(POST GAME) @Georgetown, Sun., Dec. 13, 7:30p, FS-1 / 970 AM WNYM

As harsh as it is, we do not have a complete Roster of BE talent right now . We need more weapons in the 3 point game , Quicker and bigger Forwards and a legitimate BE sized Center . Maybe Mike needs to recruit Europe or Australia ? Or ,like GTown , Nigeria . Ewing has 2 7 ‘ footers from Lagos !! We are trying to compete in the BE with Mid Major talent . It won’t produce a team that can escape that 3 rd tier . Our long range shooting is poor ! GTown had 4 guys on the Court who could drain those open 3’s , we don’t . And , nearly all opponents do too . They outshoot us every game . Nearly every game , our players are beaten off the dribble . Either they aren’t quick enough or , our Defense is that bad . Robert’s has legitimate Shot blocking skills but , didn’t play last night . Why ? If he’s healthy , he should get some minutes ! A Shot blocker covers up others defensive mistakes . Moore is not a shot blocker , neither is Toro . Right now , there are way too many doubts about this team and 8 games into the Season , that’s a problem .
 
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[quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=408590]As harsh as it is, we do not have a complete Roster of BE talent right now . We need more weapons in the 3 point game , Quicker and bigger Forwards and a legitimate BE sized Center . Maybe Mike needs to recruit Europe or Australia ? Or ,like GTown , Nigeria . Ewing has 2 7 ‘ footers from Lagos !! We are trying to compete in the BE with Mid Major talent . It won’t produce a team that can escape that 3 rd tier . Our long range shooting is poor ! GTown had 4 guys on the Court who could drain those open 3’s , we don’t . And , nearly all opponents do too . They outshoot us every game . Nearly every game , our players are beaten off the dribble . Either they aren’t quick enough or , our Defense is that bad . Robert’s has legitimate Shot blocking skills but , didn’t play last night . Why ? If he’s healthy , he should get some minutes ! A Shot blocker covers up others defensive mistakes . Moore is not a shot blocker , neither is Toro . Right now , there are way too many doubts about this team and 8 games into the Season , that’s a problem .[/quote]

We don't have a complete roster of BE talent now? So when is it going to happen? Another point...Moore had the game of his life and people wonder why Roberts didn't get minutes? Sheesh.
 
[quote="Monte" post=408580]Not much to add that hasn't already been said....multiple times. Frustrating to loose a game like that. Still hoping we can make NIT but without OOC games to pad our win total, gonna be tough to do. Like GT, we have some nice parts but also lack some crucial parts, and overall our talent level is not sufficient to compete with the better teams in the Big East. We'll still win some games, but don't see it being enough to make it to the NIT. I'm not ready to throw CMA under the bus, but he needs to see that he cannot win in the Big East with the this level of talent. As for his brand of ball, I don't see him changing. It's what he's built his career success. He got some criticism about it at Ark as well. So get used to it, and just hope he brings in more talent and some skilled big man(men).[/quote]

Frustrating. Disappointing. Aggravating.
Yes, Yes, Yes.
But as to this comment:

I'm not ready to throw CMA under the bus, but he needs to see that he cannot win in the Big East with the this level of talent.

Don’t you think:
Mike Anderson and staff know this?
Mike Anderson and staff want Ws not Ls?
Mike Anderson and staff are making the effort to move this program in a better direction?

As far as how many games we win, we just have to wait and see. Everything else is speculation. Maybe like last year we will play our best ball as the season progresses - if it progresses in light of COVID.

I appreciate all the insights, many are better than mine!
 
[quote="redmaninalbany" post=408558]on Cole:
Yes he has potential that should have been polished in prior years. As of today however, while he will have good games this is the reality of his performance:

He plays no D unless it’s in the front court looking for steals. In the 1/2 court set, he is repeatedly blown past or doesn't hustle to the open guy on the switches.
He offense is horrendous. He thinks that he can shoot or drive at will. Fadeaway jumpers with NOBODY under the rim. Off the dribble jumpers, off balance jumpers, they are all good shots to him. That deeper-than-NBA, OFF THE DRIBBLE, STEP BACK and not in rhythm when down by only 1 point and 17 seconds still left on the clock made me INSANE. He shouldn’t be out there. He demonstrated that numerous times but the coach either doesn't believe in anyone on the bench, including Earlington, or they don’t see how badly he lacks maturity in the game.[/quote]

Or maybe CMA knows he needs Cole to be productive to beat the better teams, and is giving him a lot of time to learn on the job. CMA will stick with his system, and knows that excelling in it takes time. Cole made some poor decisions yesterday. The hope is that he learned from those mistakes. I know he is not afraid to take the big shot, and that he has the confidence to make them.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=408557][quote="Logen" post=408555][quote="Beast of the East" post=408553]We gave the ball away twice in the last two minutes of regulation, made only 2 of 4 free throws with Champ and Posh on the line, but a 7 point lead with Gtown having the ball is not exactly insurmountable. As soon as Gtown scored it was a two possession game with over 2 minutes remaining. The final play of regulation with Greg Williams scoring a floater at the buzzed was brilliantly executed and a great spread of the floor. We rarely have seen an out of bounds play at game's end executed successfully. Credit there.

This was basically a winnable away game between the predicted 9th and 10th place team in conference. We played well in spots and poorly in others. The same was true w=for Georgetown. It stings that we didn't put it away, or at least run some time off the clock on those two inbound turnovers.

We are 0-1 in conference, but to listen to some guys here, it's like we are 0-6. You are already predicting a losing season overall, the firing of the coach, losing the Cuffe recruiting battle, on and on. I posted yesterday that if we lost at Georgetown (we were a 2 point underdog), it puts pressure on us to win next week when we play them at home.

Relax, this isn't supposed to be a tourney team. Weaknesses will be exposed, some correctable, some only with more talent. Wahab blocked 9 shots, but wandered away from Moore so often that Isaih went 26 and 14 rebounds. Good teams will carve up Georgetown if this is how Wahab plays defense. With some corrections, we will drive and dish more when our guards and small forwards encounter Wahab - maybe by next Sunday.

It's frustrating, but admittedly a lot easier to post this the morning after and not right after the game. Perspective, right Panther?[/quote]

We are 0-2 in the conference and if posting the morning after works for you, do it. Many here have perspective but perspective does not mean being blind to what you are seeing. I respect CMA for taking the blame for the loss, hopefully that translates into something real. I agree he cannot play for the players, he is not missing free throws, throwing bad passes or committing untimely dumb fouls but the trend of playing tentative and folding at the end of games needs to addressed by the staff, plain and simple.[/quote]

You game critiques are valid, but obviously I'm not too concerned at this point about our record because I never believed we are a bubble team or anything close to it. I stated very early I felt this team was somewhere between 7-13 and 9-11 in conference, and I still think that's in range.[/quote]

So what? I agree we are not a bubble team and with all due respect, I don’t care what you are concerned with; if you are satisfied to lose so you can be right, so be it. I don’t care to speculate on records before a season begins but that is just me. But poor play late resulting in our beating ourselves has happened too frequently to be ignored. I raised this last year and all the “ranking gurus” ignored me then and will now - how is it that our low ranking players are good enough to lead games for 37 minutes and then pull a Cinderella and turn back into pumpkins for the last 3? Still interested in basketball related reply’s but I’m not holding my breath.
 
[quote="Logen" post=408601][quote="Beast of the East" post=408557][quote="Logen" post=408555][quote="Beast of the East" post=408553]We gave the ball away twice in the last two minutes of regulation, made only 2 of 4 free throws with Champ and Posh on the line, but a 7 point lead with Gtown having the ball is not exactly insurmountable. As soon as Gtown scored it was a two possession game with over 2 minutes remaining. The final play of regulation with Greg Williams scoring a floater at the buzzed was brilliantly executed and a great spread of the floor. We rarely have seen an out of bounds play at game's end executed successfully. Credit there.

This was basically a winnable away game between the predicted 9th and 10th place team in conference. We played well in spots and poorly in others. The same was true w=for Georgetown. It stings that we didn't put it away, or at least run some time off the clock on those two inbound turnovers.

We are 0-1 in conference, but to listen to some guys here, it's like we are 0-6. You are already predicting a losing season overall, the firing of the coach, losing the Cuffe recruiting battle, on and on. I posted yesterday that if we lost at Georgetown (we were a 2 point underdog), it puts pressure on us to win next week when we play them at home.

Relax, this isn't supposed to be a tourney team. Weaknesses will be exposed, some correctable, some only with more talent. Wahab blocked 9 shots, but wandered away from Moore so often that Isaih went 26 and 14 rebounds. Good teams will carve up Georgetown if this is how Wahab plays defense. With some corrections, we will drive and dish more when our guards and small forwards encounter Wahab - maybe by next Sunday.

It's frustrating, but admittedly a lot easier to post this the morning after and not right after the game. Perspective, right Panther?[/quote]

We are 0-2 in the conference and if posting the morning after works for you, do it. Many here have perspective but perspective does not mean being blind to what you are seeing. I respect CMA for taking the blame for the loss, hopefully that translates into something real. I agree he cannot play for the players, he is not missing free throws, throwing bad passes or committing untimely dumb fouls but the trend of playing tentative and folding at the end of games needs to addressed by the staff, plain and simple.[/quote]

You game critiques are valid, but obviously I'm not too concerned at this point about our record because I never believed we are a bubble team or anything close to it. I stated very early I felt this team was somewhere between 7-13 and 9-11 in conference, and I still think that's in range.[/quote]

So what? I agree we are not a bubble team and with all due respect, I don’t care what you are concerned with; if you are satisfied to lose so you can be right, so be it. I don’t care to speculate on records before a season begins but that is just me. But poor play late resulting in our beating ourselves has happened too frequently to be ignored. I raised this last year and all the “ranking gurus” ignored me then and will now - how is it that our low ranking players are good enough to lead games for 37 minutes and then pull a Cinderella and turn back into pumpkins for the last 3? Still interested in basketball related reply’s but I’m not holding my breath.[/quote]

Gee, might it relate to coaching decisions?
 
[quote="Logen" post=408601][quote="Beast of the East" post=408557][quote="Logen" post=408555][quote="Beast of the East" post=408553]We gave the ball away twice in the last two minutes of regulation, made only 2 of 4 free throws with Champ and Posh on the line, but a 7 point lead with Gtown having the ball is not exactly insurmountable. As soon as Gtown scored it was a two possession game with over 2 minutes remaining. The final play of regulation with Greg Williams scoring a floater at the buzzed was brilliantly executed and a great spread of the floor. We rarely have seen an out of bounds play at game's end executed successfully. Credit there.

This was basically a winnable away game between the predicted 9th and 10th place team in conference. We played well in spots and poorly in others. The same was true w=for Georgetown. It stings that we didn't put it away, or at least run some time off the clock on those two inbound turnovers.

We are 0-1 in conference, but to listen to some guys here, it's like we are 0-6. You are already predicting a losing season overall, the firing of the coach, losing the Cuffe recruiting battle, on and on. I posted yesterday that if we lost at Georgetown (we were a 2 point underdog), it puts pressure on us to win next week when we play them at home.

Relax, this isn't supposed to be a tourney team. Weaknesses will be exposed, some correctable, some only with more talent. Wahab blocked 9 shots, but wandered away from Moore so often that Isaih went 26 and 14 rebounds. Good teams will carve up Georgetown if this is how Wahab plays defense. With some corrections, we will drive and dish more when our guards and small forwards encounter Wahab - maybe by next Sunday.

It's frustrating, but admittedly a lot easier to post this the morning after and not right after the game. Perspective, right Panther?[/quote]

We are 0-2 in the conference and if posting the morning after works for you, do it. Many here have perspective but perspective does not mean being blind to what you are seeing. I respect CMA for taking the blame for the loss, hopefully that translates into something real. I agree he cannot play for the players, he is not missing free throws, throwing bad passes or committing untimely dumb fouls but the trend of playing tentative and folding at the end of games needs to addressed by the staff, plain and simple.[/quote]

You game critiques are valid, but obviously I'm not too concerned at this point about our record because I never believed we are a bubble team or anything close to it. I stated very early I felt this team was somewhere between 7-13 and 9-11 in conference, and I still think that's in range.[/quote]

So what? I agree we are not a bubble team and with all due respect, I don’t care what you are concerned with; if you are satisfied to lose so you can be right, so be it. I don’t care to speculate on records before a season begins but that is just me. But poor play late resulting in our beating ourselves has happened too frequently to be ignored. I raised this last year and all the “ranking gurus” ignored me then and will now - how is it that our low ranking players are good enough to lead games for 37 minutes and then pull a Cinderella and turn back into pumpkins for the last 3? Still interested in basketball related reply’s but I’m not holding my breath.[/quote]

The problem with you is that you are just so goddamned smart, and every post tries to prove superiority to every single poster here. We do not have the talent to compete against the top 6 teams in the league. IF you expect an undermanned team with a new cast of rotation players to play like a squad that has played together for an entire season go ahead. What do you think, you see bad defense and no one else does? You see turnovers and no one else does? You see bad decisions on offense and no one else does. When you insult any poster enough and he bites back at you, you go into fetal position, whine, and disappear vowing never ever to return. You are just what the majority of this site is, a bunch of old men with nothing better to do than to watch games on TV and report on how much they know, constantly comparing the current team to teams of 20,30, and 40 years ago. Sort of pathetic. Now you can go on to expand on how you didn't go to college because you were way too smart for that, but still had a brilliant career.
 
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=408411]Not a good team, not a good coach. Not good enough recruiting. Sorry[/quote]

You seem upset. What's the matter-St. John's never lost a game before?
 
[quote="Ray Morgan" post=408610][quote="Mike Zaun" post=408411]Not a good team, not a good coach. Not good enough recruiting. Sorry[/quote]

You seem upset. What's the matter-St. John's never lost a game before?[/quote]

Haha! He's generally negative and pessimistic, as I'm sure you're keenly aware. He feeds off it (though he'll probably attempt to deny it, but past behavior says differently). I'm sure you personally know someone like that as well. I call 'em "Vampires." They'll suck the energy outta a room.
 
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Listen, this is a team, while better than last year's with more depth, is still barely a .500 team in the BE and likely not a tournament team. except for Champ and Williams (as long as he is no foul trouble), everyone is pretty inconsistent. Hence the results so far. Moore did last night what we all thought /hoped he'd be. Hopefully he will continue to build on that. Cole still hasn't built on good performances he has had.

Nice inbounds pass by Posh to Williams to get us into OT. But, of course, we should not have been in that position in the first place.

One issue I had is why CMA gave minutes to Toro rather than Roberts. Toro likes to set those high screens, but defenders lay off him because they know he will never get the pass for an 18 foot shot.

And for what it's worth, I also don't like people speculating that Champ might one day look to transfer.
 
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[quote="MJDinkins" post=408613][quote="Ray Morgan" post=408610][quote="Mike Zaun" post=408411]Not a good team, not a good coach. Not good enough recruiting. Sorry[/quote]

You seem upset. What's the matter-St. John's never lost a game before?[/quote]

Haha! He's generally negative and pessimistic, as I'm sure you're keenly aware. He feeds off it (though he'll probably attempt to deny it, but past behavior says differently). I'm sure you personally know someone like that as well. I call 'em "Vampires." They'll suck the energy outta a room.[/quote]

You spelled "realist" wrong. What comes off as "negative" is often reality here sadly. Me and those who share my view wish we were wrong. I can hate gravity, but at the end of the day it's still there...unless I get on a rocket and go to space which many would prob enjoy lol
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=408630][quote="MJDinkins" post=408613][quote="Ray Morgan" post=408610][quote="Mike Zaun" post=408411]Not a good team, not a good coach. Not good enough recruiting. Sorry[/quote]

You seem upset. What's the matter-St. John's never lost a game before?[/quote]

Haha! He's generally negative and pessimistic, as I'm sure you're keenly aware. He feeds off it (though he'll probably attempt to deny it, but past behavior says differently). I'm sure you personally know someone like that as well. I call 'em "Vampires." They'll suck the energy outta a room.[/quote]

You spelled "realist" wrong. What comes off as "negative" is often reality here sadly. Me and those who share my view wish we were wrong. I can hate gravity, but at the end of the day it's still there...unless I get on a rocket and go to space which many would prob enjoy lol[/quote]

Pretty much all pessimists and negative noobs consider what they say or believe to be realistic. You and others like you love to justify your actions, but it doesn't change what your actions actually speak.

If you think my observations of you is entirely related to sports (although, I believe in behavior manifesting itself across the board), then you're sadly mistaken.

By the way, why would we enjoy you going to space? The thing is you and only you truly care to hear about you. You're so obsessed to be heard (and complain) has made you a "machine gun" poster to social media. Get a grip.
 
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[quote="newsman13" post=408594][quote="SLYFOXX1968" post=408590]As harsh as it is, we do not have a complete Roster of BE talent right now . We need more weapons in the 3 point game , Quicker and bigger Forwards and a legitimate BE sized Center . Maybe Mike needs to recruit Europe or Australia ? Or ,like GTown , Nigeria . Ewing has 2 7 ‘ footers from Lagos !! We are trying to compete in the BE with Mid Major talent . It won’t produce a team that can escape that 3 rd tier . Our long range shooting is poor ! GTown had 4 guys on the Court who could drain those open 3’s , we don’t . And , nearly all opponents do too . They outshoot us every game . Nearly every game , our players are beaten off the dribble . Either they aren’t quick enough or , our Defense is that bad . Robert’s has legitimate Shot blocking skills but , didn’t play last night . Why ? If he’s healthy , he should get some minutes ! A Shot blocker covers up others defensive mistakes . Moore is not a shot blocker , neither is Toro . Right now , there are way too many doubts about this team and 8 games into the Season , that’s a problem .[/quote]

We don't have a complete roster of BE talent now? So when is it going to happen? Another point...Moore had the game of his life and people wonder why Roberts didn't get minutes? Sheesh.[/quote]. Yes , no one is denying Moore’s game last night was a impressive Offensive one . The point was that there were times during the Game that a shot blocker like Roberts could be valuable . Not to give him any play poses questions about his status or where he fits in the Rotation . Often times Coaches substitutes Defense for offense on a play by play basis , especially late in games . Roberts is a known quality shot blocker and might have altered a few of those attacks to the Rim that the Hoyas got so easily . Especially in OT..
 
[quote="AJ Hidell" post=408568][quote="Vinny" post=408551]It looks to me like we are now officially irrelevant in College basketball. It's been so long since we have consistently won or been a B.E. factor that basketballs new generation reacts to SJU with complete indifference. Many basketball fans are surprised to learn of SJU's success in the past, it's been that long. Aside from an aging alumni base SJU is just a basketball team and nothing more. Now, with our declining fan base and program is the time to quietly find a more appropriate conference to play in. It would be embarrassing, and painful to many of us but what's the point of the program we've become. Changing conference affiliation would put us in the position to compete yearly for NCCA berths and NIT. Floundering in the B.E. is pointless. Our time as a B.E. player has passed.[/quote]

It won’t matter for the future as the Power 5 schools are planning to leave the NCAA and create their own group and it will not be including non football schools like the Big East. They are planning on their own March Madness tourney and CBS will go with them. They do not want to share their football revenue and potential hoops money with non football schools anymore.That will leave the non football schools alone in the NIT. My guess is that happens within 2 years. The Power 5 and Group of 5 schools are tired of the NCAA and their archaic rules and will branch out on their own. And when it becomes imminent, the better coaches will leave the Big East and latch on to Power 5 jobs as they open.[/quote]

I doubt anything like that is happening any time soon in basketball. Part of the lure of the tournament and what makes it so successful is the number of schools involved. Everyone’s who’s alma mater is in will watch. The underdog nature of these smaller conference schools is a great draw for the tournament. It’s not like that in football.

Also, NCAA extended tournament deal with CBS, Turner through 2032 for $8.8 billion. The men's NCAA basketball tournament will remain on CBS and Turner through 2032 thanks to an eight-year, $8.8 billion extension.
 
Could have used Roberts with Moore and given Champ a breather from the 38 minutes he played, in an off night.
 
[quote="Knight" post=408636]Could have used Roberts with Moore and given Champ a breather from the 38 minutes he played, in an off night.[/quote]

But Roberts provides zero offensively and him being in the game just deflects additional eyes and attention to other players who actually can score.
 
I understand all the frustration and I am just as frustrated. Right now though all we can do is root for this team to develop and improve the same way last years team did. All we can do is get behind them , hope for the best and trust that like last season CMA and staff with get the problem issues rectified. That’s all we can do at this point.
 
[quote="Moose" post=408638][quote="Knight" post=408636]Could have used Roberts with Moore and given Champ a breather from the 38 minutes he played, in an off night.[/quote]

But Roberts provides zero offensively and him being in the game just deflects additional eyes and attention to other players who actually can score.[/quote]

My point is that Champ was less then his usual self last night, and was gassed in the late going.
 
We played pretty well offensively. At times our press/trap defense was disruptive. Our recovery defense when that didn't work, and as usual our fundamental defense, was terrible. We had numerous spasms of stupidity that ultimately cost us the game.

Moore was great (duh). Williams is still not assertive enough. Earlington played well. Toro had his best outing of the season. Cole struggled. Champagnie did not get enough touches. Dunn should have been in the game instead of Posh down the stretch and in OT.

Posh needs to get past his Alexei Kovalev with the Rangers stretch - either do something with the ball or give it to someone else. Far too much aimless dribbling and I continue to be concerned at the sloppiness of his handle, especially in traffic. His quick hands save him from turnovers, but it's concerning.

Enormously frustrating, but not hugely surprising if you watched the last game each team played. Put it in the rear view mirror and try to compete with Creighton for 40 minutes- they're really, really good, if we lose by 12 that will be nice.
 
[quote="Knight" post=408645][quote="Moose" post=408638][quote="Knight" post=408636]Could have used Roberts with Moore and given Champ a breather from the 38 minutes he played, in an off night.[/quote]

But Roberts provides zero offensively and him being in the game just deflects additional eyes and attention to other players who actually can score.[/quote]

My point is that Champ was less then his usual self last night, and was gassed in the late going.[/quote]

Yeah I know. But Josh Roberts adds zero. He was a zero under the last staff and still is that. People want to say its because he had surgery if that makes him sleep better, great.

Everyone complains and rightly so about the hockey line changes and what happens when we do that. There is a scoring drought inevitably. I just don't see what Roberts coming in at the expense of a weapon (bad night and all) would have done besides playing 4 on 5 on the offensive end.
 
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