Next Coach?

[Sleek718]

"I think I remember King played against Willie Shaw in PSAL championship game. Correct? "--We Are SJU


year 2000 I think? Kennedy beat Lincoln that year and won another a few years later. Bronx hasn't been in the PSAL conversation much since those days, unless Wings Academy (Jessie Govan's school) can finally bust through the Brooklyn ownership of city titles (Lincoln/Boys-Girls have won the past half dozen or so alone).

Anyone know if Willie still plays for the Harlem Globetrotters?

 

[beast of the east]

Hey I wonder if Paul has yearly totals of the number of posts on redmen.com. It may be a good indication of fan interest when normalized over 15 years, accounting for popularity of the site in the interim.

 

[paultzman]

"I think I remember King played against Willie Shaw in PSAL championship game. Correct? "--We Are SJU


year 2000 I think? Kennedy beat Lincoln that year and won another a few years later. Bronx hasn't been in the PSAL conversation much since those days, unless Wings Academy (Jessie Govan's school) can finally bust through the Brooklyn ownership of city titles (Lincoln/Boys-Girls have won the past half dozen or so alone).

Anyone know if Willie still plays for the Harlem Globetrotters?

He does

 

[Sleek718]

"I think I remember King played against Willie Shaw in PSAL championship game. Correct? "--We Are SJU


year 2000 I think? Kennedy beat Lincoln that year and won another a few years later. Bronx hasn't been in the PSAL conversation much since those days, unless Wings Academy (Jessie Govan's school) can finally bust through the Brooklyn ownership of city titles (Lincoln/Boys-Girls have won the past half dozen or so alone).

Anyone know if Willie still plays for the Harlem Globetrotters?

He does

Encyclopedia Paultz. Hot dag you know stuff!

 

[panther2]

Eric King had a good freshman year. He had 18 & 8 against Wake Forest and Josh Howard at the Garden. When we beat UCLA, he checked Jason Kapono. Sometime in the beginning of his Sophmore year, Eric and Deuce got into an argument. Senior buried him after that. The one time he got out was when we played Duke at the Garden and Marcus Hatten won the game with a steal and free throw.
In the beginning, Dahntay Jones was killing us. Jarvis put Eric King on Jones and he held him in check for the rest of the game. Eric was a very good ballplayer but Jarvis was not able to relate to him. He transferred to Tennessee State and now works for the NYC Dept. of Corrections.

 

[we are sju]

Eric King had a good freshman year. He had 18 & 8 against Wake Forest and Josh Howard at the Garden. When we beat UCLA, he checked Jason Kapono. Sometime in the beginning of his Sophmore year, Eric and Deuce got into an argument. Senior buried him after that. The one time he got out was when we played Duke at the Garden and Marcus Hatten won the game with a steal and free throw.
In the beginning, Dahntay Jones was killing us. Jarvis put Eric King on Jones and he held him in check for the rest of the game. Eric was a very good ballplayer but Jarvis was not able to relate to him. He transferred to Tennessee State and now works for the NYC Dept. of Corrections.

Since I have been a fan there have been a number of guys who I felt have gotten a raw deal regarding playing time here. Eic King is on my list, but outside of Roshown Mcleod and Larry Wright, no one has left here and done considerbly better elsewhere.

NOTE Cedric Jackson is not on the list becuase while he was here I wished he were somewhere else

 

[lawmanfan]

n/m

 

[fuchsia]

I've always maintained, to jeers, is that as unlikeable as Jarvis was, and the fact that he self-destructed after failing to get the deal he wanted out of Michael Jordan in the NBA, that he had success here. He didn't start off badly, he just ended horribly. He deserves every negative commentary except that he had coaching ability and won here.

ended horribly as in his last two seasons he had an NCAA and won the NIT.
Father Harrington deserves a large part of that blame - and im not saying that the 03-04 season wouldve ended in a final four run, but how dumb are you to fire him six games into the season?

Avon, the wheels fell off. He proclaimed that winning wasn't important, that he didn't care if they didn't win another game all season, because he was a teacher, not just a coach. He proclaimed he wouldn't recruit in NYC. He acquired a real hostility towards St. John's, including the entire Athletic Department office, because as part of his negotiations with Jordan for an NBA job (Jordan wouldn't give him the multi-year deal he desired) that St. John's wouldn't bequeath the head coaching job to Mike Jarvis Jr. if he vacated. By all of these actions, he created his own firing, and deservedly so.

Francesa at the time reported that Jarvis was a no-show at the President's annual dinner which precipitated the actual firing but that Francesa had info that Jarvis intentionally provoked the administration because he in fact did not want ownership of a team with a losing record which he saw coming after his recruiting had died.

 

[Sleek718]

St. John's fans...

masochists.

 

[Marillac]

Buffalo's rpi is 40 right behind STJ at 39.

and.....are you suggesting that UB is just as good as us and that Bobby Hurley is a better coach then Lav? I think its all ridiculous and again, lets wait until the season is over before anyone fires the guy. One question though, if anyone asked you if you'd be happy with the Johnnies at 19-9 with 3 games remaining before the BE tourney at the start of the season, I bet MOST of us would say sure. Anything can happen in the Dance and we will be there! These kids are right there, lets support the team and LAV now, you have all off season to tear down any walls.
Go Johnnies!!!!!

At the start of the season, the only thing any fan was willing to accept was at least a win or two in the NCAA's. One bid and 0 wins every four years is not acceptable. There is a very strong chance that next year's class will be underwhelming. Unless Lav performs an 11th hour miracle (and why he only has two commits so far is mind-boggling), there is a very good chance SJU will miss the NCAA's the next couple of years.

Dom's game has grown beautifully, and I wish the seniors all the best. But don't confuse this recent streak for anything close to a sustainable program.

Well put. I don't want to take away anything from the players on the court...I love the energy we've been seeing, and the emergence of Dom and Jordan. I would love to see this team not only make the tournament, but win at least one game. They deserve that feeling of accomplishment. Lav's body of work has not assured him of anything. His top accomplishments are a few scattered win streaks like the one we are in now. Our current win streak includes Xavier, Depaul, Seton Hall and Creighton. Last years Feb win streak included similar teams, but with one marquee win against #12 Creighton. One Big East Tournament Win, One NIT win, in four years. That's his 2 million a year resume. That's simply not good enough.

Dont chalk him up as nothing either. 1 tourney, 2 nits in 4 years at school who hasnt done anything worth mention for 10+years.

In the five years Lavin has been here we have won 11 games against this group of schools;
Cuse, Duke, nova, gtown, uconn, marquette

In the five years previous to lavin we had 5 combined wins.

Trust me im far from a lavin lover but he hasn't failed here imo. Due to his instant success, the expectations just rose too high. This group he has had now has improved their record every year. Maybe the volatile feel of the program was more a function of starting from scratch and maybe this next cycle will improve.

Gets to the tourney this year then no way he gets canned.

At the end of the day, the people who are paying him are the ultimately the ones who decide if he has succeeded or failed here. I have said all along, and I continue to say, that he should neither be fired nor extended this year, regardless of what happens. Lets see how we finish out the year and what kind of team he puts on the floor next year. There's really no need to rush that decision at this point. But for cryin out loud can we please stop comparing Lavin's tenure here to that of his predecessor? Norm is not the gage by which most reasonable SJU fans wish to judge Lavin. Only the apologists wish to do that.

I have to say that saying that we should not compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Who do you want to compare Lavin's tenure to? Coach K? Jim Calhoun? Jimmy Boeheim? Of course it's fair to compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's! For all the obvious reasons. They both coached here is the most blatant one. It's only the Lavin haters who do not want to do that, because when you do compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's the differences are glaring. And in Lavin's favor.

Compare t to Jarvis' tenure too then:

Jarvis in five seasons:
1 Big East Championship, 1 Elite 8, 3 NCAAs, 1 NIT Championship
6-4 in BE Tourney
4-3 in NCAAs
5-0 in NIT
Total Postseason Record: 15-7

Lavin in almost five seasons:
ZERO Big East Titles, 1 NCAA Tournament, 2 NITS
1-4 in BE Tourney
1-2 in NIT
0-1 NCAAs
Total Postseason Record: 2-7

Only bringing up Jarvis because he was run out of town with a resume much better than "Lav" has amassed

You can all continue your mob mentality and start attacking me now.

SJU fans have to take a lot of responsibility too IMO. He was hated right after the 2000 season. It was bad. We don't give guys a shot. We have a New York sports approach to a team that doesn't play on an equal playing field with
SJU fans will go after a coach based on personal feelings. For Jarvis is was his arrogance and perceived laziness in recruiting. For Lavin it is the exaggerations and coach speak (and some more laziness in recruiting). There was also Norm... Fraschilla...Mahoney...heck, guys were after Louie.

If you run into an asshole in the morning...you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day long...you're the asshole.

 

[beast of the east]

I've always maintained, to jeers, is that as unlikeable as Jarvis was, and the fact that he self-destructed after failing to get the deal he wanted out of Michael Jordan in the NBA, that he had success here. He didn't start off badly, he just ended horribly. He deserves every negative commentary except that he had coaching ability and won here.

ended horribly as in his last two seasons he had an NCAA and won the NIT.
Father Harrington deserves a large part of that blame - and im not saying that the 03-04 season wouldve ended in a final four run, but how dumb are you to fire him six games into the season?

Avon, the wheels fell off. He proclaimed that winning wasn't important, that he didn't care if they didn't win another game all season, because he was a teacher, not just a coach. He proclaimed he wouldn't recruit in NYC. He acquired a real hostility towards St. John's, including the entire Athletic Department office, because as part of his negotiations with Jordan for an NBA job (Jordan wouldn't give him the multi-year deal he desired) that St. John's wouldn't bequeath the head coaching job to Mike Jarvis Jr. if he vacated. By all of these actions, he created his own firing, and deservedly so.

Francesa at the time reported that Jarvis was a no-show at the President's annual dinner which precipitated the actual firing but that Francesa had info that Jarvis intentionally provoked the administration because he in fact did not want ownership of a team with a losing record which he saw coming after his recruiting had died.

Coming from the guy (Francessa) who kept St. John's dangling every year he was asked to emcee the President's dinner and in his final appearance showed up in a crumpled brown suit instead of a tux. It all worked out, Bruce Beck loves St. John's, prepares magnificently, and is a gracious, wonderful, emcee who evokes all things good about the school.

One thing about Harrington is that he didn't like his coaches to be prima dona's. That's why after two cracks of paying coaches far more than Looie, scaled down for the bargain basement Norm.

 

[mjmaherjr]

I've always maintained, to jeers, is that as unlikeable as Jarvis was, and the fact that he self-destructed after failing to get the deal he wanted out of Michael Jordan in the NBA, that he had success here. He didn't start off badly, he just ended horribly. He deserves every negative commentary except that he had coaching ability and won here.

ended horribly as in his last two seasons he had an NCAA and won the NIT.
Father Harrington deserves a large part of that blame - and im not saying that the 03-04 season wouldve ended in a final four run, but how dumb are you to fire him six games into the season?

Avon, the wheels fell off. He proclaimed that winning wasn't important, that he didn't care if they didn't win another game all season, because he was a teacher, not just a coach. He proclaimed he wouldn't recruit in NYC. He acquired a real hostility towards St. John's, including the entire Athletic Department office, because as part of his negotiations with Jordan for an NBA job (Jordan wouldn't give him the multi-year deal he desired) that St. John's wouldn't bequeath the head coaching job to Mike Jarvis Jr. if he vacated. By all of these actions, he created his own firing, and deservedly so.

Francesa at the time reported that Jarvis was a no-show at the President's annual dinner which precipitated the actual firing but that Francesa had info that Jarvis intentionally provoked the administration because he in fact did not want ownership of a team with a losing record which he saw coming after his recruiting had died.

One thing about Harrington is that he didn't like his coaches to be prima dona's. That's why after two cracks of paying coaches far more than Looie, scaled down for the bargain basement Norm.

kind of ironic considering Harrington's tenure with his free spending ways on himself

 

[we are sju]

Buffalo's rpi is 40 right behind STJ at 39.

and.....are you suggesting that UB is just as good as us and that Bobby Hurley is a better coach then Lav? I think its all ridiculous and again, lets wait until the season is over before anyone fires the guy. One question though, if anyone asked you if you'd be happy with the Johnnies at 19-9 with 3 games remaining before the BE tourney at the start of the season, I bet MOST of us would say sure. Anything can happen in the Dance and we will be there! These kids are right there, lets support the team and LAV now, you have all off season to tear down any walls.
Go Johnnies!!!!!

At the start of the season, the only thing any fan was willing to accept was at least a win or two in the NCAA's. One bid and 0 wins every four years is not acceptable. There is a very strong chance that next year's class will be underwhelming. Unless Lav performs an 11th hour miracle (and why he only has two commits so far is mind-boggling), there is a very good chance SJU will miss the NCAA's the next couple of years.

Dom's game has grown beautifully, and I wish the seniors all the best. But don't confuse this recent streak for anything close to a sustainable program.

Well put. I don't want to take away anything from the players on the court...I love the energy we've been seeing, and the emergence of Dom and Jordan. I would love to see this team not only make the tournament, but win at least one game. They deserve that feeling of accomplishment. Lav's body of work has not assured him of anything. His top accomplishments are a few scattered win streaks like the one we are in now. Our current win streak includes Xavier, Depaul, Seton Hall and Creighton. Last years Feb win streak included similar teams, but with one marquee win against #12 Creighton. One Big East Tournament Win, One NIT win, in four years. That's his 2 million a year resume. That's simply not good enough.

Dont chalk him up as nothing either. 1 tourney, 2 nits in 4 years at school who hasnt done anything worth mention for 10+years.

In the five years Lavin has been here we have won 11 games against this group of schools;
Cuse, Duke, nova, gtown, uconn, marquette

In the five years previous to lavin we had 5 combined wins.

Trust me im far from a lavin lover but he hasn't failed here imo. Due to his instant success, the expectations just rose too high. This group he has had now has improved their record every year. Maybe the volatile feel of the program was more a function of starting from scratch and maybe this next cycle will improve.

Gets to the tourney this year then no way he gets canned.

At the end of the day, the people who are paying him are the ultimately the ones who decide if he has succeeded or failed here. I have said all along, and I continue to say, that he should neither be fired nor extended this year, regardless of what happens. Lets see how we finish out the year and what kind of team he puts on the floor next year. There's really no need to rush that decision at this point. But for cryin out loud can we please stop comparing Lavin's tenure here to that of his predecessor? Norm is not the gage by which most reasonable SJU fans wish to judge Lavin. Only the apologists wish to do that.

I have to say that saying that we should not compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Who do you want to compare Lavin's tenure to? Coach K? Jim Calhoun? Jimmy Boeheim? Of course it's fair to compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's! For all the obvious reasons. They both coached here is the most blatant one. It's only the Lavin haters who do not want to do that, because when you do compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's the differences are glaring. And in Lavin's favor.

Compare t to Jarvis' tenure too then:

Jarvis in five seasons:
1 Big East Championship, 1 Elite 8, 3 NCAAs, 1 NIT Championship
6-4 in BE Tourney
4-3 in NCAAs
5-0 in NIT
Total Postseason Record: 15-7

Lavin in almost five seasons:
ZERO Big East Titles, 1 NCAA Tournament, 2 NITS
1-4 in BE Tourney
1-2 in NIT
0-1 NCAAs
Total Postseason Record: 2-7

Only bringing up Jarvis because he was run out of town with a resume much better than "Lav" has amassed

You can all continue your mob mentality and start attacking me now.

SJU fans have to take a lot of responsibility too IMO. He was hated right after the 2000 season. It was bad. We don't give guys a shot. We have a New York sports approach to a team that doesn't play on an equal playing field with
SJU fans will go after a coach based on personal feelings. For Jarvis is was his arrogance and perceived laziness in recruiting. For Lavin it is the exaggerations and coach speak (and some more laziness in recruiting). There was also Norm... Fraschilla...Mahoney...heck, guys were after Louie.

If you run into an asshole in the morning...you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day long...you're the asshole.

Blaming the fans for Norm is worse than blaming Jodie Foster for being raped in the accused. You can't use the we were asking for it defense. Just becuase we might not have been happy with the previous coaches we did not desrve to be Normed. WE were the victims!

 

[Marillac]

Buffalo's rpi is 40 right behind STJ at 39.

and.....are you suggesting that UB is just as good as us and that Bobby Hurley is a better coach then Lav? I think its all ridiculous and again, lets wait until the season is over before anyone fires the guy. One question though, if anyone asked you if you'd be happy with the Johnnies at 19-9 with 3 games remaining before the BE tourney at the start of the season, I bet MOST of us would say sure. Anything can happen in the Dance and we will be there! These kids are right there, lets support the team and LAV now, you have all off season to tear down any walls.
Go Johnnies!!!!!

At the start of the season, the only thing any fan was willing to accept was at least a win or two in the NCAA's. One bid and 0 wins every four years is not acceptable. There is a very strong chance that next year's class will be underwhelming. Unless Lav performs an 11th hour miracle (and why he only has two commits so far is mind-boggling), there is a very good chance SJU will miss the NCAA's the next couple of years.

Dom's game has grown beautifully, and I wish the seniors all the best. But don't confuse this recent streak for anything close to a sustainable program.

Well put. I don't want to take away anything from the players on the court...I love the energy we've been seeing, and the emergence of Dom and Jordan. I would love to see this team not only make the tournament, but win at least one game. They deserve that feeling of accomplishment. Lav's body of work has not assured him of anything. His top accomplishments are a few scattered win streaks like the one we are in now. Our current win streak includes Xavier, Depaul, Seton Hall and Creighton. Last years Feb win streak included similar teams, but with one marquee win against #12 Creighton. One Big East Tournament Win, One NIT win, in four years. That's his 2 million a year resume. That's simply not good enough.

Dont chalk him up as nothing either. 1 tourney, 2 nits in 4 years at school who hasnt done anything worth mention for 10+years.

In the five years Lavin has been here we have won 11 games against this group of schools;
Cuse, Duke, nova, gtown, uconn, marquette

In the five years previous to lavin we had 5 combined wins.

Trust me im far from a lavin lover but he hasn't failed here imo. Due to his instant success, the expectations just rose too high. This group he has had now has improved their record every year. Maybe the volatile feel of the program was more a function of starting from scratch and maybe this next cycle will improve.

Gets to the tourney this year then no way he gets canned.

At the end of the day, the people who are paying him are the ultimately the ones who decide if he has succeeded or failed here. I have said all along, and I continue to say, that he should neither be fired nor extended this year, regardless of what happens. Lets see how we finish out the year and what kind of team he puts on the floor next year. There's really no need to rush that decision at this point. But for cryin out loud can we please stop comparing Lavin's tenure here to that of his predecessor? Norm is not the gage by which most reasonable SJU fans wish to judge Lavin. Only the apologists wish to do that.

I have to say that saying that we should not compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Who do you want to compare Lavin's tenure to? Coach K? Jim Calhoun? Jimmy Boeheim? Of course it's fair to compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's! For all the obvious reasons. They both coached here is the most blatant one. It's only the Lavin haters who do not want to do that, because when you do compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's the differences are glaring. And in Lavin's favor.

Compare t to Jarvis' tenure too then:

Jarvis in five seasons:
1 Big East Championship, 1 Elite 8, 3 NCAAs, 1 NIT Championship
6-4 in BE Tourney
4-3 in NCAAs
5-0 in NIT
Total Postseason Record: 15-7

Lavin in almost five seasons:
ZERO Big East Titles, 1 NCAA Tournament, 2 NITS
1-4 in BE Tourney
1-2 in NIT
0-1 NCAAs
Total Postseason Record: 2-7

Only bringing up Jarvis because he was run out of town with a resume much better than "Lav" has amassed

You can all continue your mob mentality and start attacking me now.

SJU fans have to take a lot of responsibility too IMO. He was hated right after the 2000 season. It was bad. We don't give guys a shot. We have a New York sports approach to a team that doesn't play on an equal playing field with
SJU fans will go after a coach based on personal feelings. For Jarvis is was his arrogance and perceived laziness in recruiting. For Lavin it is the exaggerations and coach speak (and some more laziness in recruiting). There was also Norm... Fraschilla...Mahoney...heck, guys were after Louie.

If you run into an asshole in the morning...you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day long...you're the asshole.

Blaming the fans for Norm is worse than blaming Jodie Foster for being raped in the accused. You can't use the we were asking for it defense. Just becuase we might not have been happy with the previous coaches we did not desrve to be Normed. WE were the victims!

Beef with Norm was 100% valid.

 

[Class of 72]

I would take Lavin anyday over Jarvis. Please revisit the Jarvis resume and adjust for forfeits.

Jarvis and his last three years set SJU back 10 years. Norm was hired to clean up his mess. Unfortunately Norm couldn't coach or recruit.
Lavin just wrote the following about his players:

"I couldn’t be more proud of these five seniors. They are the last of the Mohicans. This 2011 recruiting class will always hold a special place in my heart. To this point, the class has already produced two NBA players in JaKarr Sampson and Maurice Harkless, a Major League Baseball prospect in Amir Garrett and the rarity in Gods’Gift Achiuwa having earned his undergraduate and master’s degrees with honors, two 1,000 point scorers in Phil Greene IV and Sir’Dominic Pointer, a 2,000-point scorer in D’Angelo Harrison and most importantly six college graduates.”

What can be said about the Jarvis players? ???

 

[Sleek718]

I would take Lavin anyday over Jarvis. Please revisit the Jarvis resume and adjust for forfeits.

Jarvis and his last three years set SJU back 10 years. Norm was hired to clean up his mess. Unfortunately Norm couldn't coach or recruit.
Lavin just wrote the following about his players:

"I couldn’t be more proud of these five seniors. They are the last of the Mohicans. This 2011 recruiting class will always hold a special place in my heart. To this point, the class has already produced two NBA players in JaKarr Sampson and Maurice Harkless, a Major League Baseball prospect in Amir Garrett and the rarity in Gods’Gift Achiuwa having earned his undergraduate and master’s degrees with honors, two 1,000 point scorers in Phil Greene IV and Sir’Dominic Pointer, a 2,000-point scorer in D’Angelo Harrison and most importantly six college graduates.”

What can be said about the Jarvis players? ???

Right on.

Noticed that Achiuwa is being used on those St. John's tv ads, totally presented in an academic way if I remember correctly.

That said, I wish the team would worry about reflections a li'l down the line. It's within reach, but they still gotta earn it on the hardwood.

 

[JacStorm]

I really wonder at the posters who criticize Lavin for his 'coachspeak'.

Guess you would have hated Casey.
And Louie, too! All that crap about "feather dusters' and "little sisters of the poor", etc.

There isn't a coach alive - who lasts - who is not putting on a performance for the press. It can be a humble act, or an enthusiastic act, or an angry act, or an arrogant act.. but it's ALL an act.

Personally, I like the rather clever, amusing act of a Lavin. Or a Stengel. Or the sainted Louie.

If you don't like it, fine.. but to use it to criticize a coach is beyond absurd.

This criticism of Lavin, like so much else, is utter crap. Please, please find something else that doesn't make you look so damn stupid.

 

[simplyred]

Can we please go back to bashing Lavin instead of talking about Norm and Jarvis? Pretty please?

 

[TonyinFairfield]

I would take Lavin anyday over Jarvis. Please revisit the Jarvis resume and adjust for forfeits.

Jarvis and his last three years set SJU back 10 years. Norm was hired to clean up his mess. Unfortunately Norm couldn't coach or recruit.
Lavin just wrote the following about his players:

"I couldn’t be more proud of these five seniors. They are the last of the Mohicans. This 2011 recruiting class will always hold a special place in my heart. To this point, the class has already produced two NBA players in JaKarr Sampson and Maurice Harkless, a Major League Baseball prospect in Amir Garrett and the rarity in Gods’Gift Achiuwa having earned his undergraduate and master’s degrees with honors, two 1,000 point scorers in Phil Greene IV and Sir’Dominic Pointer, a 2,000-point scorer in D’Angelo Harrison and most importantly six college graduates.”

What can be said about the Jarvis players? ???

It's clear Lavin has a special place in his heart for these guys. And it's clear that they enjoy playing for him. I will certainly miss this group. I hope to see them play again in the BET and in the NCAA tourney.

 

[Sleek718]

I really wonder at the posters who criticize Lavin for his 'coachspeak'.

Guess you would have hated Casey.
And Louie, too! All that crap about "feather dusters' and "little sisters of the poor", etc.

There isn't a coach alive - who lasts - who is not putting on a performance for the press. It can be a humble act, or an enthusiastic act, or an angry act, or an arrogant act.. but it's ALL an act.

Personally, I like the rather clever, amusing act of a Lavin. Or a Stengel. Or the sainted Louie.

If you don't like it, fine.. but to use it to criticize a coach is beyond absurd.

This criticism of Lavin, like so much else, is utter crap. Please, please find something else that doesn't make you look so damn stupid.

I remember before the site was revised a few years back, we had a long running thread (that I actually suggested, sheeesh) that was used to keep track of Lav's crazy Yogi-like quotes.

I miss those days.

The unicorn stuff is ridiculous, but that's our coach, and I'm glad he's not a carbon copy boring quote. Wish he would bring back the "hammer to rock" stuff though...

because that should be the mentality right now.