Orlando Sanchez

[Class of 72]

Let's revert to logic for a sec. There are 2 claims here. One claim is that Sanchez will not be with us...there are multiple sources as evidence for that. The other claim is that Sanchez might still be with us...there is zero evidence for that. What are you guys seeing that says it's not over?

There is one source (Zags) stating that he won't be eligible...all others were references to Zags...He may be correct...but it is not the case that multiple sources have made independent statements

That information is still out there. 1 bonafide source. Where is your source saying he might be cleared? Or is this all made up?

There is no info either way, or at least conflicting info between Lenn and zags. Why do you feel a need to declare it over, even though you know that you are bullshitting and just giving your opinion?

We are ALL just giving "opinions". What appears to be occurring is a press release by Fratto based upon inquiries by the media.....who like us fans....are asking "where the f*ck is Orlando Sanchez"?
What has pissed many fans, including yours truly, is suppressing the truth since November about his eligibilty, its denial, our appeal, its denial and our one last ditch appeal so we don't get screwed red-shirting Gift.
There are a couple of members here that attend every practice. I am sure they would know if they have been seeing a mirage of Orlando practicing in the past two weeks. If a player is ruled ineligible and the NCAA bases it on age and years played....he cannot practice with the team any longer.
Making a last desperate appeal does not change the fact he is, in fact, ineligible.
If, by some miracle, we get him eligible, kudos to Lavin but he may be a non-factor having missed so much.

What you are not understanding is that just because you are a fan doesn't mean that you somehow get carte blanche access to all the info about Sanchez. Is there some law or rule that says that fans have to be updated on the eligibility of all players?

"suppressing the truth"? C'mon man. You sound like a fool throwing that stuff around. Athletic departments have absolutely no responsibility to give Class of 72 real-time updates on the eligibility status of Orlando Sanchez. Do you know how foolish it comes off stating that it is "suppressing the truth"? How many athletic departments have you seen giving weekly updates on the status of players that are not yet cleared? Absurd...

What is absurd is that you make your comments on an "Olando Sanchez" thread! LMAO!
You may be one of a handful here, or on JJ, for that matter, that do not find it odd that one of our most anticipated players was denied eligibility, according to reports, in November no less and when the media starts digging, and only then, do you hear any sort of update....in January 2013?
You must have been peachy fine with half our 2011 recruiting class being deemed ineligible! I guess you would have been OK not hearing a peep for half the season?
Get real!

PS. How many season tickets would you buy if next to every player's number on the roster released by SJ it read TBD?
Last year we had to depend on walk-ons for practices, and some games. I am a little skeptical about player eligibilty at this stage. We lead the pack in the Big East in that question mark???

 

[stormred13]

man 72 relax a bit you have been tough to read the past couple of weeks. lets just enjoy the victory for what it is. Even if Sanchez only plays 10 games its better than him not playing at all.

 

[logen]

Let's revert to logic for a sec. There are 2 claims here. One claim is that Sanchez will not be with us...there are multiple sources as evidence for that. The other claim is that Sanchez might still be with us...there is zero evidence for that. What are you guys seeing that says it's not over?

There is one source (Zags) stating that he won't be eligible...all others were references to Zags...He may be correct...but it is not the case that multiple sources have made independent statements

That information is still out there. 1 bonafide source. Where is your source saying he might be cleared? Or is this all made up?

There is no info either way, or at least conflicting info between Lenn and zags. Why do you feel a need to declare it over, even though you know that you are bullshitting and just giving your opinion?

We are ALL just giving "opinions". What appears to be occurring is a press release by Fratto based upon inquiries by the media.....who like us fans....are asking "where the f*ck is Orlando Sanchez"?
What has pissed many fans, including yours truly, is suppressing the truth since November about his eligibilty, its denial, our appeal, its denial and our one last ditch appeal so we don't get screwed red-shirting Gift.
There are a couple of members here that attend every practice. I am sure they would know if they have been seeing a mirage of Orlando practicing in the past two weeks. If a player is ruled ineligible and the NCAA bases it on age and years played....he cannot practice with the team any longer.
Making a last desperate appeal does not change the fact he is, in fact, ineligible.
If, by some miracle, we get him eligible, kudos to Lavin but he may be a non-factor having missed so much.

What you are not understanding is that just because you are a fan doesn't mean that you somehow get carte blanche access to all the info about Sanchez. Is there some law or rule that says that fans have to be updated on the eligibility of all players?

"suppressing the truth"? C'mon man. You sound like a fool throwing that stuff around. Athletic departments have absolutely no responsibility to give Class of 72 real-time updates on the eligibility status of Orlando Sanchez. Do you know how foolish it comes off stating that it is "suppressing the truth"? How many athletic departments have you seen giving weekly updates on the status of players that are not yet cleared? Absurd...

What is absurd is that you make your comments on an "Olando Sanchez" thread! LMAO!
You may be one of a handful here, or on JJ, for that matter, that do not find it odd that one of our most anticipated players was denied eligibility, according to reports, in November no less and when the media starts digging, and only then, do you hear any sort of update....in January 2013?
You must have been peachy fine with half our 2011 recruiting class being deemed ineligible! I guess you would have been OK not hearing a peep for half the season?
Get real!

PS. How many season tickets would you buy if next to every player's number on the roster released by SJ it read TBD?
Last year we had to depend on walk-ons for practices, and some games. I am a little skeptical about player eligibilty at this stage. We lead the pack in the Big East in that question mark???

Do you have any idea how hard it is to come into a program that loses its entire roster and rebuild while competing in the top conference in the country? Where recruits at the level you need are courted for years before picking a school? And oh yes, be out your entire 2nd year because you are fighting cancer which can't help one bit when it comes to players committing to play for you. Yes, Lavin took chances; he had to; end of story. It remains to be seen how it plays out, just like it did with Norm, etc. but at least give the man a fair chance. Sanchez would be the difference between a struggling team and IMO a legitimate NCAA team; maybe it was always a longshot but one worth taking under the circmstances. As for my opening question, you and some others obviously have no clue

 

[vandiemen8]

Here's the tweet thread:

Johnny Fulgencio ‏@JochyFulgencio
@Orlandito0933. Con q universida jugara en NCAA

18h Orlando S.33 ‏@Orlandito0933
@JochyFulgencio st johns

18h Johnny Fulgencio ‏@JochyFulgencio
@Orlandito0933. Me alegra mucho

Translation:
Fulgencio - which university will you play with in the NCAA
Orlando: st johns
Fulgencio: makes me very happy

read into that what you will

 

[MCNPA]

Apologies joe. Drives me crazy how you are throwing things out there as facts when none of us know the facts here.

 

[redmannorth]

Let's revert to logic for a sec. There are 2 claims here. One claim is that Sanchez will not be with us...there are multiple sources as evidence for that. The other claim is that Sanchez might still be with us...there is zero evidence for that. What are you guys seeing that says it's not over?

There is one source (Zags) stating that he won't be eligible...all others were references to Zags...He may be correct...but it is not the case that multiple sources have made independent statements

That information is still out there. 1 bonafide source. Where is your source saying he might be cleared? Or is this all made up?

There is no info either way, or at least conflicting info between Lenn and zags. Why do you feel a need to declare it over, even though you know that you are bullshitting and just giving your opinion?

We are ALL just giving "opinions". What appears to be occurring is a press release by Fratto based upon inquiries by the media.....who like us fans....are asking "where the f*ck is Orlando Sanchez"?
What has pissed many fans, including yours truly, is suppressing the truth since November about his eligibilty, its denial, our appeal, its denial and our one last ditch appeal so we don't get screwed red-shirting Gift.
There are a couple of members here that attend every practice. I am sure they would know if they have been seeing a mirage of Orlando practicing in the past two weeks. If a player is ruled ineligible and the NCAA bases it on age and years played....he cannot practice with the team any longer.
Making a last desperate appeal does not change the fact he is, in fact, ineligible.
If, by some miracle, we get him eligible, kudos to Lavin but he may be a non-factor having missed so much.

What you are not understanding is that just because you are a fan doesn't mean that you somehow get carte blanche access to all the info about Sanchez. Is there some law or rule that says that fans have to be updated on the eligibility of all players?

"suppressing the truth"? C'mon man. You sound like a fool throwing that stuff around. Athletic departments have absolutely no responsibility to give Class of 72 real-time updates on the eligibility status of Orlando Sanchez. Do you know how foolish it comes off stating that it is "suppressing the truth"? How many athletic departments have you seen giving weekly updates on the status of players that are not yet cleared? Absurd...

What is absurd is that you make your comments on an "Olando Sanchez" thread! LMAO!
You may be one of a handful here, or on JJ, for that matter, that do not find it odd that one of our most anticipated players was denied eligibility, according to reports, in November no less and when the media starts digging, and only then, do you hear any sort of update....in January 2013?
You must have been peachy fine with half our 2011 recruiting class being deemed ineligible! I guess you would have been OK not hearing a peep for half the season?
Get real!

PS. How many season tickets would you buy if next to every player's number on the roster released by SJ it read TBD?
Last year we had to depend on walk-ons for practices, and some games. I am a little skeptical about player eligibilty at this stage. We lead the pack in the Big East in that question mark???

Do you have any idea how hard it is to come into a program that loses its entire roster and rebuild while competing in the top conference in the country? Where recruits at the level you need are courted for years before picking a school? And oh yes, be out your entire 2nd year because you are fighting cancer which can't help one bit when it comes to players committing to play for you. Yes, Lavin took chances; he had to; end of story. It remains to be seen how it plays out, just like it did with Norm, etc. but at least give the man a fair chance. Sanchez would be the difference between a struggling team and IMO a legitimate NCAA team; maybe it was always a longshot but one worth taking under the circmstances. As for my opening question, you and some others obviously have no clue

Unfortunately most posters do not.
Lavin came in and took over a program that had attained mediocrity, 16-17 wins which was about to loose its entire roster and could only bring in 1 player his first season. Had he recruited the likes of Thomas J and Quincy Roberts this board would have killed him for recruiting MAAC level talent especially considering the money he was getting paid. He brought in a fantastic class, the best in school history, if we all recall. If he could turn back the clock and do certain things differently I am sure he would ( sending all 3 players to the same summer school ). The loss of JK last season gave Mo 35 minutes a game which permitted him to leave early.
I am on record as stating I wish Gift could play this season as I am of the opinion that he is better than most posters give him credit for and would help this team in more ways than 1 but as far as questioning the coach's recruiting strategy that is something I will not do.

 

[SJUalum98]

Apologies joe. Drives me crazy how you are throwing things out there as facts when none of us know the facts here.

I'm going to have to side with Joe on this one.

There is only one concrete definite fact: the NCAA declared Sanchez ineligible in November.

Why we weren't given this information until this past week is maddening.

If SJU is re-sending additional documentation to the NCAA, that is nothing more then them trying to appeal the NCAA's initial ruling.

 

[fan5577]

Apologies joe. Drives me crazy how you are throwing things out there as facts when none of us know the facts here.

I'm going to have to side with Joe on this one.

There is only one concrete definite fact: the NCAA declared Sanchez ineligible in November.

Why we weren't given this information until this past week is maddening.

If SJU is re-sending additional documentation to the NCAA, that is nothing more then them trying to appeal the NCAA's initial ruling.

So then why did the Robbins article appear on the 1st of Jan if it was finalized in November. Who or what is his source? As stated before it is Robbins informant vs. Zaggs informant. It looks like he was denied but someone feels good about this appeal. We shall see. We can only hope. his presence would be a huge help.

 

[Class of 72]

man 72 relax a bit you have been tough to read the past couple of weeks. lets just enjoy the victory for what it is. Even if Sanchez only plays 10 games its better than him not playing at all.

Great FIRST post! Hope it is not your last! I enjoy every victory. The topic is Orlando Sanchez.
If, I am a tough read, I recommend you visit JJ or BigEastBoards for some levity.
If you disagree with anything I have an opinion on, just retort if you feel the need or just ignore.

I agree with a poster that said "we are not Kentucky, never will be" but for all the folks that hate on Syracuse here, its coach and its advertising claim as NY's team, if you cannot hold your St. John's program to, at the very least, a "Syracuse" standard, then I suggest you go back to enjoying high school basketball or, better still, CYO ball.

This is a business, plain and simple! It is not for wallflowers, the silent majority, or for fans who do not have splinters on their asses from 40 years of sitting on cheap wooden bleachers at Alumni Hall.

As for "rebuilding" we are not the first school to lose an entire starting five. Stop with the Moses exodus excuses in "year 3"! It gets as old as "we are young". Those that actually followed the Jarvis collapse and scandals that followed, no coach in redmen history inherited a more down program than Norm Roberts. He was a good man who was not a great coach. His players, while not 4 star players, represented the university well.

I am very happy to have coach Lavin and coach Keady on the staff. They inherited a losing culture and many fans here were silent during that long strange trip to obscurity. As far as this Sanchez thread, my objections to the decision making is my right as a fan. That in year 3 we lead the Big East in eligibilty issues and transfers is a concern.
Thank you for registering to give your view of one poster....hope you do not keep registering under different names for each poster that gets your goat. Then again, you can just start your own blog like our resident wit Fun. Wink!

 

[MJDinkins]

man 72 relax a bit you have been tough to read the past couple of weeks. lets just enjoy the victory for what it is. Even if Sanchez only plays 10 games its better than him not playing at all.

Agree.... I usually like what '72 brings to the board, but he has been rather rough to read the past two weeks. It's like he's done a total 180 with his posts.

I understand we all have our opinions and message boards are all about discussions.... But, it seems like you're almost spamming, as well, '72. Posting nearly the same stuff on each and every thread is practically spamming. We got it the first 4 or 5 times you said it. We get it, my friend. Maybe, yesterday's win is the win that get us going. We shall eventually find out.

As, far as Sanchez is concerned.... I'm not confident he'll be with us either, but I'm willing to wait for the official word before I start proclaiming that my opinion or some anonymous person info are factual. That's absurd!

Zags' does have access to some good sources, but that doesn't particularly mean his source on the Sanchez situation is on the money, per se'. I wouldn't just take that info and run with it like it was the gospel. It seems emotional posts run rampant with a few folks on here.

I'm not one who likes to throw stuff back in the face of posters, but some of you are just asking for a big, huge, helping of crow served with the hottest of hot sauces. Relax, folks.

 

[L J S A]

The word from Zags who is more connected to the team than anyone else on this forum.

That is absolutely false.

And why are you so sure his unnamed source is reputable at all?

 

[MJDinkins]

The word from Zags who is more connected to the team than anyone else on this forum.

That is absolutely false.

And why are you so sure his unnamed source is reputable at all?

Exactly! Bugs Bunny could be his source for all we know.

 

[Section3]

Let's revert to logic for a sec. There are 2 claims here. One claim is that Sanchez will not be with us...there are multiple sources as evidence for that. The other claim is that Sanchez might still be with us...there is zero evidence for that. What are you guys seeing that says it's not over?

There is one source (Zags) stating that he won't be eligible...all others were references to Zags...He may be correct...but it is not the case that multiple sources have made independent statements

That information is still out there. 1 bonafide source. Where is your source saying he might be cleared? Or is this all made up?

There is no info either way, or at least conflicting info between Lenn and zags. Why do you feel a need to declare it over, even though you know that you are bullshitting and just giving your opinion?

We are ALL just giving "opinions". What appears to be occurring is a press release by Fratto based upon inquiries by the media.....who like us fans....are asking "where the f*ck is Orlando Sanchez"?
What has pissed many fans, including yours truly, is suppressing the truth since November about his eligibilty, its denial, our appeal, its denial and our one last ditch appeal so we don't get screwed red-shirting Gift.
There are a couple of members here that attend every practice. I am sure they would know if they have been seeing a mirage of Orlando practicing in the past two weeks. If a player is ruled ineligible and the NCAA bases it on age and years played....he cannot practice with the team any longer.
Making a last desperate appeal does not change the fact he is, in fact, ineligible.
If, by some miracle, we get him eligible, kudos to Lavin but he may be a non-factor having missed so much.

What you are not understanding is that just because you are a fan doesn't mean that you somehow get carte blanche access to all the info about Sanchez. Is there some law or rule that says that fans have to be updated on the eligibility of all players?

"suppressing the truth"? C'mon man. You sound like a fool throwing that stuff around. Athletic departments have absolutely no responsibility to give Class of 72 real-time updates on the eligibility status of Orlando Sanchez. Do you know how foolish it comes off stating that it is "suppressing the truth"? How many athletic departments have you seen giving weekly updates on the status of players that are not yet cleared? Absurd...

What is absurd is that you make your comments on an "Olando Sanchez" thread! LMAO!
You may be one of a handful here, or on JJ, for that matter, that do not find it odd that one of our most anticipated players was denied eligibility, according to reports, in November no less and when the media starts digging, and only then, do you hear any sort of update....in January 2013?
You must have been peachy fine with half our 2011 recruiting class being deemed ineligible! I guess you would have been OK not hearing a peep for half the season?
Get real!

PS. How many season tickets would you buy if next to every player's number on the roster released by SJ it read TBD?
Last year we had to depend on walk-ons for practices, and some games. I am a little skeptical about player eligibilty at this stage. We lead the pack in the Big East in that question mark???

Do you have any idea how hard it is to come into a program that loses its entire roster and rebuild while competing in the top conference in the country? Where recruits at the level you need are courted for years before picking a school? And oh yes, be out your entire 2nd year because you are fighting cancer which can't help one bit when it comes to players committing to play for you. Yes, Lavin took chances; he had to; end of story. It remains to be seen how it plays out, just like it did with Norm, etc. but at least give the man a fair chance. Sanchez would be the difference between a struggling team and IMO a legitimate NCAA team; maybe it was always a longshot but one worth taking under the circmstances. As for my opening question, you and some others obviously have no clue

And lose your top player after 1 year as well as your #1 PG in season - both unexpectedly...it takes time to build the type of roster that retools not rebuilds...

 

[Class of 72]

Let's revert to logic for a sec. There are 2 claims here. One claim is that Sanchez will not be with us...there are multiple sources as evidence for that. The other claim is that Sanchez might still be with us...there is zero evidence for that. What are you guys seeing that says it's not over?

There is one source (Zags) stating that he won't be eligible...all others were references to Zags...He may be correct...but it is not the case that multiple sources have made independent statements

That information is still out there. 1 bonafide source. Where is your source saying he might be cleared? Or is this all made up?

There is no info either way, or at least conflicting info between Lenn and zags. Why do you feel a need to declare it over, even though you know that you are bullshitting and just giving your opinion?

We are ALL just giving "opinions". What appears to be occurring is a press release by Fratto based upon inquiries by the media.....who like us fans....are asking "where the f*ck is Orlando Sanchez"?
What has pissed many fans, including yours truly, is suppressing the truth since November about his eligibilty, its denial, our appeal, its denial and our one last ditch appeal so we don't get screwed red-shirting Gift.
There are a couple of members here that attend every practice. I am sure they would know if they have been seeing a mirage of Orlando practicing in the past two weeks. If a player is ruled ineligible and the NCAA bases it on age and years played....he cannot practice with the team any longer.
Making a last desperate appeal does not change the fact he is, in fact, ineligible.
If, by some miracle, we get him eligible, kudos to Lavin but he may be a non-factor having missed so much.

What you are not understanding is that just because you are a fan doesn't mean that you somehow get carte blanche access to all the info about Sanchez. Is there some law or rule that says that fans have to be updated on the eligibility of all players?

"suppressing the truth"? C'mon man. You sound like a fool throwing that stuff around. Athletic departments have absolutely no responsibility to give Class of 72 real-time updates on the eligibility status of Orlando Sanchez. Do you know how foolish it comes off stating that it is "suppressing the truth"? How many athletic departments have you seen giving weekly updates on the status of players that are not yet cleared? Absurd...

What is absurd is that you make your comments on an "Olando Sanchez" thread! LMAO!
You may be one of a handful here, or on JJ, for that matter, that do not find it odd that one of our most anticipated players was denied eligibility, according to reports, in November no less and when the media starts digging, and only then, do you hear any sort of update....in January 2013?
You must have been peachy fine with half our 2011 recruiting class being deemed ineligible! I guess you would have been OK not hearing a peep for half the season?
Get real!

PS. How many season tickets would you buy if next to every player's number on the roster released by SJ it read TBD?
Last year we had to depend on walk-ons for practices, and some games. I am a little skeptical about player eligibilty at this stage. We lead the pack in the Big East in that question mark???

Do you have any idea how hard it is to come into a program that loses its entire roster and rebuild while competing in the top conference in the country? Where recruits at the level you need are courted for years before picking a school? And oh yes, be out your entire 2nd year because you are fighting cancer which can't help one bit when it comes to players committing to play for you. Yes, Lavin took chances; he had to; end of story. It remains to be seen how it plays out, just like it did with Norm, etc. but at least give the man a fair chance. Sanchez would be the difference between a struggling team and IMO a legitimate NCAA team; maybe it was always a longshot but one worth taking under the circmstances. As for my opening question, you and some others obviously have no clue

And lose your top player after 1 year as well as your #1 PG in season - both unexpectedly...it takes time to build the type of roster that retools not rebuilds...

I agree on Harkless and disagree on Nurideen....who turned out was not #1 PG nor a decent shooting guard. He was the product of schoolyard fiction and a possee of leeches that ruined his college career.

 

[beast of the east]

Let's revert to logic for a sec. There are 2 claims here. One claim is that Sanchez will not be with us...there are multiple sources as evidence for that. The other claim is that Sanchez might still be with us...there is zero evidence for that. What are you guys seeing that says it's not over?

There is one source (Zags) stating that he won't be eligible...all others were references to Zags...He may be correct...but it is not the case that multiple sources have made independent statements

That information is still out there. 1 bonafide source. Where is your source saying he might be cleared? Or is this all made up?

There is no info either way, or at least conflicting info between Lenn and zags. Why do you feel a need to declare it over, even though you know that you are bullshitting and just giving your opinion?

We are ALL just giving "opinions". What appears to be occurring is a press release by Fratto based upon inquiries by the media.....who like us fans....are asking "where the f*ck is Orlando Sanchez"?
What has pissed many fans, including yours truly, is suppressing the truth since November about his eligibilty, its denial, our appeal, its denial and our one last ditch appeal so we don't get screwed red-shirting Gift.
There are a couple of members here that attend every practice. I am sure they would know if they have been seeing a mirage of Orlando practicing in the past two weeks. If a player is ruled ineligible and the NCAA bases it on age and years played....he cannot practice with the team any longer.
Making a last desperate appeal does not change the fact he is, in fact, ineligible.
If, by some miracle, we get him eligible, kudos to Lavin but he may be a non-factor having missed so much.

What you are not understanding is that just because you are a fan doesn't mean that you somehow get carte blanche access to all the info about Sanchez. Is there some law or rule that says that fans have to be updated on the eligibility of all players?

"suppressing the truth"? C'mon man. You sound like a fool throwing that stuff around. Athletic departments have absolutely no responsibility to give Class of 72 real-time updates on the eligibility status of Orlando Sanchez. Do you know how foolish it comes off stating that it is "suppressing the truth"? How many athletic departments have you seen giving weekly updates on the status of players that are not yet cleared? Absurd...

What is absurd is that you make your comments on an "Olando Sanchez" thread! LMAO!
You may be one of a handful here, or on JJ, for that matter, that do not find it odd that one of our most anticipated players was denied eligibility, according to reports, in November no less and when the media starts digging, and only then, do you hear any sort of update....in January 2013?
You must have been peachy fine with half our 2011 recruiting class being deemed ineligible! I guess you would have been OK not hearing a peep for half the season?
Get real!

PS. How many season tickets would you buy if next to every player's number on the roster released by SJ it read TBD?
Last year we had to depend on walk-ons for practices, and some games. I am a little skeptical about player eligibilty at this stage. We lead the pack in the Big East in that question mark???

Do you have any idea how hard it is to come into a program that loses its entire roster and rebuild while competing in the top conference in the country? Where recruits at the level you need are courted for years before picking a school? And oh yes, be out your entire 2nd year because you are fighting cancer which can't help one bit when it comes to players committing to play for you. Yes, Lavin took chances; he had to; end of story. It remains to be seen how it plays out, just like it did with Norm, etc. but at least give the man a fair chance. Sanchez would be the difference between a struggling team and IMO a legitimate NCAA team; maybe it was always a longshot but one worth taking under the circmstances. As for my opening question, you and some others obviously have no clue

And lose your top player after 1 year as well as your #1 PG in season - both unexpectedly...it takes time to build the type of roster that retools not rebuilds...

I agree on Harkless and disagree on Nurideen....who turned out was not #1 PG nor a decent shooting guard. He was the product of schoolyard fiction and a possee of leeches that ruined his college career.

Nurideen Linsdsay has the talent below his neck to be a top flight D1 guard. The problem is that while challenging Chamberlains OVerbrook HS records he believed he was already Alan Iverson. He neither respected his teammates or equals, or learned that any shot he got off was not necessarily a good use of a possession.

 

[Section3]

Let's revert to logic for a sec. There are 2 claims here. One claim is that Sanchez will not be with us...there are multiple sources as evidence for that. The other claim is that Sanchez might still be with us...there is zero evidence for that. What are you guys seeing that says it's not over?

There is one source (Zags) stating that he won't be eligible...all others were references to Zags...He may be correct...but it is not the case that multiple sources have made independent statements

That information is still out there. 1 bonafide source. Where is your source saying he might be cleared? Or is this all made up?

There is no info either way, or at least conflicting info between Lenn and zags. Why do you feel a need to declare it over, even though you know that you are bullshitting and just giving your opinion?

We are ALL just giving "opinions". What appears to be occurring is a press release by Fratto based upon inquiries by the media.....who like us fans....are asking "where the f*ck is Orlando Sanchez"?
What has pissed many fans, including yours truly, is suppressing the truth since November about his eligibilty, its denial, our appeal, its denial and our one last ditch appeal so we don't get screwed red-shirting Gift.
There are a couple of members here that attend every practice. I am sure they would know if they have been seeing a mirage of Orlando practicing in the past two weeks. If a player is ruled ineligible and the NCAA bases it on age and years played....he cannot practice with the team any longer.
Making a last desperate appeal does not change the fact he is, in fact, ineligible.
If, by some miracle, we get him eligible, kudos to Lavin but he may be a non-factor having missed so much.

What you are not understanding is that just because you are a fan doesn't mean that you somehow get carte blanche access to all the info about Sanchez. Is there some law or rule that says that fans have to be updated on the eligibility of all players?

"suppressing the truth"? C'mon man. You sound like a fool throwing that stuff around. Athletic departments have absolutely no responsibility to give Class of 72 real-time updates on the eligibility status of Orlando Sanchez. Do you know how foolish it comes off stating that it is "suppressing the truth"? How many athletic departments have you seen giving weekly updates on the status of players that are not yet cleared? Absurd...

What is absurd is that you make your comments on an "Olando Sanchez" thread! LMAO!
You may be one of a handful here, or on JJ, for that matter, that do not find it odd that one of our most anticipated players was denied eligibility, according to reports, in November no less and when the media starts digging, and only then, do you hear any sort of update....in January 2013?
You must have been peachy fine with half our 2011 recruiting class being deemed ineligible! I guess you would have been OK not hearing a peep for half the season?
Get real!

PS. How many season tickets would you buy if next to every player's number on the roster released by SJ it read TBD?
Last year we had to depend on walk-ons for practices, and some games. I am a little skeptical about player eligibilty at this stage. We lead the pack in the Big East in that question mark???

Do you have any idea how hard it is to come into a program that loses its entire roster and rebuild while competing in the top conference in the country? Where recruits at the level you need are courted for years before picking a school? And oh yes, be out your entire 2nd year because you are fighting cancer which can't help one bit when it comes to players committing to play for you. Yes, Lavin took chances; he had to; end of story. It remains to be seen how it plays out, just like it did with Norm, etc. but at least give the man a fair chance. Sanchez would be the difference between a struggling team and IMO a legitimate NCAA team; maybe it was always a longshot but one worth taking under the circmstances. As for my opening question, you and some others obviously have no clue

And lose your top player after 1 year as well as your #1 PG in season - both unexpectedly...it takes time to build the type of roster that retools not rebuilds...

I agree on Harkless and disagree on Nurideen....who turned out was not #1 PG nor a decent shooting guard. He was the product of schoolyard fiction and a possee of leeches that ruined his college career.

I agree re: Lindsey but nonethless he had some cred (desreved or undeserved) coming into SJ and took a slot...

 

[LINY89]

man 72 relax a bit you have been tough to read the past couple of weeks. lets just enjoy the victory for what it is. Even if Sanchez only plays 10 games its better than him not playing at all.

Agree.... I usually like what '72 brings to the board, but he has been rather rough to read the past two weeks. It's like he's done a total 180 with his posts.

I understand we all have our opinions and message boards are all about discussions.... But, it seems like you're almost spamming, as well, '72. Posting nearly the same stuff on each and every thread is practically spamming. We got it the first 4 or 5 times you said it. We get it, my friend. Maybe, yesterday's win is the win that get us going. We shall eventually find out.

As, far as Sanchez is concerned.... I'm not confident he'll be with us either, but I'm willing to wait for the official word before I start proclaiming that my opinion or some anonymous person info are factual. That's absurd!

Zags' does have access to some good sources, but that doesn't particularly mean his source on the Sanchez situation is on the money, per se'. I wouldn't just take that info and run with it like it was the gospel. It seems emotional posts run rampant with a few folks on here.

I'm not one who likes to throw stuff back in the face of posters, but some of you are just asking for a big, huge, helping of crow served with the hottest of hot sauces. Relax, folks.

If it won't take a very respected journalist close with the team who reports that the NCAA says he won't play for us, then what will? That's about as much proof as you can get as a lay person following the team. Don't understand why some think legitimate articles are some kind of propaganda or conspiracy. With that said, if by some absurd miracle all reports were wrong I will eat crow with a smile on my face.

 

[MCNPA]

man 72 relax a bit you have been tough to read the past couple of weeks. lets just enjoy the victory for what it is. Even if Sanchez only plays 10 games its better than him not playing at all.

Agree.... I usually like what '72 brings to the board, but he has been rather rough to read the past two weeks. It's like he's done a total 180 with his posts.

I understand we all have our opinions and message boards are all about discussions.... But, it seems like you're almost spamming, as well, '72. Posting nearly the same stuff on each and every thread is practically spamming. We got it the first 4 or 5 times you said it. We get it, my friend. Maybe, yesterday's win is the win that get us going. We shall eventually find out.

As, far as Sanchez is concerned.... I'm not confident he'll be with us either, but I'm willing to wait for the official word before I start proclaiming that my opinion or some anonymous person info are factual. That's absurd!

Zags' does have access to some good sources, but that doesn't particularly mean his source on the Sanchez situation is on the money, per se'. I wouldn't just take that info and run with it like it was the gospel. It seems emotional posts run rampant with a few folks on here.

I'm not one who likes to throw stuff back in the face of posters, but some of you are just asking for a big, huge, helping of crow served with the hottest of hot sauces. Relax, folks.

If it won't take a very respected journalist close with the team who reports that the NCAA says he won't play for us, then what will? That's about as much proof as you can get as a lay person following the team. Don't understand why some think legitimate articles are some kind of propaganda or conspiracy. With that said, if by some absurd miracle all reports were wrong I will eat crow with a smile on my face.

Zags isn't a respected journalist, he's a blogger. He often has good sources and good info but I think you're confused about what he is. he also blogs about rock and roll and tennis.

 

[LINY89]

man 72 relax a bit you have been tough to read the past couple of weeks. lets just enjoy the victory for what it is. Even if Sanchez only plays 10 games its better than him not playing at all.

Agree.... I usually like what '72 brings to the board, but he has been rather rough to read the past two weeks. It's like he's done a total 180 with his posts.

I understand we all have our opinions and message boards are all about discussions.... But, it seems like you're almost spamming, as well, '72. Posting nearly the same stuff on each and every thread is practically spamming. We got it the first 4 or 5 times you said it. We get it, my friend. Maybe, yesterday's win is the win that get us going. We shall eventually find out.

As, far as Sanchez is concerned.... I'm not confident he'll be with us either, but I'm willing to wait for the official word before I start proclaiming that my opinion or some anonymous person info are factual. That's absurd!

Zags' does have access to some good sources, but that doesn't particularly mean his source on the Sanchez situation is on the money, per se'. I wouldn't just take that info and run with it like it was the gospel. It seems emotional posts run rampant with a few folks on here.

I'm not one who likes to throw stuff back in the face of posters, but some of you are just asking for a big, huge, helping of crow served with the hottest of hot sauces. Relax, folks.

If it won't take a very respected journalist close with the team who reports that the NCAA says he won't play for us, then what will? That's about as much proof as you can get as a lay person following the team. Don't understand why some think legitimate articles are some kind of propaganda or conspiracy. With that said, if by some absurd miracle all reports were wrong I will eat crow with a smile on my face.

Zags isn't a respected journalist, he's a blogger. He often has good sources and good info but I think you're confused about what he is. he also blogs about rock and roll and tennis.

It's not just some guy keeping a blog in his mother's basement after dropping out of high school. He is under the SNY umbrella. He is basically an official reporter for SJ hoops.

"Zagoria covers the New York Knicks and Big East hoops for NBA.com and SNY.tv. He also appears as a Big East Basketball Insider on SNY and 1050 ESPN Radio.

He is an award-winning journalist whose articles have appeared in ESPN The Magazine, SLAM, SI and Basketball Times."

 

[austour]

man 72 relax a bit you have been tough to read the past couple of weeks. lets just enjoy the victory for what it is. Even if Sanchez only plays 10 games its better than him not playing at all.

Agree.... I usually like what '72 brings to the board, but he has been rather rough to read the past two weeks. It's like he's done a total 180 with his posts.

I understand we all have our opinions and message boards are all about discussions.... But, it seems like you're almost spamming, as well, '72. Posting nearly the same stuff on each and every thread is practically spamming. We got it the first 4 or 5 times you said it. We get it, my friend. Maybe, yesterday's win is the win that get us going. We shall eventually find out.

As, far as Sanchez is concerned.... I'm not confident he'll be with us either, but I'm willing to wait for the official word before I start proclaiming that my opinion or some anonymous person info are factual. That's absurd!

Zags' does have access to some good sources, but that doesn't particularly mean his source on the Sanchez situation is on the money, per se'. I wouldn't just take that info and run with it like it was the gospel. It seems emotional posts run rampant with a few folks on here.

I'm not one who likes to throw stuff back in the face of posters, but some of you are just asking for a big, huge, helping of crow served with the hottest of hot sauces. Relax, folks.

If it won't take a very respected journalist close with the team who reports that the NCAA says he won't play for us, then what will? That's about as much proof as you can get as a lay person following the team. Don't understand why some think legitimate articles are some kind of propaganda or conspiracy. With that said, if by some absurd miracle all reports were wrong I will eat crow with a smile on my face.

Zags isn't a respected journalist, he's a blogger. He often has good sources and good info but I think you're confused about what he is. he also blogs about rock and roll and tennis.

And to add there are plenty of folks on this board closer to the team than he. Doesn't mean he's wrong. But again, if it was over and there was no room for appeal Orlando wouldn't be at STJ.