On Campus Sexual Assault Accusations

she posted a pic of one of the basketball players but clarifies that she is not calling them rapists or sexual predators just that these men have been reported to her. Total BS to post a list of names and pictures anonymously impugning people. I'm certain this is not legal even with the caveats. There is also a rant about the men's basketball team getting all the attention which should give an indication of where/why this is coming from.
 
I saw the tweets the other night and saw the pictures she posted of guys. I honestly don’t know where it goes from here.
 
Certainly not condoning any misconduct, but this is not the way to go about reporting sexual assault. The women is posting online the names and pictures of specific men and then disclaiming that she doesn't actually have firsthand knowledge any wrong doings. She states that those names have been "reported to her".

I understand she, herself, may have suffered an event. However, it's unfair to publicly out individuals based on third party information that she admittedly cannot confirm. Hopefully someone can advise her that she should encourage the alleged victims to seek help and report their incident to the proper authorities.
 
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Shooting percentages have evened out in second half as they were bound to. Except we still can't shoot free throws. Just infuriating.
 
Shamorie is one of the people that is identified as unsafe according to a twitter user. That may carry the story if there in fact is one...
 
[quote="montyaloofah" post=313842]Shamorie is one of the people that is identified as unsafe according to a twitter user. That may carry the story if there in fact is one...[/quote]


That thread is a pretty frustrating thing that took place the other night. She started posting pictures and names of people who are “sexual predators and rapists”. She lists a bunch of people, including Ponds.

Then later, she says “this thread isn’t saying these people are guilty they were just reported to me as unsafe”

You can’t just do that. You could be ruining their reputation all for nothing. Listen if these men did things and are sexual predators they need to face consequences. But this all took place the night before the Georgetown game. What if some Georgetown fan DMd this girl and said Shamorie sexually harassed me... that’s all it takes. There’s no verification going on there’s just names being thrown around and that could damage reputations for no reason.
 
[quote="Sju grad 13" post=313587]This is all because of that R.Kelly situation. I doubt this gets far.[/quote]

Agree and seems like there were many pretty radical students (very extreme politically) making some quite serious allegations. It's not a popular thing to say these days, but it's not guilty until proven innocent as many seem to push. Hope none of it is actually true. Very tough topic where it seems like you can't even ask for evidence anymore without being labeled an "ist" of some sort.
 
Zaun post contains harsh realities of the tremendous power of #metoo. For certain many allegations against prominent powerful men were true. For certain any allegation, even if untrue can destroy the reputation of the accused, and often cast from the shadows.

Social media wields incredible power and can be used recklessly anonymously at times.

Protecting the innocent accused and privacy and anonymity of victims are often mutually exclusive.

College life is especially vulnerable. The culture of hookups has surpassed the culture of dating on campuses, with many students never having been on an actual date yet are sexually active. The lines between consensual and non consensual sex appear clear but even each participant can have radically different and changing views of what occurred and how.

Scary times for certain.
 
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=313857]Zaun post contains harsh realities of the tremendous power of #metoo. For certain many allegations against prominent powerful men were true. For certain any allegation, even if untrue can destroy the reputation of the accused, and often cast from the shadows.

Social media wields incredible power and can be used recklessly anonymously at times.

Protecting the innocent accused and privacy and anonymity of victims are often mutually exclusive.

College life is especially vulnerable. The culture of hookups has surpassed the culture of dating on campuses, with many students never having been on an actual date yet are sexually active. The lines between consensual and non consensual sex appear clear but even each participant can have radically different and changing views if what occurred and how.

Scary times for certain.[/quote]

Beast - I often disagree with you on your political/social posts but on this topic you are spot on. Having a teenage son and daughter, I find myself just as concerned about my son being falsely accused of sexual misconduct as I do my daughter being a victim. I know that may not be a politically correct statement but as a parent that is how I feel.
 
Andrew, I have a 13 year old son, and nine year old daughter. I have the same fears you do.

Unfortunately, many of these social media "movements" have a scorched earth policy. It does not matter if allegations are true. Forget due process. Who cares is someone innocent gets ruined. It is about the cause.

And that hurts real victims, because predators can hide behind the veil of social media oversaturation

We are at a point where college parties (especially) must be chaperoned, serve only cookies and juice, and have a 10 pm curfew.
 
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[quote="Andrew" post=313860][quote="Beast of the East" post=313857]Zaun post contains harsh realities of the tremendous power of #metoo. For certain many allegations against prominent powerful men were true. For certain any allegation, even if untrue can destroy the reputation of the accused, and often cast from the shadows.

Social media wields incredible power and can be used recklessly anonymously at times.

Protecting the innocent accused and privacy and anonymity of victims are often mutually exclusive.

College life is especially vulnerable. The culture of hookups has surpassed the culture of dating on campuses, with many students never having been on an actual date yet are sexually active. The lines between consensual and non consensual sex appear clear but even each participant can have radically different and changing views if what occurred and how.

Scary times for certain.[/quote]

Beast - I often disagree with you on your political/social posts but on this topic you are spot on. Having a teenage son and daughter, I find myself just as concerned about my son being falsely accused of sexual misconduct as I do my daughter being a victim. I know that may not be a politically correct statement but as a parent that is how I feel.[/quote]

I don't mind political disagreements so long as their is civil discourse. What's missing in today's landscape is a refusal to seek common ground and compromise, along with an ever present vitriol that paints the opposition party as evil. What is evil is using political power to primarily protect self interests over the welfare of the populace.

I have to find an article that was written on the culture of hookups on college campuses which contributes to the assault problem
 
Some good posts here. Of course if these hold any water, these should be prosecuted. I think many of the students involved in that hashtag had extreme political agendas beforehand and may have taken something normally menial e.g. an inexperienced college guy getting the courage to approach a girl and getting shut down and turned it into "sexual assault/harassment". Drunken hookups take two to tango...everyone has a story they now laugh about, but now we are told that women cannot consent while drinking alcohol while men can. This stuff must be challenged IMO or there's the risk of guilty until proven innocent really taking hold in society. The lines have been blurred and now asking a girl out or hitting on a girl even respectfully is grouped in with a man who gropes a woman walking by. People are now trying to fit harmless pickup attempts to fit an extreme narrative and unfortunately college administration are sometimes complicit in validating this stuff. An accusation is not proof. They posted pictures of many men while admitting they weren't presuming guilt (which is absurd because it's obvious they're implying each is guilty). I'm not a lawyer, but I would think the men pictured have a case for defamation against whoever posted their pictures on Twitter if the accusations are unfounded. If they are founded then shame on them and give them the strongest consequences.
 
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I haven't been an undergrad student at St. John's in 22 years, so I have no insight into the lives of our current students, or the on campus experiences of my alma mater (it was a commuter school experience for me and unless I was in class, I was at work). Claims of sexual assault or rape are extremely serious and need to be swiftly addressed by the police and by school administrators. Far too many campuses are more worried about protecting the accused and the institution's reputation, and this article speaks to the frustration of female students when voicing their complaints to school officials. Any student that is credibly accused of these allegations needs to be expelled immediately, even if its a star player I root for on the Men's Basketball team. Cannot have an unsafe and/or criminal environment at the University. The students deserve to know that the School has their best interest at heart.
 
This is scary to read, especially with Shamorie's name coming up.

Just read through the tweets. Not sure how to feel about this. It's Noble that this faceless person is looking to be a voice of others, but is also trying to spin this so that they don't receive repurcussion should the claims turn out to be false. Could easily see this becoming a legal issue for the person who owns the account.
 
[quote="indyredmen97" post=313905]I haven't been an undergrad student at St. John's in 22 years, so I have no insight into the lives of our current students, or the on campus experiences of my alma mater (it was a commuter school experience for me and unless I was in class, I was at work). Claims of sexual assault or rape are extremely serious and need to be swiftly addressed by the police and by school administrators. Far too many campuses are more worried about protecting the accused and the institution's reputation, and this article speaks to the frustration of female students when voicing their complaints to school officials. Any student that is credibly accused of these allegations needs to be expelled immediately, even if its a star player I root for on the Men's Basketball team. Cannot have an unsafe and/or criminal environment at the University. The students deserve to know that the School has their best interest at heart.[/quote]

IMO, you are an incredibly level headed poster, but expel anyone on a credible accusation? What is a credible accusation until it is objectively investigated fully and proven with facts?
 
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