(POST GAME) @Georgetown, Sun., Dec. 13, 7:30p, FS-1 / 970 AM WNYM
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L J S A
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[quote="Moose" post=408650]But Josh Roberts adds zero. He was a zero under the last staff and still is that. People want to say its because he had surgery if that makes him sleep better, great[/quote]
Stop beating around the bush and tell us how you really feel about him.
Stop beating around the bush and tell us how you really feel about him.
My thought non Roberts was/is that the thing he does better than anyone else we have is give some size and defensive presence in the paint. Since Georgetown had their big guy basically having his way, Roberts might have at least posed some resistance and maybe prevented a little of the interior damage. And, maybe blocked/altered a few shots. Toro had his best game, but mostly rebounding,. I did not really see him pose any real résistance to Wahab. Jmho.
[quote="Moose" post=408650][quote="Knight" post=408645][quote="Moose" post=408638][quote="Knight" post=408636]Could have used Roberts with Moore and given Champ a breather from the 38 minutes he played, in an off night.[/quote]
But Roberts provides zero offensively and him being in the game just deflects additional eyes and attention to other players who actually can score.[/quote]
My point is that Champ was less then his usual self last night, and was gassed in the late going.[/quote]
Yeah I know. But Josh Roberts adds zero. He was a zero under the last staff and still is that. People want to say its because he had surgery if that makes him sleep better, great.
Everyone complains and rightly so about the hockey line changes and what happens when we do that. There is a scoring drought inevitably. I just don't see what Roberts coming in at the expense of a weapon (bad night and all) would have done besides playing 4 on 5 on the offensive end.[/quote]
[quote="Moose" post=408650][quote="Knight" post=408645][quote="Moose" post=408638][quote="Knight" post=408636]Could have used Roberts with Moore and given Champ a breather from the 38 minutes he played, in an off night.[/quote]
But Roberts provides zero offensively and him being in the game just deflects additional eyes and attention to other players who actually can score.[/quote]
My point is that Champ was less then his usual self last night, and was gassed in the late going.[/quote]
Yeah I know. But Josh Roberts adds zero. He was a zero under the last staff and still is that. People want to say its because he had surgery if that makes him sleep better, great.
Everyone complains and rightly so about the hockey line changes and what happens when we do that. There is a scoring drought inevitably. I just don't see what Roberts coming in at the expense of a weapon (bad night and all) would have done besides playing 4 on 5 on the offensive end.[/quote]
Moose
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[quote="Knight" post=408651]Moose-
I trust you saw how tired Champ was in the last 5+ minutes. He limited his contribution to setting high picks. He was gassed.[/quote]
I wasn't ever thinking about Josh entering the game at the end.
I was wishing we had a senior guard to help hold the ball and penetrate.
Oh wait we did and he missed his usual 3-4 layups.
I trust you saw how tired Champ was in the last 5+ minutes. He limited his contribution to setting high picks. He was gassed.[/quote]
I wasn't ever thinking about Josh entering the game at the end.
I was wishing we had a senior guard to help hold the ball and penetrate.
Oh wait we did and he missed his usual 3-4 layups.
Moose
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[quote="L J S A" post=408652][quote="Moose" post=408650]But Josh Roberts adds zero. He was a zero under the last staff and still is that. People want to say its because he had surgery if that makes him sleep better, great[/quote]
Stop beating around the bush and tell us how you really feel about him.[/quote]
How much time you got?
Stop beating around the bush and tell us how you really feel about him.[/quote]
How much time you got?
Moose
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I don't think he strikes fear in any other big man let alone Wahab. I think it would have led to more fouls and trips to the FT line where Wahab is actually a halfway decent shooter.
[quote="redmanwest" post=408653]My thought non Roberts was/is that the thing he does better than anyone else we have is give some size and defensive presence in the paint. Since Georgetown had their big guy basically having his way, Roberts might have at least posed some resistance and maybe prevented a little of the interior damage. And, maybe blocked/altered a few shots. Toro had his best game, but mostly rebounding,. I did not really see him pose any real résistance to Wahab. Jmho.
[quote="Moose" post=408650][quote="Knight" post=408645][quote="Moose" post=408638][quote="Knight" post=408636]Could have used Roberts with Moore and given Champ a breather from the 38 minutes he played, in an off night.[/quote]
But Roberts provides zero offensively and him being in the game just deflects additional eyes and attention to other players who actually can score.[/quote]
My point is that Champ was less then his usual self last night, and was gassed in the late going.[/quote]
Yeah I know. But Josh Roberts adds zero. He was a zero under the last staff and still is that. People want to say its because he had surgery if that makes him sleep better, great.
Everyone complains and rightly so about the hockey line changes and what happens when we do that. There is a scoring drought inevitably. I just don't see what Roberts coming in at the expense of a weapon (bad night and all) would have done besides playing 4 on 5 on the offensive end.[/quote][/quote]
[quote="redmanwest" post=408653]My thought non Roberts was/is that the thing he does better than anyone else we have is give some size and defensive presence in the paint. Since Georgetown had their big guy basically having his way, Roberts might have at least posed some resistance and maybe prevented a little of the interior damage. And, maybe blocked/altered a few shots. Toro had his best game, but mostly rebounding,. I did not really see him pose any real résistance to Wahab. Jmho.
[quote="Moose" post=408650][quote="Knight" post=408645][quote="Moose" post=408638][quote="Knight" post=408636]Could have used Roberts with Moore and given Champ a breather from the 38 minutes he played, in an off night.[/quote]
But Roberts provides zero offensively and him being in the game just deflects additional eyes and attention to other players who actually can score.[/quote]
My point is that Champ was less then his usual self last night, and was gassed in the late going.[/quote]
Yeah I know. But Josh Roberts adds zero. He was a zero under the last staff and still is that. People want to say its because he had surgery if that makes him sleep better, great.
Everyone complains and rightly so about the hockey line changes and what happens when we do that. There is a scoring drought inevitably. I just don't see what Roberts coming in at the expense of a weapon (bad night and all) would have done besides playing 4 on 5 on the offensive end.[/quote][/quote]
I feel the full court pressing has been effective enough. A major problem has been that too many times after creating a turnover that should lead to an easy basket we have thrown the ball away almost immediately. Most of the time with no pressure. You can't press and do that.
Overall the team is awful with the ball. Posh has a lot of talent but he is a freshman, and Cole is a bad ballhandler. When teams have pressed SJU back it has been hard to watch. It's league play now and tape is accumulating, so that is concerning. Dunn will help.
For me, the half court trapping is what is killing the team. For every steal it has led to way too many wide open threes. It's this part of the defensive philosophy that I am wary of working. I just think the amount of good three point shooters makes it ineffective as anything other than something to be used here and there, out of a timeout, etc.
Overall the team is awful with the ball. Posh has a lot of talent but he is a freshman, and Cole is a bad ballhandler. When teams have pressed SJU back it has been hard to watch. It's league play now and tape is accumulating, so that is concerning. Dunn will help.
For me, the half court trapping is what is killing the team. For every steal it has led to way too many wide open threes. It's this part of the defensive philosophy that I am wary of working. I just think the amount of good three point shooters makes it ineffective as anything other than something to be used here and there, out of a timeout, etc.
[quote="IDRAFT" post=408662]I feel the full court pressing has been effective enough. A major problem has been that too many times after creating a turnover that should lead to an easy basket we have thrown the ball away almost immediately. Most of the time with no pressure. You can't press and do that.
Overall the team is awful with the ball. Posh has a lot of talent but he is a freshman, and Cole is a bad ballhandler. When teams have pressed SJU back it has been hard to watch. It's league play now and tape is accumulating, so that is concerning. Dunn will help.
For me, the half court trapping is what is killing the team. For every steal it has led to way too many wide open threes. It's this part of the defensive philosophy that I am wary of working. I just think the amount of good three point shooters makes it ineffective as anything other than something to be used here and there, out of a timeout, etc.[/quote]
I agree with the first two paragraphs. The most consistent thing about the team has been that it plays stupid basketball (or careless if you prefer) in situations when it doesn't need to force things. And I am not as high on Posh as others - he does some good things, but his handle and decision-making and defense other than the steals are not impressive, at least not yet. I am happier with Dunn or even McGriff in the game, but clearly CMA plans to build around Posh so we are taking our lumps for now.
As I posted elsewhere the pressure D is a risk/reward approach. I think that once it is dialed in AND the players learn how to change gears behind it then we will be just fine. But time will tell on that, you might be right. If it turns out that Coach is a one-trick pony and that trick doesn't work anymore, that would be a problem.
Overall the team is awful with the ball. Posh has a lot of talent but he is a freshman, and Cole is a bad ballhandler. When teams have pressed SJU back it has been hard to watch. It's league play now and tape is accumulating, so that is concerning. Dunn will help.
For me, the half court trapping is what is killing the team. For every steal it has led to way too many wide open threes. It's this part of the defensive philosophy that I am wary of working. I just think the amount of good three point shooters makes it ineffective as anything other than something to be used here and there, out of a timeout, etc.[/quote]
I agree with the first two paragraphs. The most consistent thing about the team has been that it plays stupid basketball (or careless if you prefer) in situations when it doesn't need to force things. And I am not as high on Posh as others - he does some good things, but his handle and decision-making and defense other than the steals are not impressive, at least not yet. I am happier with Dunn or even McGriff in the game, but clearly CMA plans to build around Posh so we are taking our lumps for now.
As I posted elsewhere the pressure D is a risk/reward approach. I think that once it is dialed in AND the players learn how to change gears behind it then we will be just fine. But time will tell on that, you might be right. If it turns out that Coach is a one-trick pony and that trick doesn't work anymore, that would be a problem.
[quote="lawmanfan" post=408664]For me, the half court trapping is what is
I agree with the first two paragraphs. The most consistent thing about the team has been that it plays stupid basketball (or careless if you prefer) in situations when it doesn't need to force things. And I am not as high on Posh as others - he does some good things, but his handle and decision-making and defense other than the steals are not impressive, at least not yet. I am happier with Dunn or even McGriff in the game, but clearly CMA plans to build around Posh so we are taking our lumps for now.
As I posted elsewhere the pressure D is a risk/reward approach. I think that once it is dialed in AND the players learn how to change gears behind it then we will be just fine. But time will tell on that, you might be right. If it turns out that Coach is a one-trick pony and that trick doesn't work anymore, that would be a problem.[/quote]
I think Posh has the physical tools to become a terrific defender. He just has to hone those skills and play smarter. His issues are correctable. His ball handling does need help as well as his handle is too loose and he also tends to play a bit wildly. Correctable issues that can be ironed out as this season and career progresses.
Re: Coach Anderson possibly being a one-trick pony.... Let's hope that's not the case or as you stated that would be trouble. This is why I hope he's able or capable of tweaking some things.
I agree with the first two paragraphs. The most consistent thing about the team has been that it plays stupid basketball (or careless if you prefer) in situations when it doesn't need to force things. And I am not as high on Posh as others - he does some good things, but his handle and decision-making and defense other than the steals are not impressive, at least not yet. I am happier with Dunn or even McGriff in the game, but clearly CMA plans to build around Posh so we are taking our lumps for now.
As I posted elsewhere the pressure D is a risk/reward approach. I think that once it is dialed in AND the players learn how to change gears behind it then we will be just fine. But time will tell on that, you might be right. If it turns out that Coach is a one-trick pony and that trick doesn't work anymore, that would be a problem.[/quote]
I think Posh has the physical tools to become a terrific defender. He just has to hone those skills and play smarter. His issues are correctable. His ball handling does need help as well as his handle is too loose and he also tends to play a bit wildly. Correctable issues that can be ironed out as this season and career progresses.
Re: Coach Anderson possibly being a one-trick pony.... Let's hope that's not the case or as you stated that would be trouble. This is why I hope he's able or capable of tweaking some things.
One thing to remember is in past years we would play about 10 games before BE play starts. This year after 8 games we have already played 2 BE games. We don't have those extra games to get ready for the BE.
Ray Morgan
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[quote="MJDinkins" post=408666][quote="lawmanfan" post=408664]For me, the half court trapping is what is
I agree with the first two paragraphs. The most consistent thing about the team has been that it plays stupid basketball (or careless if you prefer) in situations when it doesn't need to force things. And I am not as high on Posh as others - he does some good things, but his handle and decision-making and defense other than the steals are not impressive, at least not yet. I am happier with Dunn or even McGriff in the game, but clearly CMA plans to build around Posh so we are taking our lumps for now.
As I posted elsewhere the pressure D is a risk/reward approach. I think that once it is dialed in AND the players learn how to change gears behind it then we will be just fine. But time will tell on that, you might be right. If it turns out that Coach is a one-trick pony and that trick doesn't work anymore, that would be a problem.[/quote]
I think Posh has the physical tools to become a terrific defender. He just has to hone those skills and play smarter. His issues are correctable. His ball handling does need help as well as his handle is too loose and he also tends to play a bit wildly. Correctable issues that can be ironed out as this season and career progresses.
Re: Coach Anderson possibly being a one-trick pony.... Let's hope that's not the case or as you stated that would be trouble. This is why I hope he's able or capable of tweaking some things.[/quote]
I like Posh a lot. He plays so hard, and does it all game. His body type for a point guard is interesting, He and Wusu are built more like fullbacks than one would expect from a 1 and 2. That body type does not generally associate with good 3 point shooters. My best guess is that Posh scores 90% of his points from the line or on layups. Both he and Wusu appear to have an uphill climb to becoming 3 point threats. We will face defenses all year that will pack it in and give up the 3. That limits our options.
I agree with the first two paragraphs. The most consistent thing about the team has been that it plays stupid basketball (or careless if you prefer) in situations when it doesn't need to force things. And I am not as high on Posh as others - he does some good things, but his handle and decision-making and defense other than the steals are not impressive, at least not yet. I am happier with Dunn or even McGriff in the game, but clearly CMA plans to build around Posh so we are taking our lumps for now.
As I posted elsewhere the pressure D is a risk/reward approach. I think that once it is dialed in AND the players learn how to change gears behind it then we will be just fine. But time will tell on that, you might be right. If it turns out that Coach is a one-trick pony and that trick doesn't work anymore, that would be a problem.[/quote]
I think Posh has the physical tools to become a terrific defender. He just has to hone those skills and play smarter. His issues are correctable. His ball handling does need help as well as his handle is too loose and he also tends to play a bit wildly. Correctable issues that can be ironed out as this season and career progresses.
Re: Coach Anderson possibly being a one-trick pony.... Let's hope that's not the case or as you stated that would be trouble. This is why I hope he's able or capable of tweaking some things.[/quote]
I like Posh a lot. He plays so hard, and does it all game. His body type for a point guard is interesting, He and Wusu are built more like fullbacks than one would expect from a 1 and 2. That body type does not generally associate with good 3 point shooters. My best guess is that Posh scores 90% of his points from the line or on layups. Both he and Wusu appear to have an uphill climb to becoming 3 point threats. We will face defenses all year that will pack it in and give up the 3. That limits our options.
[quote="MJDinkins" post=408666][quote="lawmanfan" post=408664]For me, the half court trapping is what is
I agree with the first two paragraphs. The most consistent thing about the team has been that it plays stupid basketball (or careless if you prefer) in situations when it doesn't need to force things. And I am not as high on Posh as others - he does some good things, but his handle and decision-making and defense other than the steals are not impressive, at least not yet. I am happier with Dunn or even McGriff in the game, but clearly CMA plans to build around Posh so we are taking our lumps for now.
As I posted elsewhere the pressure D is a risk/reward approach. I think that once it is dialed in AND the players learn how to change gears behind it then we will be just fine. But time will tell on that, you might be right. If it turns out that Coach is a one-trick pony and that trick doesn't work anymore, that would be a problem.[/quote]
I think Posh has the physical tools to become a terrific defender. He just has to hone those skills and play smarter. His issues are correctable. His ball handling does need help as well as his handle is too loose and he also tends to play a bit wildly. Correctable issues that can be ironed out as this season and career progresses.
Re: Coach Anderson possibly being a one-trick pony.... Let's hope that's not the case or as you stated that would be trouble. This is why I hope he's able or capable of tweaking some things.[/quote]
Like Posh upside, but one nit pick correctible defensive error is learning not to let guys blow by him so he can poke the ball loose from behind. He got burned with that a few times last night. I assume staff will take some of this schoolyard “spice” out of his defensive game and teach him merit of fundamentals.
I agree with the first two paragraphs. The most consistent thing about the team has been that it plays stupid basketball (or careless if you prefer) in situations when it doesn't need to force things. And I am not as high on Posh as others - he does some good things, but his handle and decision-making and defense other than the steals are not impressive, at least not yet. I am happier with Dunn or even McGriff in the game, but clearly CMA plans to build around Posh so we are taking our lumps for now.
As I posted elsewhere the pressure D is a risk/reward approach. I think that once it is dialed in AND the players learn how to change gears behind it then we will be just fine. But time will tell on that, you might be right. If it turns out that Coach is a one-trick pony and that trick doesn't work anymore, that would be a problem.[/quote]
I think Posh has the physical tools to become a terrific defender. He just has to hone those skills and play smarter. His issues are correctable. His ball handling does need help as well as his handle is too loose and he also tends to play a bit wildly. Correctable issues that can be ironed out as this season and career progresses.
Re: Coach Anderson possibly being a one-trick pony.... Let's hope that's not the case or as you stated that would be trouble. This is why I hope he's able or capable of tweaking some things.[/quote]
Like Posh upside, but one nit pick correctible defensive error is learning not to let guys blow by him so he can poke the ball loose from behind. He got burned with that a few times last night. I assume staff will take some of this schoolyard “spice” out of his defensive game and teach him merit of fundamentals.
TheArtest15
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What would make anyone believe that CMA would tweak anything or change up his style? Its been the same problems as last year this year, and I believe the Arkansas fans complained of the same things we are complaining of. He isn't adjusting his system, lives and dies by it.
[quote="Ray Morgan" post=408671]
I like Posh a lot. He plays so hard, and does it all game. His body type for a point guard is interesting, He and Wusu are built more like fullbacks than one would expect from a 1 and 2. That body type does not generally associate with good 3 point shooters. My best guess is that Posh scores 90% of his points from the line or on layups. Both he and Wusu appear to have an uphill climb to becoming 3 point threats. We will face defenses all year that will pack it in and give up the 3. That limits our options.[/quote]
I think that in time we are going to find that Wusu is a better shooter from distance than Posh and quite possibly that he has more upside. Agree with Paultzman and MCNPA on Posh's development needs, and I think he is going to get there. Anderson is giving him every opportunity to learn on the job.
Wusu is more of a project, but with good coaching there is a ton of upside there.
I like Posh a lot. He plays so hard, and does it all game. His body type for a point guard is interesting, He and Wusu are built more like fullbacks than one would expect from a 1 and 2. That body type does not generally associate with good 3 point shooters. My best guess is that Posh scores 90% of his points from the line or on layups. Both he and Wusu appear to have an uphill climb to becoming 3 point threats. We will face defenses all year that will pack it in and give up the 3. That limits our options.[/quote]
I think that in time we are going to find that Wusu is a better shooter from distance than Posh and quite possibly that he has more upside. Agree with Paultzman and MCNPA on Posh's development needs, and I think he is going to get there. Anderson is giving him every opportunity to learn on the job.
Wusu is more of a project, but with good coaching there is a ton of upside there.
[quote="Ray Morgan" post=408671]
I like Posh a lot. He plays so hard, and does it all game. His body type for a point guard is interesting, He and Wusu are built more like fullbacks than one would expect from a 1 and 2. That body type does not generally associate with good 3 point shooters. My best guess is that Posh scores 90% of his points from the line or on layups. Both he and Wusu appear to have an uphill climb to becoming 3 point threats. We will face defenses all year that will pack it in and give up the 3. That limits our options.[/quote]
I agree with Paulzman and MJD on Posh's development needs, and I also agree that they will be fixed in time. Coach is giving him every opportunity to learn on the job.
I also think that Wusu will turn out to be the better of the two from a long-range shooting standpoint, and may very well turn out to have more upside as well. He has a longer way to go, but possibly more tools in his toolkit if he gets there.
I like Posh a lot. He plays so hard, and does it all game. His body type for a point guard is interesting, He and Wusu are built more like fullbacks than one would expect from a 1 and 2. That body type does not generally associate with good 3 point shooters. My best guess is that Posh scores 90% of his points from the line or on layups. Both he and Wusu appear to have an uphill climb to becoming 3 point threats. We will face defenses all year that will pack it in and give up the 3. That limits our options.[/quote]
I agree with Paulzman and MJD on Posh's development needs, and I also agree that they will be fixed in time. Coach is giving him every opportunity to learn on the job.
I also think that Wusu will turn out to be the better of the two from a long-range shooting standpoint, and may very well turn out to have more upside as well. He has a longer way to go, but possibly more tools in his toolkit if he gets there.
[quote="Moose" post=408657][quote="Knight" post=408651]Moose-
I trust you saw how tired Champ was in the last 5+ minutes. He limited his contribution to setting high picks. He was gassed.[/quote]
I wasn't ever thinking about Josh entering the game at the end.
I was wishing we had a senior guard to help hold the ball and penetrate.
Oh wait we did and he missed his usual 3-4 layups.[/quote]
The point is to play Josh earlier in the game so that Champ has some gas in the tank late in the game. I only suggested Josh because he has some height and can alter some shots and rebound while Champ catches his breath.
I trust you saw how tired Champ was in the last 5+ minutes. He limited his contribution to setting high picks. He was gassed.[/quote]
I wasn't ever thinking about Josh entering the game at the end.
I was wishing we had a senior guard to help hold the ball and penetrate.
Oh wait we did and he missed his usual 3-4 layups.[/quote]
The point is to play Josh earlier in the game so that Champ has some gas in the tank late in the game. I only suggested Josh because he has some height and can alter some shots and rebound while Champ catches his breath.
Moose
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[quote="Knight" post=408684][quote="Moose" post=408657][quote="Knight" post=408651]Moose-
I trust you saw how tired Champ was in the last 5+ minutes. He limited his contribution to setting high picks. He was gassed.[/quote]
I wasn't ever thinking about Josh entering the game at the end.
I was wishing we had a senior guard to help hold the ball and penetrate.
Oh wait we did and he missed his usual 3-4 layups.[/quote]
The point is to play Josh earlier in the game so that Champ has some gas in the tank late in the game. I only suggested Josh because he has some height and can alter some shots and rebound while Champ catches his breath.[/quote]
Alter shots? Sure I guess. Their big man still would have eaten Josh alive by overpowering him.
That all being said we out rebounded them by a lot. Go figure.
Just not sure I understand the amount of attention certain players get. Namely those who don't play.
I trust you saw how tired Champ was in the last 5+ minutes. He limited his contribution to setting high picks. He was gassed.[/quote]
I wasn't ever thinking about Josh entering the game at the end.
I was wishing we had a senior guard to help hold the ball and penetrate.
Oh wait we did and he missed his usual 3-4 layups.[/quote]
The point is to play Josh earlier in the game so that Champ has some gas in the tank late in the game. I only suggested Josh because he has some height and can alter some shots and rebound while Champ catches his breath.[/quote]
Alter shots? Sure I guess. Their big man still would have eaten Josh alive by overpowering him.
That all being said we out rebounded them by a lot. Go figure.
Just not sure I understand the amount of attention certain players get. Namely those who don't play.
