(POST GAME) @Providence, Wed. Jan. 15, 8:30p, FS-1 / 570 WMCA

It’s definitely a rebuild this year. No way around that. We need a lot more talent. Valiant effort but effort alone doesn’t win ball games. Will need a few years and more guys who can put the ball in e basket. I’m not upset about it. Just the way it is and it’s obvious these kids play really hard and are well-coached. Just not enough skills to translate. Providence has underperformed, but they have talent there and may were pretty highly recruited there.
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=372645][quote="redmaninalbany" post=372636]I can't understand how Figueroa doesn't self-correct on the chuck shots from the seats or the floaters from 15 feet . Surely there is someone telling him that if this continues his chance of playing pro ball will vanish. [/quote]

I'm rather sure he knows he won't be playing professionally, in the NBA, anytime soon if ever. I hope he returns next season, but not banking on it.[/quote]

He will 100% be back. Hes got nowhere to go.
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=372640]Having a closer is almost as important in basketball than it is in baseball. You need that one guy who you can trust to step up and get a bucket in close games, especially on the road.

Example: see the road game we won at Marquette last season.


We don’t have that this year. It sucks. But I feel we are gonna give seton hall, who’s stock has never been higher with this win streak they are on, a really good game.[/quote] That's why I always laugh whenever coaches say, "yeah, we may not have anyone among the league leaders in scoring, but we have 3 or 4 guys who can hurt you down the stretch, so the defense just can't focus on one guy." Kind of like when an NFL team says they have 2 quartetbacks.
 
Knight, I hope you're right but I don't see that happening unless Heron and Fig have to right their own ship with smarter overall offense shot selection. Coach must have spoken about this but it should be self-evident.
Until we get a top class point guard, next year, we will rely on Dunn's control of the floor. While he makes good plays often enough and has the right temperament for the position, his instincts and speed on the drives, I'm not sure his judgement matches those skills as a floor general. We are getting out rebounded in part due to the same old size issues. The bench players are adequate filling roles and they may play even more to develop them...but that means it's because they will contribute in future years, not be takeover players this season.
I sincerely hope your right and I'm wrong. But, beyond sheer emotion, I just don't see Coach elevating this team anymore than he has to date. Anderson probably improves our standing....some day.....but I don't hold much hope for it to be meaningful this season.
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=372646]It’s definitely a rebuild this year. No way around that. We need a lot more talent. Valiant effort but effort alone doesn’t win ball games. Will need a few years and more guys who can put the ball in e basket. I’m not upset about it. Just the way it is and it’s obvious these kids play really hard and are well-coached. Just not enough skills to translate. Providence has underperformed, but they have talent there and may were pretty highly recruited there.[/quote] Still not sold on Providence. The conference gave them what turned out to be a gift early schedule. I think we'll beat them at CA next month. Providence could very well be 4-7 going into that game.
 
Not hard to explain this loss Heron and Figueroa 6/26 shooting. Not going to get it done.
 
[quote="Duke of Earlington" post=372647][quote="MJDinkins" post=372645][quote="redmaninalbany" post=372636]I can't understand how Figueroa doesn't self-correct on the chuck shots from the seats or the floaters from 15 feet . Surely there is someone telling him that if this continues his chance of playing pro ball will vanish. [/quote]

I'm rather sure he knows he won't be playing professionally, in the NBA, anytime soon if ever. I hope he returns next season, but not banking on it.[/quote]

He will 100% be back. Hes got nowhere to go.[/quote]

You know there's somewhere called overseas/abroad.
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=372640] We don’t have that this year. It sucks. But I feel we are gonna give seton hall, who’s stock has never been higher with this win streak they are on, a really good game.[/quote]

I think we're gonna win on Saturday.
 
Dunn, 34 minutes, with the ball in his hand most of the time, ZERO assists. Save the "he's not really a point guard" lines. That's just terrible. Why does he get so many shots blocked? The other team knows he's not giving it up.
Crazy idea, but how about trying a bigger lineup when they are in these stretches of not scoring? Maybe Sears and Roberts together, Marcus at the three? At least they could cut down on the other team's offensive rebounds.
Dumber play- Dunn running down the clock or Heron taking a wild 2 pointer?
 
Many of our guys are trying to do too much, beyond their abilities, a la Dunn & Figgy.

Big disparity at the free throw line: Providence 17-24, SJU 8-13.
 
Well, it wasn't a blow out like last year. The Johnnies played hard untill the end.

I wasn't impressed by either teams offense. Poor shot selection and execution. Providence had the edge in talent and edged out a win.

I was disappointed with CMA's finish at the end. Bringing in Heron cold wasn't a good move. But I can't think of a better option.
 
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LJ and Heron killed us this game. Along with Dunn. Gotta clean up the turnovers and convert when at the rim. Not sure if that’s something that can be corrected or wait till next year. Our defense is salty. But finding a bucket has been hard for now. 12-0 when 70+. 0-6 when below. Tells the story. Terrible shot by LJ and Mustapha today!
 
It will be tough to watch, but this year is necessary if this team is going to grow in future years. In hockey terms, we have a bunch of 3rd and 4th line players, forced into 1st and 2nd line roles The key for this year is development of the younger players. After the season, CMA and staff need to evaluate them, and determine where their ceiling lies. Things will get better. It’s just not a quick, painless process. (I’ve been waiting 35years).
 
[quote="Ken Shark" post=372654]Dunn, 34 minutes, with the ball in his hand most of the time, ZERO assists. Save the "he's not really a point guard" lines. That's just terrible. Why does he get so many shots blocked? The other team knows he's not giving it up.
Crazy idea, but how about trying a bigger lineup when they are in these stretches of not scoring? Maybe Sears and Roberts together, Marcus at the three? At least they could cut down on the other team's offensive rebounds.
Dumber play- Dunn running down the clock or Heron taking a wild 2 pointer?[/quote]

And last game when Dunn carried us to victory, no one complained every one on this board praised his style of play. It's fairly simple at this point....if we shoot well from outside, we win. If we rebound, we win. We didn't do either one of those things all that well tonight.
 
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Harsh commentary but the NY Post is telling it like it is.

Even with Providence shooting a ghastly 34.3 percent, St. John’s stared at a 31-26 halftime deficit, hardly the way to burst out in search of the first road win of the season. But you shoot like you’re wearing a blindfold, hit the offensive glass like you’re wearing two blindfolds and fail to take care of the ball, you tend to end up on the short end of the score.

But those two offensive boards (yeah, St. John’s didn’t convert the other second chance, either) could not offset the array of nine turnovers the Red Storm unleashed before halftime. Many of the mistakes came in bunches.
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[quote="Porgyman" post=372661]It will be tough to watch, but this year is necessary if this team is going to grow in future years. In hockey terms, we have a bunch of 3rd and 4th line players, forced into 1st and 2nd line roles The key for this year is development of the younger players. After the season, CMA and staff need to evaluate them, and determine where their ceiling lies. Things will get better. It’s just not a quick, painless process. (I’ve been waiting 35years).[/quote]

Thing is it (a turnaround) can happen quickly in basketball. Will it occur next season? Not sure. But an ascension in basketball can happen more so than any other team sport.
 
Have to feel bad for Heron. Last chance to impress the scouts, and his production and confidence are at a career low point. He is a much better player than he has been showing. Seems like a carryover from the Arizona State game in the NCAA. As for Figgy, somewhere there must be a stat for average distance of the 3 pointers he takes. Has to be over 30 feet. Some here believed that Ponds hurt Heron's game, but it seems he misses a player that is constantly the focus of other teams defense.
 
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[quote="Ken Shark" post=372654]Dunn, 34 minutes, with the ball in his hand most of the time, ZERO assists. Save the "he's not really a point guard" lines. That's just terrible. Why does he get so many shots blocked? The other team knows he's not giving it up.
Crazy idea, but how about trying a bigger lineup when they are in these stretches of not scoring? Maybe Sears and Roberts together, Marcus at the three? At least they could cut down on the other team's offensive rebounds.
Dumber play- Dunn running down the clock or Heron taking a wild 2 pointer?[/quote] Hard to get any assists, when your teammates can't make shots. I'm sure he set LJ up on some of those open threes, but LJ was John Starks in Houston tonight. Nobody was getting assists giving it to him.
 
[quote="MJDinkins" post=372664][quote="Porgyman" post=372661]It will be tough to watch, but this year is necessary if this team is going to grow in future years. In hockey terms, we have a bunch of 3rd and 4th line players, forced into 1st and 2nd line roles The key for this year is development of the younger players. After the season, CMA and staff need to evaluate them, and determine where their ceiling lies. Things will get better. It’s just not a quick, painless process. (I’ve been waiting 35years).[/quote]

Thing is it (a turnaround) can happen quickly in basketball. Will it occur next season? Not sure. But an ascension in basketball can happen more so than any other team sport.[/quote]
Agreed, however you need to add a very special player for a quick turnaround. A four or five star recruit with leadership skills. Unfortunately, that type of player is beyond our grasp right now.
 
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