Nov 8, 2016 - The lesser of two evils?

[JohnnyFan]

I should probably clarify my opinions on my last post. I'm for most deregulation ( not all ) I'm not qualified enough to talk about his healthcare proposal ( actually the house version ) I think his 1 page tax proposal is moronic ( I totally get that he is going to ask for more with the intention to settle in between which I respect ) I had a huge problem with the Comey firing.I think Spicer is over his head not personally but because Trump and insiders are such loose cannons. I freaking despise his tweets but I guess people love him for that too

My main thing is why give the far left ( way left of Jfan who is quite reasonable ) but why give the far left all this ammunition. Win the fucking middle for crying out loud.

There is zero doubt in my mind that any Russia shit won't get back to Trump personally but jesus WTF. There is such a chance to accomplish great things. Especially if you separate biz tax from personal and work out repatriation but also simplify personal tax code but make it revenue neutral. None of this typical bs of we will grow the economy to pay for the cuts. It's fucking such bs. but damn he has a chance to transform this country. I'm all for what he is doing with trade. Love his approach with china

MJ.....we can talk. I am on board with your entire last paragraph. Just get Trump out of office and some of those initiatives get done. Of course, traditional Republicans would still have to make deals with Tea Party Republicans (admittedly a challenge these days), but without Trump you get rid of the daily circus.

Someone should talk to him about resigning. Come up with a story that feeds his ego. Tell him he can resign and declare that he has successfully changed the landscape of politics. Convince him he is a champion and send him on his way. It wouldn't have been my choice, but I could roll with Pence.

P.S......can't believe you're a flip phone guy. Didn't see that one coming.

 

[mjmaherjr]

I should probably clarify my opinions on my last post. I'm for most deregulation ( not all ) I'm not qualified enough to talk about his healthcare proposal ( actually the house version ) I think his 1 page tax proposal is moronic ( I totally get that he is going to ask for more with the intention to settle in between which I respect ) I had a huge problem with the Comey firing.I think Spicer is over his head not personally but because Trump and insiders are such loose cannons. I freaking despise his tweets but I guess people love him for that too

My main thing is why give the far left ( way left of Jfan who is quite reasonable ) but why give the far left all this ammunition. Win the fucking middle for crying out loud.

There is zero doubt in my mind that any Russia shit won't get back to Trump personally but jesus WTF. There is such a chance to accomplish great things. Especially if you separate biz tax from personal and work out repatriation but also simplify personal tax code but make it revenue neutral. None of this typical bs of we will grow the economy to pay for the cuts. It's fucking such bs. but damn he has a chance to transform this country. I'm all for what he is doing with trade. Love his approach with china

MJ.....we can talk. I am on board with your entire last paragraph. Just get Trump out of office and some of those initiatives get done. Of course, traditional Republicans would still have to make deals with Tea Party Republicans (admittedly a challenge these days), but without Trump you get rid of the daily circus.

Someone should talk to him about resigning. Come up with a story that feeds his ego. Tell him he can resign and declare that he has successfully changed the landscape of politics. Convince him he is a champion and send him on his way. It wouldn't have been my choice, but I could roll with Pence.

P.S......can't believe you're a flip phone guy. Didn't see that one coming.

Haaaa. Flip phone for life. Actually the only time I have used a smart phone other than borrowing a friends to log onto Facebook or redmen is in Cuba this year when the only international phone verizon could give me was a samsung galaxy which I liked a lot and it took better pictures than Nathalie's iPhone.

The world will shake in august when I might actually.............. upgrade to a smartphone

 

[JohnnyFan]

I should probably clarify my opinions on my last post. I'm for most deregulation ( not all ) I'm not qualified enough to talk about his healthcare proposal ( actually the house version ) I think his 1 page tax proposal is moronic ( I totally get that he is going to ask for more with the intention to settle in between which I respect ) I had a huge problem with the Comey firing.I think Spicer is over his head not personally but because Trump and insiders are such loose cannons. I freaking despise his tweets but I guess people love him for that too

My main thing is why give the far left ( way left of Jfan who is quite reasonable ) but why give the far left all this ammunition. Win the fucking middle for crying out loud.

There is zero doubt in my mind that any Russia shit won't get back to Trump personally but jesus WTF. There is such a chance to accomplish great things. Especially if you separate biz tax from personal and work out repatriation but also simplify personal tax code but make it revenue neutral. None of this typical bs of we will grow the economy to pay for the cuts. It's fucking such bs. but damn he has a chance to transform this country. I'm all for what he is doing with trade. Love his approach with china

MJ.....we can talk. I am on board with your entire last paragraph. Just get Trump out of office and some of those initiatives get done. Of course, traditional Republicans would still have to make deals with Tea Party Republicans (admittedly a challenge these days), but without Trump you get rid of the daily circus.

Someone should talk to him about resigning. Come up with a story that feeds his ego. Tell him he can resign and declare that he has successfully changed the landscape of politics. Convince him he is a champion and send him on his way. It wouldn't have been my choice, but I could roll with Pence.

P.S......can't believe you're a flip phone guy. Didn't see that one coming.

Haaaa. Flip phone for life. Actually the only time I have used a smart phone other than borrowing a friends to log onto Facebook or redmen is in Cuba this year when the only international phone verizon could give me was a samsung galaxy which I liked a lot and it took better pictures than Nathalie's iPhone.

The world will shake in august when I might actually.............. upgrade to a smartphone

Oh boy.....friends and family must have fun with you about this.

 

[fun]

if you do not fit their ideology, we couldn't care less how much democratic institutions are undermined because it is about them...

That's certainly true: they care about nothing but power and don't care whose rights they have to trample to attain it. I meant only that this is not an attack on the presidency; it's an attack on the legitimacy of this particular president. They turned a blind eye to Obama's abuses and had Hillary been elected and fired Comey on day one they'd have give her an award and when the next democrat wins the white house they'll be back in love with the imperial executive.

Meanwhile, Republicans control both houses of congress, the white house, 30 governorships, and both chambers in 30 plus state legislatures. And the question asked isn't why do the majority of democratic referendums reflect the fact that the people who are to be governed think that liberal policies are bonkers. They know they're right, so the question becomes a declarative statement, you see it right here in this thread: well i guess maybe you guys might have some reasonable ideas that we on the left might be happy to consider if you'd just agree to the removal of the president. The absence of self awareness is mind boggling.

 

[logen]

I should probably clarify my opinions on my last post. I'm for most deregulation ( not all ) I'm not qualified enough to talk about his healthcare proposal ( actually the house version ) I think his 1 page tax proposal is moronic ( I totally get that he is going to ask for more with the intention to settle in between which I respect ) I had a huge problem with the Comey firing.I think Spicer is over his head not personally but because Trump and insiders are such loose cannons. I freaking despise his tweets but I guess people love him for that too

My main thing is why give the far left ( way left of Jfan who is quite reasonable ) but why give the far left all this ammunition. Win the fucking middle for crying out loud.

There is zero doubt in my mind that any Russia shit won't get back to Trump personally but jesus WTF. There is such a chance to accomplish great things. Especially if you separate biz tax from personal and work out repatriation but also simplify personal tax code but make it revenue neutral. None of this typical bs of we will grow the economy to pay for the cuts. It's fucking such bs. but damn he has a chance to transform this country. I'm all for what he is doing with trade. Love his approach with china

MJ.....we can talk. I am on board with your entire last paragraph. Just get Trump out of office and some of those initiatives get done. Of course, traditional Republicans would still have to make deals with Tea Party Republicans (admittedly a challenge these days), but without Trump you get rid of the daily circus.

Someone should talk to him about resigning. Come up with a story that feeds his ego. Tell him he can resign and declare that he has successfully changed the landscape of politics. Convince him he is a champion and send him on his way. It wouldn't have been my choice, but I could roll with Pence.

P.S......can't believe you're a flip phone guy. Didn't see that one coming.

Virtually NO ONE in Washington is interested in anything but maintaining the status quo; this perceived difference between the left and many Republicans does not exist. Call it Deep State, give it whatever name you want but our government is completely our of control. We reel it in or suffer the consequences. A couple of years ago, Trump would have not been in my top 10,000 of presidential candidates but in hindsight he is probably the only person who could have challenged and one against the ruling class that is slowly but surely transforming this country. All you have to do is see the ridiculous false narratives, mostly Russia, that dominates their message. ALL of Washington is afraid of Trump, not just the left. So we see a media and Democratic obsession with a fairy tale and now that they perceive the time to be right, pseudo Republicans like McCain and Graham are jumping on the Russia train. Meanwhile, the Clintons leave a trail of dead bodies in their wake, Obama and Hillary leave AMERICAN citizens in service of their country to die in Benghazi and then just blatantly lie about it, and the Obama administration spies on and then outs AMERICAN citizens to a degree that makes Watergate look like a candy store robbery and NO ONE CARES. No, let's all be good little lemmings and buy into this BS narrative being sold. Trump is not a politician and at times it most certainly shows, but should he leave office in any unnatural way, the ruling class has won and we will be all conned and lied to and manipulated until America is just another part of a "third world" globe completely dominated and controlled by an elite ruling class. Look no further than the EU because that is what America will look like so quick your head will spin.

 

[JohnnyFan]

I should probably clarify my opinions on my last post. I'm for most deregulation ( not all ) I'm not qualified enough to talk about his healthcare proposal ( actually the house version ) I think his 1 page tax proposal is moronic ( I totally get that he is going to ask for more with the intention to settle in between which I respect ) I had a huge problem with the Comey firing.I think Spicer is over his head not personally but because Trump and insiders are such loose cannons. I freaking despise his tweets but I guess people love him for that too

My main thing is why give the far left ( way left of Jfan who is quite reasonable ) but why give the far left all this ammunition. Win the fucking middle for crying out loud.

There is zero doubt in my mind that any Russia shit won't get back to Trump personally but jesus WTF. There is such a chance to accomplish great things. Especially if you separate biz tax from personal and work out repatriation but also simplify personal tax code but make it revenue neutral. None of this typical bs of we will grow the economy to pay for the cuts. It's fucking such bs. but damn he has a chance to transform this country. I'm all for what he is doing with trade. Love his approach with china

MJ.....we can talk. I am on board with your entire last paragraph. Just get Trump out of office and some of those initiatives get done. Of course, traditional Republicans would still have to make deals with Tea Party Republicans (admittedly a challenge these days), but without Trump you get rid of the daily circus.

Someone should talk to him about resigning. Come up with a story that feeds his ego. Tell him he can resign and declare that he has successfully changed the landscape of politics. Convince him he is a champion and send him on his way. It wouldn't have been my choice, but I could roll with Pence.

P.S......can't believe you're a flip phone guy. Didn't see that one coming.

Virtually NO ONE in Washington is interested in anything but maintaining the status quo; this perceived difference between the left and many Republicans does not exist. Call it Deep State, give it whatever name you want but our government is completely our of control. We reel it in or suffer the consequences. A couple of years ago, Trump would have not been in my top 10,000 of presidential candidates but in hindsight he is probably the only person who could have challenged and one against the ruling class that is slowly but surely transforming this country. All you have to do is see the ridiculous false narratives, mostly Russia, that dominates their message. ALL of Washington is afraid of Trump, not just the left. So we see a media and Democratic obsession with a fairy tale and now that they perceive the time to be right, pseudo Republicans like McCain and Graham are jumping on the Russia train. Meanwhile, the Clintons leave a trail of dead bodies in their wake, Obama and Hillary leave AMERICAN citizens in service of their country to die in Benghazi and then just blatantly lie about it, and the Obama administration spies on and then outs AMERICAN citizens to a degree that makes Watergate look like a candy store robbery and NO ONE CARES. No, let's all be good little lemmings and buy into this BS narrative being sold. Trump is not a politician and at times it most certainly shows, but should he leave office in any unnatural way, the ruling class has won and we will be all conned and lied to and manipulated until America is just another part of a "third world" globe completely dominated and controlled by an elite ruling class. Look no further than the EU because that is what America will look like so quick your head will spin.

I don't think your wrong when you say both sides have a stake in the status quo. The problem is that Trump is too flawed to be the disruptive force you are hoping for. Fortunately, he won't last long.

 

[Spocky Ramone]

if you do not fit their ideology, we couldn't care less how much democratic institutions are undermined because it is about them...

That's certainly true: they care about nothing but power and don't care whose rights they have to trample to attain it. I meant only that this is not an attack on the presidency; it's an attack on the legitimacy of this particular president. They turned a blind eye to Obama's abuses and had Hillary been elected and fired Comey on day one they'd have give her an award and when the next democrat wins the white house they'll be back in love with the imperial executive.

Meanwhile, Republicans control both houses of congress, the white house, 30 governorships, and both chambers in 30 plus state legislatures. And the question asked isn't why do the majority of democratic referendums reflect the fact that the people who are to be governed think that liberal policies are bonkers. They know they're right, so the question becomes a declarative statement, you see it right here in this thread: well i guess maybe you guys might have some reasonable ideas that we on the left might be happy to consider if you'd just agree to the removal of the president. The absence of self awareness is mind boggling.

Funny thing about the left... When they're running things, it's "I won" and "party of No". When they're out, it's "you need to compromise" and "the loyal opposition/the resistance".

 

[fuchsia]

I should probably clarify my opinions on my last post. I'm for most deregulation ( not all ) I'm not qualified enough to talk about his healthcare proposal ( actually the house version ) I think his 1 page tax proposal is moronic ( I totally get that he is going to ask for more with the intention to settle in between which I respect ) I had a huge problem with the Comey firing.I think Spicer is over his head not personally but because Trump and insiders are such loose cannons. I freaking despise his tweets but I guess people love him for that too

My main thing is why give the far left ( way left of Jfan who is quite reasonable ) but why give the far left all this ammunition. Win the fucking middle for crying out loud.

There is zero doubt in my mind that any Russia shit won't get back to Trump personally but jesus WTF. There is such a chance to accomplish great things. Especially if you separate biz tax from personal and work out repatriation but also simplify personal tax code but make it revenue neutral. None of this typical bs of we will grow the economy to pay for the cuts. It's fucking such bs. but damn he has a chance to transform this country. I'm all for what he is doing with trade. Love his approach with china

MJ.....we can talk. I am on board with your entire last paragraph. Just get Trump out of office and some of those initiatives get done. Of course, traditional Republicans would still have to make deals with Tea Party Republicans (admittedly a challenge these days), but without Trump you get rid of the daily circus.

Someone should talk to him about resigning. Come up with a story that feeds his ego. Tell him he can resign and declare that he has successfully changed the landscape of politics. Convince him he is a champion and send him on his way. It wouldn't have been my choice, but I could roll with Pence.

P.S......can't believe you're a flip phone guy. Didn't see that one coming.

Had similar discussion with my son this morning. Honorable exit strategy for Trump is "I was innocent but in fact the Russians were able to infiltrate the election process and my campaign and transition. I hold my self accountable for not seeing the problem and do not want to serve as President when my own staff put our country in jeopardy.

Reason this probably will never happen is in part rooted in Roy Cohn's mentorship of young Mr. Trump.

In the course of my doctoral research I interviewed many patients suffering from mental illness and/or substance abuse disorders. I asked them when they first encountered and learned about these conditions and did they know people who had recovered or gotten stuck in their illnesses. I asked what people in the community thought about these illnesses. In virtually every interview the patient responded that they had learned about mental illness and substance abuse and community attitudes before they became ill; i.e. they had stigmatizing beliefs about the group they wound up in before they were in it.

Roy Cohn grew up in a deeply homophobic and anti-Semitic America, learning the stigmatizing attitudes towards those populations, and then grew up to discover himself to be a gay Jew. His advice to always attack and never stop fighting may work for someone who if they are ever at rest is confronted with their learned self-loathing, but it does not fit well with the President of the United States. Mr. Cohn's previous presidential mentee was Richard Milhous Nixon.

 

[logen]

I should probably clarify my opinions on my last post. I'm for most deregulation ( not all ) I'm not qualified enough to talk about his healthcare proposal ( actually the house version ) I think his 1 page tax proposal is moronic ( I totally get that he is going to ask for more with the intention to settle in between which I respect ) I had a huge problem with the Comey firing.I think Spicer is over his head not personally but because Trump and insiders are such loose cannons. I freaking despise his tweets but I guess people love him for that too

My main thing is why give the far left ( way left of Jfan who is quite reasonable ) but why give the far left all this ammunition. Win the fucking middle for crying out loud.

There is zero doubt in my mind that any Russia shit won't get back to Trump personally but jesus WTF. There is such a chance to accomplish great things. Especially if you separate biz tax from personal and work out repatriation but also simplify personal tax code but make it revenue neutral. None of this typical bs of we will grow the economy to pay for the cuts. It's fucking such bs. but damn he has a chance to transform this country. I'm all for what he is doing with trade. Love his approach with china

MJ.....we can talk. I am on board with your entire last paragraph. Just get Trump out of office and some of those initiatives get done. Of course, traditional Republicans would still have to make deals with Tea Party Republicans (admittedly a challenge these days), but without Trump you get rid of the daily circus.

Someone should talk to him about resigning. Come up with a story that feeds his ego. Tell him he can resign and declare that he has successfully changed the landscape of politics. Convince him he is a champion and send him on his way. It wouldn't have been my choice, but I could roll with Pence.

P.S......can't believe you're a flip phone guy. Didn't see that one coming.

Virtually NO ONE in Washington is interested in anything but maintaining the status quo; this perceived difference between the left and many Republicans does not exist. Call it Deep State, give it whatever name you want but our government is completely our of control. We reel it in or suffer the consequences. A couple of years ago, Trump would have not been in my top 10,000 of presidential candidates but in hindsight he is probably the only person who could have challenged and one against the ruling class that is slowly but surely transforming this country. All you have to do is see the ridiculous false narratives, mostly Russia, that dominates their message. ALL of Washington is afraid of Trump, not just the left. So we see a media and Democratic obsession with a fairy tale and now that they perceive the time to be right, pseudo Republicans like McCain and Graham are jumping on the Russia train. Meanwhile, the Clintons leave a trail of dead bodies in their wake, Obama and Hillary leave AMERICAN citizens in service of their country to die in Benghazi and then just blatantly lie about it, and the Obama administration spies on and then outs AMERICAN citizens to a degree that makes Watergate look like a candy store robbery and NO ONE CARES. No, let's all be good little lemmings and buy into this BS narrative being sold. Trump is not a politician and at times it most certainly shows, but should he leave office in any unnatural way, the ruling class has won and we will be all conned and lied to and manipulated until America is just another part of a "third world" globe completely dominated and controlled by an elite ruling class. Look no further than the EU because that is what America will look like so quick your head will spin.

I don't think your wrong when you say both sides have a stake in the status quo. The problem is that Trump is too flawed to be the disruptive force you are hoping for. Fortunately, he won't last long.

With all due respect, you are so wrong. So you expect change to come from the very people who lose the most from change? There is not a "both sides" in Washington, that is the problem. You buy all the crap the media sell you about Trump and think he is the problem; you have swallowed whole exactly what the "Deep State" want you to swallow not realizing THEY are the enemy, not Trump. You are perfectly content ignoring and not questioning real events and buy into this completely false narrative. That to me is the real problem here, good thinking people who are being completely conned. Look at who owns and controls the message coming from the NYT, Washington Post, CNN, the major networks, etc. Globalists all who have a very real long term stake in turning America into essentially a third world economy dependent on the handouts from government. Trump is not remotely the problem, the CON is, open your eyes and stop trusting people who don't give a damn about anything but THEIR POWER and THEIR $$$. Decades of evidence exists as to their elitism and dishonesty, all you have to do is look for it..

 

[fun]

if you do not fit their ideology, we couldn't care less how much democratic institutions are undermined because it is about them...

That's certainly true: they care about nothing but power and don't care whose rights they have to trample to attain it. I meant only that this is not an attack on the presidency; it's an attack on the legitimacy of this particular president. They turned a blind eye to Obama's abuses and had Hillary been elected and fired Comey on day one they'd have give her an award and when the next democrat wins the white house they'll be back in love with the imperial executive.

Meanwhile, Republicans control both houses of congress, the white house, 30 governorships, and both chambers in 30 plus state legislatures. And the question asked isn't why do the majority of democratic referendums reflect the fact that the people who are to be governed think that liberal policies are bonkers. They know they're right, so the question becomes a declarative statement, you see it right here in this thread: well i guess maybe you guys might have some reasonable ideas that we on the left might be happy to consider if you'd just agree to the removal of the president. The absence of self awareness is mind boggling.

Funny thing about the left... When they're running things, it's "I won" and "party of No". When they're out, it's "you need to compromise" and "the loyal opposition/the resistance".

Yes but we're old enough to remember when "elections have consequences."

 

[fun]

Reason this probably will never happen is in part rooted in Roy Cohn's mentorship of young Mr. Trump.

Another reason it probably won't happen is because presidents don't resign because the people who voted for the other candidate don't like him.

In the course of my doctoral research I interviewed many patients suffering from mental illness and/or substance abuse disorders. I asked them when they first encountered and learned about these conditions and did they know people who had recovered or gotten stuck in their illnesses. I asked what people in the community thought about these illnesses. In virtually every interview the patient responded that they had learned about mental illness and substance abuse and community attitudes before they became ill; i.e. they had stigmatizing beliefs about the group they wound up in before they were in it.

Roy Cohn grew up in a deeply homophobic and anti-Semitic America, learning the stigmatizing attitudes towards those populations, and then grew up to discover himself to be a gay Jew. His advice to always attack and never stop fighting may work for someone who if they are ever at rest is confronted with their learned self-loathing, but it does not fit well with the President of the United States. Mr. Cohn's previous presidential mentee was Richard Milhous Nixon.

Let me see if I follow. Roy Cohn, a gay man uncomfortable with his sexuality, mentored Donald Trump, therefore Donald Trump is mentally ill. That's quite fanciful. Is your doctorate in creative writing?

 

[JohnnyFan]

I should probably clarify my opinions on my last post. I'm for most deregulation ( not all ) I'm not qualified enough to talk about his healthcare proposal ( actually the house version ) I think his 1 page tax proposal is moronic ( I totally get that he is going to ask for more with the intention to settle in between which I respect ) I had a huge problem with the Comey firing.I think Spicer is over his head not personally but because Trump and insiders are such loose cannons. I freaking despise his tweets but I guess people love him for that too

My main thing is why give the far left ( way left of Jfan who is quite reasonable ) but why give the far left all this ammunition. Win the fucking middle for crying out loud.

There is zero doubt in my mind that any Russia shit won't get back to Trump personally but jesus WTF. There is such a chance to accomplish great things. Especially if you separate biz tax from personal and work out repatriation but also simplify personal tax code but make it revenue neutral. None of this typical bs of we will grow the economy to pay for the cuts. It's fucking such bs. but damn he has a chance to transform this country. I'm all for what he is doing with trade. Love his approach with china

MJ.....we can talk. I am on board with your entire last paragraph. Just get Trump out of office and some of those initiatives get done. Of course, traditional Republicans would still have to make deals with Tea Party Republicans (admittedly a challenge these days), but without Trump you get rid of the daily circus.

Someone should talk to him about resigning. Come up with a story that feeds his ego. Tell him he can resign and declare that he has successfully changed the landscape of politics. Convince him he is a champion and send him on his way. It wouldn't have been my choice, but I could roll with Pence.

P.S......can't believe you're a flip phone guy. Didn't see that one coming.

Virtually NO ONE in Washington is interested in anything but maintaining the status quo; this perceived difference between the left and many Republicans does not exist. Call it Deep State, give it whatever name you want but our government is completely our of control. We reel it in or suffer the consequences. A couple of years ago, Trump would have not been in my top 10,000 of presidential candidates but in hindsight he is probably the only person who could have challenged and one against the ruling class that is slowly but surely transforming this country. All you have to do is see the ridiculous false narratives, mostly Russia, that dominates their message. ALL of Washington is afraid of Trump, not just the left. So we see a media and Democratic obsession with a fairy tale and now that they perceive the time to be right, pseudo Republicans like McCain and Graham are jumping on the Russia train. Meanwhile, the Clintons leave a trail of dead bodies in their wake, Obama and Hillary leave AMERICAN citizens in service of their country to die in Benghazi and then just blatantly lie about it, and the Obama administration spies on and then outs AMERICAN citizens to a degree that makes Watergate look like a candy store robbery and NO ONE CARES. No, let's all be good little lemmings and buy into this BS narrative being sold. Trump is not a politician and at times it most certainly shows, but should he leave office in any unnatural way, the ruling class has won and we will be all conned and lied to and manipulated until America is just another part of a "third world" globe completely dominated and controlled by an elite ruling class. Look no further than the EU because that is what America will look like so quick your head will spin.

I don't think your wrong when you say both sides have a stake in the status quo. The problem is that Trump is too flawed to be the disruptive force you are hoping for. Fortunately, he won't last long.

With all due respect, you are so wrong. So you expect change to come from the very people who lose the most from change? There is not a "both sides" in Washington, that is the problem. You buy all the crap the media sell you about Trump and think he is the problem; you have swallowed whole exactly what the "Deep State" want you to swallow not realizing THEY are the enemy, not Trump. You are perfectly content ignoring and not questioning real events and buy into this completely false narrative. That to me is the real problem here, good thinking people who are being completely conned. Look at who owns and controls the message coming from the NYT, Washington Post, CNN, the major networks, etc. Globalists all who have a very real long term stake in turning America into essentially a third world economy dependent on the handouts from government. Trump is not remotely the problem, the CON is, open your eyes and stop trusting people who don't give a damn about anything but THEIR POWER and THEIR $$$. Decades of evidence exists as to their elitism and dishonesty, all you have to do is look for it..

Well, I appreciate the "due respect", however your insinuation that I am not aware of political agengas and media bias is mildly offensive.

I understand change won't come from those who benefit from the status quo. However, it also won't come from someone with multiple personality disorders. Just my opinion, I do not think your guy is going to make a full term.

 

[Too_Funny]

Reason this probably will never happen is in part rooted in Roy Cohn's mentorship of young Mr. Trump.

Another reason it probably won't happen is because presidents don't resign because the people who voted for the other candidate don't like him.

In the course of my doctoral research I interviewed many patients suffering from mental illness and/or substance abuse disorders. I asked them when they first encountered and learned about these conditions and did they know people who had recovered or gotten stuck in their illnesses. I asked what people in the community thought about these illnesses. In virtually every interview the patient responded that they had learned about mental illness and substance abuse and community attitudes before they became ill; i.e. they had stigmatizing beliefs about the group they wound up in before they were in it.

Roy Cohn grew up in a deeply homophobic and anti-Semitic America, learning the stigmatizing attitudes towards those populations, and then grew up to discover himself to be a gay Jew. His advice to always attack and never stop fighting may work for someone who if they are ever at rest is confronted with their learned self-loathing, but it does not fit well with the President of the United States. Mr. Cohn's previous presidential mentee was Richard Milhous Nixon.

Let me see if I follow. Roy Cohn, a gay man uncomfortable with his sexuality, mentored Donald Trump, therefore Donald Trump is mentally ill. That's quite fanciful. Is your doctorate in creative writing?

Hilarious ...

MJ, I also agree that there is much to be deregulated (industrial, energy, environment, social etc). The fact of the matter is, and this ties up with the argument about mainstream politicians (democrats and republicans alike) is that they benefit handsomely from regulatory capture that advances the aims of special interests groups. In terms of tax policy, I think Trump and his staff have it spot on. If you want to have a comparative analysis, look at the numbers from Reagan's years. In terms of protectionism vs free trade, he also has it spot on ... and much of the rampant increasing inequality in the US is attributable to Obama. In terms of his Chief Justice appointment, I feel it is a remarkable choice. In terms of foreign policy, I am not really seeing a major difference except towards Iran and Russia. In terms of healthcare, I think more work needs to be done but clearly as the congress committee on budget oversight derived, Obamacare failed. In terms of immigration policy, he also has it spot on ... migration to the US as much as it polemicized is not an entitlement or right and is a privilege, and temporary needs to set up systems for national security seem reasonable to me. So am not sure which policies he has pursued that warrant invalidation at the least, and outright impeachment at the worst?

 

[JohnnyFan]

if you do not fit their ideology, we couldn't care less how much democratic institutions are undermined because it is about them...

That's certainly true: they care about nothing but power and don't care whose rights they have to trample to attain it. I meant only that this is not an attack on the presidency; it's an attack on the legitimacy of this particular president. They turned a blind eye to Obama's abuses and had Hillary been elected and fired Comey on day one they'd have give her an award and when the next democrat wins the white house they'll be back in love with the imperial executive.

Meanwhile, Republicans control both houses of congress, the white house, 30 governorships, and both chambers in 30 plus state legislatures. And the question asked isn't why do the majority of democratic referendums reflect the fact that the people who are to be governed think that liberal policies are bonkers. They know they're right, so the question becomes a declarative statement, you see it right here in this thread: well i guess maybe you guys might have some reasonable ideas that we on the left might be happy to consider if you'd just agree to the removal of the president. The absence of self awareness is mind boggling.

Funny thing about the left... When they're running things, it's "I won" and "party of No". When they're out, it's "you need to compromise" and "the loyal opposition/the resistance".

Correct. However, have you not noticed the right wanting it both ways as well? Come on, they're all politicians.

 

[JohnnyFan]

I should probably clarify my opinions on my last post. I'm for most deregulation ( not all ) I'm not qualified enough to talk about his healthcare proposal ( actually the house version ) I think his 1 page tax proposal is moronic ( I totally get that he is going to ask for more with the intention to settle in between which I respect ) I had a huge problem with the Comey firing.I think Spicer is over his head not personally but because Trump and insiders are such loose cannons. I freaking despise his tweets but I guess people love him for that too

My main thing is why give the far left ( way left of Jfan who is quite reasonable ) but why give the far left all this ammunition. Win the fucking middle for crying out loud.

There is zero doubt in my mind that any Russia shit won't get back to Trump personally but jesus WTF. There is such a chance to accomplish great things. Especially if you separate biz tax from personal and work out repatriation but also simplify personal tax code but make it revenue neutral. None of this typical bs of we will grow the economy to pay for the cuts. It's fucking such bs. but damn he has a chance to transform this country. I'm all for what he is doing with trade. Love his approach with china

MJ.....we can talk. I am on board with your entire last paragraph. Just get Trump out of office and some of those initiatives get done. Of course, traditional Republicans would still have to make deals with Tea Party Republicans (admittedly a challenge these days), but without Trump you get rid of the daily circus.

Someone should talk to him about resigning. Come up with a story that feeds his ego. Tell him he can resign and declare that he has successfully changed the landscape of politics. Convince him he is a champion and send him on his way. It wouldn't have been my choice, but I could roll with Pence.

P.S......can't believe you're a flip phone guy. Didn't see that one coming.

Virtually NO ONE in Washington is interested in anything but maintaining the status quo; this perceived difference between the left and many Republicans does not exist. Call it Deep State, give it whatever name you want but our government is completely our of control. We reel it in or suffer the consequences. A couple of years ago, Trump would have not been in my top 10,000 of presidential candidates but in hindsight he is probably the only person who could have challenged and one against the ruling class that is slowly but surely transforming this country. All you have to do is see the ridiculous false narratives, mostly Russia, that dominates their message. ALL of Washington is afraid of Trump, not just the left. So we see a media and Democratic obsession with a fairy tale and now that they perceive the time to be right, pseudo Republicans like McCain and Graham are jumping on the Russia train. Meanwhile, the Clintons leave a trail of dead bodies in their wake, Obama and Hillary leave AMERICAN citizens in service of their country to die in Benghazi and then just blatantly lie about it, and the Obama administration spies on and then outs AMERICAN citizens to a degree that makes Watergate look like a candy store robbery and NO ONE CARES. No, let's all be good little lemmings and buy into this BS narrative being sold. Trump is not a politician and at times it most certainly shows, but should he leave office in any unnatural way, the ruling class has won and we will be all conned and lied to and manipulated until America is just another part of a "third world" globe completely dominated and controlled by an elite ruling class. Look no further than the EU because that is what America will look like so quick your head will spin.

I don't think your wrong when you say both sides have a stake in the status quo. The problem is that Trump is too flawed to be the disruptive force you are hoping for. Fortunately, he won't last long.

With all due respect, you are so wrong. So you expect change to come from the very people who lose the most from change? There is not a "both sides" in Washington, that is the problem. You buy all the crap the media sell you about Trump and think he is the problem; you have swallowed whole exactly what the "Deep State" want you to swallow not realizing THEY are the enemy, not Trump. You are perfectly content ignoring and not questioning real events and buy into this completely false narrative. That to me is the real problem here, good thinking people who are being completely conned. Look at who owns and controls the message coming from the NYT, Washington Post, CNN, the major networks, etc. Globalists all who have a very real long term stake in turning America into essentially a third world economy dependent on the handouts from government. Trump is not remotely the problem, the CON is, open your eyes and stop trusting people who don't give a damn about anything but THEIR POWER and THEIR $$$. Decades of evidence exists as to their elitism and dishonesty, all you have to do is look for it..

Well, I appreciate the "due respect", however your insinuation that I am not aware of political agengas and media bias is mildly offensive.

I understand change won't come from those who benefit from the status quo. However, it also won't come from someone with multiple personality disorders. Just my opinion, but I do not think your guy is going to make a full term.

 

[Spocky Ramone]

if you do not fit their ideology, we couldn't care less how much democratic institutions are undermined because it is about them...

That's certainly true: they care about nothing but power and don't care whose rights they have to trample to attain it. I meant only that this is not an attack on the presidency; it's an attack on the legitimacy of this particular president. They turned a blind eye to Obama's abuses and had Hillary been elected and fired Comey on day one they'd have give her an award and when the next democrat wins the white house they'll be back in love with the imperial executive.

Meanwhile, Republicans control both houses of congress, the white house, 30 governorships, and both chambers in 30 plus state legislatures. And the question asked isn't why do the majority of democratic referendums reflect the fact that the people who are to be governed think that liberal policies are bonkers. They know they're right, so the question becomes a declarative statement, you see it right here in this thread: well i guess maybe you guys might have some reasonable ideas that we on the left might be happy to consider if you'd just agree to the removal of the president. The absence of self awareness is mind boggling.

Funny thing about the left... When they're running things, it's "I won" and "party of No". When they're out, it's "you need to compromise" and "the loyal opposition/the resistance".

Correct. However, have you not noticed the right wanting it both ways as well? Come on, they're all politicians.

They're all politicians? You betcha! However, I have not observed Republicans acting like this. Instead, I have noticed they have a propensity for ankle-grabbing.

 

[mjmaherjr]

Trump does huge arms deal on the Saudi part of the trip. Will be good for US companies. Kushner even called the CEO of Lockheed to get better price on some things.

Does he speak today ? He has that douche Miller writing the speech for today or tomorrow ( I cant like any Duke Grad unless they are also a SJU fan ) but I think this speech will be a pivot. It's going to be interesting

 

[beast of the east]

The great thing about watching a news outlet that espouses only opinions you agree with is that it makes their viewers happy.

How is Trump doing in the Middle East? Just tune in to CBS or NBC or ABC and it will validate everything you hate about Trump. Tune in to Fox, and you might actually believe he can make inroads. Which should you watch? Depends what you want to hear.

 

[panther2]

Trump does huge arms deal on the Saudi part of the trip. Will be good for US companies. Kushner even called the CEO of Lockheed to get better price on some things.

Does he speak today ? He has that douche Miller writing the speech for today or tomorrow ( I cant like any Duke Grad unless they are also a SJU fan ) but I think this speech will be a pivot. It's going to be interesting

Please don't forget that he also got a $100 million donation to his wife's Charity !!!!

 

[beast of the east]

Trump does huge arms deal on the Saudi part of the trip. Will be good for US companies. Kushner even called the CEO of Lockheed to get better price on some things.

Does he speak today ? He has that douche Miller writing the speech for today or tomorrow ( I cant like any Duke Grad unless they are also a SJU fan ) but I think this speech will be a pivot. It's going to be interesting

Please don't forget that he also got a $100 million donation to his wife's Charity !!!!

Can you provide a reference please? I must have missed that in the news.

I can't possibly see how the left could comment on something like this considering that Hillary Clinton did favors as SOS to those who donated to the Clinton foundation, and that the Clinton foundation doled out tens of millions in contracts for relief work in Haiti to their foundation contributors.