'Nova Game Thread

I'm enjoying what I'm seeing and don't watn to wait til next year to enjoy - I'd take this over last year's senior led team any day - we have talent!

all the best
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You've inadvertently proved my point even more. (Like the WWI or II crack, btw, haha) I wouldn't trade last year for anything, one of my favorite year's supporting a Johnnie team. My favorite since Hatten's senior year. But, that's the biggest difference for all the naysayers (not yourself, of course). You had a veteran-laden club, all 20 or 21 years of age, all used to the rigors of a 40-minute game and the hustle and intensity required for 18 Big East games. We took advantage of a lot of younger teams last season. Now, we're the younger team, playing with, a pretty much unheard of, 6-man rotation. We're the youngest team in the COUNTRY, and the youngest team in all our years of Division I basketball.
There are going to be bumps in the road, obviously, I would think. For anyone that wants to call me a blind homer, go right ahead. How about you ask my wife or my daughter how much of a blind homer I was (stupidly) screaming at my TV for a good 15 minutes straight yesterday, and especially, when Gift tried to throw that pass to Pointer. I was livid. Just because I don't pound on the keyboard (like a lot of you also restrain yourselves) and act like a 7-year-old who had my ball taken from me on this website, doesn't mean I'm a homer. I want to win every game, like any fan of any team. I want to win by 60 points, no matter if we're playing Fordham or Duke.
Someone needed to say it, because, Captain Obvious here, we ALL feel this way, I would assume. I choose to be realistic about it.
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I believe SS&G is in agreement with you, guinness. I have a pretty, good feeling who you're directing this towards.  
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MJD/Guinness:

Just came back from getting my son to his SAT training. Thanks for the responses.

Even though we were at the garden, I think I heard you yelling MJD!

Homer? Is that Simpson, Bush, Frank Baker?

all the best

I mentioned to a SJU fan behind our seats (once again annoying my teen son for talking to others) if we only had e.g. Justin Burrell redshirt from last year to give a little experience - and this fan said "no way" was not a Burrell fan but you know what I meant.

It is what it is - no denying many losses - I do not see any more wins - but there is no denying we are going in perhaps the best direction ever since Joe Lapchick ("force them to retire at age 65") days  
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LOL I don't yell, as much as I use to. Kinda watches the games in a casual manner. But, I do plenty of clapping during games. Whether, it's clapping in applause or one hard clap when something doesn't go right.

I don't see many, if any more wins, either. I'll continue to clap one way or the other the remainder of the season. LOL
 
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LOL I don't yell, as much as I use to. Kinda watches the games in a casual manner. But, I do plenty of clapping during games. Whether, it's clapping in applause or one hard clap when something doesn't go right.

I don't see many, if any more wins, either. I'll continue to clap one way or the other the remainder of the season. LOL
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I referred to the wrong person - was it Guinness who said he yelled and through his remote (and frightened his poor young kids)?

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[quote="MJDinkins"
LOL I don't yell, as much as I use to. Kinda watches the games in a casual manner. But, I do plenty of clapping during games. Whether, it's clapping in applause or one hard clap when something doesn't go right.

I don't see many, if any more wins, either. I'll continue to clap one way or the other the remainder of the season. LOL
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I referred to the wrong person - was it Guinness who said he yelled and through his remote (and frightened his poor young kids)?

thanks 
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I believe it was guinness.
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Aside from getting whipped on the boards (48-32 or something like that), the game changed dramatically when Nova went to what appeared to be a 3-2 zone with the score 60-50 SJU, putting lots of pressure on the ball as soon as we crossed midcourt. Open looks disappeared, we struggled to move the ball, and Nova clawed back.
 
Aside from getting whipped on the boards (48-32 or something like that), the game changed dramatically when Nova went to what appeared to be a 3-2 zone with the score 60-50 SJU, putting lots of pressure on the ball as soon as we crossed midcourt. Open looks disappeared, we struggled to move the ball, and Nova clawed back.
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BOE (as opposed to BQE etc.) agree AND

"changed dramaticially" also when Harrison got his 4th then 5th foul. We need him in there.

all the best
 
Aside from getting whipped on the boards (48-32 or something like that), the game changed dramatically when Nova went to what appeared to be a 3-2 zone with the score 60-50 SJU, putting lots of pressure on the ball as soon as we crossed midcourt. Open looks disappeared, we struggled to move the ball, and Nova clawed back.
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We lost because we played like freshmen. We turned the ball over because we have poor ball handlers.
We lost because we missed key "free" throws. We lost because we were shrimp and Nova had whales under the basket. We lost because our best player and projected NBA first round pick scored one field goal, one foul shot and committed three turnovers in his last 19 minutes in the game. Some day Moe will play with the confidence of Malik Sealy but yesterday he played like a shrimp.
 
It's clear to me that Garrett and Pointer can't and shouldn't take three pointers, both are poor jump shooters, each throw up bricks. Saw enough of Garrett at Findlay to know he scored off easy put backs. Pointer, obviously, scored off his outstanding defensive ability.  
 
Aside from getting whipped on the boards (48-32 or something like that), the game changed dramatically when Nova went to what appeared to be a 3-2 zone with the score 60-50 SJU, putting lots of pressure on the ball as soon as we crossed midcourt. Open looks disappeared, we struggled to move the ball, and Nova clawed back.
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We lost because we played like freshmen. We turned the ball over because we have poor ball handlers.
We lost because we missed key "free" throws. We lost because we were shrimp and Nova had whales under the basket. We lost because our best player and projected NBA first round pick scored one field goal, one foul shot and committed three turnovers in his last 19 minutes in the game. Some day Moe will play with the confidence of Malik Sealy but yesterday he played like a shrimp.
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Nova didn't exactly light it up. Everything you said is true, we did not play well, but still could have won the game. I would say Nova played as badly and as sloppily as we did. And no question we need Harrison and Harkless, well probably everyone on the court given our short bench.
 
Nova didn't exactly light it up. Everything you said is true, we did not play well, but still could have won the game. I would say Nova played as badly and as sloppily as we did. And no question we need Harrison and Harkless, well probably everyone on the court given our short bench.
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and fewer reaching-in cheap fouls - cannot afford to have Harrison or Garrett on the bench etc. Again = inexperience

all the best 
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It's clear to me that Garrett and Pointer can't and shouldn't take three pointers, both are poor jump shooters, each throw up bricks. Saw enough of Garrett at Findlay to know he scored off easy put backs. Pointer, obviously, scored off his outstanding defensive ability.  
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Exactly, one problem here is that players don't know what their roles should be. Having Pointer and Garret take three pointers is like committing turnovers. Is there any wonder why we are like ranked 300+ something for D 1 in 3point field goals?

Just to set the record straight, I never predicted a 500 record.... But my comments are based on the here and now and regardless of youth, there are several issues with the team as is. I am not expecting them to win much at all, but there are certain things basketball wise that are just not clicking. If the blind loyalists who claim to understand hoops would open their eyes , perhaps they would learn something.
 
It's clear to me that Garrett and Pointer can't and shouldn't take three pointers, both are poor jump shooters, each throw up bricks. Saw enough of Garrett at Findlay to know he scored off easy put backs. Pointer, obviously, scored off his outstanding defensive ability.  
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Exactly, one problem here is that players don't know what their roles should be. Having Pointer and Garret take three pointers is like committing turnovers. Is there any wonder why we are like ranked 300+ something for D 1 in 3point field goals?

Just to set the record straight, I never predicted a 500 record.... But my comments are based on the here and now and regardless of youth, there are several issues with the team as is. I am not expecting them to win much at all, but there are certain things basketball wise that are just not clicking. If the blind loyalists who claim to understand hoops would open their eyes , perhaps they would learn something.
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Let us know your basketball expertise.... Enlighten us.
 
It's clear to me that Garrett and Pointer can't and shouldn't take three pointers, both are poor jump shooters, each throw up bricks. Saw enough of Garrett at Findlay to know he scored off easy put backs. Pointer, obviously, scored off his outstanding defensive ability.  
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Exactly, one problem here is that players don't know what their roles should be. Having Pointer and Garret take three pointers is like committing turnovers. Is there any wonder why we are like ranked 300+ something for D 1 in 3point field goals?

Just to set the record straight, I never predicted a 500 record.... But my comments are based on the here and now and regardless of youth, there are several issues with the team as is. I am not expecting them to win much at all, but there are certain things basketball wise that are just not clicking. If the blind loyalists who claim to understand hoops would open their eyes , perhaps they would learn something.
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Let us know your basketball expertise.... Enlighten us.
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  He's Realfan
 
It's clear to me that Garrett and Pointer can't and shouldn't take three pointers, both are poor jump shooters, each throw up bricks. Saw enough of Garrett at Findlay to know he scored off easy put backs. Pointer, obviously, scored off his outstanding defensive ability.  
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Exactly, one problem here is that players don't know what their roles should be. Having Pointer and Garret take three pointers is like committing turnovers. Is there any wonder why we are like ranked 300+ something for D 1 in 3point field goals?

Just to set the record straight, I never predicted a 500 record.... But my comments are based on the here and now and regardless of youth, there are several issues with the team as is. I am not expecting them to win much at all, but there are certain things basketball wise that are just not clicking. If the blind loyalists who claim to understand hoops would open their eyes , perhaps they would learn something.
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I haven't seen a single play run to get Pointer or Garrett a three. Pointer, in fact, passes up many open looks because he recognizes that he shouldn't take them. The only times he shoots rom long range is out of despeartion when the ball is in his hands as the shot clock is about to expire. Garrett has attempted some that maybe he should not have. Teams have backed off and let him shoot, likely because they recognize that he isn't a shooter.
 
It's clear to me that Garrett and Pointer can't and shouldn't take three pointers, both are poor jump shooters, each throw up bricks. Saw enough of Garrett at Findlay to know he scored off easy put backs. Pointer, obviously, scored off his outstanding defensive ability.  
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I haven't seen a single play run to get Pointer or Garrett a three. Pointer, in fact, passes up many open looks because he recognizes that he shouldn't take them. The only times he shoots rom long range is out of despeartion when the ball is in his hands as the shot clock is about to expire. Garrett has attempted some that maybe he should not have. Teams have backed off and let him shoot, likely because they recognize that he isn't a shooter.
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Simply Red and others

I like Pointer, his energy and what he brings, reminds me of a Willie Glass, and if he can score more, a Billy Goodwin

all the best
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Last year's starting team was no bigger than this year's. We brought Burrell off the bench and didn't even play Evans the first half of the season. Still, we made the tourney and beat a ton of good teams. Our rebounding was spread out and it wasn't a problem. That's the difference between seniors and frosh but I don't see much boxing going on. I believe we're better playing man but now they're so used to zone it's a problem for guys like Gift and Moe. I also thought Dunlap spit the bit vs Nova with bad T/Os and the ridiculous oversight of not pulling Harrison after his third. I said to the person I was with he'd have his fourth within 30 seconds and sadly, that was on the money and eventually cost us the game. If fans can see this coming why can't our highly paid assistant? He also seems to have no answer for guys like Wayns who get dominant against us. He's so in love with his high fallutin defenses he blows simple CYO game coaching techniques like doubling the hot guy etc. Nova was doubling us and getting away with it all day.
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I had no problem with Dunlap's last timeout. Pointer had the ball in his hands, and I felt he was either gonna be out of control or turn the ball over. I agree he should've pulled Harrison out of the game after he picked up his 3rd foul. How long do you sit him once you pull him?

How many players or teams have actually stopped Wayns this season? Not too many (that's for sure). 'Nova isn't having a good season, but Wayns is having a super season. Wayns was making NBA-like plays yesterday. Wayns last shot, which essentially was the shot that sent the game into OT, was defended well, but he hit a very, tough shot. That was certainly NBA'ish.

Some of you also forget that Dunlap can't use all of his tools due to our roster being shorthanded. Some of you also forget Dunlap has won two D-2 national titles. Before some one comes on here and says something silly like, he's not in D-2 now.... Well, he won with guys playing against players on their same level. The same as he coaching with now. The difference is he probably was coaching with a full roster and a roster suitable for him to be very interchangable.  
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I don't care about Dunlap's D2 record. My comments are primarily about yesterday's game and things that I consider to be mistakes. I think there's a reason we went man yesterday but it's not as if you can turn it on and off without problems. Gift's footwork just wasn't up to the task. I happen to like the matchup zone but you need personnel to play it. We also allow so many more open shots than we get it's a shame. Since Norm blew the St Francis game we've been allowing hot players to beat us with threes or penetration. In the old days someone like Matt brust or Lamont Middleton would have taken their heads off. I'll know we're back when that crap stops.
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Great point, I mean you never see good coaches switch defenses. Players just get confused with their footwork. And we are still so negatively affected by that St. Francis loss, I mean these guys must have gotten tapes of that game while they were in high school and just thought that's how SJU players are supposed to play......... Dunlap can coach, but not nearly as well as you can make me laugh.
 
Season is not lost. They will win some more Big East games, don't worry. Just remember ND lost its best player and still beat undefeated 'Cuse. 
 
Last year's starting team was no bigger than this year's. We brought Burrell off the bench and didn't even play Evans the first half of the season. Still, we made the tourney and beat a ton of good teams. Our rebounding was spread out and it wasn't a problem. That's the difference between seniors and frosh but I don't see much boxing going on. I believe we're better playing man but now they're so used to zone it's a problem for guys like Gift and Moe. I also thought Dunlap spit the bit vs Nova with bad T/Os and the ridiculous oversight of not pulling Harrison after his third. I said to the person I was with he'd have his fourth within 30 seconds and sadly, that was on the money and eventually cost us the game. If fans can see this coming why can't our highly paid assistant? He also seems to have no answer for guys like Wayns who get dominant against us. He's so in love with his high fallutin defenses he blows simple CYO game coaching techniques like doubling the hot guy etc. Nova was doubling us and getting away with it all day.
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I had no problem with Dunlap's last timeout. Pointer had the ball in his hands, and I felt he was either gonna be out of control or turn the ball over. I agree he should've pulled Harrison out of the game after he picked up his 3rd foul. How long do you sit him once you pull him?

How many players or teams have actually stopped Wayns this season? Not too many (that's for sure). 'Nova isn't having a good season, but Wayns is having a super season. Wayns was making NBA-like plays yesterday. Wayns last shot, which essentially was the shot that sent the game into OT, was defended well, but he hit a very, tough shot. That was certainly NBA'ish.

Some of you also forget that Dunlap can't use all of his tools due to our roster being shorthanded. Some of you also forget Dunlap has won two D-2 national titles. Before some one comes on here and says something silly like, he's not in D-2 now.... Well, he won with guys playing against players on their same level. The same as he coaching with now. The difference is he probably was coaching with a full roster and a roster suitable for him to be very interchangable.  
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I don't care about Dunlap's D2 record. My comments are primarily about yesterday's game and things that I consider to be mistakes. I think there's a reason we went man yesterday but it's not as if you can turn it on and off without problems. Gift's footwork just wasn't up to the task. I happen to like the matchup zone but you need personnel to play it. We also allow so many more open shots than we get it's a shame. Since Norm blew the St Francis game we've been allowing hot players to beat us with threes or penetration. In the old days someone like Matt brust or Lamont Middleton would have taken their heads off. I'll know we're back when that crap stops.
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Great point, I mean you never see good coaches switch defenses. Players just get confused with their footwork. And we are still so negatively affected by that St. Francis loss, I mean these guys must have gotten tapes of that game while they were in high school and just thought that's how SJU players are supposed to play......... Dunlap can coach, but not nearly as well as you can make me laugh.
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We've been avoiding Man like the plague and giving up uncontested threes since Dunlap's been here. Now suddenly we're playing it? Why? To me it was obvious that Moe and Gift aren't up to snuff at it. Yeah good coaches switch defenses and until yesterday we weren't. Thanks for making my argument. Keep on laughing genius!
 
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