(POST GAME) @Georgetown, Sun., Dec. 13, 7:30p, FS-1 / 970 AM WNYM

[quote="Moose" post=408657][quote="Knight" post=408651]Moose-
I trust you saw how tired Champ was in the last 5+ minutes. He limited his contribution to setting high picks. He was gassed.[/quote]

I wasn't ever thinking about Josh entering the game at the end.
I was wishing we had a senior guard to help hold the ball and penetrate.
Oh wait we did and he missed his usual 3-4 layups.[/quote]

When the other team has a 6'11 guy who continually leaves his man to pick up whoever is driving to the basket, when you are 6-12 inches shorter you generally lose by challenging him. Thankfully, the shots that weren't blocked (and there were 9 of them) missed and fell into the hands of Moore, who took care of business. IF you penetrate and are left with no option than to score over someone 6'11, most of the time you aren't going to win that battle, unless you are an Allen Iverson (or Pearl Washington who I enjoyed taking it to Ewing)
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=408689][quote="Moose" post=408657][quote="Knight" post=408651]Moose-
I trust you saw how tired Champ was in the last 5+ minutes. He limited his contribution to setting high picks. He was gassed.[/quote]

I wasn't ever thinking about Josh entering the game at the end.
I was wishing we had a senior guard to help hold the ball and penetrate.
Oh wait we did and he missed his usual 3-4 layups.[/quote]

When the other team has a 6'11 guy who continually leaves his man to pick up whoever is driving to the basket, when you are 6-12 inches shorter you generally lose by challenging him. Thankfully, the shots that weren't blocked (and there were 9 of them) missed and fell into the hands of Moore, who took care of business. IF you penetrate and are left with no option than to score over someone 6'11, most of the time you aren't going to win that battle, unless you are an Allen Iverson (or Pearl Washington who I enjoyed taking it to Ewing)[/quote]

Are you saying the layups that were missed were because a certain guard was running into someone 6'11?
 
[quote="RedStormRising" post=408670]One thing to remember is in past years we would play about 10 games before BE play starts. This year after 8 games we have already played 2 BE games. We don't have those extra games to get ready for the BE.[/quote]

You're right in many ways. But it was usually about 12 non-conference games before we headed into conference play. This season, it was 6 non-conference games.
 
Agree!! 7 point lead with 2 and 1/2 minutes left in regulation and 2 consecutive OOB turnovers. Totally unacceptable. There is no go to guy on this team. Champagnie has a lot of talent but is way too passive!! A ship without a rudder or a compass!!
 
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[quote="lawmanfan" post=408681][quote="Ray Morgan" post=408671]

I like Posh a lot. He plays so hard, and does it all game. His body type for a point guard is interesting, He and Wusu are built more like fullbacks than one would expect from a 1 and 2. That body type does not generally associate with good 3 point shooters. My best guess is that Posh scores 90% of his points from the line or on layups. Both he and Wusu appear to have an uphill climb to becoming 3 point threats. We will face defenses all year that will pack it in and give up the 3. That limits our options.[/quote]

I agree with Paulzman and MJD on Posh's development needs, and I also agree that they will be fixed in time. Coach is giving him every opportunity to learn on the job.

I also think that Wusu will turn out to be the better of the two from a long-range shooting standpoint, and may very well turn out to have more upside as well. He has a longer way to go, but possibly more tools in his toolkit if he gets there.[/quote]

Wusu has size, and that's an advantage Posh can't change. I have no reason to think Wusu will be the better college player, or shooter. His release is inconsistent, and his misses are not always close. I couldn't name 5 guys with Wusu's build that were excellent 3 point shooters. I'm pleasantly surprised, however, at his ability at this stage of his career. He already had a positive impact in a few games, both on offense and defense.

Will all the picks in the NFL draft, I can see a team using a late round draft pick to take a flyer on Wusu. If he has good hands, he would make a great tight end.
 
[quote="Moose" post=408685][quote="Knight" post=408684][quote="Moose" post=408657][quote="Knight" post=408651]Moose-
I trust you saw how tired Champ was in the last 5+ minutes. He limited his contribution to setting high picks. He was gassed.[/quote]

I wasn't ever thinking about Josh entering the game at the end.
I was wishing we had a senior guard to help hold the ball and penetrate.
Oh wait we did and he missed his usual 3-4 layups.[/quote]

The point is to play Josh earlier in the game so that Champ has some gas in the tank late in the game. I only suggested Josh because he has some height and can alter some shots and rebound while Champ catches his breath.[/quote]

Alter shots? Sure I guess. Their big man still would have eaten Josh alive by overpowering him.
That all being said we out rebounded them by a lot. Go figure.
Just not sure I understand the amount of attention certain players get. Namely those who don't play.[/quote]

You reminded me of a silver lining......we did rebound well last night. It was driving Ewing crazy.
 
[quote="Ray Morgan" post=408702][quote="lawmanfan" post=408681][quote="Ray Morgan" post=408671]

I like Posh a lot. He plays so hard, and does it all game. His body type for a point guard is interesting, He and Wusu are built more like fullbacks than one would expect from a 1 and 2. That body type does not generally associate with good 3 point shooters. My best guess is that Posh scores 90% of his points from the line or on layups. Both he and Wusu appear to have an uphill climb to becoming 3 point threats. We will face defenses all year that will pack it in and give up the 3. That limits our options.[/quote]

I agree with Paulzman and MJD on Posh's development needs, and I also agree that they will be fixed in time. Coach is giving him every opportunity to learn on the job.

I also think that Wusu will turn out to be the better of the two from a long-range shooting standpoint, and may very well turn out to have more upside as well. He has a longer way to go, but possibly more tools in his toolkit if he gets there.[/quote]

Wusu has size, and that's an advantage Posh can't change. I have no reason to think Wusu will be the better college player, or shooter. His release is inconsistent, and his misses are not always close. I couldn't name 5 guys with Wusu's build that were excellent 3 point shooters. I'm pleasantly surprised, however, at his ability at this stage of his career. He already had a positive impact in a few games, both on offense and defense.

Will all the picks in the NFL draft, I can see a team using a late round draft pick to take a flyer on Wusu. If he has good hands, he would make a great tight end.[/quote]
Actually probably a little small for TE in today's NFL at 6'3 230. Even if he gains weight not too many 6'3 TEs anymore maybe 20 years ago.
 
[quote="bamafan" post=408709][quote="Ray Morgan" post=408702][quote="lawmanfan" post=408681][quote="Ray Morgan" post=408671]

I like Posh a lot. He plays so hard, and does it all game. His body type for a point guard is interesting, He and Wusu are built more like fullbacks than one would expect from a 1 and 2. That body type does not generally associate with good 3 point shooters. My best guess is that Posh scores 90% of his points from the line or on layups. Both he and Wusu appear to have an uphill climb to becoming 3 point threats. We will face defenses all year that will pack it in and give up the 3. That limits our options.[/quote]

I agree with Paulzman and MJD on Posh's development needs, and I also agree that they will be fixed in time. Coach is giving him every opportunity to learn on the job.

I also think that Wusu will turn out to be the better of the two from a long-range shooting standpoint, and may very well turn out to have more upside as well. He has a longer way to go, but possibly more tools in his toolkit if he gets there.[/quote]

Wusu has size, and that's an advantage Posh can't change. I have no reason to think Wusu will be the better college player, or shooter. His release is inconsistent, and his misses are not always close. I couldn't name 5 guys with Wusu's build that were excellent 3 point shooters. I'm pleasantly surprised, however, at his ability at this stage of his career. He already had a positive impact in a few games, both on offense and defense.

Will all the picks in the NFL draft, I can see a team using a late round draft pick to take a flyer on Wusu. If he has good hands, he would make a great tight end.[/quote]
Actually probably a little small for TE in today's NFL at 6'3 230. Even if he gains weight not too many 6'3 TEs anymore maybe 20 years ago.[/quote]

That was the last time I cared about football. Product of being a J E T S fan.
 
[quote="Ray Morgan" post=408710][quote="bamafan" post=408709][quote="Ray Morgan" post=408702][quote="lawmanfan" post=408681][quote="Ray Morgan" post=408671]

I like Posh a lot. He plays so hard, and does it all game. His body type for a point guard is interesting, He and Wusu are built more like fullbacks than one would expect from a 1 and 2. That body type does not generally associate with good 3 point shooters. My best guess is that Posh scores 90% of his points from the line or on layups. Both he and Wusu appear to have an uphill climb to becoming 3 point threats. We will face defenses all year that will pack it in and give up the 3. That limits our options.[/quote]

I agree with Paulzman and MJD on Posh's development needs, and I also agree that they will be fixed in time. Coach is giving him every opportunity to learn on the job.

I also think that Wusu will turn out to be the better of the two from a long-range shooting standpoint, and may very well turn out to have more upside as well. He has a longer way to go, but possibly more tools in his toolkit if he gets there.[/quote]

Wusu has size, and that's an advantage Posh can't change. I have no reason to think Wusu will be the better college player, or shooter. His release is inconsistent, and his misses are not always close. I couldn't name 5 guys with Wusu's build that were excellent 3 point shooters. I'm pleasantly surprised, however, at his ability at this stage of his career. He already had a positive impact in a few games, both on offense and defense.

Will all the picks in the NFL draft, I can see a team using a late round draft pick to take a flyer on Wusu. If he has good hands, he would make a great tight end.[/quote]
Actually probably a little small for TE in today's NFL at 6'3 230. Even if he gains weight not too many 6'3 TEs anymore maybe 20 years ago.[/quote]

That was the last time I cared about football. Product of being a J E T S fan.[/quote]m

Earlington has a much better shot at something like that. He played football in high school and if he gets back into football shape he’ll be 6’5 250lbs
 
[quote="Vincent Shallow" post=408700]Agree!! 7 point lead with 2 and 1/2 minutes left in regulation and 2 consecutive OOB turnovers. Totally unacceptable. There is no go to guy on this team. Champagnie has a lot of talent but is way too passive!! A ship without a rudder or a compass!![/quote]

An observation from a casual fan that I know is that too many players are hesitant to take open shots. They seem to hesitate for a split second, which may be why their shooting percentage is low. It seems that Cole seems to do that a lot.

I think the coaching staff needs to give certain players--like Cole, Williams and Champ--to try to drain the 3, or better yet a higher percentage 15-18 footer, after Posh or better yet Dunn breaking down the defense with a drive, and with Moore and Earlington trying to crash the boards and get put backs. I'd live with that being our half court offense. If shots are made, great.

And on defense do half-court trap and overplay some passing lanes. I'm not sure full court or 3/4 court pressure works in the BE.
 
[quote="mm52" post=408739][quote="Vincent Shallow" post=408700]Agree!! 7 point lead with 2 and 1/2 minutes left in regulation and 2 consecutive OOB turnovers. Totally unacceptable. There is no go to guy on this team. Champagnie has a lot of talent but is way too passive!! A ship without a rudder or a compass!![/quote]

An observation from a casual fan that I know is that too many players are hesitant to take open shots. They seem to hesitate for a split second, which may be why their shooting percentage is low. It seems that Cole seems to do that a lot.

I think the coaching staff needs to give certain players--like Cole, Williams and Champ--to try to drain the 3, or better yet a higher percentage 15-18 footer, after Posh or better yet Dunn breaking down the defense with a drive, and with Moore and Earlington trying to crash the boards and get put backs. I'd live with that being our half court offense. If shots are made, great.

And on defense do half-court trap and overplay some passing lanes. I'm not sure full court or 3/4 court pressure works in the BE.[/quote]

Regarding the shot hesitation, I agree. Cole has actually had some pretty good looks recently, but he hesitates. Good 3 point shooters usually go right up with their shot confidently without hesitation. Him and Moore need to also work on hand strength and pressure on the ball when holding with 2 hands. In football, they teach you 5 points of pressure at RB so you don't fumble. It just seems they always get the ball poked out as if they're palming it. They shouldn't be dribbling IMO maybe 1 dribble for Moore then take your shot. But not more than 1. We need to design and run plays to get Cole off screens or drive and kick from Posh or Champ. Defenses will collapse on them so he will be open.
 
[quote="Moose" post=408693][quote="Beast of the East" post=408689][quote="Moose" post=408657][quote="Knight" post=408651]Moose-
I trust you saw how tired Champ was in the last 5+ minutes. He limited his contribution to setting high picks. He was gassed.[/quote]

I wasn't ever thinking about Josh entering the game at the end.
I was wishing we had a senior guard to help hold the ball and penetrate.
Oh wait we did and he missed his usual 3-4 layups.[/quote]

When the other team has a 6'11 guy who continually leaves his man to pick up whoever is driving to the basket, when you are 6-12 inches shorter you generally lose by challenging him. Thankfully, the shots that weren't blocked (and there were 9 of them) missed and fell into the hands of Moore, who took care of business. IF you penetrate and are left with no option than to score over someone 6'11, most of the time you aren't going to win that battle, unless you are an Allen Iverson (or Pearl Washington who I enjoyed taking it to Ewing)[/quote]

Are you saying the layups that were missed were because a certain guard was running into someone 6'11?[/quote]

It's very possible.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=408741][quote="Moose" post=408693][quote="Beast of the East" post=408689][quote="Moose" post=408657][quote="Knight" post=408651]Moose-
I trust you saw how tired Champ was in the last 5+ minutes. He limited his contribution to setting high picks. He was gassed.[/quote]

I wasn't ever thinking about Josh entering the game at the end.
I was wishing we had a senior guard to help hold the ball and penetrate.
Oh wait we did and he missed his usual 3-4 layups.[/quote]

When the other team has a 6'11 guy who continually leaves his man to pick up whoever is driving to the basket, when you are 6-12 inches shorter you generally lose by challenging him. Thankfully, the shots that weren't blocked (and there were 9 of them) missed and fell into the hands of Moore, who took care of business. IF you penetrate and are left with no option than to score over someone 6'11, most of the time you aren't going to win that battle, unless you are an Allen Iverson (or Pearl Washington who I enjoyed taking it to Ewing)[/quote]

Are you saying the layups that were missed were because a certain guard was running into someone 6'11?[/quote]

It's very possible.[/quote]

Sorry but no. He was missing uncontested layups.
It's like the shanks or yips in golf at this point. 3 a game guaranteed.
 
[quote="Moose" post=408742][quote="Beast of the East" post=408741][quote="Moose" post=408693][quote="Beast of the East" post=408689][quote="Moose" post=408657][quote="Knight" post=408651]Moose-
I trust you saw how tired Champ was in the last 5+ minutes. He limited his contribution to setting high picks. He was gassed.[/quote]

I wasn't ever thinking about Josh entering the game at the end.
I was wishing we had a senior guard to help hold the ball and penetrate.
Oh wait we did and he missed his usual 3-4 layups.[/quote]

When the other team has a 6'11 guy who continually leaves his man to pick up whoever is driving to the basket, when you are 6-12 inches shorter you generally lose by challenging him. Thankfully, the shots that weren't blocked (and there were 9 of them) missed and fell into the hands of Moore, who took care of business. IF you penetrate and are left with no option than to score over someone 6'11, most of the time you aren't going to win that battle, unless you are an Allen Iverson (or Pearl Washington who I enjoyed taking it to Ewing)[/quote]

Are you saying the layups that were missed were because a certain guard was running into someone 6'11?[/quote]

It's very possible.[/quote]

Sorry but no. He was missing uncontested layups.
It's like the shanks or yips in golf at this point. 3 a game guaranteed.[/quote]

That's a matter of concentration.
 
I didn’t like the total confusion we saw when they pressed us at the end of the game. We should’ve called a time out. 3 guys turned and ran down court not even checking to see if we needed help inbounding.

Will that change w experience? I hope so but we need the staff to help.

As mentioned earlier, Dunn getting going would help a lot. He should’ve been in the game to handle the ball.

We make a foul shot. We win. We grab a 50/50 ball. We win.

Year 2 and it’s obvious what we are at this point. Young, inexperienced, small, poor shooting team. I 100% expect improvement. It’s what Anderson’s teams do. Get better during the year.

Question is what year do we expect to be good out of the gate?
 
Not an Alum wrote: I didn’t like the total confusion we saw when they pressed us at the end of the game. We should’ve called a time out. 3 guys turned and ran down court not even checking to see if we needed help inbounding.

Will that change w experience? I hope so but we need the staff to help.

As mentioned earlier, Dunn getting going would help a lot. He should’ve been in the game to handle the ball.

We make a foul shot. We win. We grab a 50/50 ball. We win.

Year 2 and it’s obvious what we are at this point. Young, inexperienced, small, poor shooting team. I 100% expect improvement. It’s what Anderson’s teams do. Get better during the year.

Question is what year do we expect to be good out of the gate?

Next year's team will have 4 seniors and a junior in its core group plus a soph in Posh who will have been through a year of the Big East wars. If we can't get out of the gate quick then, not sure when.
 
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When are the refs going to start calling offensive fouls against ball handlers pushing off our defenders as they are bringing the ball up court ?
 
[quote="matt105" post=408855]When are the refs going to start calling offensive fouls against ball handlers pushing off our defenders as they are bringing the ball up court ?[/quote]

You mean the Posh version of the Eugene Lawrence-patented "throw your head back every time you dribble across the top of the key and you'll get some phantom foul calls" move?

Posh should worry more about staying in front of his man and stopping the ball than that "fall back as though you got pushed" move.
 
[quote="lawmanfan" post=408858][quote="matt105" post=408855]When are the refs going to start calling offensive fouls against ball handlers pushing off our defenders as they are bringing the ball up court ?[/quote]

You mean the Posh version of the Eugene Lawrence-patented "throw your head back every time you dribble across the top of the key and you'll get some phantom foul calls" move?

Posh should worry more about staying in front of his man and stopping the ball than that "fall back as though you got pushed" move.[/quote]

Refs are ignoring this call all the time. Posh embellishes when the refs refuse to make the call.
 
[quote="lawmanfan" post=408858][quote="matt105" post=408855]When are the refs going to start calling offensive fouls against ball handlers pushing off our defenders as they are bringing the ball up court ?[/quote]

You mean the Posh version of the Eugene Lawrence-patented "throw your head back every time you dribble across the top of the key and you'll get some phantom foul calls" move?

Posh should worry more about staying in front of his man and stopping the ball than that "fall back as though you got pushed" move.[/quote]

I've sat through my friend's son's games for a few years now (he's currently 12) and there are kids doing it. I'm in Oakland, so you would think no kid wants to emulate Harden, but it keeps happening.
 
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