New Graphic Identity and Brand Story

The Saltine Warrior was gone in the early 70's, after coming into vogue in the 30's; Syracuse continued as the Orangemen until 2004 when for political correctness it was dropped around the time Marquette, Dartmouth, Stanford, Miami U and SJU dropped any allusion to native americans, so it was in part due to p.c.


No More Orange.....men
September 06, 2004

If you haven’t heard, the Syracuse Orangemen are now known, simply, as the Syracuse Orange. A subtle name change….but a move into the politically correct side of things. Of course, if you are young enough…you may believe that the “Orangemen” were indeed just a big orange with legs, hat and a nice smile. In the NCAA’s ongoing movement to eliminate Native American stereotypes as mascots….this goes along with the Marquette Warriors now known as the Eagles…..the Miami Redskins now known as the Redhawks….the St. John’s Redmen as the Red Storm…and the Stanford Indians now the Stanford Cardinal.
 
Breaking news, Georgetown changes name from Hoyas to "Puppies" due to an incident where a 4th grader called another student a "Hoya" and stuck his tongue out in derogatory fashion. The term was deemed offensive. Seriously though, there was a female UConn student who claimed the new Husky logo "encouraged rape". It's at the point where you can't even make this stuff up anymore.
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Joe, you paint with a very, very, very broad brush. To equate a coed's supposed charge that the Husky logo "encouraged rape," not to mention your unfunny Hoyas/Puppies comment, with centuries of U.S. government-sponsored genocide against Native Americans (which included trading small-pox-infected blankets to freezing tribes for the land granted to them from previously broken treaties) is not only absurd, it's flat-out stupid. Then again, we've already read and commented on your offensive "time for these people to get over it" rant. Please, we've begged you before: do everyone a favor and put this rest.
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Do you look in the mirror and hate yourself for your white skin? I mean seriously. Put it to rest? You should heed your own advice and get over things that happened in America in the 17 and 1800's while your family was in Europe. If not now, then when can we? I have said before, remember always but move on. I don't think that's unreasonable. You strike me as someone so easily offended that you would be on the UConn student's side regarding the husky logo story. By the way, it's amazing how you seem to focus on only 1 race's dirty laundry from the 18th and 19th centuries while pretending everyone else was a cupid-like cherub singing kumbaya. Pretty sure the entire world was a complete mess in those days, not just America. It's ok to be who you are. You have nothing to apologize for. I'll end here though because I don't want you to miss your Justice for Trayvon rally so you can prove how non-racist you are. P.S. he brought the subject back to this, not me.
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Uconn ??? They have enough problems!
DAVE COLLINS
HARTFORD -- A University of Connecticut music professor who was placed on paid leave last month is under investigation by police and school officials amid allegations of sexual misconduct with university students and decades-old molestation involving children, including several boys who attended a camp for sick children
 
The Saltine Warrior was gone in the early 70's, after coming into vogue in the 30's; Syracuse continued as the Orangemen until 2004 when for political correctness it was dropped around the time Marquette, Dartmouth, Stanford, Miami U and SJU dropped any allusion to native americans, so it was in part due to p.c.

No More Orange.....men
September 06, 2004

If you haven’t heard, the Syracuse Orangemen are now known, simply, as the Syracuse Orange. A subtle name change….but a move into the politically correct side of things. Of course, if you are young enough…you may believe that the “Orangemen” were indeed just a big orange with legs, hat and a nice smile. In the NCAA’s ongoing movement to eliminate Native American stereotypes as mascots….this goes along with the Marquette Warriors now known as the Eagles…..the Miami Redskins now known as the Redhawks….the St. John’s Redmen as the Red Storm…and the Stanford Indians now the Stanford Cardinal.
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Thanks ... and no mention that the name change had anything to do with sensitivity about the "orange-colored" skin of the Onadoga Indians.
 
This topic and acrimonious debate has been going on since the advent of this site. Allow me to suggest a method to come up with a new nickname and mascot.
Guidelines, as follows:
Do not use a nickname that refers to human beings.
Choose one that is gender neutral.
Select a nickname that lends itself to an animal mascot.
Avoid a nickname that is already being used by multiple schools, especially in the northeast.
If possible, choose an animal mascot that has, to some degree, a presence in NY metro area, and has a noble pedigree.

I think this would come up with something we might get a consensus on, and finally terminate this endless, unproductive debate. A nickname I'll suggest is Falcons. It works pretty good for Air Force, and, off hand, I don't recall any other schools using it.
 
Cowboys, Fighting Irish etc. refer to human beings.. I don't hear any cowboys or Irishmen complaining.
 
This topic and acrimonious debate has been going on since the advent of this site. Allow me to suggest a method to come up with a new nickname and mascot.
Guidelines, as follows:
Do not use a nickname that refers to human beings.
Choose one that is gender neutral.
Select a nickname that lends itself to an animal mascot.
Avoid a nickname that is already being used by multiple schools, especially in the northeast.
If possible, choose an animal mascot that has, to some degree, a presence in NY metro area, and has a noble pedigree.

I think this would come up with something we might get a consensus on, and finally terminate this endless, unproductive debate. A nickname I'll suggest is Falcons. It works pretty good for Air Force, and, off hand, I don't recall any other schools using it.
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Pigeons?
 
This topic and acrimonious debate has been going on since the advent of this site. Allow me to suggest a method to come up with a new nickname and mascot.
Guidelines, as follows:
Do not use a nickname that refers to human beings.
Choose one that is gender neutral.
Select a nickname that lends itself to an animal mascot.
Avoid a nickname that is already being used by multiple schools, especially in the northeast.
If possible, choose an animal mascot that has, to some degree, a presence in NY metro area, and has a noble pedigree.

I think this would come up with something we might get a consensus on, and finally terminate this endless, unproductive debate. A nickname I'll suggest is Falcons. It works pretty good for Air Force, and, off hand, I don't recall any other schools using it.
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Pigeons?
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Nah, make it something you could own as a NY School. St Johns Sewer Gators!
 
Cowboys, Fighting Irish etc. refer to human beings.. I don't hear any cowboys or Irishmen complaining.
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LJSA will find something offensive about a bagel if you let him stare at one long enough. It's absolutely pathetic that some people have hijacked victimhood in this country to only allow minorities to fit that description. There is not 1 shred of doubt that Native Americans were slaughtered and had a raw deal to say the least. But what people hasn't ever gone through similar circumstances at one point or another in history? The Japanese were literally evaporated by our atomic bombs in WWII, the Jews were murdered by the millions, etc. but it seems a few groups are always going to be deemed as the "victim". Political correctness is absolutely destroying this country and LJSA flies the banner of it. It makes me sick. There is a difference between saying a group had a raw deal and blaming an entire race of people who had nothing to do with it 150+ yrs ago. I'm not saying don't care about it, I'm saying we know what happened...we all went to school. Now move on and pay attention to the present. Freud said "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar". Well, sometimes a team name is just a team name or a mascot is just a mascot. Indian mascots are meant to PRAISE and RESPECT them, not to demean them (except for the Cleveland Indians logo...that I can understand may offend people). I will keep doing my tomahawk chop, and I may even get a Redskins sticker for my car just out of spite because PC is BS.
 
This topic and acrimonious debate has been going on since the advent of this site. Allow me to suggest a method to come up with a new nickname and mascot.
Guidelines, as follows:
Do not use a nickname that refers to human beings.
Choose one that is gender neutral.
Select a nickname that lends itself to an animal mascot.
Avoid a nickname that is already being used by multiple schools, especially in the northeast.
If possible, choose an animal mascot that has, to some degree, a presence in NY metro area, and has a noble pedigree.

I think this would come up with something we might get a consensus on, and finally terminate this endless, unproductive debate. A nickname I'll suggest is Falcons. It works pretty good for Air Force, and, off hand, I don't recall any other schools using it.
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Pigeons?
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Nah, make it something you could own as a NY School. St Johns Sewer Gators!
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I prefer the alliterative Red Roaches.
 
Cowboys, Fighting Irish etc. refer to human beings.. I don't hear any cowboys or Irishmen complaining.
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LJSA will find something offensive about a bagel if you let him stare at one long enough. It's absolutely pathetic that some people have hijacked victimhood in this country to only allow minorities to fit that description. There is not 1 shred of doubt that Native Americans were slaughtered and had a raw deal to say the least. But what people hasn't ever gone through similar circumstances at one point or another in history? The Japanese were literally evaporated by our atomic bombs in WWII, the Jews were murdered by the millions, etc. but it seems a few groups are always going to be deemed as the "victim". Political correctness is absolutely destroying this country and LJSA flies the banner of it. It makes me sick. There is a difference between saying a group had a raw deal and blaming an entire race of people who had nothing to do with it 150+ yrs ago. I'm not saying don't care about it, I'm saying we know what happened...we all went to school. Now move on and pay attention to the present. Freud said "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar". Well, sometimes a team name is just a team name or a mascot is just a mascot. Indian mascots are meant to PRAISE and RESPECT them, not to demean them (except for the Cleveland Indians logo...that I can understand may offend people). I will keep doing my tomahawk chop, and I may even get a Redskins sticker for my car just out of spite because PC is BS.
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My last post has nothing to do with being PC and everything to do with you not knowing when to stfu. Case in point above. Seriously, if you go into an interview and you start ranting about affirmative action and Native Americans, they will laugh at you the second you leave the office and you will not be getting a call back.
 
Cowboys, Fighting Irish etc. refer to human beings.. I don't hear any cowboys or Irishmen complaining.
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LJSA will find something offensive about a bagel if you let him stare at one long enough. It's absolutely pathetic that some people have hijacked victimhood in this country to only allow minorities to fit that description. There is not 1 shred of doubt that Native Americans were slaughtered and had a raw deal to say the least. But what people hasn't ever gone through similar circumstances at one point or another in history? The Japanese were literally evaporated by our atomic bombs in WWII, the Jews were murdered by the millions, etc. but it seems a few groups are always going to be deemed as the "victim". Political correctness is absolutely destroying this country and LJSA flies the banner of it. It makes me sick. There is a difference between saying a group had a raw deal and blaming an entire race of people who had nothing to do with it 150+ yrs ago. I'm not saying don't care about it, I'm saying we know what happened...we all went to school. Now move on and pay attention to the present. Freud said "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar". Well, sometimes a team name is just a team name or a mascot is just a mascot. Indian mascots are meant to PRAISE and RESPECT them, not to demean them (except for the Cleveland Indians logo...that I can understand may offend people). I will keep doing my tomahawk chop, and I may even get a Redskins sticker for my car just out of spite because PC is BS.
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My last post has nothing to do with being PC and everything to do with you not knowing when to stfu. Case in point above. Seriously, if you go into an interview and you start ranting about affirmative action and Native Americans, they will laugh at you the second you leave the office and you will not be getting a call back.
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This is a forum...you don't get to put people on a cue when to reply or not, and by the way YOU my friend brought it up. Obviously no one would be stupid enough to bring this stuff up during job interviews...are you serious? There are millions who also laugh at your type for having a bleeding heart for everything. Just get some tough skin, acknowledge the past and keep it in the past. Stop cursing...you are angry and it's against forum rules. St. John's will never be the Redmen ever again sadly.

Anyway, I was surprised we were featured in a Fox commercial with G'Town. Pleasantly surprised that is. This program has a golden opportunity and is primed for a great season. As long as our recruiting remains among the best in the country, we are bound to make a huge splash at some point. Very excited.
 
... Political correctness is absolutely destroying this country ... I will keep doing my tomahawk chop, and I may even get a Redskins sticker for my car ...
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I'll sleep better tonight knowing that a self-sacrificing patriot like you is doing his best to keep our nation from being destroyed.
 
Any one else see the tv commercial during the MLB all star game tonight? It has a few scenes with Lavin and some of the players. I believe it is for the new Fox Sports tv channel. Either way great exposure!
 
For the record its not any current players. Just actors wearing jerseys.

Also the jerseys are just placeholder jerseys. Not part of the big re-brand that has been talked about.
 
There are millions who also laugh at your type for having a bleeding heart for everything. Just get some tough skin, acknowledge the past and keep it in the past. Stop cursing...you are angry and it's against forum rules. St. John's will never be the Redmen ever again sadly.
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Can you please point out these bleeding heart posts I've made? And throw in some PC ones while you are at it. Thanks.
 
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