Pitino - Love/Hate Thread

[SJU Double Alumn]

There is a reason Anderson was released from his last job. And I am beginning to think there is a reason we had 8 transfers. If it wasnt for Champagnie this team might be the worst in the BE if not in division 1
They should have hired Pitino he can recruit and coach but the school was too upset that he had an extra marital affair. Alas did the Vincentians ever hear of confession forgiveness and rehabilitation?

There is a reason no major program is touching Pitino. He is a reprehensible sleaze and has been for years. Personal scandals, basketball scandals. I am glad the school will not sell out its morals to hire him.
We have a coach now who is an experienced, quality coach and a high quality person. He came into a mess, and during a crazy environment in college basketball due to covid, and with the worst facilities in major program basketball, he has made progress to get us competitive and build the program. We finally have a President and AD that want to elevate the program and improve facilities, and a respected quality experienced head coach with a good staff. Let's support them.

 

[monte]

There is a reason Anderson was released from his last job. And I am beginning to think there is a reason we had 8 transfers. If it wasnt for Champagnie this team might be the worst in the BE if not in division 1
They should have hired Pitino he can recruit and coach but the school was too upset that he had an extra marital affair. Alas did the Vincentians ever hear of confession forgiveness and rehabilitation?

There is a reason no major program is touching Pitino. He is a reprehensible sleaze and has been for years. Personal scandals, basketball scandals. I am glad the school will not sell out its morals to hire him.
We have a coach now who is an experienced, quality coach and a high quality person. He came into a mess, and during a crazy environment in college basketball due to covid, and with the worst facilities in major program basketball, he has made progress to get us competitive and build the program. We finally have a President and AD that want to elevate the program and improve facilities, and a respected quality experienced head coach with a good staff. Let's support them.

I get your point, but if you seriously do not think that there are major programs who are eyeballing Pitino at this very moment, then I don't know what to tell you. 

 

[austour]

There is a reason Anderson was released from his last job. And I am beginning to think there is a reason we had 8 transfers. If it wasnt for Champagnie this team might be the worst in the BE if not in division 1
They should have hired Pitino he can recruit and coach but the school was too upset that he had an extra marital affair. Alas did the Vincentians ever hear of confession forgiveness and rehabilitation?

There is a reason no major program is touching Pitino. He is a reprehensible sleaze and has been for years. Personal scandals, basketball scandals. I am glad the school will not sell out its morals to hire him.
We have a coach now who is an experienced, quality coach and a high quality person. He came into a mess, and during a crazy environment in college basketball due to covid, and with the worst facilities in major program basketball, he has made progress to get us competitive and build the program. We finally have a President and AD that want to elevate the program and improve facilities, and a respected quality experienced head coach with a good staff. Let's support them.
 

I get your point, but if you seriously do not think that there are major programs who are eyeballing Pitino at this very moment, then I don't know what to tell you. 
 

Have to agree with Monte.  There are plenty of reprehensibly sleazy programs out there where Pitino would fit right in.

 

[fordham96]

Pitino has been coaching at Iona for less than 2 years one of which was under full COVID. 

The idea that because he has not been hired at a major job is proof he is no longer employable is beyond stupid.

Btw unlike Bruce Pearl Pitino never even had a show cause penalty. He is also 69 years old. 

 

[SJU Double Alumn]

Pitino has been coaching at Iona for less than 2 years one of which was under full COVID. 

The idea that because he has not been hired at a major job is proof he is no longer employable is beyond stupid.

Btw unlike Bruce Pearl Pitino never even had a show cause penalty. He is also 69 years old. 

So no coaches have been hired at major programs during Covid? What was that you said about beyond stupid? ....

 

[SJU Double Alumn]

There is a reason Anderson was released from his last job. And I am beginning to think there is a reason we had 8 transfers. If it wasnt for Champagnie this team might be the worst in the BE if not in division 1
They should have hired Pitino he can recruit and coach but the school was too upset that he had an extra marital affair. Alas did the Vincentians ever hear of confession forgiveness and rehabilitation?

There is a reason no major program is touching Pitino. He is a reprehensible sleaze and has been for years. Personal scandals, basketball scandals. I am glad the school will not sell out its morals to hire him.
We have a coach now who is an experienced, quality coach and a high quality person. He came into a mess, and during a crazy environment in college basketball due to covid, and with the worst facilities in major program basketball, he has made progress to get us competitive and build the program. We finally have a President and AD that want to elevate the program and improve facilities, and a respected quality experienced head coach with a good staff. Let's support them.

 

I get your point, but if you seriously do not think that there are major programs who are eyeballing Pitino at this very moment, then I don't know what to tell you. 

 

Have to agree with Monte.  There are plenty of reprehensibly sleazy programs out there where Pitino would fit right in.

Good point- big program college basketball has shown itself to be quite sleazy over the years. Still, I prefer St. John's not muddy itself.

 

[beast of the east]

The real question is "Why the hell are we talking so much about Rick Pitino?"

 

[room112]

The real question is "Why the hell are we talking so much about Rick Pitino?"

Because half of our fans on this board are so desperate to win that they'd overlook the fact that a coach is a liar, proven cheater, adulterer etc as long as it leads to wins for the program.

 

[beast of the east]

The real question is "Why the hell are we talking so much about Rick Pitino?"

Because half of our fans on this board are so desperate to win that they'd overlook the fact that a coach is a liar, proven cheater, adulterer etc as long as it leads to wins for the program.

I was going to guess that most remember when Little Ricky started kindergarten at St. Dominicks elementary school in Oyster Bay

Hire Pitino and fire Cragg and hire Jack Molinas as AD, which our sports investors will love.

 

[monte]

There is a reason Anderson was released from his last job. And I am beginning to think there is a reason we had 8 transfers. If it wasnt for Champagnie this team might be the worst in the BE if not in division 1
They should have hired Pitino he can recruit and coach but the school was too upset that he had an extra marital affair. Alas did the Vincentians ever hear of confession forgiveness and rehabilitation?

There is a reason no major program is touching Pitino. He is a reprehensible sleaze and has been for years. Personal scandals, basketball scandals. I am glad the school will not sell out its morals to hire him.
We have a coach now who is an experienced, quality coach and a high quality person. He came into a mess, and during a crazy environment in college basketball due to covid, and with the worst facilities in major program basketball, he has made progress to get us competitive and build the program. We finally have a President and AD that want to elevate the program and improve facilities, and a respected quality experienced head coach with a good staff. Let's support them.

 

I get your point, but if you seriously do not think that there are major programs who are eyeballing Pitino at this very moment, then I don't know what to tell you. 

 

Have to agree with Monte.  There are plenty of reprehensibly sleazy programs out there where Pitino would fit right in.

Yeah, except he was hired by a small catholic school, not Auburn or LSU. They obviously saw fit to give him another chance. But, ya know, maybe if he had killed someone SJU would have seen fit to forgive him. 

 

[SJU Double Alumn]

There is a reason Anderson was released from his last job. And I am beginning to think there is a reason we had 8 transfers. If it wasnt for Champagnie this team might be the worst in the BE if not in division 1
They should have hired Pitino he can recruit and coach but the school was too upset that he had an extra marital affair. Alas did the Vincentians ever hear of confession forgiveness and rehabilitation?

There is a reason no major program is touching Pitino. He is a reprehensible sleaze and has been for years. Personal scandals, basketball scandals. I am glad the school will not sell out its morals to hire him.
We have a coach now who is an experienced, quality coach and a high quality person. He came into a mess, and during a crazy environment in college basketball due to covid, and with the worst facilities in major program basketball, he has made progress to get us competitive and build the program. We finally have a President and AD that want to elevate the program and improve facilities, and a respected quality experienced head coach with a good staff. Let's support them.


 

I get your point, but if you seriously do not think that there are major programs who are eyeballing Pitino at this very moment, then I don't know what to tell you. 


 

Have to agree with Monte.  There are plenty of reprehensibly sleazy programs out there where Pitino would fit right in.

Yeah, except he was hired by a small catholic school, not Auburn or LSU. They obviously saw fit to give him another chance. But, ya know, maybe if he had killed someone SJU would have seen fit to forgive him. 

Yeah, this point misses the mark by a mile. SJU isn’t hiring Jayson Williams to be the basketball coach. Forgiving and hiring to lead the program and players is apples and oranges. 

 

[fuchsia]

The real question is "Why the hell are we talking so much about Rick Pitino?"

Because half of our fans on this board are so desperate to win that they'd overlook the fact that a coach is a liar, proven cheater, adulterer etc as long as it leads to wins for the program.

I was going to guess that most remember when Little Ricky started kindergarten at St. Dominicks elementary school in Oyster Bay

Hire Pitino and fire Cragg and hire Jack Molinas as AD, which our sports investors will love.

Beast, there might be a slight problem with your plan.
Jacob Louis Molinas (October 31, 1931 – August 3, 1975)

 

[monte]

There is a reason Anderson was released from his last job. And I am beginning to think there is a reason we had 8 transfers. If it wasnt for Champagnie this team might be the worst in the BE if not in division 1
They should have hired Pitino he can recruit and coach but the school was too upset that he had an extra marital affair. Alas did the Vincentians ever hear of confession forgiveness and rehabilitation?

There is a reason no major program is touching Pitino. He is a reprehensible sleaze and has been for years. Personal scandals, basketball scandals. I am glad the school will not sell out its morals to hire him.
We have a coach now who is an experienced, quality coach and a high quality person. He came into a mess, and during a crazy environment in college basketball due to covid, and with the worst facilities in major program basketball, he has made progress to get us competitive and build the program. We finally have a President and AD that want to elevate the program and improve facilities, and a respected quality experienced head coach with a good staff. Let's support them.



 

I get your point, but if you seriously do not think that there are major programs who are eyeballing Pitino at this very moment, then I don't know what to tell you. 



 

Have to agree with Monte.  There are plenty of reprehensibly sleazy programs out there where Pitino would fit right in.

Yeah, except he was hired by a small catholic school, not Auburn or LSU. They obviously saw fit to give him another chance. But, ya know, maybe if he had killed someone SJU would have seen fit to forgive him. 

Yeah, this point misses the mark by a mile. SJU isn’t hiring Jayson Williams to be the basketball coach. Forgiving and hiring to lead the program and players is apples and oranges. 

It's called "selective forgiveness". It usually has to do with money. The Catholic church is notorious for it. Believe it or don't, I could care less. 

 

[fuchsia]

Monte, wasn't there once a guy who got so ticked off by what were then called Church indulgences that he nailed a note of protest to a Cathedral door?

 

[beast of the east]

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Frankly, that's garbage. Villanova took the Dupont name off the Pavillion when the donor was convicted of murder. St. John's stood by Jayson years after he made a million dollar donation. Key members of the AD support Rysheed Jordan even though he doesn't have a penny to donate to the school. Jayson has come a long way and works every day to stay sober and help others. I've taken cheap shots in the past and my friend Panther rightfully called me on it. Let's not drag Jayson into any discussion about Pitino.

 

[monte]

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Frankly, that's garbage. Villanova took the Dupont name off the Pavillion when the donor was convicted of murder. St. John's stood by Jayson years after he made a million dollar donation. Key members of the AD support Rysheed Jordan even though he doesn't have a penny to donate to the school. Jayson has come a long way and works every day to stay sober and help others. I've taken cheap shots in the past and my friend Panther rightfully called me on it. Let's not drag Jayson into any discussion about Pitino.

This isn't about JW, it's about hypocrisy. 

 

[austour]

Have to agree with Monte.  There are plenty of reprehensibly sleazy programs out there where Pitino would fit right in.
 

Yeah, except he was hired by a small catholic school, not Auburn or LSU. They obviously saw fit to give him another chance. But, ya know, maybe if he had killed someone SJU would have seen fit to forgive him. 

As I'm sure you're aware my OP was a joke.  And obviously you don't know me well or you'd be aware I place the Catholic Church much higher on the reprehensibly sleazy scale than the Auburn or LSU basketball programs.  But to be clear when it comes to the basketball programs I personally wouldn't condemn anyone for hiring Pitino. Just identifying that said program will likely have to splain itself, or maybe not.

 

[monte]

Have to agree with Monte.  There are plenty of reprehensibly sleazy programs out there where Pitino would fit right in.

 

Yeah, except he was hired by a small catholic school, not Auburn or LSU. They obviously saw fit to give him another chance. But, ya know, maybe if he had killed someone SJU would have seen fit to forgive him. 

As I'm sure you're aware my OP was a joke.  And obviously you don't know me well or you'd be aware I place the Catholic Church much higher on the reprehensibly sleazy scale than the Auburn or LSU basketball programs.  But to be clear when it comes to the basketball programs I personally wouldn't condemn anyone for hiring Pitino. Just identifying that said program will likely have to splain itself, or maybe not.

Your OP/joke went way over my head Austour. Thanks for splaination. 

 

[L J S A]

Simple...No, he isn't the answer. His resume the last decade + speaks for itself. He is a safe choice that will keep the program treading water, but that's about it. Get ready to be disappointed year in and year out. 

The answer to the question really depends on what you think is a realistic goal. If you are looking to make the tournament and win a couple games more often than not, I definitely think he can be the guy if recruiting picks up a bit. If he were 50 instead of 60 we could potentially have had a nice little run with him (again, dependent on recruiting).

But if you expect a national championship, there really were only two guys on the move anytime recently that could legitimately have had a chance to deliver one. But one of them is a 100 percent no for most of the board here.

 

[panther2]

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Frankly, that's garbage. Villanova took the Dupont name off the Pavillion when the donor was convicted of murder. St. John's stood by Jayson years after he made a million dollar donation. Key members of the AD support Rysheed Jordan even though he doesn't have a penny to donate to the school. Jayson has come a long way and works every day to stay sober and help others. I've taken cheap shots in the past and my friend Panther rightfully called me on it. Let's not drag Jayson into any discussion about Pitino.

This isn't about JW, it's about hypocrisy. 
 

Ok Monte, let's talk about being a hypocrite. Part of being a college coach is instilling values in your players and being their to support them even when they are finished playing.

I first met Andre McGee in the early 2000's when he came to the Adids ABCD Camp in Teaneck, where I was working. When he graduated from high school in 2005, he was one of the top rated PG's in the country. He chose to attend Louisville but his college career did not live up to expectations due to injuries. He was the starting PG as a senior, then played overseas for a year.

McGee then went back to Louisville as a Grad Assistant and after two years was promoted to DOB Operations. In 2014, he left Louisville to become for a position as an Asst Coach at UMKC. This is when the scandal broke about strippers and prostitutes being provide for recruits and their fathers, friends, and handlers by Louisville. When this happened, Pitino placed all of the blame on Andre McGee, claiming he had no knowledge at all of what was going on. Two things are wrong with this, #1, Pitino is a control freak, which is why he is so good as a coach. He controls every aspect of his program. There is no way recruits were at these parties without his knowledge. #2, as a DOB, McGee did not have the money to fund these parties with strippers and prostitutes, It had to come from somewhere. When Pitino threw the McGee under the bus, I lost all respect for him as a Coach and as a Man. He was all about saving his own ass at the expense of one of his former players and DOB. To me, this shows that Pitino has a lack of values, morals, and integrity. There is no way I would want him involved in the shaping of young men's lives.

As for the Jayson Williams / Pitino comparison, not even close. As Beast pointed out, Jayson admitted what he did, served his time, and is now working in the Substance Abuse field in an effort to help others. Having made mistakes in my own life, I can identify with Jayson and respect what he is doing. To this day, Pitino has not taken responsibility for any of his actions, which in my book, makes him a fraud and phony.