for the life of another human being is not a result of poverty. This coming from someone who grew up in and around some pretty poor neighborhoods(IE East New York, Bushwick, Bed Stuy, Ft. Greene). It's more prevalent in poverty stricken neighborhoods, but it's not a result of poverty. IMO, for the most part it starts and ends in the home.

First of all I wasn't condoning murder. It takes a sick person to infer that. I was talking about that communities reaction too it. I have spent some time in some pretty rough neighborhoods and lived below the poverty line for several years as a child so I know poverty, however I had the luxury to have an educated grandfather that steered me in the right direction. Look at the murder statistics in Brazil vs the United States if you don't think poverty correlates to violent crime.
The topic was the utter disregard for innocent human life that gang culture has in this country, and by bringing up poverty you are Absolutely, if not condoning it ,then at the least you are making excuses for it. And by the way this murder occurred in a working class neighborhood, not in a "poverty stricken neighborhood" so how does that fit in with the your defense of random murder? What is your definition of a "pretty rough neighborhood", you felt humiliated that as a child that you couldn't afford $400 sneakers?
You mention Brazil, but have you ever been there? The absolute poorest people in the poorest area in this country live better than a large percentage there. And that goes for many other countries, but in most of them they have Much lower crime rates.

What neighborhood do working class people live in NY? What do you mean by working class people. All people are working class unless you think some segments of society are incapable of work. No, I was really poor like lucky to eat. You ever been there? Also been to Sao Paolo several times and never particularly enjoyed it.
 

Once again this begs the questions:
Where is the outrage???????
Where are the denunciations by our political leaders?????
Where are the protests??????
Where is the outpouring of love and support from all the movements out there?????
Why the F am I angrier at the death of this beautiful young man than those that claim to give a damn so much about young black lives ?????????????????????

Someone please help me understand this.

I agree with everything you said but fortunately I never lived in a neighborhood with extreme poverty and can't understand the mindset that comes with that.

I'm no shrink, but total disregard for the life of another human being is not a result of poverty. This coming from someone who grew up in and around some pretty poor neighborhoods(IE East New York, Bushwick, Bed Stuy, Ft. Greene). It's more prevalent in poverty stricken neighborhoods, but it's not a result of poverty. IMO, for the most part it starts and ends in the home.

First of all I wasn't condoning murder. It takes a sick person to infer that. I was talking about that communities reaction too it. I have spent some time in some pretty rough neighborhoods and lived below the poverty line for several years as a child so I know poverty, however I had the luxury to have an educated grandfather that steered me in the right direction. Look at the murder statistics in Brazil vs the United States if you don't think poverty correlates to violent crime.
The topic was the utter disregard for innocent human life that gang culture has in this country, and by bringing up poverty you are Absolutely, if not condoning it ,then at the least you are making excuses for it. And by the way this murder occurred in a working class neighborhood, not in a "poverty stricken neighborhood" so how does that fit in with the your defense of random murder? What is your definition of a "pretty rough neighborhood", you felt humiliated that as a child that you couldn't afford $400 sneakers?
You mention Brazil, but have you ever been there? The absolute poorest people in the poorest area in this country live better than a large percentage there. And that goes for many other countries, but in most of them they have Much lower crime rates.

What neighborhood do working class people live in NY? What do you mean by working class people. All people are working class unless you think some segments of society are incapable of work. No, I was really poor like lucky to eat. You ever been there? Also been to Sao Paolo several times and never particularly enjoyed it.
LMAO , earlier you wrote "I've never lived in a neighborhood with extreme poverty,and can't understand the mindset that comes with that" , now you were starving. Well one problem poor neighborhoods in this country don't have is a lack of food as anyone can see by the very large people who inhabit those areas. In other words you are full of SH** !
BTW working class = middle class.
 

Once again this begs the questions:
Where is the outrage???????
Where are the denunciations by our political leaders?????
Where are the protests??????
Where is the outpouring of love and support from all the movements out there?????
Why the F am I angrier at the death of this beautiful young man than those that claim to give a damn so much about young black lives ?????????????????????

Someone please help me understand this.

I agree with everything you said but fortunately I never lived in a neighborhood with extreme poverty and can't understand the mindset that comes with that.

I'm no shrink, but total disregard for the life of another human being is not a result of poverty. This coming from someone who grew up in and around some pretty poor neighborhoods(IE East New York, Bushwick, Bed Stuy, Ft. Greene). It's more prevalent in poverty stricken neighborhoods, but it's not a result of poverty. IMO, for the most part it starts and ends in the home.

First of all I wasn't condoning murder. It takes a sick person to infer that. I was talking about that communities reaction too it. I have spent some time in some pretty rough neighborhoods and lived below the poverty line for several years as a child so I know poverty, however I had the luxury to have an educated grandfather that steered me in the right direction. Look at the murder statistics in Brazil vs the United States if you don't think poverty correlates to violent crime.
The topic was the utter disregard for innocent human life that gang culture has in this country, and by bringing up poverty you are Absolutely, if not condoning it ,then at the least you are making excuses for it. And by the way this murder occurred in a working class neighborhood, not in a "poverty stricken neighborhood" so how does that fit in with the your defense of random murder? What is your definition of a "pretty rough neighborhood", you felt humiliated that as a child that you couldn't afford $400 sneakers?
You mention Brazil, but have you ever been there? The absolute poorest people in the poorest area in this country live better than a large percentage there. And that goes for many other countries, but in most of them they have Much lower crime rates.

What neighborhood do working class people live in NY? What do you mean by working class people. All people are working class unless you think some segments of society are incapable of work. No, I was really poor like lucky to eat. You ever been there? Also been to Sao Paolo several times and never particularly enjoyed it.
LMAO , earlier you wrote "I've never lived in a neighborhood with extreme poverty,and can't understand the mindset that comes with that" , now you were starving. Well one problem poor neighborhoods in this country don't have is a lack of food as anyone can see by the very large people who inhabit those areas. In other words you are full of SH** !
BTW working class = middle class.

There are homeless people in the middle of Silicone Valley and plenty of kids in America without enough to eat.
 

Once again this begs the questions:
Where is the outrage???????
Where are the denunciations by our political leaders?????
Where are the protests??????
Where is the outpouring of love and support from all the movements out there?????
Why the F am I angrier at the death of this beautiful young man than those that claim to give a damn so much about young black lives ?????????????????????

Someone please help me understand this.

I agree with everything you said but fortunately I never lived in a neighborhood with extreme poverty and can't understand the mindset that comes with that.

I'm no shrink, but total disregard for the life of another human being is not a result of poverty. This coming from someone who grew up in and around some pretty poor neighborhoods(IE East New York, Bushwick, Bed Stuy, Ft. Greene). It's more prevalent in poverty stricken neighborhoods, but it's not a result of poverty. IMO, for the most part it starts and ends in the home.

First of all I wasn't condoning murder. It takes a sick person to infer that. I was talking about that communities reaction too it. I have spent some time in some pretty rough neighborhoods and lived below the poverty line for several years as a child so I know poverty, however I had the luxury to have an educated grandfather that steered me in the right direction. Look at the murder statistics in Brazil vs the United States if you don't think poverty correlates to violent crime.
The topic was the utter disregard for innocent human life that gang culture has in this country, and by bringing up poverty you are Absolutely, if not condoning it ,then at the least you are making excuses for it. And by the way this murder occurred in a working class neighborhood, not in a "poverty stricken neighborhood" so how does that fit in with the your defense of random murder? What is your definition of a "pretty rough neighborhood", you felt humiliated that as a child that you couldn't afford $400 sneakers?
You mention Brazil, but have you ever been there? The absolute poorest people in the poorest area in this country live better than a large percentage there. And that goes for many other countries, but in most of them they have Much lower crime rates.

What neighborhood do working class people live in NY? What do you mean by working class people. All people are working class unless you think some segments of society are incapable of work. No, I was really poor like lucky to eat. You ever been there? Also been to Sao Paolo several times and never particularly enjoyed it.
LMAO , earlier you wrote "I've never lived in a neighborhood with extreme poverty,and can't understand the mindset that comes with that" , now you were starving. Well one problem poor neighborhoods in this country don't have is a lack of food as anyone can see by the very large people who inhabit those areas. In other words you are full of SH** !
BTW working class = middle class.

There are homeless people in the middle of Silicone Valley and plenty of kids in America without enough to eat.
You wrote " I have spent some time in some pretty rough neighborhoods"
Were the other children in silicon valley mean to you? Perhaps it was because you were a habitual lier?
 
As far as poor I can only really speak to some parts of NY that I have seen as well as maryland and new orleans that stand out to me but that being said poor in south america is an entirely different planet as to what I've seen here.

Heck in Lima there is a kind of shanty town right behind the presidential palace on a hill and there isn't even running water for a lot of them. And that's not even the poorest part I've seen there. And that doesn't even count what I've seen in Bolivia which might be poorer
 

Once again this begs the questions:
Where is the outrage???????
Where are the denunciations by our political leaders?????
Where are the protests??????
Where is the outpouring of love and support from all the movements out there?????
Why the F am I angrier at the death of this beautiful young man than those that claim to give a damn so much about young black lives ?????????????????????

Someone please help me understand this.

I agree with everything you said but fortunately I never lived in a neighborhood with extreme poverty and can't understand the mindset that comes with that.

I'm no shrink, but total disregard for the life of another human being is not a result of poverty. This coming from someone who grew up in and around some pretty poor neighborhoods(IE East New York, Bushwick, Bed Stuy, Ft. Greene). It's more prevalent in poverty stricken neighborhoods, but it's not a result of poverty. IMO, for the most part it starts and ends in the home.

First of all I wasn't condoning murder. It takes a sick person to infer that. I was talking about that communities reaction too it. I have spent some time in some pretty rough neighborhoods and lived below the poverty line for several years as a child so I know poverty, however I had the luxury to have an educated grandfather that steered me in the right direction. Look at the murder statistics in Brazil vs the United States if you don't think poverty correlates to violent crime.
The topic was the utter disregard for innocent human life that gang culture has in this country, and by bringing up poverty you are Absolutely, if not condoning it ,then at the least you are making excuses for it. And by the way this murder occurred in a working class neighborhood, not in a "poverty stricken neighborhood" so how does that fit in with the your defense of random murder? What is your definition of a "pretty rough neighborhood", you felt humiliated that as a child that you couldn't afford $400 sneakers?
You mention Brazil, but have you ever been there? The absolute poorest people in the poorest area in this country live better than a large percentage there. And that goes for many other countries, but in most of them they have Much lower crime rates.

What neighborhood do working class people live in NY? What do you mean by working class people. All people are working class unless you think some segments of society are incapable of work. No, I was really poor like lucky to eat. You ever been there? Also been to Sao Paolo several times and never particularly enjoyed it.
LMAO , earlier you wrote "I've never lived in a neighborhood with extreme poverty,and can't understand the mindset that comes with that" , now you were starving. Well one problem poor neighborhoods in this country don't have is a lack of food as anyone can see by the very large people who inhabit those areas. In other words you are full of SH** !
BTW working class = middle class.

There are homeless people in the middle of Silicone Valley and plenty of kids in America without enough to eat.
You wrote " I have spent some time in some pretty rough neighborhoods"
Were the other children in silicon valley mean to you? Perhaps it was because you were a habitual lier?

Maybe it's because you can't spell. It's liar not lier.
 

Once again this begs the questions:
Where is the outrage???????
Where are the denunciations by our political leaders?????
Where are the protests??????
Where is the outpouring of love and support from all the movements out there?????
Why the F am I angrier at the death of this beautiful young man than those that claim to give a damn so much about young black lives ?????????????????????

Someone please help me understand this.
The reason there is none of the things you ask for in this situation is because the shooting was not done by law enforcement so there is no excuse to loot and riot (see Milwaukee).
 
There is a great man on redmen.com who literally invests in kids like this by helping to cover their tuition.

It's horrible tragedies like this that illustrate the the importance of SJU to assist poorer students in getting a degree and escaping bad neighborhoods.

If his family doesnt have exteaordinary financial needs , perhaps a memorial scholarship in his name would help others to build a different future
 

Once again this begs the questions:
Where is the outrage???????
Where are the denunciations by our political leaders?????
Where are the protests??????
Where is the outpouring of love and support from all the movements out there?????
Why the F am I angrier at the death of this beautiful young man than those that claim to give a damn so much about young black lives ?????????????????????

Someone please help me understand this.

I agree with everything you said but fortunately I never lived in a neighborhood with extreme poverty and can't understand the mindset that comes with that.

I'm no shrink, but total disregard for the life of another human being is not a result of poverty. This coming from someone who grew up in and around some pretty poor neighborhoods(IE East New York, Bushwick, Bed Stuy, Ft. Greene). It's more prevalent in poverty stricken neighborhoods, but it's not a result of poverty. IMO, for the most part it starts and ends in the home.

First of all I wasn't condoning murder. It takes a sick person to infer that. I was talking about that communities reaction too it. I have spent some time in some pretty rough neighborhoods and lived below the poverty line for several years as a child so I know poverty, however I had the luxury to have an educated grandfather that steered me in the right direction. Look at the murder statistics in Brazil vs the United States if you don't think poverty correlates to violent crime.
The topic was the utter disregard for innocent human life that gang culture has in this country, and by bringing up poverty you are Absolutely, if not condoning it ,then at the least you are making excuses for it. And by the way this murder occurred in a working class neighborhood, not in a "poverty stricken neighborhood" so how does that fit in with the your defense of random murder? What is your definition of a "pretty rough neighborhood", you felt humiliated that as a child that you couldn't afford $400 sneakers?
You mention Brazil, but have you ever been there? The absolute poorest people in the poorest area in this country live better than a large percentage there. And that goes for many other countries, but in most of them they have Much lower crime rates.

What neighborhood do working class people live in NY? What do you mean by working class people. All people are working class unless you think some segments of society are incapable of work. No, I was really poor like lucky to eat. You ever been there? Also been to Sao Paolo several times and never particularly enjoyed it.
LMAO , earlier you wrote "I've never lived in a neighborhood with extreme poverty,and can't understand the mindset that comes with that" , now you were starving. Well one problem poor neighborhoods in this country don't have is a lack of food as anyone can see by the very large people who inhabit those areas. In other words you are full of SH** !
BTW working class = middle class.

There are homeless people in the middle of Silicone Valley and plenty of kids in America without enough to eat.
You wrote " I have spent some time in some pretty rough neighborhoods"
Were the other children in silicon valley mean to you? Perhaps it was because you were a habitual lier?

Maybe it's because you can't spell. It's liar not lier.
Hey how about that, you didn't LIE this time.
 
Lets stop the fighting & debating amongst ourselves and lets try and make some good come out of this tragedy. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm ready to start whatever process needs to be done to get St. John's to endow a scholarship or student award named after this young man. This is similar to another tragedy, the Kathleen Habeeb murder not far the campus in 1983 (http://www.nytimes.com/1983/11/04/nyregion/college-student-killed-in-queens.html). There is currently a Kathy Habeeb Scholarship Fund in her memory & maybe we as part of the Redmen.com community can formally reach out to the University to see if this can be explored. For all we know the University has already started looking into this. Anyone who'd like to discuss privately can also PM me.

We Are...St. John's
 
Lets stop the fighting & debating amongst ourselves and lets try and make some good come out of this tragedy. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm ready to start whatever process needs to be done to get St. John's to endow a scholarship or student award named after this young man. This is similar to another tragedy, the Kathleen Habeeb murder not far the campus in 1983 (http://www.nytimes.com/1983/11/04/nyregion/college-student-killed-in-queens.html). There is currently a Kathy Habeeb Scholarship Fund in her memory & maybe we as part of the Redmen.com community can formally reach out to the University to see if this can be explored. For all we know the University has already started looking into this. Anyone who'd like to discuss privately can also PM me.

We Are...St. John's

Good suggestion from a very sensible guy.
 
Lets stop the fighting & debating amongst ourselves and lets try and make some good come out of this tragedy. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm ready to start whatever process needs to be done to get St. John's to endow a scholarship or student award named after this young man. This is similar to another tragedy, the Kathleen Habeeb murder not far the campus in 1983 (http://www.nytimes.com/1983/11/04/nyregion/college-student-killed-in-queens.html). There is currently a Kathy Habeeb Scholarship Fund in her memory & maybe we as part of the Redmen.com community can formally reach out to the University to see if this can be explored. For all we know the University has already started looking into this. Anyone who'd like to discuss privately can also PM me.

We Are...St. John's

I thought about Kathy when my daughter was telling me about this senseless act. That is a great idea.NYCRedmen.
 
Two tragic deaths of St. John's kids in one month. Too many psychopaths running around this world. My heart breaks for the parents.
 
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