Next Coach?

[Sleek718]

JacStorm:

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A coach can't guarantee what a kid will or won't do. A coach can only show what kind of man/teacher/role model he is by how he deals with situations when they arise - as they always will.

Jarvis showed who and what he was and I found it despicable. Are wins and losses the only measure of a coach? If you had told me Jarvis was guaranteed to win the NCAA tourney if he was brought back, I would've said no."

Wish more sports fans thought this way. In general, the past twenty years or so, sports isn't even that enjoyable anymore...I care what is on the court, and I acknowledge the humanity of our players first, basketball second.

But nowadays, we worry about recruits two years down the line, the next crappy coach, or in the pros, we care more about salary cap issues, etc.

Just because everyone else is doing it, doesn't mean we have to. Sorry, but I want no part of Calipari, Jarvis, or any other win-above-all-else coaches who leave programs with shame.

Some y'all call Lavin a salesman, but ya know what, I am grateful to have a coach with some class and dignity. Someone who is not acting like a barbarian on the sideline or off the court for the matter. And one who puts real effort into improving his players as people.

And if he does pull off two NCAAs and two NITs in five years, then yeah, I ain't complaining.

I love St. John's basketball, but it's also amazing how bad this program was for too long, and I agree with another poster who mentioned that Lavin has restored SJU's perception positively all things considered.

40 new posts to this thread in like four hours.

I'm old now or something, because I wish we could just focus on the game and be proud of a group that is playing its tail off, with seniors who have graduated early, and some young men have truly matured while here.

 

[redfan259999888]

Everyone know my position on Lavins future, make the ncaa and win atleast 1 game. Plus, a top recruiting class just so there's promise for the future with Lavin.

Now with that said, could the mods put this thread on lock down, atleast until after the seniors biggest game of their lives.
WTF are we talking "next coach", with what's at stake on Saturday?

It is a college basketball message board. Fans are going to post their feelings about the head coach. It happens on message boards for every team. This is exactly the forum to express opinions.

But would it kill anyone if the mods locked it down until after the game? I mean it's not a whole 48hrs from now until the end of the game.

 

[JohnnyFan]

Everyone know my position on Lavins future, make the ncaa and win atleast 1 game. Plus, a top recruiting class just so there's promise for the future with Lavin.

Now with that said, could the mods put this thread on lock down, atleast until after the seniors biggest game of their lives.
WTF are we talking "next coach", with what's at stake on Saturday?

It is a college basketball message board. Fans are going to post their feelings about the head coach. It happens on message boards for every team. This is exactly the forum to express opinions.

But would it kill anyone if the mods locked it down until after the game? I mean it's not a whole 48hrs from now until the end of the game.

The thread does not affect the game. If fans want to evaluate the head coach and express their opinion on the program, this is exactly the place to do it. You can't control what is said on a message board. It is the beauty and beast of its very nature.

 

[redfan259999888]

Everyone know my position on Lavins future, make the ncaa and win atleast 1 game. Plus, a top recruiting class just so there's promise for the future with Lavin.

Now with that said, could the mods put this thread on lock down, atleast until after the seniors biggest game of their lives.
WTF are we talking "next coach", with what's at stake on Saturday?

It is a college basketball message board. Fans are going to post their feelings about the head coach. It happens on message boards for every team. This is exactly the forum to express opinions.

But would it kill anyone if the mods locked it down until after the game? I mean it's not a whole 48hrs from now until the end of the game.

The thread does not affect the game. If fans want to evaluate the head coach and express their opinion on the program, this is exactly the place to do it. You can't control what is said on a message board. It is the beauty and beast of its very nature.

Well you have fun then.

 

[JacStorm]

JacStorm:

"
A coach can't guarantee what a kid will or won't do. A coach can only show what kind of man/teacher/role model he is by how he deals with situations when they arise - as they always will.

Jarvis showed who and what he was and I found it despicable. Are wins and losses the only measure of a coach? If you had told me Jarvis was guaranteed to win the NCAA tourney if he was brought back, I would've said no."

Wish more sports fans thought this way. In general, the past twenty years or so, sports isn't even that enjoyable anymore...I care what is on the court, and I acknowledge the humanity of our players first, basketball second.

But nowadays, we worry about recruits two years down the line, the next crappy coach, or in the pros, we care more about salary cap issues, etc.

Just because everyone else is doing it, doesn't mean we have to. Sorry, but I want no part of Calipari, Jarvis, or any other win-above-all-else coaches who leave programs with shame.

Some y'all call Lavin a salesman, but ya know what, I am grateful to have a coach with some class and dignity. Someone who is not acting like a barbarian on the sideline or off the court for the matter. And one who puts real effort into improving his players as people.

And if he does pull off two NCAAs and two NITs in five years, then yeah, I ain't complaining.

I love St. John's basketball, but it's also amazing how bad this program was for too long, and I agree with another poster who mentioned that Lavin has restored SJU's perception positively all things considered.

40 new posts to this thread in like four hours.

I'm old now or something, because I wish we could just focus on the game and be proud of a group that is playing its tail off, with seniors who have graduated early, and some young men have truly matured while here.

Not old, Sleek. Just wise. Thank you for this post. Couldn't agree more.

 

[bamafan]

Everyone know my position on Lavins future, make the ncaa and win atleast 1 game. Plus, a top recruiting class just so there's promise for the future with Lavin.

Now with that said, could the mods put this thread on lock down, atleast until after the seniors biggest game of their lives.
WTF are we talking "next coach", with what's at stake on Saturday?

It is a college basketball message board. Fans are going to post their feelings about the head coach. It happens on message boards for every team. This is exactly the forum to express opinions.

But would it kill anyone if the mods locked it down until after the game? I mean it's not a whole 48hrs from now until the end of the game.

The thread does not affect the game. If fans want to evaluate the head coach and express their opinion on the program, this is exactly the place to do it. You can't control what is said on a message board. It is the beauty and beast of its very nature.

Well you have fun then.[/quote
]Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket! For those that think this thread should be shut down until after G'town game, why the heck are you wasting your time reading and posting on it? Why don't you guys revisit after the G'town game? :huh: :dry:

 

[bamafan]

One other thing about Jarvis is in hindsight I equate him to Cheney in that both were called for advice in a job search and both ended up more interested in getting the job than giving the best advice. Cheney's now a war criminal. Jarvis . . .

John Chaney former Temple coach a war criminal?

 

[redmen2014champs]

One other thing about Jarvis is in hindsight I equate him to Cheney in that both were called for advice in a job search and both ended up more interested in getting the job than giving the best advice. Cheney's now a war criminal. Jarvis . . .

John Chaney former Temple coach a war criminal?

I wasn't sure but I'm guessing Dick Cheney, Darth Vader.

 

[redken]

One other thing about Jarvis is in hindsight I equate him to Cheney in that both were called for advice in a job search and both ended up more interested in getting the job than giving the best advice. Cheney's now a war criminal. Jarvis . . .

John Chaney former Temple coach a war criminal?

I wasn't sure but I'm guessing Dick Cheney, Darth Vader.

No, I think he meant John Chaney. That's why austour's karma is an astounding minus 515.

And by the way, can we bring this topic to an end? We've all given our opinion on "our next coach" at least three or four times. Time to move on.

 

[monte]

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Mahoney and Jarvis are the only STJ coaches in my lifetime who left the program in worse shape than it was when they got there. By that token I'll say Lavin is marginally more successful than Jarvis, plus Jarvis trended down throughout his tenure with a slight reprieve riding the back of Marcus Hatten. Have I ever told you how I blame Marcus Hatten for the downfall of STJ's to this extent?

Did you like the Elite 8 team?
Nothing that happened after that changes how you felt watching that and if you say it does you are kidding yourself.

I found myself thinking, imagine if Fran was still here how good these guys would be!

PS - I've cared for every girl after the first time. Not sure I cared for any of them as much down the line, except my wife of course.

With Fran at most they could have only been 3 games better. At worst.....

For the record I liked Fran, but I did know a player on his team and accordingly to him they all hated Fran. Believe it or not from what I have also been told Jarvis players liked him?

My only point in defending against the villification of Jarvis is I really liked the Elite 8 team. I can't get past that.

Loved that team too. In fact I pretty much love every STJ team. That's why I spend much of my free time on this board. Doesn't make me oblivious to the fact that it was all downhill from there nor forget that the most creative offense Jarvis could come up with once the Riverside guys were done running their own show was the Globetrotter weave followed by a Cook or Hatten heave with .5 left on the shot clock. One thing I always gave Jarvis was he could coach some defense though.

Just to be clear, I do not think Jarvis was a great coach. That was a great team and he was smart enough to let them play. He was the coach of the team, so for that I do not look back on him the negative way most on here do.

Good point guards can make head coaches look great. That team had a very good point guard.

 

[stjohnnie75]

Buffalo's rpi is 40 right behind STJ at 39.

and.....are you suggesting that UB is just as good as us and that Bobby Hurley is a better coach then Lav? I think its all ridiculous and again, lets wait until the season is over before anyone fires the guy. One question though, if anyone asked you if you'd be happy with the Johnnies at 19-9 with 3 games remaining before the BE tourney at the start of the season, I bet MOST of us would say sure. Anything can happen in the Dance and we will be there! These kids are right there, lets support the team and LAV now, you have all off season to tear down any walls.
Go Johnnies!!!!!

At the start of the season, the only thing any fan was willing to accept was at least a win or two in the NCAA's. One bid and 0 wins every four years is not acceptable. There is a very strong chance that next year's class will be underwhelming. Unless Lav performs an 11th hour miracle (and why he only has two commits so far is mind-boggling), there is a very good chance SJU will miss the NCAA's the next couple of years.

Dom's game has grown beautifully, and I wish the seniors all the best. But don't confuse this recent streak for anything close to a sustainable program.

Well put. I don't want to take away anything from the players on the court...I love the energy we've been seeing, and the emergence of Dom and Jordan. I would love to see this team not only make the tournament, but win at least one game. They deserve that feeling of accomplishment. Lav's body of work has not assured him of anything. His top accomplishments are a few scattered win streaks like the one we are in now. Our current win streak includes Xavier, Depaul, Seton Hall and Creighton. Last years Feb win streak included similar teams, but with one marquee win against #12 Creighton. One Big East Tournament Win, One NIT win, in four years. That's his 2 million a year resume. That's simply not good enough.

Dont chalk him up as nothing either. 1 tourney, 2 nits in 4 years at school who hasnt done anything worth mention for 10+years.

In the five years Lavin has been here we have won 11 games against this group of schools;
Cuse, Duke, nova, gtown, uconn, marquette

In the five years previous to lavin we had 5 combined wins.

Trust me im far from a lavin lover but he hasn't failed here imo. Due to his instant success, the expectations just rose too high. This group he has had now has improved their record every year. Maybe the volatile feel of the program was more a function of starting from scratch and maybe this next cycle will improve.

Gets to the tourney this year then no way he gets canned.

At the end of the day, the people who are paying him are the ultimately the ones who decide if he has succeeded or failed here. I have said all along, and I continue to say, that he should neither be fired nor extended this year, regardless of what happens. Lets see how we finish out the year and what kind of team he puts on the floor next year. There's really no need to rush that decision at this point. But for cryin out loud can we please stop comparing Lavin's tenure here to that of his predecessor? Norm is not the gage by which most reasonable SJU fans wish to judge Lavin. Only the apologists wish to do that.

I have to say that saying that we should not compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Who do you want to compare Lavin's tenure to? Coach K? Jim Calhoun? Jimmy Boeheim? Of course it's fair to compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's! For all the obvious reasons. They both coached here is the most blatant one. It's only the Lavin haters who do not want to do that, because when you do compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's the differences are glaring. And in Lavin's favor.

Compare t to Jarvis' tenure too then:

Jarvis in five seasons:
1 Big East Championship, 1 Elite 8, 3 NCAAs, 1 NIT Championship
6-4 in BE Tourney
4-3 in NCAAs
5-0 in NIT
Total Postseason Record: 15-7

Lavin in almost five seasons:
ZERO Big East Titles, 1 NCAA Tournament, 2 NITS
1-4 in BE Tourney
1-2 in NIT
0-1 NCAAs
Total Postseason Record: 2-7

Only bringing up Jarvis because he was run out of town with a resume much better than "Lav" has amassed

You can all continue your mob mentality and start attacking me now.

I've always maintained, to jeers, is that as unlikeable as Jarvis was, and the fact that he self-destructed after failing to get the deal he wanted out of Michael Jordan in the NBA, that he had success here. He didn't start off badly, he just ended horribly. He deserves every negative commentary except that he had coaching ability and won here.

I'm with you, and furthermore he was not the horrible recruiter that some have made him out to be.

He did get some good recruits but I believe his class after the Elite 8 season was awful. What was it Orvis, Keita and Wolfinger? That should have been a monster class, IMO.

 

[MJDinkins]

Everyone know my position on Lavins future, make the ncaa and win atleast 1 game. Plus, a top recruiting class just so there's promise for the future with Lavin.

Now with that said, could the mods put this thread on lock down, atleast until after the seniors biggest game of their lives.
WTF are we talking "next coach", with what's at stake on Saturday?

It is a college basketball message board. Fans are going to post their feelings about the head coach. It happens on message boards for every team. This is exactly the forum to express opinions.

But would it kill anyone if the mods locked it down until after the game? I mean it's not a whole 48hrs from now until the end of the game.

The thread does not affect the game. If fans want to evaluate the head coach and express their opinion on the program, this is exactly the place to do it. You can't control what is said on a message board. It is the beauty and beast of its very nature.

Well you have fun then.

You must not know who or what you're dealing with, old school.

This thread reminds me of this....

 

[monte]

Buffalo's rpi is 40 right behind STJ at 39.

and.....are you suggesting that UB is just as good as us and that Bobby Hurley is a better coach then Lav? I think its all ridiculous and again, lets wait until the season is over before anyone fires the guy. One question though, if anyone asked you if you'd be happy with the Johnnies at 19-9 with 3 games remaining before the BE tourney at the start of the season, I bet MOST of us would say sure. Anything can happen in the Dance and we will be there! These kids are right there, lets support the team and LAV now, you have all off season to tear down any walls.
Go Johnnies!!!!!

At the start of the season, the only thing any fan was willing to accept was at least a win or two in the NCAA's. One bid and 0 wins every four years is not acceptable. There is a very strong chance that next year's class will be underwhelming. Unless Lav performs an 11th hour miracle (and why he only has two commits so far is mind-boggling), there is a very good chance SJU will miss the NCAA's the next couple of years.

Dom's game has grown beautifully, and I wish the seniors all the best. But don't confuse this recent streak for anything close to a sustainable program.

Well put. I don't want to take away anything from the players on the court...I love the energy we've been seeing, and the emergence of Dom and Jordan. I would love to see this team not only make the tournament, but win at least one game. They deserve that feeling of accomplishment. Lav's body of work has not assured him of anything. His top accomplishments are a few scattered win streaks like the one we are in now. Our current win streak includes Xavier, Depaul, Seton Hall and Creighton. Last years Feb win streak included similar teams, but with one marquee win against #12 Creighton. One Big East Tournament Win, One NIT win, in four years. That's his 2 million a year resume. That's simply not good enough.

Dont chalk him up as nothing either. 1 tourney, 2 nits in 4 years at school who hasnt done anything worth mention for 10+years.

In the five years Lavin has been here we have won 11 games against this group of schools;
Cuse, Duke, nova, gtown, uconn, marquette

In the five years previous to lavin we had 5 combined wins.

Trust me im far from a lavin lover but he hasn't failed here imo. Due to his instant success, the expectations just rose too high. This group he has had now has improved their record every year. Maybe the volatile feel of the program was more a function of starting from scratch and maybe this next cycle will improve.

Gets to the tourney this year then no way he gets canned.

At the end of the day, the people who are paying him are the ultimately the ones who decide if he has succeeded or failed here. I have said all along, and I continue to say, that he should neither be fired nor extended this year, regardless of what happens. Lets see how we finish out the year and what kind of team he puts on the floor next year. There's really no need to rush that decision at this point. But for cryin out loud can we please stop comparing Lavin's tenure here to that of his predecessor? Norm is not the gage by which most reasonable SJU fans wish to judge Lavin. Only the apologists wish to do that.

I have to say that saying that we should not compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Who do you want to compare Lavin's tenure to? Coach K? Jim Calhoun? Jimmy Boeheim? Of course it's fair to compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's! For all the obvious reasons. They both coached here is the most blatant one. It's only the Lavin haters who do not want to do that, because when you do compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's the differences are glaring. And in Lavin's favor.

Compare t to Jarvis' tenure too then:

Jarvis in five seasons:
1 Big East Championship, 1 Elite 8, 3 NCAAs, 1 NIT Championship
6-4 in BE Tourney
4-3 in NCAAs
5-0 in NIT
Total Postseason Record: 15-7

Lavin in almost five seasons:
ZERO Big East Titles, 1 NCAA Tournament, 2 NITS
1-4 in BE Tourney
1-2 in NIT
0-1 NCAAs
Total Postseason Record: 2-7

Only bringing up Jarvis because he was run out of town with a resume much better than "Lav" has amassed

You can all continue your mob mentality and start attacking me now.

I've always maintained, to jeers, is that as unlikeable as Jarvis was, and the fact that he self-destructed after failing to get the deal he wanted out of Michael Jordan in the NBA, that he had success here. He didn't start off badly, he just ended horribly. He deserves every negative commentary except that he had coaching ability and won here.

I'm with you, and furthermore he was not the horrible recruiter that some have made him out to be.

He did get some good recruits but I believe his class after the Elite 8 season was awful. What was it Orvis, Keita and Wolfinger? That should have been a monster class, IMO.

Weak class the year after elite 8 run. But following year he came back with Cook, Cuffe, Shaw and Diakite. All top 100 kids. Plus Bangura, a top transfer student. The next year he brought in Hatten and Eric King, who never panned out but was pretty highly ranked as I recall. He also brought in Ingrham, Showtime and Lamont Hamiltion. Not to shabby.

 

[red0356]

Weak class the year after elite 8 run. But following year he came back with Cook, Cuffe, Shaw and Diakite. All top 100 kids. Plus Bangura, a top transfer student. The next year he brought in Hatten and Eric King, who never panned out but was pretty highly ranked as I recall. He also brought in Ingrham, Showtime and Lamont Hamiltion. Not to shabby.

So you are saying he didn't develop his recruited talent???? Hmmmm.....

 

[jalba07]

One other thing about Jarvis is in hindsight I equate him to Cheney in that both were called for advice in a job search and both ended up more interested in getting the job than giving the best advice. Cheney's now a war criminal. Jarvis . . .

John Chaney former Temple coach a war criminal?

[video width=425 height=344 type=youtube]r6jUpHClybQ[/video]

 

[Avon Barksdale]

Buffalo's rpi is 40 right behind STJ at 39.

and.....are you suggesting that UB is just as good as us and that Bobby Hurley is a better coach then Lav? I think its all ridiculous and again, lets wait until the season is over before anyone fires the guy. One question though, if anyone asked you if you'd be happy with the Johnnies at 19-9 with 3 games remaining before the BE tourney at the start of the season, I bet MOST of us would say sure. Anything can happen in the Dance and we will be there! These kids are right there, lets support the team and LAV now, you have all off season to tear down any walls.
Go Johnnies!!!!!

At the start of the season, the only thing any fan was willing to accept was at least a win or two in the NCAA's. One bid and 0 wins every four years is not acceptable. There is a very strong chance that next year's class will be underwhelming. Unless Lav performs an 11th hour miracle (and why he only has two commits so far is mind-boggling), there is a very good chance SJU will miss the NCAA's the next couple of years.

Dom's game has grown beautifully, and I wish the seniors all the best. But don't confuse this recent streak for anything close to a sustainable program.

Well put. I don't want to take away anything from the players on the court...I love the energy we've been seeing, and the emergence of Dom and Jordan. I would love to see this team not only make the tournament, but win at least one game. They deserve that feeling of accomplishment. Lav's body of work has not assured him of anything. His top accomplishments are a few scattered win streaks like the one we are in now. Our current win streak includes Xavier, Depaul, Seton Hall and Creighton. Last years Feb win streak included similar teams, but with one marquee win against #12 Creighton. One Big East Tournament Win, One NIT win, in four years. That's his 2 million a year resume. That's simply not good enough.

Dont chalk him up as nothing either. 1 tourney, 2 nits in 4 years at school who hasnt done anything worth mention for 10+years.

In the five years Lavin has been here we have won 11 games against this group of schools;
Cuse, Duke, nova, gtown, uconn, marquette

In the five years previous to lavin we had 5 combined wins.

Trust me im far from a lavin lover but he hasn't failed here imo. Due to his instant success, the expectations just rose too high. This group he has had now has improved their record every year. Maybe the volatile feel of the program was more a function of starting from scratch and maybe this next cycle will improve.

Gets to the tourney this year then no way he gets canned.

At the end of the day, the people who are paying him are the ultimately the ones who decide if he has succeeded or failed here. I have said all along, and I continue to say, that he should neither be fired nor extended this year, regardless of what happens. Lets see how we finish out the year and what kind of team he puts on the floor next year. There's really no need to rush that decision at this point. But for cryin out loud can we please stop comparing Lavin's tenure here to that of his predecessor? Norm is not the gage by which most reasonable SJU fans wish to judge Lavin. Only the apologists wish to do that.

I have to say that saying that we should not compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Who do you want to compare Lavin's tenure to? Coach K? Jim Calhoun? Jimmy Boeheim? Of course it's fair to compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's! For all the obvious reasons. They both coached here is the most blatant one. It's only the Lavin haters who do not want to do that, because when you do compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's the differences are glaring. And in Lavin's favor.

Compare t to Jarvis' tenure too then:

Jarvis in five seasons:
1 Big East Championship, 1 Elite 8, 3 NCAAs, 1 NIT Championship
6-4 in BE Tourney
4-3 in NCAAs
5-0 in NIT
Total Postseason Record: 15-7

Lavin in almost five seasons:
ZERO Big East Titles, 1 NCAA Tournament, 2 NITS
1-4 in BE Tourney
1-2 in NIT
0-1 NCAAs
Total Postseason Record: 2-7

Only bringing up Jarvis because he was run out of town with a resume much better than "Lav" has amassed

You can all continue your mob mentality and start attacking me now.

I've always maintained, to jeers, is that as unlikeable as Jarvis was, and the fact that he self-destructed after failing to get the deal he wanted out of Michael Jordan in the NBA, that he had success here. He didn't start off badly, he just ended horribly. He deserves every negative commentary except that he had coaching ability and won here.

I'm with you, and furthermore he was not the horrible recruiter that some have made him out to be.

He did get some good recruits but I believe his class after the Elite 8 season was awful. What was it Orvis, Keita and Wolfinger? That should have been a monster class, IMO.

Weak class the year after elite 8 run. But following year he came back with Cook, Cuffe, Shaw and Diakite. All top 100 kids. Plus Bangura, a top transfer student. The next year he brought in Hatten and Eric King, who never panned out but was pretty highly ranked as I recall. He also brought in Ingrham, Showtime and Lamont Hamiltion. Not to shabby.

Darius Miles

 

[stjohnnie75]

Buffalo's rpi is 40 right behind STJ at 39.

and.....are you suggesting that UB is just as good as us and that Bobby Hurley is a better coach then Lav? I think its all ridiculous and again, lets wait until the season is over before anyone fires the guy. One question though, if anyone asked you if you'd be happy with the Johnnies at 19-9 with 3 games remaining before the BE tourney at the start of the season, I bet MOST of us would say sure. Anything can happen in the Dance and we will be there! These kids are right there, lets support the team and LAV now, you have all off season to tear down any walls.
Go Johnnies!!!!!

At the start of the season, the only thing any fan was willing to accept was at least a win or two in the NCAA's. One bid and 0 wins every four years is not acceptable. There is a very strong chance that next year's class will be underwhelming. Unless Lav performs an 11th hour miracle (and why he only has two commits so far is mind-boggling), there is a very good chance SJU will miss the NCAA's the next couple of years.

Dom's game has grown beautifully, and I wish the seniors all the best. But don't confuse this recent streak for anything close to a sustainable program.

Well put. I don't want to take away anything from the players on the court...I love the energy we've been seeing, and the emergence of Dom and Jordan. I would love to see this team not only make the tournament, but win at least one game. They deserve that feeling of accomplishment. Lav's body of work has not assured him of anything. His top accomplishments are a few scattered win streaks like the one we are in now. Our current win streak includes Xavier, Depaul, Seton Hall and Creighton. Last years Feb win streak included similar teams, but with one marquee win against #12 Creighton. One Big East Tournament Win, One NIT win, in four years. That's his 2 million a year resume. That's simply not good enough.

Dont chalk him up as nothing either. 1 tourney, 2 nits in 4 years at school who hasnt done anything worth mention for 10+years.

In the five years Lavin has been here we have won 11 games against this group of schools;
Cuse, Duke, nova, gtown, uconn, marquette

In the five years previous to lavin we had 5 combined wins.

Trust me im far from a lavin lover but he hasn't failed here imo. Due to his instant success, the expectations just rose too high. This group he has had now has improved their record every year. Maybe the volatile feel of the program was more a function of starting from scratch and maybe this next cycle will improve.

Gets to the tourney this year then no way he gets canned.

At the end of the day, the people who are paying him are the ultimately the ones who decide if he has succeeded or failed here. I have said all along, and I continue to say, that he should neither be fired nor extended this year, regardless of what happens. Lets see how we finish out the year and what kind of team he puts on the floor next year. There's really no need to rush that decision at this point. But for cryin out loud can we please stop comparing Lavin's tenure here to that of his predecessor? Norm is not the gage by which most reasonable SJU fans wish to judge Lavin. Only the apologists wish to do that.

I have to say that saying that we should not compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. Who do you want to compare Lavin's tenure to? Coach K? Jim Calhoun? Jimmy Boeheim? Of course it's fair to compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's! For all the obvious reasons. They both coached here is the most blatant one. It's only the Lavin haters who do not want to do that, because when you do compare Lavin's tenure to Norm's the differences are glaring. And in Lavin's favor.

Compare t to Jarvis' tenure too then:

Jarvis in five seasons:
1 Big East Championship, 1 Elite 8, 3 NCAAs, 1 NIT Championship
6-4 in BE Tourney
4-3 in NCAAs
5-0 in NIT
Total Postseason Record: 15-7

Lavin in almost five seasons:
ZERO Big East Titles, 1 NCAA Tournament, 2 NITS
1-4 in BE Tourney
1-2 in NIT
0-1 NCAAs
Total Postseason Record: 2-7

Only bringing up Jarvis because he was run out of town with a resume much better than "Lav" has amassed

You can all continue your mob mentality and start attacking me now.

I've always maintained, to jeers, is that as unlikeable as Jarvis was, and the fact that he self-destructed after failing to get the deal he wanted out of Michael Jordan in the NBA, that he had success here. He didn't start off badly, he just ended horribly. He deserves every negative commentary except that he had coaching ability and won here.

I'm with you, and furthermore he was not the horrible recruiter that some have made him out to be.

He did get some good recruits but I believe his class after the Elite 8 season was awful. What was it Orvis, Keita and Wolfinger? That should have been a monster class, IMO.

Weak class the year after elite 8 run. But following year he came back with Cook, Cuffe, Shaw and Diakite. All top 100 kids. Plus Bangura, a top transfer student. The next year he brought in Hatten and Eric King, who never panned out but was pretty highly ranked as I recall. He also brought in Ingrham, Showtime and Lamont Hamiltion. Not to shabby.

Darius Miles

Miles would have been fun to watch in college.

 

[tom in salem]

Loved Chaney.
He knew calipari was a scum bag 20 years ago.

 

[cappy105]

Jarvis had talent, but we all weren't screaming " Fire Jarvis " for nothing. I remember his time outs like yesterday....he'd call a time out and just stare at his players. The guys I were with would all be yelling "Call a damn play"...then after the horn....Cook throws up a 3 from long distance..."clank"....typical Jarvis time out.
Ill agree if Lav had those accomplishments he would get a 10 year deal though.
anyway....Go Johnnies!!!! Beat GTown!!

 

[Avon Barksdale]

Loved Chaney.
He knew calipari was a scum bag 20 years ago.

the same way some would here compare Villanova to ISIS (LOL) - because just like Nova does to SJU, UMass did to Temple - it was the men against the boys...so i suppose we can just name call when we realize we arent on that level, right? :cheer: