Obekpa and weed

[westchesterjoe]

I would NOT want CO back... Time to go in new directions, build a new TEAM.. i would offer JORDAN a chance to return but, Mullin will decide that when he meets with the existing players.


Sometimes, you have to realize not to throw good money, after bad.. CO has a history of being a problem, not just this latest incident but, several others. It's Enough..

 

[thakid]

I would NOT want CO back... Time to go in new directions, build a new TEAM.. i would offer JORDAN a chance to return but, Mullin will decide that when he meets with the existing players.


Sometimes, you have to realize not to throw good money, after bad.. CO has a history of being a problem, not just this latest incident but, several others. It's Enough..

You are probably right that he is unlikely to change but there are plenty of success stories with guys who needed many chances. Who would have thought our own Ron Artest would have lasted on a Phil Jackson team and not been a troublemaker after al the incidents with Indiana. How did Rasheed Wallace finally wake up in Detroit w Larry brown?

Mullin is going to be a very different coach and disciplinarian than lavin. I have full faith in Mullin deciding whether he deserves a chance AND throwing him off the team if he doesn't follow through.

 

[sirvoo]

I was pissed at CO on Selection Sunday and the night of our SDSU game. Other than that get over it people...I for one did a lot worse when I was his age. Sure I didn't have people relying on me for anything but it's unfair to criticize a 21-year-old for making a mistake. Weed is practically legal and if you had any clue about Chris you'd know he's gonna be smoking it for the rest of his life.

 

[fun]

it's unfair to criticize a 21-year-old for making a mistake

It's unfair to criticize a 21 year old? How old do people have to be before they're responsible for their own actions? 40?

 

[sirvoo]

it's unfair to criticize a 21-year-old for making a mistake

It's unfair to criticize a 21 year old? How old do people have to be before they're responsible for their own actions? 40?

when you were 21 you were looking like this...we were all 21 at one point

 

[sirvoo]

except Jack...lucky bastard

 

[westchesterjoe]

I would NOT want CO back... Time to go in new directions, build a new TEAM.. i would offer JORDAN a chance to return but, Mullin will decide that when he meets with the existing players.


Sometimes, you have to realize not to throw good money, after bad.. CO has a history of being a problem, not just this latest incident but, several others. It's Enough..

You are probably right that he is unlikely to change but there are plenty of success stories with guys who needed many chances. Who would have thought our own Ron Artest would have lasted on a Phil Jackson team and not been a troublemaker after al the incidents with Indiana. How did Rasheed Wallace finally wake up in Detroit w Larry brown?

Mullin is going to be a very different coach and disciplinarian than lavin. I have full faith in Mullin deciding whether he deserves a chance AND throwing him off the team if he doesn't follow through.

Good Examples, Kid.. But these reclamation projects were NBA players and not college student/athletes. big difference. IF only because these are multi-million dollar talents and teams have a business interest that often trumps good sense.... Look at the NFL and their bumpkin policy of dealing with Domestic abuse, drug use, drunken driving, etc..

Individual Responsibility and following the Rules, laws, etc should be the prevailing factor in determining who plays and who has forfeited that right.

I would hope no one wants Aaron Hernandez ever playing in the NFL again. Or, Ray " 1 punch" Rice?

You're a lawyer and have probably heard every possible excuse given to justify a wrong doing.. Including blaming the Victims, a common legal strategy..

CO might try this one.."IT wasn't my joint, i was exposed to the 2nd hand smoke of others."

 

[fun]

it's unfair to criticize a 21-year-old for making a mistake

It's unfair to criticize a 21 year old? How old do people have to be before they're responsible for their own actions? 40?

when you were 21 you were looking like this...we were all 21 at one point

Yes, we were all 21 and we all made mistakes and some of us learned from them. But 21 years old is not 14 years old. Susan Atkins was 21 when she tried to cut the baby out of Sharon Tate's belly. Is it okay to criticize her for that?

He can drink, drive, vote, smoke medical marijuana, go to college, join the army, and get a mortgage, but he shall not be criticized. Get real.

 

[thakid]

I would NOT want CO back... Time to go in new directions, build a new TEAM.. i would offer JORDAN a chance to return but, Mullin will decide that when he meets with the existing players.


Sometimes, you have to realize not to throw good money, after bad.. CO has a history of being a problem, not just this latest incident but, several others. It's Enough..

You are probably right that he is unlikely to change but there are plenty of success stories with guys who needed many chances. Who would have thought our own Ron Artest would have lasted on a Phil Jackson team and not been a troublemaker after al the incidents with Indiana. How did Rasheed Wallace finally wake up in Detroit w Larry brown?

Mullin is going to be a very different coach and disciplinarian than lavin. I have full faith in Mullin deciding whether he deserves a chance AND throwing him off the team if he doesn't follow through.

Good Examples, Kid.. But these reclamation projects were NBA players and not college student/athletes. big difference. IF only because these are multi-million dollar talents and teams have a business interest that often trumps good sense.... Look at the NFL and their bumpkin policy of dealing with Domestic abuse, drug use, drunken driving, etc..

Individual Responsibility and following the Rules, laws, etc should be the prevailing factor in determining who plays and who has forfeited that right.

I would hope no one wants Aaron Hernandez ever playing in the NFL again. Or, Ray " 1 punch" Rice?

You're a lawyer and have probably heard every possible excuse given to justify a wrong doing.. Including blaming the Victims, a common legal strategy..

CO might try this one.."IT wasn't my joint, i was exposed to the 2nd hand smoke of others."

Point well taken. And if obekpa had been violent w a woman or done something more severe Id be the first person saying kick him off no excuses. What he did was dumb but everyone would agree that obekpa probably never imagined it would have the result it did - out of stupidity not malice. He is invested like Artest and Wallace were because if he can't succeed here and be problem free - what NBA team will waste their time and money w him?

I think Mullin will be able to tell whether obekpa is willing to dedicate and change or not. I'm not pro obekpa or anti obekpa. But I am pro mullin doing whatever is best for the program. So I'll support his decision either way.

 

[sirvoo]

it's unfair to criticize a 21-year-old for making a mistake

It's unfair to criticize a 21 year old? How old do people have to be before they're responsible for their own actions? 40?

when you were 21 you were looking like this...we were all 21 at one point

Yes, we were all 21 and we all made mistakes and some of us learned from them. But 21 years old is not 14 years old. Susan Atkins was 21 when she tried to cut the baby out of Sharon Tate's belly. Is it okay to criticize her for that?

He can drink, drive, vote, smoke medical marijuana, go to college, join the army, and get a mortgage, but he shall not be criticized. Get real.

Jesus I know it's your MO but you love to take things over the top. he did not help our cause against SDSU but do you see what athletes are doing these days beating their girlfriends and carrying around guns everywhere they go? He smoked weed, and it was fine for us to be disappointed for a day or two but to carry any more ill feelings towards him is unwarranted and trivial

 

[sirvoo]

and I don't even care for CO that much. I don't like how he carries himself on the court with his mocking smile after he gets called for a foul. and I don't think it's an aberration that people slam his elbow with their faces every game. his offensive game is putrid. the weed thing is low on the list IMO

 

[beast of the east]

Bottom line for me: Obekpa showed no respect for Lavin and needed a change of scenery. Sometimes a problem child goes somewhere else, playing for a new guy, and all of a suddent he's a model citizen. I do not think for one second that Mullin will be a doormat. He may have already decided no thanks on CO, and that's his right. But perhaps with a new regime and a very short leash, CO will play within the lines, on and off the court.

 

[westchesterjoe]

it's unfair to criticize a 21-year-old for making a mistake

It's unfair to criticize a 21 year old? How old do people have to be before they're responsible for their own actions? 40?

when you were 21 you were looking like this...we were all 21 at one point

Yes, we were all 21 and we all made mistakes and some of us learned from them. But 21 years old is not 14 years old. Susan Atkins was 21 when she tried to cut the baby out of Sharon Tate's belly. Is it okay to criticize her for that?

He can drink, drive, vote, smoke medical marijuana, go to college, join the army, and get a mortgage, but he shall not be criticized. Get real.

Jesus I know it's your MO but you love to take things over the top. he did not help our cause against SDSU but do you see what athletes are doing these days beating their girlfriends and carrying around guns everywhere they go? He smoked weed, and it was fine for us to be disappointed for a day or two but to carry any more ill feelings towards him is unwarranted and trivial

Yes, this is the FIRST TIME with WEED, a ILLEGAL SUBSTANCE IN NY, regardless of your personal viewpoints. But, CO has been a long time problem, excluding this incident.. Refusing to go back in games, getting thrown out for being a thug,threatening Lavin that he would transfer last year, and, likely a slew more that never made the papers.

Let us not forget, his actions destroyed DLO, Greene, Branch, Pointer's chance of winning a NCAA game.. The only time they would get that chance. think he pissed on their shoes without any remorse..And, don't kid yourself, this incident was added evidence in getting Lavin out of here.

 

[mattc]

The weed doesn't bother me. Letting down his teammates does. I'll trust Mullin's judgement on this, but admit it will be hard for me to root for Obekpa if he's on the team next season.

 

[beast of the east]

it's unfair to criticize a 21-year-old for making a mistake

It's unfair to criticize a 21 year old? How old do people have to be before they're responsible for their own actions? 40?

when you were 21 you were looking like this...we were all 21 at one point

Yes, we were all 21 and we all made mistakes and some of us learned from them. But 21 years old is not 14 years old. Susan Atkins was 21 when she tried to cut the baby out of Sharon Tate's belly. Is it okay to criticize her for that?

He can drink, drive, vote, smoke medical marijuana, go to college, join the army, and get a mortgage, but he shall not be criticized. Get real.

Jesus I know it's your MO but you love to take things over the top. he did not help our cause against SDSU but do you see what athletes are doing these days beating their girlfriends and carrying around guns everywhere they go? He smoked weed, and it was fine for us to be disappointed for a day or two but to carry any more ill feelings towards him is unwarranted and trivial

Yes, this is the FIRST TIME with WEED, a ILLEGAL SUBSTANCE IN NY, regardless of your personal viewpoints. But, CO has been a long time problem, excluding this incident.. Refusing to go back in games, getting thrown out for being a thug,threatening Lavin that he would transfer last year, and, likely a slew more that never made the papers.

Let us not forget, his actions destroyed DLO, Greene, Branch, Pointer's chance of winning a NCAA game.. The only time they would get that chance. think he pissed on their shoes without any remorse..And, don't kid yourself, this incident was added evidence in getting Lavin out of here.

Not to mention any chance of Mike Maher buying every SJU fan at Tilt bar free drinks had we won.

 

[Chris7]

I'm not entirely sure he wouldn't make the same damn mistake again next season.

No guarantee, but think he deserves another chance on a short leash with a new coach.

damn wtf a third chance? I see people could easily get over on people from the board.

I don't care who you are, you might get a 2nd chance, but absolutely not a 3rd chance.
wtf kind of message does that send to the rest of the team?

Instead of thinking it as the 2nd or 3rd chance, I would think of it as his first and only chance with Mullin and new staff.

Except I'm willing to bet it was a lot more than 2nd or 3rd chance...

 

[we are sju]

Judging by this thread, I am pretty sure people do not know there Mullin history.
I am betting Mullin uses his past to bring Obekpa back. In fact for the first time I think both he and Jordan come back. Don't know about Sampson but have a good feeling about CO and Jordan.

 

[kranmars]

coach mullin (love calling him that) .

In posters will refer to him as "Mull" or "Mulls."

And for those who are the "1 percent in posters," they can refer to him as "Mully."

 

[sirvoo]

I'm not defending his actions. but I'm also not going to pretend like I care. I try not to harp on a 21-year-old getting suspend for smoking pot. we know his level of character, we know how petulant he acts and we know he had nobody reeling him in. like I've said before, CO is more interested in the road to Zion than the road to the final 4. Why was anyone surprised by these developments?

 

[fun]

it's unfair to criticize a 21-year-old for making a mistake

It's unfair to criticize a 21 year old? How old do people have to be before they're responsible for their own actions? 40?

when you were 21 you were looking like this...we were all 21 at one point

Yes, we were all 21 and we all made mistakes and some of us learned from them. But 21 years old is not 14 years old. Susan Atkins was 21 when she tried to cut the baby out of Sharon Tate's belly. Is it okay to criticize her for that?

He can drink, drive, vote, smoke medical marijuana, go to college, join the army, and get a mortgage, but he shall not be criticized. Get real.

Jesus I know it's your MO but you love to take things over the top. he did not help our cause against SDSU but do you see what athletes are doing these days beating their girlfriends and carrying around guns everywhere they go? He smoked weed, and it was fine for us to be disappointed for a day or two but to carry any more ill feelings towards him is unwarranted and trivial

I don't care about dope smoking. I may have used illegal substances myself at some point in the past or maybe even this morning. I'm addressing your statement that "unfair to criticize a 21-year-old for making a mistake." Because that statement is absurd. Had you said something less absurd - eg it's unfair to criticize a three year old for making a mistake or it's unfair to take away a 21 year old's scholarship for making a mistake - I'd not have said anything.

My take is that Obekpa is just about a sociopoath. The bizarre grinning, the stupid shorts, the woofing, the finger wagging, the dirty play, and various flagrant fouls and attempted murders. At first I thought he was having trouble acclimating to a new country and new experiences, but now I think he's just sick in the head. Probably smoking dope would be therapeutic. Based upon his behavior it's the least troubling thing he's done.