Obekpa, on multiple occasions, has demonstrated a Clinton-like disregard for the normal rules that apply to everyone else. Eg- refusing to enter the BET game last year, throwing the ball against the Humbolt state backboard this year to pad his rebound stats , assaulting a hapless Butler player, etc.
Well, hope he's happy now, because he's screwed his teammates and set his draft prospects back significantly. And hope the door doesn't hit him on the way out.
I believe it was just a J and unlike Clinton he inhaled.Obekpa, on multiple occasions, has demonstrated a Clinton-like disregard for the normal rules that apply to everyone else. Eg- refusing to enter the BET game last year, throwing the ball against the Humbolt state backboard this year to pad his rebound stats , assaulting a hapless Butler player, etc.
Well, hope he's happy now, because he's screwed his teammates and set his draft prospects back significantly. And hope the door doesn't hit him on the way out.
Clinton-like? Did Obekpa get a BJ?
I've lost the ability to defend Chris both on the court and now off of it. You all can debate how much of this falls on the head coach, but in my opinion Chris cost himself an opportunity of a lifetime, and that's his problem
If this was Villanova GTown or PC would the jokes and wiseass comments be flying on this board?
I don't even know what to say to this. Unless Lavin rolled it and shotgunned into his mouth or packed the bowl and said "smoke this ish or else," I'm not blaming him.This is what it's come to? It's not Obekpa's fault? He smoked the weed. It was an instant gratification move on his part. I'm assuming there was no gun to his head and considering he's the only one suspended, he didn't puff it with anyone else on the team.I'm not scanning through 32 pages, he got suspended for weed?
I'm not a Lavin apologist, but how is this his fault? If this is true, this bozo goes out and gets high before his (probable) only NCAA Tournament?? What the eff was/is he thinking?
Was the Pittsburgh strip club incident at least partly Jarvis' fault?
I wouldn't miss Lavin one bit, but blaming him for this is a mistake. CO made a stupid decision, one he'll have to live with the rest of his life.
I blame him more for the culture then for the actual act. There's been a pattern.
I'm sorry. People have to still be accountable for their own actions. I know society always needs a scapegoat, and God knows Lavin can be blamed for other things (or his inability to coach properly) but this is ALL Obekpa's fault.
He smoked (allegedly, I guess), he knew what was at stake, and he had his greatest game ahead of him and HE STILL DID IT. Not Lavin, OBEKPA did it. He cost himself and, probably, cost the entire team. Selfish. Point blank
Agree with everything you're saying other than to give Lavin a complete pass on this. When my kids-20 and 16 years old-do something stupid I blame them, but I also take partial blame as the parent. So maybe its just my perspective on things.
It's not only what he did, but when he did it. He gets caught doing this in June after school is over, it doesn't bother me so much. Even in April or May after the season is over. But now he has affected the outcome of their season, and that's not forgivable. If any of my kids at that age do something like that, I'm not to blame, and I certainly would hold them fully accountable - not their roommates, friends, teachers, or coaches. Put the blame where blame belongs, and you're a better parent. Take some of the blame, and you're giving them a crutch.
This program manages to ruin my favorite day of the year. Unreal. Gut the team and get rid of this God awful coach.
We will suck next year with or without Lavin time to rip the band aid and start the rebuild. Lavin will leave SJU in worse shape than norm Roberts did when all is said and done and that is sad
Just go steve
Honestly, I think this is the right approach. Just think about something for a minute. Of the starting 5, 3 players have been suspended at some point in their St. John's careers. Pretty pathetic in my eyes.
Yet Lavin gets praised for recruiting "good kids", and its constantly mentioned how much respect they have for him. Ridiculous.
Monte, I understand your frustration; I feel it too. But if smoking pot means you're not a "good kid," then I guess I wasn't a good kid when I was in college (or thereafter). CO may have done something stupid -- really, really stupid -- but it doesn't mean he's a "bad" kid.
But did your use negatively impact teammates, coaches, a university and its fanbase?
I don't even know what to say to this. Unless Lavin rolled it and shotgunned into his mouth or packed the bowl and said "smoke this ish or else," I'm not blaming him.This is what it's come to? It's not Obekpa's fault? He smoked the weed. It was an instant gratification move on his part. I'm assuming there was no gun to his head and considering he's the only one suspended, he didn't puff it with anyone else on the team.I'm not scanning through 32 pages, he got suspended for weed?
I'm not a Lavin apologist, but how is this his fault? If this is true, this bozo goes out and gets high before his (probable) only NCAA Tournament?? What the eff was/is he thinking?
Was the Pittsburgh strip club incident at least partly Jarvis' fault?
I wouldn't miss Lavin one bit, but blaming him for this is a mistake. CO made a stupid decision, one he'll have to live with the rest of his life.
I blame him more for the culture then for the actual act. There's been a pattern.
I'm sorry. People have to still be accountable for their own actions. I know society always needs a scapegoat, and God knows Lavin can be blamed for other things (or his inability to coach properly) but this is ALL Obekpa's fault.
He smoked (allegedly, I guess), he knew what was at stake, and he had his greatest game ahead of him and HE STILL DID IT. Not Lavin, OBEKPA did it. He cost himself and, probably, cost the entire team. Selfish. Point blank
Agree with everything you're saying other than to give Lavin a complete pass on this. When my kids-20 and 16 years old-do something stupid I blame them, but I also take partial blame as the parent. So maybe its just my perspective on things.
It's not only what he did, but when he did it. He gets caught doing this in June after school is over, it doesn't bother me so much. Even in April or May after the season is over. But now he has affected the outcome of their season, and that's not forgivable. If any of my kids at that age do something like that, I'm not to blame, and I certainly would hold them fully accountable - not their roommates, friends, teachers, or coaches. Put the blame where blame belongs, and you're a better parent. Take some of the blame, and you're giving them a crutch.
Beast I said pretty much the exact same thing about the timing of this in another post. FWIW while I take some of the blame when my kids screw up, I don't share that with them. If my kid(s) continually screw up then the way I see it I didn't do such a good job as parent. But as I mentioned before, maybe that's just me.
This program manages to ruin my favorite day of the year. Unreal. Gut the team and get rid of this God awful coach.
We will suck next year with or without Lavin time to rip the band aid and start the rebuild. Lavin will leave SJU in worse shape than norm Roberts did when all is said and done and that is sad
Just go steve
Honestly, I think this is the right approach. Just think about something for a minute. Of the starting 5, 3 players have been suspended at some point in their St. John's careers. Pretty pathetic in my eyes.
Yet Lavin gets praised for recruiting "good kids", and its constantly mentioned how much respect they have for him. Ridiculous.
Monte, I understand your frustration; I feel it too. But if smoking pot means you're not a "good kid," then I guess I wasn't a good kid when I was in college (or thereafter). CO may have done something stupid -- really, really stupid -- but it doesn't mean he's a "bad" kid.
Maybe so, but they'll be in Charlotte, he'll have to think about it from homeI've lost the ability to defend Chris both on the court and now off of it. You all can debate how much of this falls on the head coach, but in my opinion Chris cost himself an opportunity of a lifetime, and that's his problem
Unfortunately, it's also a problem for his teammates.
Is there one media report confirming the suspicions here? Whether true or not, there has been more drama in Lavin's 5 years than Looie's entire career. Maybe some will blame it on the internet and the 24 hour news cycle exposing things that would have stayed quiet during Looie's time. Sure, stuff happened under Boeheim, Calhoun and other hall of fame coaches. It just seems a little bit too much drama than we are used to at SJU. I thought that would have ended with Pittsburgh. Maybe there just isn't enough discipline here.
Is there one media report confirming the suspicions here? Whether true or not, there has been more drama in Lavin's 5 years than Looie's entire career. Maybe some will blame it on the internet and the 24 hour news cycle exposing things that would have stayed quiet during Looie's time. Sure, stuff happened under Boeheim, Calhoun and other hall of fame coaches. It just seems a little bit too much drama than we are used to at SJU. I thought that would have ended with Pittsburgh. Maybe there just isn't enough discipline here.
Did they even test back in Looie's day?
Obekpa, on multiple occasions, has demonstrated a Clinton-like disregard for the normal rules that apply to everyone else. Eg- refusing to enter the BET game last year, throwing the ball against the Humbolt state backboard this year to pad his rebound stats , assaulting a hapless Butler player, etc.
Well, hope he's happy now, because he's screwed his teammates and set his draft prospects back significantly. And hope the door doesn't hit him on the way out.
Clinton-like? Did Obekpa get a BJ?