Next Coach?

[Red.Fans]

Thats my point, Buffalo isn't getting an at large bid so everyone posting all these different Rpi numbers is irrelavant.

RPI is relevant as ONE factor that goes into consideration for an at large bid. I'm guessing their RPI is so high based upon playing Kentucky and Wisconsin.

Prevailing wisdom holds that at large are given to teams from one of the top 10 conferences and that SOS and how a team are trending are given weight both for bubble choices and for seeding. Other factors are non conf play; play away and on neutral courts and wins against top 50.

If you believe the official line from the NCAA, then it seems to me that head to head and results from our Duke and Gonzaga games which were versus our two highest out of conf (RPI) opponents - losses would be considered as positives. Not sure that the Nova loss could be construed as anything but negative. It states:

Among the resources available to the committee are complete box scores, game summaries and notes, pertinent information submitted on a team’s behalf by its conference, various computer rankings, head-to-head results, chronological results, Division I results, non-conference results, home, away and neutral results, rankings, polls and the NABC regional advisory committee rankings.

 

[cappy105]

Buffalo's rpi is 40 right behind STJ at 39.

and.....are you suggesting that UB is just as good as us and that Bobby Hurley is a better coach then Lav? I think its all ridiculous and again, lets wait until the season is over before anyone fires the guy. One question though, if anyone asked you if you'd be happy with the Johnnies at 19-9 with 3 games remaining before the BE tourney at the start of the season, I bet MOST of us would say sure. Anything can happen in the Dance and we will be there! These kids are right there, lets support the team and LAV now, you have all off season to tear down any walls.
Go Johnnies!!!!!

 

[beast of the east]

Buffalo's rpi is 40 right behind STJ at 39.

and.....are you suggesting that UB is just as good as us and that Bobby Hurley is a better coach then Lav? I think its all ridiculous and again, lets wait until the season is over before anyone fires the guy. One question though, if anyone asked you if you'd be happy with the Johnnies at 19-9 with 3 games remaining before the BE tourney at the start of the season, I bet MOST of us would say sure. Anything can happen in the Dance and we will be there! These kids are right there, lets support the team and LAV now, you have all off season to tear down any walls.
Go Johnnies!!!!!

No way Lavin gets fired this season, unless there is an attractive buyout that will allow remainder to fund the new coach AND the team falls apart over the next 3 games and BET

 

[redfan259999888]

Buffalo's rpi is 40 right behind STJ at 39.

and.....are you suggesting that UB is just as good as us and that Bobby Hurley is a better coach then Lav? I think its all ridiculous and again, lets wait until the season is over before anyone fires the guy. One question though, if anyone asked you if you'd be happy with the Johnnies at 19-9 with 3 games remaining before the BE tourney at the start of the season, I bet MOST of us would say sure. Anything can happen in the Dance and we will be there! These kids are right there, lets support the team and LAV now, you have all off season to tear down any walls.
Go Johnnies!!!!!

No way Lavin gets fired this season, unless there is an attractive buyout that will allow remainder to fund the new coach AND the team falls apart over the next 3 games and BET

Beasts, either one of two things will happen. He'll be let go after this year, or he'll get gan extension after this year.
I'd be shocked if he's coaching next year without any idea if he'll be here or not the following year.
Also, that couldn't be a good thing when recruiting, who would come?

 

[firestorm]

Buffalo's rpi is 40 right behind STJ at 39.

and.....are you suggesting that UB is just as good as us and that Bobby Hurley is a better coach then Lav? I think its all ridiculous and again, lets wait until the season is over before anyone fires the guy. One question though, if anyone asked you if you'd be happy with the Johnnies at 19-9 with 3 games remaining before the BE tourney at the start of the season, I bet MOST of us would say sure. Anything can happen in the Dance and we will be there! These kids are right there, lets support the team and LAV now, you have all off season to tear down any walls.
Go Johnnies!!!!!

No way Lavin gets fired this season, unless there is an attractive buyout that will allow remainder to fund the new coach AND the team falls apart over the next 3 games and BET

Beasts, either one of two things will happen. He'll be let go after this year, or he'll get gan extension after this year.
I'd be shocked if he's coaching next year without any idea if he'll be here or not the following year.
Also, that couldn't be a good thing when recruiting, who would come?

Barring an implosion, it's hard to imagine change happening this year. The record is reasonable, an NCAA appearance is likely and right now we have happy fans having a love-in with the graduating class.

On and off the court, we talk about the development we've seen in Harrison and and Pointer. Maybe we're seeing a similar progression from Jordan and Obekpa. Lavin seems to be finding a balance between fielding a competitive team and living up the expectations of the school.

Sure, we might be undermanned next year. Or we might keep Jordan, Obekpa and see Lavin pull a couple more rabbits out of a hat to put a decent team together.

 

[1and1sju]

Buffalo's rpi is 40 right behind STJ at 39.

and.....are you suggesting that UB is just as good as us and that Bobby Hurley is a better coach then Lav? I think its all ridiculous and again, lets wait until the season is over before anyone fires the guy. One question though, if anyone asked you if you'd be happy with the Johnnies at 19-9 with 3 games remaining before the BE tourney at the start of the season, I bet MOST of us would say sure. Anything can happen in the Dance and we will be there! These kids are right there, lets support the team and LAV now, you have all off season to tear down any walls.
Go Johnnies!!!!!

No way Lavin gets fired this season, unless there is an attractive buyout that will allow remainder to fund the new coach AND the team falls apart over the next 3 games and BET

I don't want to have a long discussion about this, but I think all options are still on the table BEAST. I truly believe President Gempeshaw will evaluate everything after this season.
And it'll be his decision to make.
So unless anyone has asked him personally, and I doubt he's tipped his hand, then we really don't know.

 

[action264]

Buffalo's rpi is 40 right behind STJ at 39.

and.....are you suggesting that UB is just as good as us and that Bobby Hurley is a better coach then Lav? I think its all ridiculous and again, lets wait until the season is over before anyone fires the guy. One question though, if anyone asked you if you'd be happy with the Johnnies at 19-9 with 3 games remaining before the BE tourney at the start of the season, I bet MOST of us would say sure. Anything can happen in the Dance and we will be there! These kids are right there, lets support the team and LAV now, you have all off season to tear down any walls.
Go Johnnies!!!!!

At the start of the season, the only thing any fan was willing to accept was at least a win or two in the NCAA's. One bid and 0 wins every four years is not acceptable. There is a very strong chance that next year's class will be underwhelming. Unless Lav performs an 11th hour miracle (and why he only has two commits so far is mind-boggling), there is a very good chance SJU will miss the NCAA's the next couple of years.

Dom's game has grown beautifully, and I wish the seniors all the best. But don't confuse this recent streak for anything close to a sustainable program.

 

[simplyred]

Buffalo's rpi is 40 right behind STJ at 39.

and.....are you suggesting that UB is just as good as us and that Bobby Hurley is a better coach then Lav? I think its all ridiculous and again, lets wait until the season is over before anyone fires the guy. One question though, if anyone asked you if you'd be happy with the Johnnies at 19-9 with 3 games remaining before the BE tourney at the start of the season, I bet MOST of us would say sure. Anything can happen in the Dance and we will be there! These kids are right there, lets support the team and LAV now, you have all off season to tear down any walls.
Go Johnnies!!!!!

At the start of the season, the only thing any fan was willing to accept was at least a win or two in the NCAA's. One bid and 0 wins every four years is not acceptable. There is a very strong chance that next year's class will be underwhelming. Unless Lav performs an 11th hour miracle (and why he only has two commits so far is mind-boggling), there is a very good chance SJU will miss the NCAA's the next couple of years.

Dom's game has grown beautifully, and I wish the seniors all the best. But don't confuse this recent streak for anything close to a sustainable program.

Any fan?

 

[austour]

Buffalo's rpi is 40 right behind STJ at 39.

and.....are you suggesting that UB is just as good as us and that Bobby Hurley is a better coach then Lav? I think its all ridiculous and again, lets wait until the season is over before anyone fires the guy. One question though, if anyone asked you if you'd be happy with the Johnnies at 19-9 with 3 games remaining before the BE tourney at the start of the season, I bet MOST of us would say sure. Anything can happen in the Dance and we will be there! These kids are right there, lets support the team and LAV now, you have all off season to tear down any walls.
Go Johnnies!!!!!

At the start of the season, the only thing any fan was willing to accept was at least a win or two in the NCAA's. One bid and 0 wins every four years is not acceptable. There is a very strong chance that next year's class will be underwhelming. Unless Lav performs an 11th hour miracle (and why he only has two commits so far is mind-boggling), there is a very good chance SJU will miss the NCAA's the next couple of years.

Dom's game has grown beautifully, and I wish the seniors all the best. But don't confuse this recent streak for anything close to a sustainable program.

Any fan?

I think he meant every fan and most casual observers who don't even know who Max Hooper was.

 

[we are sju]

For the most part I view Lavin as a talking Bobble head, however if we make the tourney he deserves an extension and all of this talk is silly.

 

[stjohnschris]

Buffalo's rpi is 40 right behind STJ at 39.

and.....are you suggesting that UB is just as good as us and that Bobby Hurley is a better coach then Lav? I think its all ridiculous and again, lets wait until the season is over before anyone fires the guy. One question though, if anyone asked you if you'd be happy with the Johnnies at 19-9 with 3 games remaining before the BE tourney at the start of the season, I bet MOST of us would say sure. Anything can happen in the Dance and we will be there! These kids are right there, lets support the team and LAV now, you have all off season to tear down any walls.
Go Johnnies!!!!!

At the start of the season, the only thing any fan was willing to accept was at least a win or two in the NCAA's. One bid and 0 wins every four years is not acceptable. There is a very strong chance that next year's class will be underwhelming. Unless Lav performs an 11th hour miracle (and why he only has two commits so far is mind-boggling), there is a very good chance SJU will miss the NCAA's the next couple of years.

Dom's game has grown beautifully, and I wish the seniors all the best. But don't confuse this recent streak for anything close to a sustainable program.

Well put. I don't want to take away anything from the players on the court...I love the energy we've been seeing, and the emergence of Dom and Jordan. I would love to see this team not only make the tournament, but win at least one game. They deserve that feeling of accomplishment. Lav's body of work has not assured him of anything. His top accomplishments are a few scattered win streaks like the one we are in now. Our current win streak includes Xavier, Depaul, Seton Hall and Creighton. Last years Feb win streak included similar teams, but with one marquee win against #12 Creighton. One Big East Tournament Win, One NIT win, in four years. That's his 2 million a year resume. That's simply not good enough.

 

[redfan259999888]

For the most part I view Lavin as a talking Bobble head, however if we make the tourney he deserves an extension and all of this talk is silly.

Plus, he needs top recruits. Can't get just get into the ncaa but Lovett, Diallo, and others don't come, and extend him. Would there be any hope for the future? I don't think so.
The Ncaa touny would be step 1, recruits would be step 2. If he gets both done, then and only then he should get an extension.

 

[Red2395]

Coach Lavin was hired the same time as Mike Rice at Rutgers and Willard at Seton Hall.
Our program has had better results and is moving in a better direction.

For me the gold standard is Nova. I believe if we stay the course Coach Lavin can get us to that Gold Standard.
We are not Duke, Kentucky.
Lavin is good for St. John's.

 

[we are sju]

For the most part I view Lavin as a talking Bobble head, however if we make the tourney he deserves an extension and all of this talk is silly.

Plus, he needs top recruits. Can't get just get into the ncaa but Lovett, Diallo, and others don't come, and extend him. Would there be any hope for the future? I don't think so.
The Ncaa touny would be step 1, recruits would be step 2. If he gets both done, then and only then he should get an extension.

Two NCAA's and 2 NIT's in 5 years coming off the end of Jarvis era and the atrocious Norm error is enough to get an extension.

 

[Knight]

I don't think that we should consider a place in the NIT as a positive. Not what it used to be when NCAA had a smaller field.

 

[tom in salem]

Buffalo's rpi is 40 right behind STJ at 39.

and.....are you suggesting that UB is just as good as us and that Bobby Hurley is a better coach then Lav? I think its all ridiculous and again, lets wait until the season is over before anyone fires the guy. One question though, if anyone asked you if you'd be happy with the Johnnies at 19-9 with 3 games remaining before the BE tourney at the start of the season, I bet MOST of us would say sure. Anything can happen in the Dance and we will be there! These kids are right there, lets support the team and LAV now, you have all off season to tear down any walls.
Go Johnnies!!!!!

At the start of the season, the only thing any fan was willing to accept was at least a win or two in the NCAA's. One bid and 0 wins every four years is not acceptable. There is a very strong chance that next year's class will be underwhelming. Unless Lav performs an 11th hour miracle (and why he only has two commits so far is mind-boggling), there is a very good chance SJU will miss the NCAA's the next couple of years.

Dom's game has grown beautifully, and I wish the seniors all the best. But don't confuse this recent streak for anything close to a sustainable program.

Well put. I don't want to take away anything from the players on the court...I love the energy we've been seeing, and the emergence of Dom and Jordan. I would love to see this team not only make the tournament, but win at least one game. They deserve that feeling of accomplishment. Lav's body of work has not assured him of anything. His top accomplishments are a few scattered win streaks like the one we are in now. Our current win streak includes Xavier, Depaul, Seton Hall and Creighton. Last years Feb win streak included similar teams, but with one marquee win against #12 Creighton. One Big East Tournament Win, One NIT win, in four years. That's his 2 million a year resume. That's simply not good enough.

You thought his first 2 teams should have danced?

 

[redfan259999888]

For the most part I view Lavin as a talking Bobble head, however if we make the tourney he deserves an extension and all of this talk is silly.

Plus, he needs top recruits. Can't get just get into the ncaa but Lovett, Diallo, and others don't come, and extend him. Would there be any hope for the future? I don't think so.
The Ncaa touny would be step 1, recruits would be step 2. If he gets both done, then and only then he should get an extension.

Two NCAA's and 2 NIT's in 5 years coming off the end of Jarvis era and the atrocious Norm error is enough to get an extension.

lol at the nit, great accomplishment. Yea, well Villanova isn't Duke and Kansas yet they are always in the ncaa. The nit will never be good enough. You sound like obama, blaming the previous man even though it was yearsss ago.
You settle for the nit, I won't.
Like I said NCAA and top recruits, then he's deserves an extention. EARN IT.

omgomg but he's our last hope. You people need to stop that silly talk.
Like Mullin said: "We could be big time again. " With the right coach we could be.

I'm not against Lavin staying here, I just want results and that isn't just for this year.

 

[shamsman2]

I think last year was the only bad year of Lavin's tenure at SJU from a coaching and recruiting standpoint. We were so young the other years, I didn't have much expectations as many did here, so NIT's were fine.

I think he has done a good job coaching this year and expect his recruiting to keep pace. PLus he coaches an exciting brand of ball, fun to watch.

 

[Avon Barksdale]

For the most part I view Lavin as a talking Bobble head, however if we make the tourney he deserves an extension and all of this talk is silly.

Plus, he needs top recruits. Can't get just get into the ncaa but Lovett, Diallo, and others don't come, and extend him. Would there be any hope for the future? I don't think so.
The Ncaa touny would be step 1, recruits would be step 2. If he gets both done, then and only then he should get an extension.

Two NCAA's and 2 NIT's in 5 years coming off the end of Jarvis era and the atrocious Norm error is enough to get an extension.

lol at the nit, great accomplishment. Yea, well Villanova isn't Duke and Kansas yet they are always in the ncaa. The nit will never be good enough. You sound like obama, blaming the previous man even though it was yearsss ago.
You settle for the nit, I won't.
Like I said NCAA and top recruits, then he's deserves an extention. EARN IT.

omgomg but he's our last hope. You people need to stop that silly talk.
Like Mullin said: "We could be big time again. " With the right coach we could be.

I'm not against Lavin staying here, I just want results and that isn't just for this year.

the first NIT we were 8-5 in the league and we finished 0-5 in the league and lost to Nova in the BET to have a 6 game losing streak prior to getting into the NIT. At 8-5 we were on the bubble and the team completely collapsed. Winning a game against St Joes was nice but to go from 8-5 to lucky to be in the NIT is not a great accomplishment.

Last years team had every major contributor on this team, plus Orlando Sanchez and Jakaar and we not only did we miss the NCAAs with a team loaded with talent (the most talented SJU team since 1999-2000 easily), we get waxed in the NIT against Robert Morris.

And for this team to be on the bubble all year with the talent on the roster?...also underachieving.

 

[Red2395]

For the most part I view Lavin as a talking Bobble head, however if we make the tourney he deserves an extension and all of this talk is silly.

Plus, he needs top recruits. Can't get just get into the ncaa but Lovett, Diallo, and others don't come, and extend him. Would there be any hope for the future? I don't think so.
The Ncaa touny would be step 1, recruits would be step 2. If he gets both done, then and only then he should get an extension.

Two NCAA's and 2 NIT's in 5 years coming off the end of Jarvis era and the atrocious Norm error is enough to get an extension.

lol at the nit, great accomplishment. Yea, well Villanova isn't Duke and Kansas yet they are always in the ncaa. The nit will never be good enough. You sound like obama, blaming the previous man even though it was yearsss ago.
You settle for the nit, I won't.
Like I said NCAA and top recruits, then he's deserves an extention. EARN IT.

omgomg but he's our last hope. You people need to stop that silly talk.
Like Mullin said: "We could be big time again. " With the right coach we could be.

I'm not against Lavin staying here, I just want results and that isn't just for this year.

Not sure anyone is saying that making the NIT is a GREAT accomplishment, but it is a accomplishment.
Winning the NIT is a Great accomplishment IMO..
Winning the NIT under Louie & Jarvis were good moments in the history of St John's Basketball.