Next Coach?

Hold that job open. If Vill don't come back he may get run out of Philly.

If they lose it will be a monumental loss. Body language looks terrible and they are playing scared.
It is hard to believe and bad, very bad for the Big East. Best team taken apart by bottom feeder lucky to be in NC state, ACC team,
 
Let me throw this question out there: do we believe Lavin is a better coach today than he was five years ago?

Players learn and develop; coaches do too. It's been a turbulent few years – cancer, death of his father, loss of Dunlap, ups and downs in recruitment.

Do we believe Lavin is better prepared for the next five years than he was for his first five?

Marginally better in-game coach. Not as well prepared because recruits were better 5 yrs. ago.
 
To be clear on my change in position, what put me over the top was how the SDSU coach couldn't wipe that grin off his face and was almost laughing when he first discussed facing a "Lavin-led St. John's team." He was so relaxed in the halftime interview with that same stupid grin and his players were laughing. There is no doubt in my mind that he would have rather faced us than Buffalo if given the choice and that is sickening to me.

Buffalo was more competitive with a higher seed and a better team than we were with #8 SDSU, and Buffalo was much younger and the core pieces were assembled by Hurley weeks after he was hired.

How does Hurley find a 6'7 240 pound pf that averages 17.5 and 9.2 less than a month after he is hired when we have to start four guards against a team that starts four forwards?

Lavin did a tremendous job rescuing this program from complete obscurity and I am thankful to him for that. He had some bad breaks that weren't really his fault and that really hampered his ability to be successful.

In the end, I don't believe he is a good enough program architect and his style of play is too maddening for me to sign on for another handful of years while I see two exceptional younger coaches that have literally everything it takes to build and maintain a top 25 program. We can't miss out on them now or we will never have a chance to get back to where we once were.

You have the light finally, it's better late then never i guess
 
The thing about lavin versus norm was norm to be fired was a 2 to 3 year campaign to get rid of norm. I think 99% can agree that the norm project lasted one year too many. The schools patience for norm was borderline a breach of the schools fiduciary duty. As we look at getting rid of Lavin we must ask who will fit all the following boxes :

X and 0s
Player development
Media relations / alumni relations
National recruiter
Local recruiter
Respected by the aau crowd
Respected by local hs coaches
Able to discipline players while earning their respect
Sending players to the nba
Finally a winning record on his resume at various levels.

Lavin did very well with alumni/ media relations raised the level of recruits a little initially , but failed miserably with x and o's and failed to develop a big man. End of the day what you do on the court counts the most, my question is what coach that would be a good candidate checks off on almost of all the boxes and gets us deep into the tourney?
 
Let me throw this question out there: do we believe Lavin is a better coach today than he was five years ago?

Players learn and develop; coaches do too. It's been a turbulent few years – cancer, death of his father, loss of Dunlap, ups and downs in recruitment.

Do we believe Lavin is better prepared for the next five years than he was for his first five?
Based on his recruiting the last 2 years and no bigs in the fold for next year the answer has to be no. For a short time it looked like we had a coach who could recruit. Now we must keep an eye on summer school enrollees. I would love coach Lav back, but not without bigs who can play.
 
Let me throw this question out there: do we believe Lavin is a better coach today than he was five years ago?

Players learn and develop; coaches do too. It's been a turbulent few years – cancer, death of his father, loss of Dunlap, ups and downs in recruitment.

Do we believe Lavin is better prepared for the next five years than he was for his first five?

Even worse, how did he not improve simply from watching game footage for seven years? Surely he must have covered some good coaches during his time in the studio.
 
You don't win in the big leagues div 1 without NBA caliber players...Cluess would be like a CYO coach at this level.. We would be basement dwellers...The BC of the ACC

What players on Nova are NBA players?

NONE and that's why they are going home courtesy of a bubble team!!

Yea I'd rather lose as a 9 seed.
You're right
 
To be clear on my change in position, what put me over the top was how the SDSU coach couldn't wipe that grin off his face and was almost laughing when he first discussed facing a "Lavin-led St. John's team." He was so relaxed in the halftime interview with that same stupid grin and his players were laughing. There is no doubt in my mind that he would have rather faced us than Buffalo if given the choice and that is sickening to me.

Buffalo was more competitive with a higher seed and a better team than we were with #8 SDSU, and Buffalo was much younger and the core pieces were assembled by Hurley weeks after he was hired.

How does Hurley find a 6'7 240 pound pf that averages 17.5 and 9.2 less than a month after he is hired when we have to start four guards against a team that starts four forwards?

Lavin did a tremendous job rescuing this program from complete obscurity and I am thankful to him for that. He had some bad breaks that weren't really his fault and that really hampered his ability to be successful.

In the end, I don't believe he is a good enough program architect and his style of play is too maddening for me to sign on for another handful of years while I see two exceptional younger coaches that have literally everything it takes to build and maintain a top 25 program. We can't miss out on them now or we will never have a chance to get back to where we once were.

Marillac about face would be the equivalent of the minute after the innocent verdict came in, Johnnie Cochrane joining the DA's office to go after OJ for perjury.

Look at that Buffalo roster. They return everyone but two marginal players and bring in a tremendous recruiting class. They have an awesome big man that was the MAC player of the year and two young point guards that belong in the Big East. They are going from 23 to 30 wins almost certainly.

Why wait for Bobby Hurley to triple his suitors and double his salary demands. If there wasn't any risk, we probably wouldn't have a chance at him. What guard wouldn't want to play for Bobby Hurley...no chance Sampson renigs. It's probably our best chance to keep Sheed and CO as well. And you bet your ass, Amar wouldn't walk away from all those rolls to the basket empty handed if Bobby was coach.
 
To be clear on my change in position, what put me over the top was how the SDSU coach couldn't wipe that grin off his face and was almost laughing when he first discussed facing a "Lavin-led St. John's team." He was so relaxed in the halftime interview with that same stupid grin and his players were laughing. There is no doubt in my mind that he would have rather faced us than Buffalo if given the choice and that is sickening to me.

Buffalo was more competitive with a higher seed and a better team than we were with #8 SDSU, and Buffalo was much younger and the core pieces were assembled by Hurley weeks after he was hired.

How does Hurley find a 6'7 240 pound pf that averages 17.5 and 9.2 less than a month after he is hired when we have to start four guards against a team that starts four forwards?

Lavin did a tremendous job rescuing this program from complete obscurity and I am thankful to him for that. He had some bad breaks that weren't really his fault and that really hampered his ability to be successful.

In the end, I don't believe he is a good enough program architect and his style of play is too maddening for me to sign on for another handful of years while I see two exceptional younger coaches that have literally everything it takes to build and maintain a top 25 program. We can't miss out on them now or we will never have a chance to get back to where we once were.

You can youtube Steve Fisher he has always been the same in an interview, even after the Michigan thing so maybe he preferred Buffalo then as well. Bobby Hurley is at Buffalo for a reason, if he was as good as you are preaching why hasn't he gotten a better job in a much nicer climate? I mean it's not like he doesn't have friends in high places. I mean Coach K could sneeze and get him a major job in a second and schedule Duke against them!! You obviously need to brush up on your Bobby Hurley due diligence
 
You don't win in the big leagues div 1 without NBA caliber players...Cluess would be like a CYO coach at this level.. We would be basement dwellers...The BC of the ACC

What players on Nova are NBA players?

NONE and that's why they are going home courtesy of a bubble team!!

Yea I'd rather lose as a 9 seed.
You're right
Plus is there any real benefit to winning 30 games a year, finishing in first placr in the BE, and beating St. J's 2 or 3 times per season?
 
I think that if we get another coach, then Lavin will be gone by Friday. Why keep him any longer if SJU don't want him.

IF they are parting ways it probably gets announced after the Final Four next month. That would be my guess.
 
I think that if we get another coach, then Lavin will be gone by Friday. Why keep khim any longer if SJU knows that he's gone?

I think the decision one way or the other needs to come Tuesday the latest. Let the weekend of basketball finish and make your move. Hopefully some of the coaches still alive headed into next week decide they'd like a challenge.
 
I think that if we get another coach, then Lavin will be gone by Friday. Why keep him any longer if SJU don't want him.

IF they are parting ways it probably gets announced after the Final Four next month. That would be my guess.
Why would we need to wait until everyone else is done playing? The quicker you say goodbye the quicker the process of finding a replacement. Unless you want to wish him a Happy Easter and than fire him.
 
You don't win in the big leagues div 1 without NBA caliber players...Cluess would be like a CYO coach at this level.. We would be basement dwellers...The BC of the ACC

What players on Nova are NBA players?

NONE and that's why they are going home courtesy of a bubble team!!

Yea I'd rather lose as a 9 seed.
You're right
Plus is there any real benefit to winning 30 games a year, finishing in first placr in the BE, and beating St. J's 2 or 3 times per season?

Don't understand your point! Has nothing to do with the discussion. The point is the more NBA caliber talent the better the chance to win. NC state was a bubble team and has a couple NBA types and beat a 1 seed with none. I think it's much worse to lose as a 1 seed this early than losing as a 9 seed without your best defender and shot blocker. Nobody remembers the regular season it's about the dance
 
I think that if we get another coach, then Lavin will be gone by Friday. Why keep him any longer if SJU don't want him.

I agree. If Lavin is gone, we will know by e end of e week. If we don't hear anying by then, imeans hey ae still negotiang the size of his raise.

Hold on to your seats, ladies and gentlemen!
 
You don't win in the big leagues div 1 without NBA caliber players...Cluess would be like a CYO coach at this level.. We would be basement dwellers...The BC of the ACC

What players on Nova are NBA players?

NONE and that's why they are going home courtesy of a bubble team!!

Yea I'd rather lose as a 9 seed.
You're right
Plus is there any real benefit to winning 30 games a year, finishing in first placr in the BE, and beating St. J's 2 or 3 times per season?

Don't understand your point! Has nothing to do with the discussion. The point is the more NBA caliber talent the better the chance to win. NC state was a bubble team and has a couple NBA types and beat a 1 seed with none. I think it's much worse to lose as a 1 seed this early than losing as a 9 seed without your best defender and shot blocker. Nobody remembers the regular season it's about the dance
Agree post season is most important but real fans are fans of every game their team plays. Would you rather walk out of the Garden after beating Duke, Nova, the Cuse during the regular season or after losing to them?
 
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