(POST GAME) @Villanova, Sat., Jan. 29, 4:30p, FOX
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Amazing that the only guy that really put pressure on undersized Villanova’s defense was Soriano and we didn’t feed him in the post. He was getting double teamed which lead to other guys getting open. Not even a pick and roll with an attempt for a lob pass to Soriano. He also got fouled by Slater on both his dunks that weren’t called. Villanova scores on three’s and in the post despite being undersized. Champ gets guarded by smaller guys and refuses post them up. It’s frustrating watching these guys play offense. There was a time in basketball when having a threat in the post lead to open three’s. Nova drives and kicks the ball out for open shots but they also post to draw doubles and kick it out for open shots. They know how to execute screens and pump fakes to get open. Ball movement is never an issue for them. They consistently box out and play hard. They are a very disciplined basketball team. They have a plan on OFFENSE and defense. We are inconsistent on defense/rebounding and our offense feels like Anderson needs an offensive coordinator. We need scorers. Guys that can score in multiple ways. There are many ways to score, midrange, long range, post, penetrate and finish. Name one guy on this team that can score in more than one of those ways. It’s not that hard to defend us especially when we don’t even run good screens to get guys open. Coach Wright has his kids disciplined and ready to play basketball on both sides of the court.
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If we want to be honest about our Team and our Program , we play Ugly Basketball , whether it’s win or lose . At times , you have to wonder what goes on at practice ? They play the same way every game . Disorganized . It works some times, when we play a Team that’s as challenged as we are or , we catch on a bad day . I just wonder if the Players are fed up with this alleged style ? Champ looks like he’s pissed about something and not , just his shooting slump . He’s playing lackadaisical and that’s not the Player we know and have seen the last 2 years . We have touted CMA defense like it’s the Nolan Richardson Hell of the 90’s . It isn’t anywhere near that and its proving completely useless in the current BE Conference . While it’s true Villanova is a very good team , year in and year out , we should have been more competitive with them yesterday . We had no answers for them , offensively or defensively . And , our Staff did nothing to stop the bleeding during the 40 minutes . Which isn’t a one time occurrence . We are 3-5 in the BE now . Beating PC is unlikely . They are much better this year than last . Durham has a unique game . He gets foul calls on nearly every drive to the hoop and is a excellent free throw shooter . Our penchant for fouling does not bear well for Tuesday . I wonder why he gets so many calls while Posh does not ? Ever onward .
Dan V
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Agree with your point on Wusu, his role last year was perfect for him. About 20 minutes off the bench, could provide some secondary ball handling, move the ball and play tough defense. The one thing I liked most about him last year was I never saw him force anything he played within himself and it was impressive for a freshman. This year he’s been pressed into a role that I don’t think fits his abilities. He’s not dynamic enough offensively to be a primary initiator or a good enough shooter at high volumes. Its been detrimental to him which obviously effects the team. I’m guessing the staff was expecting Smith to be that secondary creator and rightfully so, he did that well at Vermont. Hasn’t really been a factor so far and Coburn was never that type he’s a pure wing/shooter who can’t really create off the dribble like Vince Cole. Pinzon looked good against Indiana I think his absence has hurt, he might have taken some of the offensive/playmaking burden off Wusu. Unfortunately at this point I don’t even know if coach would even put him back out there after missing so much time, although he should be desperate enough to at least try it IMO. Frustrating to say the least, just one player away from being a much better team.Section3 post=453870 said:
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He scored 7 points, had 2 assists, he cant shoot and got injured again. Its time to admit hes not turning into what we thought he could. Is he our best pg? Yes. Is he so key this team would fall apart w/o him? No. The team isnt any good w/ him.Delaware post=453892 said:
Nova is arguably the most disciplined team in the big east. We are arguably the worst. (GT is close)Not the least talented, but the least disciplined. Rarely will we do well against a very disciplined team unless they are having an off day and missing their shots, and/or we can get them to play our helter skelter style.
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Duke opposing teams key on Posh and Champ, daring other players to beat them. As a result, Smith, Wheeler, etc will get their points. But don't let the stat lines fool you in to thinking that we have any other difference makers on this roster besides Posh and Champ.Duke of Earlington post=453905 said:
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Dan V
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Agreed the really patient and disciplined teams give us the most issues. Villanova and Creighton are the two teams I think are the toughest matchups in this regard. Its also why Butler despite usually being less talented than those two have also given us issues. Except for those 3 we can give the other teams in the league issues with pressure defense.Monte post=453906 said:
Dan V post=453909 said:
I understand what you are saying. The bottom line is that, when you watch these really good teams play, no matter what type of defense they play or what type of offensive sets they use, they all have numerous players who can knock down shots on a consistent basis. Even with a hand in there face. On a good day we only have one (who plays) and right now we have none. That’s our biggest issue. Everything else is secondary to that. I’m watching Purdue vs Ohio St now, the ability to knock down shots on both teams is so far beyond anything that our team is capable of it’s laughable.
At this point, besides beating Providence, we need to win a few games we're not expected to win--beat Creighton, Nova, Marquette and Xavier all at home. If we don't, we're playing on wednesday in the BE tournament, and can kiss any chance of getting an NCAA bid goodbye.
Dylan wants to step up. I like that. Notwithstanding his heart, his bb iq needs adjustment, hence the ill advised drives and blocks and the ill advised jumpers.
I wish Champ had WuSu’s desire to take
control. He did not most of the time, even before the slump. I dint think that’s his personality.
Duke’s point about Posh is absurd. As
pointed our, he’s being targeted by other teams and without a lot of reliable supporting cast has struggled. But his defense, energy and leadership haven’t flagged.
I wish Champ had WuSu’s desire to take
control. He did not most of the time, even before the slump. I dint think that’s his personality.
Duke’s point about Posh is absurd. As
pointed our, he’s being targeted by other teams and without a lot of reliable supporting cast has struggled. But his defense, energy and leadership haven’t flagged.
Dan V post=453918 said:
I will always stick with St.John’s. I’ve been a fan since 1979. I’m not so sure I’m sold on CMA anymore but I don’t think he’s going anywhere until certain things improve and Cragg and Shanley feel they can actually bring in someone better and keep them.
I don’t think the Indiana team playing now is the same team that we played. They have a first year coach in Mike Woodson and they had to learn a new system . Unlike us they’ve gotten much better as the season has gone on.
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And let’s also stop the talk of going backwards and downgrading to a mid-major conference.otis post=453928 said:
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From what I saw yesterday, Villanova is one of the best teams in the country. They play a very tough half court defense and their big defend the rim really well. On offense they move the ball extremely well, and when they post inside, if the middle gets clogged they ready it quickly to pss the ball outside to open catch and shoot players.
Our best chance was to get them to play our type of game, speed the game up and force them into mistakes. It didn't happen.
Consider that they are recruiting at a different level then us. Two recent national championships allow you do that. You can't coach a kid to make open shots, and its hard to run a half court offense when you don't have a certain relative caliber of talent compared to who you are playing against. Pre-shot clock, teams like Princeton could succeed by holding the ball until they got the shot they wanted. It evened out the talent disparity.. That doesn't work any more.
You want to pick a game to crap on the coach, this wasn't the one. Villanova looks like a top 5 team, and I wouldn't be surprised if they get to the Elite 8 and beyond.
But if you are noticing, they sold their place out, on a day where there was a snowstorm and they play at the doorstep of the Phillies, Eagles, Flyers, 76'ers and a host of competitive college basketball program. In a few weeks when they come to the garden, once you subtract our season ticket holders, Nova, on a school night, will likely buy more tickets for an away game than our fans.
If you want to post about how much better Villanova is than St. Johns, congratulations. You win the obvious award. I will tell you though that I know first hand that going into year 6, Jay Wright was warned by a close friend of mine at the time and a close friend of his that he's better start winning or start looking for a job.
What Villanova plays is text book basketball. Textbook 1970, 1980, 1990, and today. To insist that somehow the game has passed CMA by, that's absurd. The way we play today is about all you can do when you don't have the talent to walk the ball up and knock down open shots. Yes we can play better than we showed yesterday and hopefully will at the Garden rematch.
Just remember guys, what happened yesterday was what nearly all of our followers on here expected would happen. To throw verbal adolescent fits because we lost by the best team in the Big East on their home court is just ridiculous..
Our best chance was to get them to play our type of game, speed the game up and force them into mistakes. It didn't happen.
Consider that they are recruiting at a different level then us. Two recent national championships allow you do that. You can't coach a kid to make open shots, and its hard to run a half court offense when you don't have a certain relative caliber of talent compared to who you are playing against. Pre-shot clock, teams like Princeton could succeed by holding the ball until they got the shot they wanted. It evened out the talent disparity.. That doesn't work any more.
You want to pick a game to crap on the coach, this wasn't the one. Villanova looks like a top 5 team, and I wouldn't be surprised if they get to the Elite 8 and beyond.
But if you are noticing, they sold their place out, on a day where there was a snowstorm and they play at the doorstep of the Phillies, Eagles, Flyers, 76'ers and a host of competitive college basketball program. In a few weeks when they come to the garden, once you subtract our season ticket holders, Nova, on a school night, will likely buy more tickets for an away game than our fans.
If you want to post about how much better Villanova is than St. Johns, congratulations. You win the obvious award. I will tell you though that I know first hand that going into year 6, Jay Wright was warned by a close friend of mine at the time and a close friend of his that he's better start winning or start looking for a job.
What Villanova plays is text book basketball. Textbook 1970, 1980, 1990, and today. To insist that somehow the game has passed CMA by, that's absurd. The way we play today is about all you can do when you don't have the talent to walk the ball up and knock down open shots. Yes we can play better than we showed yesterday and hopefully will at the Garden rematch.
Just remember guys, what happened yesterday was what nearly all of our followers on here expected would happen. To throw verbal adolescent fits because we lost by the best team in the Big East on their home court is just ridiculous..
Some players have incomplete skill sets or excel in just some aspects of the game. If Wusu has never learned any back to the basket and spin and fadeaway moves he should be taught them and he will be much more effective in some sort of point forward/low post role...or he has the same deficits as Amar Alibegovic who could shoot outside, had a nice Eurostep repertoire, has a good pro career in Europe, and could do nothing that required lateral or rotational quickness.redmanwest post=453932 said:
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"Basketball is a game that rewards many talents" - Charles Barkleyfuchsia post=453954 said: