(POST GAME) (@UBS Arena) Kansas, Fri,. Dec. 3, 7p, FS-1

[Mullins Revenge]

I agree w/ this "CMA system" BS.  Every year you cant just say, "Hey, its going to take half a season for us to start playing well."  Every school has lots of turnover w/ the transfer changes.  

This isnt acceptable in year 3 of a coach.  Get to the dance this year or the pitchforks are coming out for CMA.  Its sounds harsh but it is what it is.  Start winning!

 

[RedStormNC]

And Anderson should not get a pass that these new guys he brought in don't have the skills for his style.

He recruited and signed them..

Mathis is the only one that looks like it should..

Rest just look like individual pieces.

 

[Section3]

USB Arena

Quick thoughts:

Took me 2 hours and 15 minutes from where I live in NJ which is just 25 miles away.  Obviously that is a NYC problem and not an issue with the arena.

The parking arrangement an strategy needs a lot of work.  It simply has to be improved.

My biggest takeaway is the crowd.  I have never seen more Johnnies apparrell in one place in my life.  Without getting into the MSG vs. UBS debate, we do need need to play some games at UBS.  Geographically, it is clearly Johnny territory and people came out.  

Lastly, they have to move the behind-the-basket fans closer to the court.  Our student section was absolutely great last night, but they were about a mile from the court.  Just my two cents.......

1st thing I noticed was that huge space behind basket. Agree that it is too far away.
Good job AD and team to generate interest resulting in well attended game including large student contingent. And boy were they engaged

 

[Section3]

Other than the 1st 2 games and 2nd half of Indiana game, team has not played with energy or sense of urgency. They don’t have the chip on the shoulder that drove them to overachieve last year. Perhaps they bought into the hype that came with being projected as a top 4 BE team.

With that said, it is way too early to give up on these kids and the season. While there is natural skepticism about some of the newcomers, I believe that they still represent an upgrade over those that left. Right now, teams like Indiana and Kansas operate at a speed at which our newcomers are just not accustomed. Both Indiana and Kansas played in-your-grill defense and crisply moved the ball in the half court. Our newcomers don’t seem ready - yet. Hopefully, they are/will adapt.

Looking back at this time last year, the same concerns were being voiced by the fan base. The team eventually came together once roles were defined and bad tendencies were minimized/eliminated.

I suspect CMA will do the same with is group - and hopefully eliminate some of the things that are giving us agita (like Wheeler setting up on the perimeter ala Isaiah Moore). Assume he is already trying to reprogram Smith whose PT is dropping presumably due to his penchant for lazy passes and lack of commitment to defense.

 

 

[beast of the east]

I agree w/ this "CMA system" BS.  Every year you cant just say, "Hey, its going to take half a season for us to start playing well."  Every school has lots of turnover w/ the transfer changes.  

This isnt acceptable in year 3 of a coach.  Get to the dance this year or the pitchforks are coming out for CMA.  Its sounds harsh but it is what it is.  Start winning!

I think we'd all agree that 8 transfers were unexpected and unprecedented.   Obviously if this happened every year you have to modify what you do, possibly build a roster differently.  IF 8 guys leave every season we are in big trouble.  We did keep the 3 best and that's a relief.

 

[redmanwest]

Well I think Moore was better than Wusu at least now. 

 

[monte]

And Anderson should not get a pass that these new guys he brought in don't have the skills for his style.

He recruited and signed them..

Mathis is the only one that looks like it should..

Rest just look like individual pieces.

I remember when LJ and others left, and some posters tried to make it seem like the departures were part of some sort of master plan by CMA, which would allow him to bring in his own players who bought in to his system and possessed certain skill sets that would allow them to thrive in his system? It sounded ridiculous then, and having seen who he's brought in, sounds even more ridiculous now. 

 

[dee]

I agree w/ this "CMA system" BS.  Every year you cant just say, "Hey, its going to take half a season for us to start playing well."  Every school has lots of turnover w/ the transfer changes.  

This isnt acceptable in year 3 of a coach.  Get to the dance this year or the pitchforks are coming out for CMA.  Its sounds harsh but it is what it is.  Start winning!

The trouble is what coach with any status or ability would want to come here after CMA is let go?
Answer No one !
Our only chance to get such a coach was Pitino. We chose to pass and he cant be gotten now. We need a big name coach to recruit. Recruits will come for a big time coach. But alas we are done as a basketball powerhouse. Maybe we should dump mens basketball and bring back mrns track. It is over. We are cooked and an embarrassment. We can only live in the past which is getting further and further away
 

 

[Mean Gene]

I agree w/ this "CMA system" BS.  Every year you cant just say, "Hey, its going to take half a season for us to start playing well."  Every school has lots of turnover w/ the transfer changes.  

This isnt acceptable in year 3 of a coach.  Get to the dance this year or the pitchforks are coming out for CMA.  Its sounds harsh but it is what it is.  Start winning!

The trouble is what coach with any status or ability would want to come here after CMA is let go?
Answer No one !
Our only chance to get such a coach was Pitino. We chose to pass and he cant be gotten now. We need a big name coach to recruit. Recruits will come for a big time coach. But alas we are done as a basketball powerhouse. Maybe we should dump mens basketball and bring back mrns track. It is over. We are cooked and an embarrassment. We can only live in the past which is getting further and further away

 

If we are not going to do what it takes as a program to win in the Big East then let’s just drop down to the A-10 where at least we’ll have chance.

 

[boo haarvey]

I agree w/ this "CMA system" BS.  Every year you cant just say, "Hey, its going to take half a season for us to start playing well."  Every school has lots of turnover w/ the transfer changes.  

This isnt acceptable in year 3 of a coach.  Get to the dance this year or the pitchforks are coming out for CMA.  Its sounds harsh but it is what it is.  Start winning!

CMA’s first club played some of their best ball early.  I believe we were 12-2 and bear Arizona and West Virginia.
 

 

[Section3]

I agree w/ this "CMA system" BS.  Every year you cant just say, "Hey, its going to take half a season for us to start playing well."  Every school has lots of turnover w/ the transfer changes.  

This isnt acceptable in year 3 of a coach.  Get to the dance this year or the pitchforks are coming out for CMA.  Its sounds harsh but it is what it is.  Start winning!

The trouble is what coach with any status or ability would want to come here after CMA is let go?
Answer No one !
Our only chance to get such a coach was Pitino. We chose to pass and he cant be gotten now. We need a big name coach to recruit. Recruits will come for a big time coach. But alas we are done as a basketball powerhouse. Maybe we should dump mens basketball and bring back mrns track. It is over. We are cooked and an embarrassment. We can only live in the past which is getting further and further away


 

If we are not going to do what it takes as a program to win in the Big East then let’s just drop down to the A-10 where at least we’ll have chance.

Like death and taxes, the A10 posts start…..why not the NEC or just go Indy

 

[Section3]

I agree w/ this "CMA system" BS.  Every year you cant just say, "Hey, its going to take half a season for us to start playing well."  Every school has lots of turnover w/ the transfer changes.  

This isnt acceptable in year 3 of a coach.  Get to the dance this year or the pitchforks are coming out for CMA.  Its sounds harsh but it is what it is.  Start winning!

CMA’s first club played some of their best ball early.  I believe we were 12-2 and bear Arizona and West Virginia.

 

Do you think either of those teams was in the same league as Kansas? There may not be a team in BE in the same league as Kansas

 

[Andrew]

I agree w/ this "CMA system" BS.  Every year you cant just say, "Hey, its going to take half a season for us to start playing well."  Every school has lots of turnover w/ the transfer changes.  

This isnt acceptable in year 3 of a coach.  Get to the dance this year or the pitchforks are coming out for CMA.  Its sounds harsh but it is what it is.  Start winning!

CMA’s first club played some of their best ball early.  I believe we were 12-2 and bear Arizona and West Virginia.


 

Do you think either of those teams was in the same league as Kansas? There may not be a team in BE in the same league as Kansas

Villanova is
 

 

[RedStormNC]

Interesting to lost at the ESPN game shot chart and just click on the missed shots and notice how many we took and missed on the left side 

[URL]https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game/_/gameId/401372016[/URL]

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[usguard]

Goes with the salary

 

[usguard]

I say if we had a few good rebounder we win this game.Can not  win if you are out rebounded 47-29
Not  one player is a stronger interior rebounder.We are  to soft in the middle 

 

[Section3]

Was at the game and am 1/2 way thru watching it again on DVR. . .as many have already noted, general consensus is that it was a mistake to pull Champ after we had cut it to 3 in the 2nd half. I said it then and still agree.

But, in watching the 1st half again, we really blew an opportunity in the 1st half after cutting it to 5 with 5+ minutes left in the half. We then had at least 4-5 extremely poor and ill-timed turnovers that turned it back to a 13 point game, All of it points back to our current penchant for undisciplined play. It was like climbing a mountain only to fall down a level and having to do it again. Too much energy expended.

One other thing I noticed both in the Indiana and Kansas games. Those teams close out very quickly on shooters and we don’t. Expect that CMA will deliver this message and may have to change the starting lineups in order to ensure its is received,

A winning team recognizes these critical points in a game and gets more focused. We need to do it and quickly.

 

 

[matt105]

Agree that adjustments in the starting  five are necessary. I think that the new players and transfers must adjust to the level of play that is new to them . the new players ,other than the Big 10 transfers., had a very difficult time  finding a chance to get off a shot and this has to change . Too much negativity on the board right now . Gonzaga lost last night to Alabama , last week Alabama lost to Iona . It is a long season !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BrookJersey Redmen]

Nova is in the same league as Kansas, for someone who said no BE team is there.

We got beat by #8 in the country with a HoF coach, and seriously good players, or a floor we never played on before.

We will play much better than we have so far, it is a matter of time, but we can't afford that typical HUGE Big East league play HOLE we also dig for ourselves.

 

[beast of the east]

Interesting to lost at the ESPN game shot chart and just click on the missed shots and notice how many we took and missed on the left side 

[URL]https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game/_/gameId/401372016[/URL]

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One of the keys in basketball is getting your team the shots you want them to be taking, and making your opponents also shoot the shots you want them to be taking.

Notice that with Kansas, every shot outside of the paint except one was a three point shot near the line, spread out on the perimeter.   They had a ton of shots in the paint, largely due to offensive rebounds.