Nov 8, 2016 - The lesser of two evils?

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Perfect example is today.Betsy DeVos tried entering a public school. Protestors wouldn't let her. If you were so actually interested in the kids well being and think Betsy isn't suitable don't you think you would let her into the school or even encourage it to see the other side ?

Focking disgrace

The Betsy Devos appointment is a joke. Another example of appointing an individual to head a department that he/she wants to dismantle. Why doesn't he cut to the chase and sign an executive order to dismantle it?

In any event, I agree with you. At this point the most productive approach is to let her into schools and take your best shot at educating her (pun intended) on public education. By the way, I support school choice as long as non-public options are regulated and measured in the same way public school are (too much to ask?).

The good news is that I pulled up the video of Devos trying to enter the school. It looked like a very small group of moron protesters who didn't work at the school.



Yes, and the thousands who blocked roads leading to trump rallies were morons, as were those who burned and looted in ferguson and Baltimore, as were those congrressmen who boycotted the inauguration, as were the students at Brown who shouted Ray Kelly off the stage before he could speak, and....
 
this country willl never repair itself unless us in the middle drown out the fringe
 
You say us like there's another moderate poster on this thread besides you, and you're kind of questionable. I don't think so, and that includes me of course.
 
Flynn out. With all this stuff coming out lately he needed to go before this really spiraled out of control
 
This story is in continuation of the complexity that is terror, immigration, vetting as related to a monolith narrative of muslims being painted for ideological reasons.

My mother in law suddenly passed away last friday. Her recently started chemo went horribly wrong, and she succumbed within 48 hours. I flew back with my wife and kids immediately to my country of origin, arriving here early sunday morning, and in time to attend the funeral.

On Monday, while still extremely jet lagged bur attending to some important chores, My wife and i heard about a peaceful protest with equally professional police in front of a government building. But later that night to find out that a third party with no relation to the protestors or any of the police force there, wreaked havoc.

While 99% of those people in this situation can be described as good citizens and sound civil servants of a particular religion, what would i as an external observer think? And this situation is not unique to my country of origin.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1314549/bomb-explodes-on-lahores-mall-road-during-protest

Anyhow, am not trying to belabour the point but just to accentuate that immigration is not a simple straightforward narrative of generosity pit against extreme opposition to it.
 
This story is in continuation of the complexity that is terror, immigration, vetting as related to a monolith narrative of muslims being painted for ideological reasons.

My mother in law suddenly passed away last friday. Her recently started chemo went horribly wrong, and she succumbed within 48 hours. I flew back with my wife and kids immediately to my country of origin, arriving here early sunday morning, and in time to attend the funeral.

On Monday, while still extremely jet lagged bur attending to some important chores, My wife and i heard about a peaceful protest with equally professional police in front of a government building. But later that night to find out that a third party with no relation to the protestors or any of the police force there, wreaked havoc.

While 99% of those people in this situation can be described as good citizens and sound civil servants of a particular religion, what would i as an external observer think? And this situation is not unique to my country of origin.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1314549/bomb-explodes-on-lahores-mall-road-during-protest

Anyhow, am not trying to belabour the point but just to accentuate that immigration is not a simple straightforward narrative of generosity pit against extreme opposition to it.
your from pakistan ? any good restaurants in nyc for real ethnic food ?
 
This story is in continuation of the complexity that is terror, immigration, vetting as related to a monolith narrative of muslims being painted for ideological reasons.

My mother in law suddenly passed away last friday. Her recently started chemo went horribly wrong, and she succumbed within 48 hours. I flew back with my wife and kids immediately to my country of origin, arriving here early sunday morning, and in time to attend the funeral.

On Monday, while still extremely jet lagged bur attending to some important chores, My wife and i heard about a peaceful protest with equally professional police in front of a government building. But later that night to find out that a third party with no relation to the protestors or any of the police force there, wreaked havoc.

While 99% of those people in this situation can be described as good citizens and sound civil servants of a particular religion, what would i as an external observer think? And this situation is not unique to my country of origin.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1314549/bomb-explodes-on-lahores-mall-road-during-protest

Anyhow, am not trying to belabour the point but just to accentuate that immigration is not a simple straightforward narrative of generosity pit against extreme opposition to it.

Sorry for your family's loss. Against a reckless devastating pathology, we pin our hopes on some very toxic agents which at times are more painful.than the disease they combat. Stll they offer hope, and when they fail ao early, or actually causes demise, it can co.pound the loss of life. Sincere sympathy.

You identified an important aspect of the conflict between differing opinions on some very profound human difficulties - those who wish to polarize groups by invecting violence to disrupt any chance of meaningful dialogue.

The avoidance of dialogue can be done by violent means or by simply shouting or shutting down opposition voices, which is occurring daily on u.s. college campuses
 
This story is in continuation of the complexity that is terror, immigration, vetting as related to a monolith narrative of muslims being painted for ideological reasons.

My mother in law suddenly passed away last friday. Her recently started chemo went horribly wrong, and she succumbed within 48 hours. I flew back with my wife and kids immediately to my country of origin, arriving here early sunday morning, and in time to attend the funeral.

On Monday, while still extremely jet lagged bur attending to some important chores, My wife and i heard about a peaceful protest with equally professional police in front of a government building. But later that night to find out that a third party with no relation to the protestors or any of the police force there, wreaked havoc.

While 99% of those people in this situation can be described as good citizens and sound civil servants of a particular religion, what would i as an external observer think? And this situation is not unique to my country of origin.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1314549/bomb-explodes-on-lahores-mall-road-during-protest

Anyhow, am not trying to belabour the point but just to accentuate that immigration is not a simple straightforward narrative of generosity pit against extreme opposition to it.
your from pakistan ? any good restaurants in nyc for real ethnic food ?

One of the best one, a taxi driver frequented joint, called Haandi. On lex between 27 and 28 sts. Very much a hole in the wall but genuine, amazing and inexpensive (unlike the upscale ones largely taking the piss - as the Brits say).
 
This story is in continuation of the complexity that is terror, immigration, vetting as related to a monolith narrative of muslims being painted for ideological reasons.

My mother in law suddenly passed away last friday. Her recently started chemo went horribly wrong, and she succumbed within 48 hours. I flew back with my wife and kids immediately to my country of origin, arriving here early sunday morning, and in time to attend the funeral.

On Monday, while still extremely jet lagged bur attending to some important chores, My wife and i heard about a peaceful protest with equally professional police in front of a government building. But later that night to find out that a third party with no relation to the protestors or any of the police force there, wreaked havoc.

While 99% of those people in this situation can be described as good citizens and sound civil servants of a particular religion, what would i as an external observer think? And this situation is not unique to my country of origin.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1314549/bomb-explodes-on-lahores-mall-road-during-protest

Anyhow, am not trying to belabour the point but just to accentuate that immigration is not a simple straightforward narrative of generosity pit against extreme opposition to it.

Sorry for your family's loss. Against a reckless devastating pathology, we pin our hopes on some very toxic agents which at times are more painful.than the disease they combat. Stll they offer hope, and when they fail ao early, or actually causes demise, it can co.pound the loss of life. Sincere sympathy.

You identified an important aspect of the conflict between differing opinions on some very profound human difficulties - those who wish to polarize groups by invecting violence to disrupt any chance of meaningful dialogue.

The avoidance of dialogue can be done by violent means or by simply shouting or shutting down opposition voices, which is occurring daily on u.s. college campuses

Absolutely correct. Extremism (and again i sometimes loath to use such words) is sometimes more disguised and definitely more prevalent than any time in my lifetime. Im 50. I lived in NYC since 1976 post Carter victory and aside from living in other countries from 1994-2007 for work, Ive lived here. Im sorry to say the predominant left/liberal debate is a set of talking points, that stiffle, kill and silence debate. The radical elements here, at the expense of sounding facetious, are no different.
 
Flynn out. With all this stuff coming out lately he needed to go before this really spiraled out of control

Probably a good move, as you suggest. Lets see what more comes out, e.g., the legality, if found, of eavesdropping on DJT's team by a certain govt department, and then its leaked.
 
This story is in continuation of the complexity that is terror, immigration, vetting as related to a monolith narrative of muslims being painted for ideological reasons.

My mother in law suddenly passed away last friday. Her recently started chemo went horribly wrong, and she succumbed within 48 hours. I flew back with my wife and kids immediately to my country of origin, arriving here early sunday morning, and in time to attend the funeral.

On Monday, while still extremely jet lagged bur attending to some important chores, My wife and i heard about a peaceful protest with equally professional police in front of a government building. But later that night to find out that a third party with no relation to the protestors or any of the police force there, wreaked havoc.

While 99% of those people in this situation can be described as good citizens and sound civil servants of a particular religion, what would i as an external observer think? And this situation is not unique to my country of origin.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1314549/bomb-explodes-on-lahores-mall-road-during-protest

Anyhow, am not trying to belabour the point but just to accentuate that immigration is not a simple straightforward narrative of generosity pit against extreme opposition to it.
your from pakistan ? any good restaurants in nyc for real ethnic food ?

One of the best one, a taxi driver frequented joint, called Haandi. On lex between 27 and 28 sts. Very much a hole in the wall but genuine, amazing and inexpensive (unlike the upscale ones largely taking the piss - as the Brits say).
perfect. we love hole in the walls with great food. Sorry for your loss
 
This story is in continuation of the complexity that is terror, immigration, vetting as related to a monolith narrative of muslims being painted for ideological reasons.

My mother in law suddenly passed away last friday. Her recently started chemo went horribly wrong, and she succumbed within 48 hours. I flew back with my wife and kids immediately to my country of origin, arriving here early sunday morning, and in time to attend the funeral.

On Monday, while still extremely jet lagged bur attending to some important chores, My wife and i heard about a peaceful protest with equally professional police in front of a government building. But later that night to find out that a third party with no relation to the protestors or any of the police force there, wreaked havoc.

While 99% of those people in this situation can be described as good citizens and sound civil servants of a particular religion, what would i as an external observer think? And this situation is not unique to my country of origin.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1314549/bomb-explodes-on-lahores-mall-road-during-protest

Anyhow, am not trying to belabour the point but just to accentuate that immigration is not a simple straightforward narrative of generosity pit against extreme opposition to it.

Sorry for your family's loss. Against a reckless devastating pathology, we pin our hopes on some very toxic agents which at times are more painful.than the disease they combat. Stll they offer hope, and when they fail ao early, or actually causes demise, it can co.pound the loss of life. Sincere sympathy.

You identified an important aspect of the conflict between differing opinions on some very profound human difficulties - those who wish to polarize groups by invecting violence to disrupt any chance of meaningful dialogue.

The avoidance of dialogue can be done by violent means or by simply shouting or shutting down opposition voices, which is occurring daily on u.s. college campuses

Absolutely correct. Extremism (and again i sometimes loath to use such words) is sometimes more disguised and definitely more prevalent than any time in my lifetime. Im 50. I lived in NYC since 1976 post Carter victory and aside from living in other countries from 1994-2007 for work, Ive lived here. Im sorry to say the predominant left/liberal debate is a set of talking points, that stiffle, kill and silence debate. The radical elements here, at the expense of sounding facetious, are no different.

There no longer appears to be productive dialogue between the parties whatsoever. In part this is why the general public has no use for either party and that paved the way for a Trump win. Party operatives decide what position to take on a bill, and then make sure every single member of their part votes for it. Democrats in particular will expel any member who breaks from party ranks on key issues, which is what was done to Joe Lieberman for supporting the war in Iraq. Battles are waged not in Congress but in sound bites to the media, which then shape the news any way they'd like to support objectives that are often liberal. This is why without the support of CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, CNBC, and CNN, Trump was able to overcome this because much of the public saw through this radical bias. Something like 94% of news reported about Trump pre-election was negative, and post election have amped this up to 100%.

Take a single, important issue - vetting of immigrants from countries that have produced most radical terrorists:

1) Most people would agree that we don't want to restrict good and decent people from coming here form the countries affected.
2) Most people would agree that people coming from those countries must be vetted for ties to extremist groups, cells, or individuals
3) Most people would agree that we do not want people coming here who cannot be properly identified.
4) Most people would agree that the US should provide humanitarian assistance to those in nations besieged by ethnic and religious cleansing, and where groups like ISIS have seized control.

Yet, by sound bites, you would think that one side is markedly anti-Muslim, despite the fact that Christians are being raped and murdered in some of these countries and are among the most afflicted, and those groups are subject to the ban. You would think this is a worldwide Muslim ban, when those countries only represent 8% of the worldwide population of Muslims that are not affected by the ban. You would think the other side wants completely open borders, and that it has draped itself in Lady Liberty garb welcoming everyone here legally or not. You would think that one side wants every Latino who crosses the border illegally to remain here.

These are somewhat complex issues, yet our legislators have been polarized into dysfunction by party politics. Trump really isn't a Republican - he is a product of a dysfunctional system that Americans are fed up with.
 
This story is in continuation of the complexity that is terror, immigration, vetting as related to a monolith narrative of muslims being painted for ideological reasons.

My mother in law suddenly passed away last friday. Her recently started chemo went horribly wrong, and she succumbed within 48 hours. I flew back with my wife and kids immediately to my country of origin, arriving here early sunday morning, and in time to attend the funeral.

On Monday, while still extremely jet lagged bur attending to some important chores, My wife and i heard about a peaceful protest with equally professional police in front of a government building. But later that night to find out that a third party with no relation to the protestors or any of the police force there, wreaked havoc.

While 99% of those people in this situation can be described as good citizens and sound civil servants of a particular religion, what would i as an external observer think? And this situation is not unique to my country of origin.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1314549/bomb-explodes-on-lahores-mall-road-during-protest

Anyhow, am not trying to belabour the point but just to accentuate that immigration is not a simple straightforward narrative of generosity pit against extreme opposition to it.

Sorry for your family's loss. Against a reckless devastating pathology, we pin our hopes on some very toxic agents which at times are more painful.than the disease they combat. Stll they offer hope, and when they fail ao early, or actually causes demise, it can co.pound the loss of life. Sincere sympathy.

You identified an important aspect of the conflict between differing opinions on some very profound human difficulties - those who wish to polarize groups by invecting violence to disrupt any chance of meaningful dialogue.

The avoidance of dialogue can be done by violent means or by simply shouting or shutting down opposition voices, which is occurring daily on u.s. college campuses

Absolutely correct. Extremism (and again i sometimes loath to use such words) is sometimes more disguised and definitely more prevalent than any time in my lifetime. Im 50. I lived in NYC since 1976 post Carter victory and aside from living in other countries from 1994-2007 for work, Ive lived here. Im sorry to say the predominant left/liberal debate is a set of talking points, that stiffle, kill and silence debate. The radical elements here, at the expense of sounding facetious, are no different.

There no longer appears to be productive dialogue between the parties whatsoever. In part this is why the general public has no use for either party and that paved the way for a Trump win. Party operatives decide what position to take on a bill, and then make sure every single member of their part votes for it. Democrats in particular will expel any member who breaks from party ranks on key issues, which is what was done to Joe Lieberman for supporting the war in Iraq. Battles are waged not in Congress but in sound bites to the media, which then shape the news any way they'd like to support objectives that are often liberal. This is why without the support of CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, CNBC, and CNN, Trump was able to overcome this because much of the public saw through this radical bias. Something like 94% of news reported about Trump pre-election was negative, and post election have amped this up to 100%.

Take a single, important issue - vetting of immigrants from countries that have produced most radical terrorists:

1) Most people would agree that we don't want to restrict good and decent people from coming here form the countries affected.
2) Most people would agree that people coming from those countries must be vetted for ties to extremist groups, cells, or individuals
3) Most people would agree that we do not want people coming here who cannot be properly identified.
4) Most people would agree that the US should provide humanitarian assistance to those in nations besieged by ethnic and religious cleansing, and where groups like ISIS have seized control.

Yet, by sound bites, you would think that one side is markedly anti-Muslim, despite the fact that Christians are being raped and murdered in some of these countries and are among the most afflicted, and those groups are subject to the ban. You would think this is a worldwide Muslim ban, when those countries only represent 8% of the worldwide population of Muslims that are not affected by the ban. You would think the other side wants completely open borders, and that it has draped itself in Lady Liberty garb welcoming everyone here legally or not. You would think that one side wants every Latino who crosses the border illegally to remain here.

These are somewhat complex issues, yet our legislators have been polarized into dysfunction by party politics. Trump really isn't a Republican - he is a product of a dysfunctional system that Americans are fed up with.

You are right that in "democratic" societies, the weapon of control cannot be the bludgeoning club (as under Hitler or Stalin), it is the institution of media, and it serves the singular objectives of its owners for the sake of pure power. And this form of control/power is so subtle and all encompassing that one doesnt even notice the indoctrination creep. Thats my thoughts on why the real policy debate has almost for all practical purposes ended.

From a policy point of view, this has nothing to do with a Muslim ban. Witness radicalism in Libya (Benghazi, and for now lets ignore who created the conditions for it), Syria, Iraq, Iran (it too exports terror), Yemen (again lets ignore drone strikes), Somalia and Sudan. Theres a strong argument for Saudis and Pakistan (in Pakistan however theres has been strong US support for capacity and systems upgrading since 9/11 for vetting. If theres radicalization it happens post immigration). 5 of the 7 countries were bombed by previous admin, and all 7 were on their list with heavily curbed visa. Although the intelligentsia will rewrite history. Nevertheless the mess created breeds radicalization, and honestly a huge ask for the Prez.

What bothers me the most and not to discount the liberties taken away or ferocious homily of the totalitarian intellectuals, is the simultaneous decimation of the values of common man. By that I mean the [hu]man who is indifferent to the temptation of power and who, in order to live with himself, feels no need to exercise violent rule over his kind. For them values are the ability to feel love, or friendship, or joy of living, or laughter, or curiosity, or courage, or integrity, things usually lacking in the powerful. These are values of common human decency, that is, the everyday practice of mutual aid and generosity. This decency spans race, religion, ethnicity, status and so on but has been divided and overcome.
 
Flynn out. With all this stuff coming out lately he needed to go before this really spiraled out of control


It is already spiraling out of control. Also, do you actually believe that Flynn did not keep Trump informed of the discussions he was having with the Russians regarding sanctions?
 
Take a single, important issue - vetting of immigrants from countries that have produced most radical terrorists:

1) Most people would agree that we don't want to restrict good and decent people from coming here form the countries affected.
2) Most people would agree that people coming from those countries must be vetted for ties to extremist groups, cells, or individuals
3) Most people would agree that we do not want people coming here who cannot be properly identified.
4) Most people would agree that the US should provide humanitarian assistance to those in nations besieged by ethnic and religious cleansing, and where groups like ISIS have seized control ... You would think that one side wants every Latino who crosses the border illegally to remain here.

I do have a couple of puzzling question with regard to my abridging your longer quote above. Let me start with the 9th circuit court of appeals opinion on the executive order on temp travel ban "that even those unlawfully present in the country have certain due process rights with respect to immigration. The Court cites Zadvydas v. Davis, 533 U.S. 678, 695 (2001) for the proposition that even aliens who have committed and been convicted of certain crimes while in the U.S. unlawfully may have due process rights with respect to travel to or from the United States. In addition, the Court ventures curiously into its own role in reviewing a President's national security conclusions" (statement by Trey Gowdy). With regard to your last sentence (above), well this court is saying that about illegals, but isn't that a serious breach of interpretation of constitutional law? But I guess the Supreme Court will set them straight but they have achieved their immediate objective.

Second, with respect to national and sub-national security, and akin to vetting people coming from other countries with possible, potential and real criminal/terror backgrounds (Latino, Arab, Asian, etc.) that may accentuate security concerns, isn't that very similar to extensively vetting citizens (as a result of the Brady Act) prior to purchasing firearms (often called by the very people who are vehemently anti-gun and whose main objective is banning guns) because of exactly same security concerns? Seems like a double standard to me, but would be happy to learn that I am wrong.
 
Take a single, important issue - vetting of immigrants from countries that have produced most radical terrorists:

1) Most people would agree that we don't want to restrict good and decent people from coming here form the countries affected.
2) Most people would agree that people coming from those countries must be vetted for ties to extremist groups, cells, or individuals
3) Most people would agree that we do not want people coming here who cannot be properly identified.
4) Most people would agree that the US should provide humanitarian assistance to those in nations besieged by ethnic and religious cleansing, and where groups like ISIS have seized control ... You would think that one side wants every Latino who crosses the border illegally to remain here.

I do have a couple of puzzling question with regard to my abridging your longer quote above. Let me start with the 9th circuit court of appeals opinion on the executive order on temp travel ban "that even those unlawfully present in the country have certain due process rights with respect to immigration. The Court cites Zadvydas v. Davis, 533 U.S. 678, 695 (2001) for the proposition that even aliens who have committed and been convicted of certain crimes while in the U.S. unlawfully may have due process rights with respect to travel to or from the United States. In addition, the Court ventures curiously into its own role in reviewing a President's national security conclusions" (statement by Trey Gowdy). With regard to your last sentence (above), well this court is saying that about illegals, but isn't that a serious breach of interpretation of constitutional law? But I guess the Supreme Court will set them straight but they have achieved their immediate objective.

Second, with respect to national and sub-national security, and akin to vetting people coming from other countries with possible, potential and real criminal/terror backgrounds (Latino, Arab, Asian, etc.) that may accentuate security concerns, isn't that very similar to extensively vetting citizens (as a result of the Brady Act) prior to purchasing firearms (often called by the very people who are vehemently anti-gun and whose main objective is banning guns) because of exactly same security concerns? Seems like a double standard to me, but would be happy to learn that I am wrong.

Really busy today, but I saw a news item that certain groups are funding legal defense of those here illegally to enable due process, with the intention of completely jamming up the courts to prevent deportation and clog the legal system completely.
 
Take a single, important issue - vetting of immigrants from countries that have produced most radical terrorists:

1) Most people would agree that we don't want to restrict good and decent people from coming here form the countries affected.
2) Most people would agree that people coming from those countries must be vetted for ties to extremist groups, cells, or individuals
3) Most people would agree that we do not want people coming here who cannot be properly identified.
4) Most people would agree that the US should provide humanitarian assistance to those in nations besieged by ethnic and religious cleansing, and where groups like ISIS have seized control ... You would think that one side wants every Latino who crosses the border illegally to remain here.

I do have a couple of puzzling question with regard to my abridging your longer quote above. Let me start with the 9th circuit court of appeals opinion on the executive order on temp travel ban "that even those unlawfully present in the country have certain due process rights with respect to immigration. The Court cites Zadvydas v. Davis, 533 U.S. 678, 695 (2001) for the proposition that even aliens who have committed and been convicted of certain crimes while in the U.S. unlawfully may have due process rights with respect to travel to or from the United States. In addition, the Court ventures curiously into its own role in reviewing a President's national security conclusions" (statement by Trey Gowdy). With regard to your last sentence (above), well this court is saying that about illegals, but isn't that a serious breach of interpretation of constitutional law? But I guess the Supreme Court will set them straight but they have achieved their immediate objective.

Second, with respect to national and sub-national security, and akin to vetting people coming from other countries with possible, potential and real criminal/terror backgrounds (Latino, Arab, Asian, etc.) that may accentuate security concerns, isn't that very similar to extensively vetting citizens (as a result of the Brady Act) prior to purchasing firearms (often called by the very people who are vehemently anti-gun and whose main objective is banning guns) because of exactly same security concerns? Seems like a double standard to me, but would be happy to learn that I am wrong.

While there may be a small contingent who actually want to completely ban guns, it is not the majority's objective. Frankly, it is my opinion that this insinuation is a scare tactic used to preserve the fight against any/all regulation.
 
Take a single, important issue - vetting of immigrants from countries that have produced most radical terrorists:

1) Most people would agree that we don't want to restrict good and decent people from coming here form the countries affected.
2) Most people would agree that people coming from those countries must be vetted for ties to extremist groups, cells, or individuals
3) Most people would agree that we do not want people coming here who cannot be properly identified.
4) Most people would agree that the US should provide humanitarian assistance to those in nations besieged by ethnic and religious cleansing, and where groups like ISIS have seized control ... You would think that one side wants every Latino who crosses the border illegally to remain here.

I do have a couple of puzzling question with regard to my abridging your longer quote above. Let me start with the 9th circuit court of appeals opinion on the executive order on temp travel ban "that even those unlawfully present in the country have certain due process rights with respect to immigration. The Court cites Zadvydas v. Davis, 533 U.S. 678, 695 (2001) for the proposition that even aliens who have committed and been convicted of certain crimes while in the U.S. unlawfully may have due process rights with respect to travel to or from the United States. In addition, the Court ventures curiously into its own role in reviewing a President's national security conclusions" (statement by Trey Gowdy). With regard to your last sentence (above), well this court is saying that about illegals, but isn't that a serious breach of interpretation of constitutional law? But I guess the Supreme Court will set them straight but they have achieved their immediate objective.

Second, with respect to national and sub-national security, and akin to vetting people coming from other countries with possible, potential and real criminal/terror backgrounds (Latino, Arab, Asian, etc.) that may accentuate security concerns, isn't that very similar to extensively vetting citizens (as a result of the Brady Act) prior to purchasing firearms (often called by the very people who are vehemently anti-gun and whose main objective is banning guns) because of exactly same security concerns? Seems like a double standard to me, but would be happy to learn that I am wrong.

While there may be a small contingent who actually want to completely ban guns, it is not the majority's objective. Frankly, it is my opinion that this insinuation is a scare tactic used to preserve the fight against any/all regulation.

Heartened to hear you, as an extension of the Brady Act, support regulations of firearms. I believe in the rule of law. Overwhelming majority that I know or rather bar none that I know would like to impose a full ban. But I may exist in a bubble.
 
I'll say this. From the first time I saw this Stephen Miller guy on talk shows right after the whole immigration executive order I didnt like the guy. Couldn't really put a finger on it other than me thinking he looked arrogant in the interviews.

Now I find out why my intuition is so good. He went to DUKE
 
I'll say this. From the first time I saw this Stephen Miller guy on talk shows right after the whole immigration executive order I didnt like the guy. Couldn't really put a finger on it other than me thinking he looked arrogant in the interviews.

Now I find out why my intuition is so good. He went to DUKE

You think that's his worst quality? LOL
 
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