Next Coach?

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@NYPost_Brazille: Steve Masiello would make a lot of sense for #sjubb, and he's interested:http://t.co/0k15YvIvOy

thanks. just threw up my breakfast

Does everyone hate Mas b/c he lied on his resume, or just b/c you think he is a bad coach?

The only positive about Masiello, imo, is that this might really be a destination for him, rather than a pit stop. As far as coaching ability, I enjoy seeing him beat Iona in the MAAC championship each year but, other than that, I haven't seen enough to say he is a good coach. I will admit, however, that I have always been a big fan of Pitino and think that he has produce good coaches. My biggest problem is that I get a creepy feeling each time I look at him.

Good point on "destination" for him.

Not sure about that. Fraschilla campaigned for the HC job as NYC native, lifelong follower of the program, and that St. John's was his dream job, the only one he would ever want. We all know how that ended.

 

[paultzman]

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@NYPost_Brazille: Steve Masiello would make a lot of sense for #sjubb, and he's interested:http://t.co/0k15YvIvOy

thanks. just threw up my breakfast

Does everyone hate Mas b/c he lied on his resume, or just b/c you think he is a bad coach?

The only positive about Masiello, imo, is that this might really be a destination for him, rather than a pit stop. As far as coaching ability, I enjoy seeing him beat Iona in the MAAC championship each year but, other than that, I haven't seen enough to say he is a good coach. I will admit, however, that I have always been a big fan of Pitino and think that he has produce good coaches. My biggest problem is that I get a creepy feeling each time I look at him.

Good point on "destination" for him.

Not sure about that. Fraschilla campaigned for the HC job as NYC native, lifelong follower of the program, and that St. John's was his dream job, the only one he would ever want. We all know how that ended.

You're right, you never know.

 

[beast of the east]

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@NYPost_Brazille: Steve Masiello would make a lot of sense for #sjubb, and he's interested:http://t.co/0k15YvIvOy

thanks. just threw up my breakfast

Does everyone hate Mas b/c he lied on his resume, or just b/c you think he is a bad coach?

The only positive about Masiello, imo, is that this might really be a destination for him, rather than a pit stop. As far as coaching ability, I enjoy seeing him beat Iona in the MAAC championship each year but, other than that, I haven't seen enough to say he is a good coach. I will admit, however, that I have always been a big fan of Pitino and think that he has produce good coaches. My biggest problem is that I get a creepy feeling each time I look at him.

Good point on "destination" for him.

Not sure about that. Fraschilla campaigned for the HC job as NYC native, lifelong follower of the program, and that St. John's was his dream job, the only one he would ever want. We all know how that ended.

Substitute Norm Roberts for Fraschilla, and the pitch was the same

 

[Knight]

Waiting for a new coach, I feel like I am at a dentist's appointment, waiting for my turn but dreading my time in the chair.

 

[mjmaherjr]

Waiting for a new coach, I feel like I am at a dentist's appointment, waiting for my turn but dreading my time in the chair.

Wish I had some of that nitrous oxide on hand in my house for these sju drama days

 

[weathermannyc]

I can imagine if you etched your address on your phone if you lose it someone will not only return it, but put a few bucks in the envelope also

I actually thought I lost my phone a couple of days ago. Was freaking out. Not because I lost it but was worried verizon didn't have any more non-data flip phones.

Luckily I found it and can say with 100% certainty that I won't be getting a new phone until this breaks or I lose it. I've only had 2 phones in the last 15 years or so. Both verizon lg. The 1st was that little silver one which was virtually unbreakable when you dropped it and then this one

If I had a dollar for every time verizon called or emailed me offering me free upgrade I could pay a Pitino contract for us

Verizon still has non-data flip phones. My Mom got one for Christmas.

 

[OLV72]

So per Zags little Pitino is letting it be known he's not interested. Hope these other "candidates" at least have an interest.

 

[Knight]

So per Zags little Pitino is letting it be known he's not interested. Hope these other "candidates" at least have an interest.

Please no jokes on this thread. :woohoo:

 

[mjmaherjr]

So per Zags little Pitino is letting it be known he's not interested. Hope these other "candidates" at least have an interest.

Above the belt Pitino or below the belt pitino ?

 

[mjmaherjr]

So per Zags little Pitino is letting it be known he's not interested. Hope these other "candidates" at least have an interest.

Please no jokes on this thread. :woohoo:

too late

 

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@NYPost_Brazille: Steve Masiello would make a lot of sense for #sjubb, and he's interested:http://t.co/0k15YvIvOy

thanks. just threw up my breakfast

Does everyone hate Mas b/c he lied on his resume, or just b/c you think he is a bad coach?

The only positive about Masiello, imo, is that this might really be a destination for him, rather than a pit stop. As far as coaching ability, I enjoy seeing him beat Iona in the MAAC championship each year but, other than that, I haven't seen enough to say he is a good coach. I will admit, however, that I have always been a big fan of Pitino and think that he has produce good coaches. My biggest problem is that I get a creepy feeling each time I look at him.

Good point on "destination" for him.

Not sure about that. Fraschilla campaigned for the HC job as NYC native, lifelong follower of the program, and that St. John's was his dream job, the only one he would ever want. We all know how that ended.

Substitute Norm Roberts for Fraschilla, and the pitch was the same

Except in Norm's case, I think it was true.

 

[austour]

2014-Best College Basketball Coaches for the Money$

Thanks for that. Reminded me about Randy Bennett, a guy I brought up a week or so ago who is head and shoulders above anyone being discussed. Doubt he'd move east but just saying.

 

[JohnnyFan]

Please, please, no Masiello. Have we not had enough drama? Stay away from the hot head who lied about his college degree.

Regarding Mullin, he is my all-time favorite basketball player. I am simply not capable of saying anything negative about him. That said, how do any of us know he can coach? It is a completely different skill and, for all we know, he could be terrible at it. Do we really want to take that risk now? Not only would it be an awful time to fail, but we would then have to fire the program's greatest legend.

So, for me, no Mullin.

 

[MJDinkins]

who are examples of great X and O guys?

Izzo, coach K, Rick Pitino, Few, Bo Ryan, Miller. Almost all the guys still working in the elite 8. And several more

I'll agree with you, as those are coaches who I believe are solid tacticians. Though, the jury is still out on Miller (as far, as being a solid tactician), IMO. But I do like him as a coach.

 

[redfan259999888]

Cluess will only be an option if Mullin, both Hurleys, and then several second-tier candidates are unavailable or uninterested. For whatever reason, he is not viewed as a realistic candidate for the SJU job (except by some posters here and elsewhere).

I agree that the job probably won't got to Cluess. Seems eerily similar to the Bob McKillop situation overs the years.

Can't possibly see how either Hurley has a better resume than Cluess. I'd like to see what either does when key players leave and they have to restock. One good year does not make a sustainable program. Cluess' programs have all been sustainable

So you want the college version of D'Antono? uhhh no ty

 

[OLV72]

Please, please, no Masiello. Have we not had enough drama? Stay away from the hot head who lied about his college degree.

Regarding Mullin, he is my all-time favorite basketball player. I am simply not capable of saying anything negative about him. That said, how do any of us know he can coach? It is a completely different skill and, for all we know, he could be terrible at it. Do we really want to take that risk now? Not only would it be an awful time to fail, but we would then have to fire the program's greatest legend.

So, for me, no Mullin.[/quote

So you're negative on Mullin?

 

[lawmanfan]

Actually, I'd prefer Mullin over the Hurleys at this juncture. I'm not sure about either Mullin or the Hurleys, but there is a calmness and coolness about Mullin that I like.

Beast and MCN (on the other board) covered it well when it comes to Mullen, errrr, Mullin. Not to mention, I'd be all in for the potential staff he'd bring along. Give Mullin a decent tactician to aide him along, then I think we may be a good to go.

As, far as X's and O's.... It's important. But many times it's overrated, and generally folks on here (and, on most message boards) spout it off to make it seem they have an idea what they're talking about. There aren't many, masterful tactician's. There are far, more average X's and O's coaches, than they are good or masterful. Generally, it's all about the Jimmy's and the Joe's.

Does any of you watch UNC play? I watch 'em play often. Roy Williams is about as average as they can get when it comes to X's and O's. Yeah.... Let's go zone when Wisconsin is rallying and have all the momentum, and Kaminsky precisely knocks down a trey to tie the game. The rest of it is history. This is just one example.

You know what usually separate Roy Williams? He generally has a ton of 5-star and McDonald's AA's at his disposal, along with a competent PG, a couple of knockdown shooters, and an inside presence. To his credit, he brought in those players and had to coach 'em. But he's not what you would consider to be an X's and O's guy.

If you've noticed, when he has won championships, it's been with an extremely, experienced team that was loaded with kids who were rated #1 or #2 at their respective positions' when they came out of HS. Kids who were juniors and seniors.

A competent X's and O's will do. Not a poor one. But average-to-above average will do, as long as you have the Jimmy's and Joe's.

I know I've rambled a bit and gotten a bit off topic, but I'd rather have Mullin at this point, IF the staff being mentioned is the one he brings along with him.

**My opinion is subject to change, based on any, new info that pops up**

Good post, which I agree with - to a point.

Your preference for a more "laid back" coach isn't surprising given your affection for Lavin. That isn't a factor for me, because I've seen both styles succeed, as have you.

I don't think it's a case of X and O vs Jimmy and Joe. They both matter.

Lavin got to a certain point with the Jimmys and Joe's and just about no X and O. There are lots of coaches who can get to the same place with good X and O and lesser Jimmy and Joe.

My personal preference is to get there by by the latter route, not the former. To me, better basketball is more fun to watch. If all you care about is the result, or you would rather watch superior athletes and less structure, I can't argue that. It's just a matter of taste.

I will say that I think structure provides a better basis for long term success.

However to get to the top, you usually need both. Kentucky, Kansas, and North Carolina have gotten there with superior athletes and mediocre tactics. But so have programs with athletes a notch below and superior coaching. Try Michigan State or Wisconsin.

Mullin might be great. I certainly wouldn't bet against him. Danny Hurley has the longest track record of coaching success. And Bobby Hurley has exceptional recent success, a big name, and cachet.

While all are options, I think Danny is clearly the safest choice, while Chis is the riskiest.

YMMV

 

[MJDinkins]

Actually, I'd prefer Mullin over the Hurleys at this juncture. I'm not sure about either Mullin or the Hurleys, but there is a calmness and coolness about Mullin that I like.

Beast and MCN (on the other board) covered it well when it comes to Mullen, errrr, Mullin. Not to mention, I'd be all in for the potential staff he'd bring along. Give Mullin a decent tactician to aide him along, then I think we may be a good to go.

As, far as X's and O's.... It's important. But many times it's overrated, and generally folks on here (and, on most message boards) spout it off to make it seem they have an idea what they're talking about. There aren't many, masterful tactician's. There are far, more average X's and O's coaches, than they are good or masterful. Generally, it's all about the Jimmy's and the Joe's.

Does any of you watch UNC play? I watch 'em play often. Roy Williams is about as average as they can get when it comes to X's and O's. Yeah.... Let's go zone when Wisconsin is rallying and have all the momentum, and Kaminsky precisely knocks down a trey to tie the game. The rest of it is history. This is just one example.

You know what usually separate Roy Williams? He generally has a ton of 5-star and McDonald's AA's at his disposal, along with a competent PG, a couple of knockdown shooters, and an inside presence. To his credit, he brought in those players and had to coach 'em. But he's not what you would consider to be an X's and O's guy.

If you've noticed, when he has won championships, it's been with an extremely, experienced team that was loaded with kids who were rated #1 or #2 at their respective positions' when they came out of HS. Kids who were juniors and seniors.

A competent X's and O's will do. Not a poor one. But average-to-above average will do, as long as you have the Jimmy's and Joe's.

I know I've rambled a bit and gotten a bit off topic, but I'd rather have Mullin at this point, IF the staff being mentioned is the one he brings along with him.

**My opinion is subject to change, based on any, new info that pops up**

With all due respect, I don't agree. there may be few tacticians, but the coaches still playing now in the elite 8 are all brilliant tacticians except for maybe Cal.

The idea that Roy Williams isn't a great X and O guy, but won when he had the top high school players is exactly the point. Recruiting the best players in the country has not been what St. John's has done since Mullin and Berry. And it's not likely to happen going forward, so we need a coaching staff who can develop 3 and 4 star players, teach the game and recruit the occasional 5 star player.

Agree with Dink that Williams is not a great tactician(have always felt that way), and agree with your recruiting philosophy. There's only a handful of teams who continuously restock their roster with 4 and 5 star talent. I think its unreasonable for us to expect our next coach to be able to do that, nor do I think its necessary in order for us to achieve sustained success. The programs run by Bo Ryan, Mark Few, etc are what we should model ourselves after IMO

I still believe St. John's, with the right person at the helm, can attract 4 and 5-star kids. Can they do it on the same level, as a Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, UNC, and the likes? Nah.... But I think they are capable of doing it. Lavin showed it can be done.

There's only been one team to win an NCAA championship without a McDonald's AA (2000-2001 Maryland Terrapins), and they were not only extremely experienced, but there was a few 4 and 5-star players (ie, Byron Mouton, Lonny Baxter, Steve Blake, Chris Wilcox, Tahj Holden) on their roster.

I don't believe we're gonna ever to be consistently stockpile our team with 4 and 5-star types, but there are occasions where it can be done. Give me a mixture of those types, along with a handful of 3-star kids, and that'll suit me.

 

[redfan259999888]

I feel like some on here aren't willing to accept that it will be 2-3 years before we are competitive again. I don't mind it, we are rebuilding. I am fine with Danny or Mullin to come in and rebuild the program

unless we hire a sure bet, it will be 2-3yrs. if we're competitive sooner, then it will be a pleasant surprise.

 

[lawmanfan]

Actually, I'd prefer Mullin over the Hurleys at this juncture. I'm not sure about either Mullin or the Hurleys, but there is a calmness and coolness about Mullin that I like.

Beast and MCN (on the other board) covered it well when it comes to Mullen, errrr, Mullin. Not to mention, I'd be all in for the potential staff he'd bring along. Give Mullin a decent tactician to aide him along, then I think we may be a good to go.

As, far as X's and O's.... It's important. But many times it's overrated, and generally folks on here (and, on most message boards) spout it off to make it seem they have an idea what they're talking about. There aren't many, masterful tactician's. There are far, more average X's and O's coaches, than they are good or masterful. Generally, it's all about the Jimmy's and the Joe's.

Does any of you watch UNC play? I watch 'em play often. Roy Williams is about as average as they can get when it comes to X's and O's. Yeah.... Let's go zone when Wisconsin is rallying and have all the momentum, and Kaminsky precisely knocks down a trey to tie the game. The rest of it is history. This is just one example.

You know what usually separate Roy Williams? He generally has a ton of 5-star and McDonald's AA's at his disposal, along with a competent PG, a couple of knockdown shooters, and an inside presence. To his credit, he brought in those players and had to coach 'em. But he's not what you would consider to be an X's and O's guy.

If you've noticed, when he has won championships, it's been with an extremely, experienced team that was loaded with kids who were rated #1 or #2 at their respective positions' when they came out of HS. Kids who were juniors and seniors.

A competent X's and O's will do. Not a poor one. But average-to-above average will do, as long as you have the Jimmy's and Joe's.

I know I've rambled a bit and gotten a bit off topic, but I'd rather have Mullin at this point, IF the staff being mentioned is the one he brings along with him.

**My opinion is subject to change, based on any, new info that pops up**

With all due respect, I don't agree. there may be few tacticians, but the coaches still playing now in the elite 8 are all brilliant tacticians except for maybe Cal.

The idea that Roy Williams isn't a great X and O guy, but won when he had the top high school players is exactly the point. Recruiting the best players in the country has not been what St. John's has done since Mullin and Berry. And it's not likely to happen going forward, so we need a coaching staff who can develop 3 and 4 star players, teach the game and recruit the occasional 5 star player.

Agree with Dink that Williams is not a great tactician(have always felt that way), and agree with your recruiting philosophy. There's only a handful of teams who continuously restock their roster with 4 and 5 star talent. I think its unreasonable for us to expect our next coach to be able to do that, nor do I think its necessary in order for us to achieve sustained success. The programs run by Bo Ryan, Mark Few, etc are what we should model ourselves after IMO

I still believe St. John's, with the right person at the helm, can attract 4 and 5-star kids. Can they do it on the same level, as a Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, UNC, and the likes? Nah.... But I think they are capable of doing it. Lavin showed it can be done.

There's only been one team to win an NCAA championship without a McDonald's AA (2000-2001 Maryland Terrapins), and they were not only extremely experienced, but there was a few 4 and 5-star players (ie, Byron Mouton, Lonny Baxter, Steve Blake, Chris Wilcox, Tahj Holden) on their roster.

I don't believe we're gonna ever to be consistently stockpile our team with 4 and 5-star types, but there are occasions where it can be done. Give me a mixture of those types, along with a handful of 3-star kids, and that'll suit me.

But as per your previous post, if we do that then we better have an outstanding tactician, no?