Posh or Ponds?

It’s too soon in Posh’s career to give this the proper answer plus I would regard Posh a 1 and Ponds a true 2 so it’s a tough comparison to make. 

It reminds me of the Messi/Ronaldo debate. Messi is a true 9 and Ronaldo a true 10. Different types of players. 
 
Defensive end - Posh

Ofrensive end - Ponds

Give me Hatten, he excelled at both. /media/kunena/emoticons/cool.png
 
espken post=446319 said:
Defensive end - Posh

Ofrensive end - Ponds

Give me Hatten, he excelled at both. /media/kunena/emoticons/cool.png



I'm with you, Ken, but I've been a St John's fan for 55 years and Posh plays as hard as anybody I've ever seen wear the red and white. Major props to him. He' s our Energizer bunny!!!
 
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Probably fairer to compare after 3 years from Posh. Having said that, I'll take Posh in a minute, effort is light years better. But I was admittedly not a big Shamorie fan.
 
I think one guy clearly has more talent and one guy clearly has a better approach. Just so happens the guy with the better approach has quite a bit of talent as well.

I think shamorie at his best was as good as any guard in the country. Not sure if Posh has that potential but he’ll do everything he can to give him the best chance to get there. 
 
Amaseinyourface wrote:

I think one guy clearly has more talent and one guy clearly has a better approach. Just so happens the guy with the better approach has quite a bit of talent as well.

I think shamorie at his best was as good as any guard in the country. Not sure if Posh has that potential but he’ll do everything he can to give him the best chance to get there. 

Amase, imho problem was Shamorie wasn't at his best often enough and even at his best do not think he was as good as contemporaries Ja Morant or Trae Young as a college player. But we can agree to disagree here. If the talent is even remotely close, I'll go with the guy who gives maximum effort every time.
 
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NCJohnnie post=446357 said:
Amaseinyourface wrote:

I think one guy clearly has more talent and one guy clearly has a better approach. Just so happens the guy with the better approach has quite a bit of talent as well.

I think shamorie at his best was as good as any guard in the country. Not sure if Posh has that potential but he’ll do everything he can to give him the best chance to get there. 

Amase, imho problem was Shamorie wasn't at his best often enough and even at his best do not think he was as good as contemporaries Ja Morant or Trae Young as a college player. But we can agree to disagree here. If the talent is even remotely close, I'll go with the guy who gives maximum effort every time.

Shamorie could take over a game and single handedly lead us to victory against elite competition  (Duke, Nova and a number of other games).

Posh is terrific with incredible  intangibles.  But I think he’s turnover prone and a poor shooter at this juncture.  Granted Ponds shot poorly from outside his sophomore year, but comparing the two at this point in their careers, I’d take Ponds.
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I believe the original question was, "who would you pick?"
If I were choosing sides in a schoolyard or starting a team, it would be Posh hands down. Ponds more talented, but that wasn't the question. I'll always go for the player who gives 100+%, especially when that player is also extremely talented. 
 
The ball in Ponds' hands in last possession with the game on the line. Also with a few seconds on the shot clock. Every other situation-Posh Alexander.
 
NCJohnnie post=446357 said:
Amaseinyourface wrote:

I think one guy clearly has more talent and one guy clearly has a better approach. Just so happens the guy with the better approach has quite a bit of talent as well.

I think shamorie at his best was as good as any guard in the country. Not sure if Posh has that potential but he’ll do everything he can to give him the best chance to get there. 

Amase, imho problem was Shamorie wasn't at his best often enough and even at his best do not think he was as good as contemporaries Ja Morant or Trae Young as a college player. But we can agree to disagree here. If the talent is even remotely close, I'll go with the guy who gives maximum effort every time.
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NC, I cant disagree with you about one guy giving maximum effort all the time. And that means a lot. Ill still say for about 5 games his sophomore year Shamorie was as good as anyone. And those guys you mentioned were amazing.

5 game stretch - 4 wins

Xavier - 31, 5 asts, 5 rebs, 6 stls

Duke - 33, 3, 7, 4 steals

@nova (#1) - 26, 5, 5, 2

Marquette - 44 points, 2, 4, 1

@ DePaul - 26 points, 10 asts, 5, 2

AVG- 32 pt, 5 ast, 5 reb, 3 stl


Would have been awesome to see the two of them together and how their strengths would have matched. Thunder and lightning. 
 
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Unfair comparison.   If you asked this question based on Ponds at midseason in his final year, he was playing like an NBA first round pick that he wanted to be.   The wheels fell off of Ponds season and the Johnnies season.   So frustrating for him that he amassed 7 technical fouls his junior year.   
 
espken post=446319 said:
Defensive end - Posh

Ofrensive end - Ponds

Give me Hatten, he excelled at both. /media/kunena/emoticons/cool.png
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Hatten was a Junior so lets see where Posh is at next year I think his junior and senior year will be better than hatten assuming we have solid supporting cast
 
Amase,

Totally respect your opinion and others who point out that Shamorie could take over a game offensively, put up huge numbers and lead us to big wins which he did. I'd also submit that he did the opposite on occasion and was a defensive liability for sure. It's a question of whether you prefer pure talent somewhat unfulfilled or pure toughness with perhaps not as much talent.
I dont think there will be too many games where we will say if Posh was really interested we would have won. I remember a few of those games with Shamorie but maybe I'm misremembering.
 
Love Posh. But Ponds is one of the best players to ever put on the Red, Ponds was on track to being third all time in scoring with a shot at second. 
 
Redman#13 post=446421 said:
Love Posh. But Ponds is one of the best players to ever put on the Red, Ponds was on track to being third all time in scoring with a shot at second. 
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Ponds could have become #1 point scorer. He had 1870...last two seasons he had 647 & 650 respectively. If he did it again would have been 2520 vs. Mullin's 2440 (and I recognize Mullin didn't have 3 pt shot benefit)

Posh is really fun to watch so far, but  raw.  He's gritty and I love that.. Him taking Colin Gillespie lunch money is his highlight..

Love watching his defense and bodies hitting the floor drives, but watching Ponds at his best offensively was more memorable for me so far. He was so confident and calm when he sliced up other defenses. Sure he got lazy on defense at times but he was pretty good rebounder and steals too.

If Posh can just stick that outside shot a bit and win some big games over next year or two, I'd call it even, but too soon to call.. Need to see Posh do it more vs. better competition. He's capable no doubt.
 
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Ponds was a big time scorer (at times)...period! One of the best in the last 20 years? Sure. But that ain't saying a whole hell of a lot.  All time great?  Not even close. 
 
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