On Campus Sexual Assault Accusations

[quote="Marillac" post=313942][quote="Jack Williams" post=313929][quote="Mike Zaun" post=313927]Victimology sells and it also gives you power. It's been weaponized unfortunately. If I had a son, I'd be extremely nervous if he was going to college right now. It's the victim olympics and universities are scared to death and constantly give in, positively reinforcing this mob mentality. Instead of demanding evidence or being objective, they give in to the mob. Asking for even a bit of evidence and the mob will turn on you, accusing you of being part of the problem. In undergrad, I saw a protest on campus. When I asked someone what it was about, they said "I honestly don't even know". But they participated. No joke. This is what happens when college campuses are allowed to get this radical. If you look at their profiles and posts/retweets, you will see there's a clear political agenda. It's all about identity politics and victimhood even before the hashtag started.[/quote]

And what if you had a daughter? Again, I feel like I can’t state this enough, if you are worried about your mythical son being falsely accused of rape at college, why aren’t you worried about your mythical daughter actually being sexually assaulted?? Given that one happens more than the other?

If I had to guess it’s because you can place yourself in your sons situation and not your daughters.

Here’s a pretty great story that the GOAT Dave Chappelle told in one of his last stand up specials.

He said when he was in his early 20s he used to do stand up sets for drug dealers as they counted their money. One time he had a really great set and the drug dealers invited him to a back room and gave him 20,000 dollars cash. He put the money in his backpack and got on the subway to go home at 1AM.

He said he remembers how scared he felt having that money on him. He said if these people knew how much money was in this backpack, they’d kill me for it. He said he was so scared because it was the first time in his life he said something that other people would want.

And then he said, imagine what it’s like to have a vagina on you at all times. Something that men desperately want all the time.

We simply don’t know what it’s like to live like that. Which is why you get more upset about false accusations, in my opinion, it’s something you can actually grasp. And relate to. Which is understanble but I ask on behalf of my sisters and my friends and my cousins and every woman I know, don’t be so shortsighted. Understand that while false accusations are wrong, women are going through something traumatic at a much higher rate and it SHOULD be addressed and we need to help any way we can[/quote]

This is weak. Good men shouldn't have to suffer because of violent, stupid, mentally ill, and poorly raised men. That will always exist.

Rape culture is a myth. There is nothing in our society less tolerated than child molestation, yet it is rampant. Nobody would say we have a molestation culture.

Women lie more than ever. It can be monetized now. They become heros overnight. Mattress girl had a million supporters before her lie was exposed.

I have three sisters and multiple nieces. I am far more concerned for my son and my nephews. I'll make sure those boys have an app granting unambiguous consent by the time they are 17 even if I have to do it myself.[/quote]


Being more concerned for your son and nephews is like living during the bubonic plauge and being more worried you’re gonna die of a common cold.
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=313948][quote="Marillac" post=313942][quote="Jack Williams" post=313929][quote="Mike Zaun" post=313927]Victimology sells and it also gives you power. It's been weaponized unfortunately. If I had a son, I'd be extremely nervous if he was going to college right now. It's the victim olympics and universities are scared to death and constantly give in, positively reinforcing this mob mentality. Instead of demanding evidence or being objective, they give in to the mob. Asking for even a bit of evidence and the mob will turn on you, accusing you of being part of the problem. In undergrad, I saw a protest on campus. When I asked someone what it was about, they said "I honestly don't even know". But they participated. No joke. This is what happens when college campuses are allowed to get this radical. If you look at their profiles and posts/retweets, you will see there's a clear political agenda. It's all about identity politics and victimhood even before the hashtag started.[/quote]

And what if you had a daughter? Again, I feel like I can’t state this enough, if you are worried about your mythical son being falsely accused of rape at college, why aren’t you worried about your mythical daughter actually being sexually assaulted?? Given that one happens more than the other?

If I had to guess it’s because you can place yourself in your sons situation and not your daughters.

Here’s a pretty great story that the GOAT Dave Chappelle told in one of his last stand up specials.

He said when he was in his early 20s he used to do stand up sets for drug dealers as they counted their money. One time he had a really great set and the drug dealers invited him to a back room and gave him 20,000 dollars cash. He put the money in his backpack and got on the subway to go home at 1AM.

He said he remembers how scared he felt having that money on him. He said if these people knew how much money was in this backpack, they’d kill me for it. He said he was so scared because it was the first time in his life he said something that other people would want.

And then he said, imagine what it’s like to have a vagina on you at all times. Something that men desperately want all the time.

We simply don’t know what it’s like to live like that. Which is why you get more upset about false accusations, in my opinion, it’s something you can actually grasp. And relate to. Which is understanble but I ask on behalf of my sisters and my friends and my cousins and every woman I know, don’t be so shortsighted. Understand that while false accusations are wrong, women are going through something traumatic at a much higher rate and it SHOULD be addressed and we need to help any way we can[/quote]

This is weak. Good men shouldn't have to suffer because of violent, stupid, mentally ill, and poorly raised men. That will always exist.

Rape culture is a myth. There is nothing in our society less tolerated than child molestation, yet it is rampant. Nobody would say we have a molestation culture.

Women lie more than ever. It can be monetized now. They become heros overnight. Mattress girl had a million supporters before her lie was exposed.

I have three sisters and multiple nieces. I am far more concerned for my son and my nephews. I'll make sure those boys have an app granting unambiguous consent by the time they are 17 even if I have to do it myself.[/quote]


Being more concerned for your son and nephews is like living during the bubonic plauge and being more worried you’re gonna die of a common cold.[/quote]

Wow, you've been indoctrinated. Enjoy being an "ally." It's only a matter of time before you or someone you know is falsely accused.
 
[quote="Room112" post=313941][quote="Marillac" post=313937][quote="Room112" post=313916]This is scary to read, especially with Shamorie's name coming up.

Just read through the tweets. Not sure how to feel about this. It's Noble that this faceless person is looking to be a voice of others, but is also trying to spin this so that they don't receive repurcussion should the claims turn out to be false. Could easily see this becoming a legal issue for the person who owns the account.[/quote]

No, it's not noble...don't be tricked. It's character assassination. After an accusation is leveled the reputation of the accused never fully recovers. It also makes them exponentially more vulnerable for future false accusations.

We have police departments and courts for a reason. This isn't 1950. Women are believed more than ever.

In my experience 3/4 women lie or exaggerate these claims. Spend a day ina family court room and 9/10 will claim sexual or physical abuse...or both.[/quote]

But did you read the tweets? The person is doing this because they are claiming the University in the past has tried to cover these things up or brush them under the rug.[/quote]

School's nor students nor players can get around the Title IX process. I'd like to ask that Tweeter how many of these alleged victims pursued Title IX claims?
 
[quote="L J S A" post=313850]She just tweeted that a guy named Jack Williams has apparently been added to the list.[/quote] LOL!
 
Again, I can be angry at false accusations just like you, but still be able to read basic statistics. If rapes happen much more than false accusations do I’m not gonna sit here and act like men are in the biggest predicament in the universe.

Again I hate how this is so black and white. I am concerned about rapes and false accusations of rape, but concerned more so about one of those things because it happens at a higher rate. Don’t understand why that’s a problem
 
[quote="SI1996" post=313953][quote="L J S A" post=313850]She just tweeted that a guy named Jack Williams has apparently been added to the list.[/quote] LOL![/quote]

Hahaha

I've added Jack to the list because he made me feel unsafe...no proof required. :)
 
[quote="Brian W." post=313918][quote="indyredmen97" post=313905]I haven't been an undergrad student at St. John's in 22 years, so I have no insight into the lives of our current students, or the on campus experiences of my alma mater (it was a commuter school experience for me and unless I was in class, I was at work). Claims of sexual assault or rape are extremely serious and need to be swiftly addressed by the police and by school administrators. Far too many campuses are more worried about protecting the accused and the institution's reputation, and this article speaks to the frustration of female students when voicing their complaints to school officials. Any student that is credibly accused of these allegations needs to be expelled immediately, even if its a star player I root for on the Men's Basketball team. Cannot have an unsafe and/or criminal environment at the University. The students deserve to know that the School has their best interest at heart.[/quote]

This has nothing to do with #metoo. It is postmodernism and radical feminism's complete takeover over the humanties and social sciences. Accusation is everything. Calling a man a "rapist" or "pedo" or something similar is enough to destroy that man. Its a tactic being employed in nearly coorporation and institution in the west. We are told "believe women" and place feelings over facts. We are forced to refifine rape to include the most benign interactions. (And note that we never alter the meaning of murder to include the unborn. )

This us just more female tyranny. Thats how I 'feel' about it. And it isnt because its Shamorie. The only reason that the rape industry hasn't targeted SJU already is because there is minimal housing, as many underclassmen simply drink and party around the corner from their parents homes in Nassau.

The rape industry thrives on BS surveys that make claims that 1 in 5 women is "assaulted" at every US campus. They never mention that the survey women questions like "do you feel uncomfortable around some men" and "have ever regretted a sexual encounter" and includes positive answers as rape.

So go ahead and pivot around with your vitriolic virtue signalling all you want. They rape industry doesnt care. Your accusation is coming too...[/quote]

Welcome to the forum, Jordan Peterson :)
 
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The problem is that when one of the moderators locks this thread, those who are criticizing the victim culture and agendas will be victimized and their Constitutional rights will be violated and once again redmen.com is to blame and there will be talk of nazis, stalinists, big brother etc... #ironicironies
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=313954]Again, I can be angry at false accusations just like you, but still be able to read basic statistics. If rapes happen much more than false accusations do I’m not gonna sit here and act like men are in the biggest predicament in the universe.

Again I hate how this is so black and white. I am concerned about rapes and false accusations of rape, but concerned more so about one of those things because it happens at a higher rate. Don’t understand why that’s a problem[/quote]

What statistics are you using? There are many sets of fake statistics being perpetuated by people who want to frame this as a crisis.

The most popular stat used by that side is from a night school where less than half of the women polled answered and sexual assault was defined as any unwanted touching. The sample size was woefully inadequate as well.
 
Paultzman wrote: My mistake posting this article. Mods, feel free to remove. It has no upside and is only provoking anger here.

I agree with taking this thread down. I don't think anyone posting on this topic was disagreeing that what the originator of the allegations did was wrong or that the me/too movement is sometimes misused by those with an agenda beyond protecting the victims of sexual victimization or abuse. But to argue that parents of .young men ought to be more concerned than parents of young women when it comes to this topic is beyond the pale. Back to basketball.
 
[quote="Jack Williams" post=313954]Again, I can be angry at false accusations just like you, but still be able to read basic statistics. If rapes happen much more than false accusations do I’m not gonna sit here and act like men are in the biggest predicament in the universe.

Again I hate how this is so black and white. I am concerned about rapes and false accusations of rape, but concerned more so about one of those things because it happens at a higher rate. Don’t understand why that’s a problem[/quote]

How do you know that rape happens more than false accusations?. If so many of these 'rapes' are going unreported, then how many false accusations go unreported?

The "rape culture" myth is based on surveys, not actual peer reviewd science. And rape has become a malleable term that can now include anything from regrettable sex to leering.

As I said before, if rape can include anything, and its definition can constantly expand, than why hasnt the definition of murder expanded to include the unborn?

Everything is rape, but abortion isnt murder.

The anger here is about whats happening to young men on campus and society at large. No fathers, no role models, constant accusation, blame for patriarchal domination, skyrocketing drug addiction, suicide rates, unemployment.

Im sick of it. The rape industry is about POWER. Nothing else. If justice is blind, it's amazing how social justice can see rape where it doesnt exist. You wanna believe women? I dont. Wait for the rule of law to weigh evidence.

Or has the famous SJU Law School gone full into full which hunt mode?
 
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[quote="Paul Massell" post=313958]The problem is that when one of the moderators locks this thread, those who are criticizing the victim culture and agendas will be victimized and their Constitutional rights will be violated and once again redmen.com is to blame and there will be talk of nazis, stalinists, big brother etc... #ironicironies[/quote]

Uncomfortable debate should be invited. I haven't seen anyone step over the line in this thread...or even come close to it.
 
[quote="Paul Massell" post=313958]The problem is that when one of the moderators locks this thread, those who are criticizing the victim culture and agendas will be victimized and their Constitutional rights will be violated and once again redmen.com is to blame and there will be talk of nazis, stalinists, big brother etc... #ironicironies[/quote]

As private actors, we have no constitutional rights on here! If people want to debate metoo movement on a athletic fan board, let them do it in their PM's or on some news websites comment section.
 
[quote="Tonyinfairfield " post=313947][quote="Paultzman" post=313945]My mistake posting this article. Mods, feel free to remove. It has no upside and is only provoking anger here.[/quote]

Agree with Paultz. Take this thread down. Or at least lock it.[/quote]

Disagree strongly. As a community of varying ages this is an important subject that should be discussed from many viewpoints. Anyone incapable of controlling their emotions feel free to exit, but this is of paramount importance to parents of teenagers and college aged students and for students as well.
 
[quote="Chris7" post=313964][quote="Paul Massell" post=313958]The problem is that when one of the moderators locks this thread, those who are criticizing the victim culture and agendas will be victimized and their Constitutional rights will be violated and once again redmen.com is to blame and there will be talk of nazis, stalinists, big brother etc... #ironicironies[/quote]

As private actors, we have no constitutional rights on here! If people want to debate metoo movement on a athletic fan board, let them do it in their PM's or on some news websites comment section.[/quote]

right. I was just enjoying the irony. you would not believe how deep it goes. please give me that
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=313960]Paultzman wrote: My mistake posting this article. Mods, feel free to remove. It has no upside and is only provoking anger here.

I agree with taking this thread down. I don't think anyone posting on this topic was disagreeing that what the originator of the allegations did was wrong or that the me/too movement is sometimes misused by those with an agenda beyond protecting the victims of sexual victimization or abuse. But to argue that parents of .young men ought to be more concerned than parents of young women when it comes to this topic is beyond the pale. Back to basketball.[/quote]

So is anyone else worried that this will effect Shamorie in any way?
 
[quote="Marillac" post=313962][quote="Paul Massell" post=313958]The problem is that when one of the moderators locks this thread, those who are criticizing the victim culture and agendas will be victimized and their Constitutional rights will be violated and once again redmen.com is to blame and there will be talk of nazis, stalinists, big brother etc... #ironicironies[/quote]

Uncomfortable debate should be invited. I haven't seen anyone step over the line in this thread...or even come close to it.[/quote]

Agree, Marillac, but this is an emotionally charged issue. As you can see from reading some of these posts. I'm all for debate, even when it is on an uncomfortable subject. But this, IMHO, is the kind of topic that can not really be debated through posts.

And Paul, I hear what you're saying. But I thought freedom of speech did not apply to a private, online forum like this one. Just like one's right to privacy is limited if you work for a corporation and use its e-mail system for personal e-mails. I may be wrong, but that's what I thought.

I still think you should shut this down. It's taking us way off topic and I'm sure it's only a matter of time before emotions will get the best of some people and their posts will cross the line.

We are....St. John's.
 
Perhaps a person who starts a topic should be allowed to take it down or lock it.
 
I don’t mind debating this at all but I do feel like everyone’s gotten their points across and it’s clear no one is changing their minds.

Someone asked about Shamorie, the night this happened he put a message on his Instagram story that said “take that sh*t down and stop playing with my f’n name”

He deleted it the next morning before the Georgetown game.
 
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