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Barf.
I guess you are saying Lavin can coach but can't recruit? That sweet-16 caliber team lost an opening round game in the NIT, which they squeaked into.
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Barf.
I guess you are saying Lavin can coach but can't recruit? That sweet-16 caliber team lost an opening round game in the NIT, which they squeaked into.
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His compensation was part of Lavin's contract negotiations. Don't expect him on the bench if Lavin's contract is extended. Besides, without the combover he is useless on the bench.
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When Carrington signed Seton Hall had already Sina and Gibbs. Then Whitehead signed, too.
St. John´s backcourt this season is better, but Seton Hall has a good backcourt. And Carrington is playing (and playing well).
Next year we won´t have Harrison, Greene and Branch.
So I don´t believe that Carrington didn´t come because he was not going to play.
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No doubt? NO doubt at all? I'm sure you hang around the gym, work in the locker room, are at practices and in the huddle. The same Mike Dunlap that coached HIS team to a 6-12 record the very next year. The same guy no big programs lined up for after Michael Jordan (a fringe player when it comes to his front office ability) fired after one season?
Actually, I could give a crap who was on the bench for Lavin - it's his coaching staff and he hired them. I couldn't care if the team manager was the next Wooden and coaching the team to victories. But I do care that people conveniently give all the credit to Dunlap for 2010-2011 and fail to criticize him for the horrible season when he had the reigns, unless of course Dunlap's coaching ability had cancer that year.
No, I wasn't commenting on Lavin's coaching at all.
Just that we have this myth that's been perpetuated that Norm left Lavin with a terrible situation.
And yes, in terms of the classes being even, it was pretty awful. But the flipside of that was that Norm left him with talent that, with the right coaching, could make a big splash right away.
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Lavin was left with a senior laden team, and really did a great job changing roles, and identifying Norm favorites who should have been fringe players (Boothe, Evans). I don't believe for a second that it was Sweet 16 talent, but everyone has an opinion, so not knocking yours. Norm had a roster full of mid-level talent, giving credence to Monte's suggestion that we recruit 3* talent heavily as well. But a roster full of 3* talent will only show signs of life as upperclassmen, but even then Roberts would have coached them into oblivion. The best thing that team had going for them (beyond Kennedy, Hardy, Horne, and Brownlee, was a depth laden bench of upperclassmen, 3 of which had been starters in their SJU careers.
Some people did criticize Dunlap during his lone season as the head coach. I wouldn't doubt some of 'em are the same ones now giving him credit for the 2010-2011 season.
This board reminds me during the days when I was 4 and 5 years old, and the school took the kindergartners to the state fair for an educational trip.
We'd be over by the animals, and the smell was so foul from their dung (particularly, the pigs and cows) that several kids would verbally state how stink it was in that area. Most, if not all, of us couldn't wait to get the heck from there.
A bunch of shite that continues to recycle itself, and eventually run folks off by the constant stench.
I hear ya beast, but a roster with a nice mix of talent should have a number of upperclassmen on it every year. So its not like we should have to wait every 4 years for a team to gel, as has been the case with this team and with Lavin's first team.
What was your first clue?
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Yea, thats turned to my hope as well.
He's a city kid who didn't choose SJU so everyone gets their panties in a twist
Moose its more than that. He represents the kind of NYC/NJ 3 star/4 year(likely) kid than many of us feel we should have on our roster. FWIW I think he would have gotten around 20 MPG this year, and way more next year, had he come here.
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He's a city kid who didn't choose SJU so everyone gets their panties in a twist
Moose its more than that. He represents the kind of NYC/NJ 3 star/4 year(likely) kid than many of us feel we should have on our roster. FWIW I think he would have gotten around 20 MPG this year, and way more next year, had he come here.
You play or you sit by what show and earn in practice. Seniority should have zero to do with deciding how many minutes you play. I want players and recruits who have the confidence that they can play and earn minutes. I am not sure our staff recognize that quality after the 50 lineup changes last year but I hope they learn from their mistakes going forward. As for Carrington he has shown he could have played ahead of Branch but that is history.