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I'll chip in today Adam. A few games to follow tonight:

Cincinnati @ UCF (Cincinnati)
Iowa @ Wisconsin (Wisconsin)
Temple @ UConn (UConn)
NJIT @ Lipscomb (conf tournament semis. Typically a one bid league but Lipscomb could steal a bid if they lose)
Indiana @ Illinois (Illinois)
 
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[quote="Adam" post=328170]BUBBLE games tonight:
Marquette @ SETON HALL - SETON HALL won
lsu @ FLORIDA - FLORIDA lost (in OT!)
Providence @ CREIGHTON - CREIGHTON won
GEORGETOWN @ DePaul - GEORGETOWN lost
OHIO ST @ Northwestern - OHIO ST lost
CLEMSON @ Notre Dame - CLEMSON won
Georgia Tech @ NC STATE - NC STATE lost
Oregon St @ WASHINGTON - WASHINGTON won

Overall, bubble teams went 4-4. Not bad, especially considering 2 of those bubble winners were fellow Big East members.

I actually think nearly all those bubble teams were favored to win, so a pretty good night.[/quote]

Ohio State, NC State and Florida losses are big for us. All 3 were listed just ahead of us in Bracket Matrix as 10 seeds.
 
Here is why I think most likely St. John's is already in, even if we lose out:

Currently we're the first #11 seed on Bracket Matrix, however that hasn't been updated today. As Room noted, 3 of the #10 seeds directly ahead of us lost last night (and to mostly mediocre competition).

As the first #11 seed, we are in the field by 8 spots (4 spots for #11 seeds, 4 spots for #12 seeds). Also factor in that we should pass 2-3 teams by the next update (due to last night's results), and we are in the field by 10 spots.

Now, let's assume we lose at Xavier. That is a Q1 game and therefore wouldn't drop us too much. Let's say we'd drop by 4 spots. We'd then be in the field by 6 spots still.

After losing first round of the BET, we'd also drop a few spots. The thing is, everyone else on the bubble is going to lose at some point during their conference tournaments too. Probably half of them will lose during the first round like us. After the conference tournaments are done, would we drop another 6+ spots? I just don't see it.

That said, a lot of things can happen. Maybe the Committee thinks our 4 game losing streak is enough to keep us out. Maybe they don't value us as highly as Bracket Matrix does. Maybe a few of our Q1 wins become Q2. Maybe a team other than Gonzaga or Buffalo win their conference tournaments. Maybe other bubble teams start winning. Etc, etc.

All that said, I still think most likely we make it even if we lose out. I just hope we can win another game and don't need to go through these insane scenarios lol.
 
[quote="Adam" post=328221]Here is why I think most likely St. John's is already in, even if we lose out:

Currently we're the first #11 seed on Bracket Matrix, however that hasn't been updated today. As Room noted, 3 of the #10 seeds directly ahead of us lost last night (and to mostly mediocre competition).

As the first #11 seed, we are in the field by 8 spots (4 spots for #11 seeds, 4 spots for #12 seeds). Also factor in that we should pass 2-3 teams by the next update (due to last night's results), and we are in the field by 10 spots.

Now, let's assume we lose at Xavier. That is a Q1 game and therefore wouldn't drop us too much. Let's say we'd drop by 4 spots. We'd then be in the field by 6 spots still.

After losing first round of the BET, we'd also drop a few spots. The thing is, everyone else on the bubble is going to lose at some point during their conference tournaments too. Probably half of them will lose during the first round like us. After the conference tournaments are done, would we drop another 6+ spots? I just don't see it.

That said, a lot of things can happen. Maybe the Committee thinks our 4 game losing streak is enough to keep us out. Maybe they don't value us as highly as Bracket Matrix does. Maybe a few of our Q1 wins become Q2. Maybe a team other than Gonzaga or Buffalo win their conference tournaments. Maybe other bubble teams start winning. Etc, etc.

All that said, I still think most likely we make it even if we lose out. I just hope we can win another game and don't need to go through these insane scenarios lol.[/quote]

I appreciate your iterative efforts in gauging our chances and seed positions Adam, really do.
I just hope we can garner up enough grit to win 1-2 games before the Dance, so that we don’t limp in and get a lousy 1st game matchup and lose 1st round.
To me, the sour taste of that would last most of the off-season, especially when compounded by possible recruiting disappointments in the Spring.
 
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[quote="Adam" post=328221]Here is why I think most likely St. John's is already in, even if we lose out:

Currently we're the first #11 seed on Bracket Matrix, however that hasn't been updated today. As Room noted, 3 of the #10 seeds directly ahead of us lost last night (and to mostly mediocre competition).

As the first #11 seed, we are in the field by 8 spots (4 spots for #11 seeds, 4 spots for #12 seeds). Also factor in that we should pass 2-3 teams by the next update (due to last night's results), and we are in the field by 10 spots.

Now, let's assume we lose at Xavier. That is a Q1 game and therefore wouldn't drop us too much. Let's say we'd drop by 4 spots. We'd then be in the field by 6 spots still.

After losing first round of the BET, we'd also drop a few spots. The thing is, everyone else on the bubble is going to lose at some point during their conference tournaments too. Probably half of them will lose during the first round like us. After the conference tournaments are done, would we drop another 6+ spots? I just don't see it.

That said, a lot of things can happen. Maybe the Committee thinks our 4 game losing streak is enough to keep us out. Maybe they don't value us as highly as Bracket Matrix does. Maybe a few of our Q1 wins become Q2. Maybe a team other than Gonzaga or Buffalo win their conference tournaments. Maybe other bubble teams start winning. Etc, etc.

All that said, I still think most likely we make it even if we lose out. I just hope we can win another game and don't need to go through these insane scenarios lol.[/quote]

Great analysis. I really feel like 1 win should do it as long as other things break our way. There's always a chance teams around us on the bubble could start winning and the bubble loses some bids to bid stealing conferences.

If we don't win any more games we'd really have to sweat it out on selection Sunday.
 
[quote="Room112" post=328189]I'll chip in today Adam. A few games to follow tonight:

Cincinnati @ UCF (Cincinnati)
Iowa @ Wisconsin (Wisconsin)
Temple @ UConn (UConn)
NJIT @ Lipscomb (conf tournament semis. Typically a one bid league but Lipscomb could steal a bid if they lose)
Indiana @ Illinois (Illinois)[/quote]

Good night for the bubble teams. Only Iowa lost, but they've lost 4 of 5 and aren't in great shape.

UCF likely punched their ticket. Everyone else took care of business.
 
What to watch for tonight:

Bowling Green @ Buffalo (BG)
Minnesota @ Maryland (Maryland. Minnesota is 2 spots ahead of us on Bracket Matrix)
Austin Peay @ Belmont (Conf semis, Belmont could potentially get an at large bid if they lose)
St Joe's @ VCU (VCU)
Jacksonville State @ Murray State (conf semis, Murray State could also get at large bid if they lose)
 
[quote="Room112" post=328338]What to watch for tonight:

Bowling Green @ Buffalo (BG)
Minnesota @ Maryland (Maryland. Minnesota is 2 spots ahead of us on Bracket Matrix)
Austin Peay @ Belmont (Conf semis, Belmont could potentially get an at large bid if they lose)
St Joe's @ VCU (VCU)
Jacksonville State @ Murray State (conf semis, Murray State could also get at large bid if they lose)[/quote]

Minnesota lost by 9. That's another team we should jump in Bracket Matrix
 
So to summarize we have had a good week by not playing. Let's win today and have all this talk be around seeding not bubble watch.
 
[quote="SJUNC" post=328447]So to summarize we have had a good week by not playing. Let's win today and have all this talk be around seeding not bubble watch.[/quote]

Yup. You can't lose if you don't play.
 
Ugh... back to it.

Belmont (NET: 45) potentially stole a bid last night by losing their conference tournament. Personally, I don't think they get an at large.

Today:
*Lipscomb (NET: 42) lost their conference tournament, but most likely aren't getting an at large.
*Wofford (NET: 14) won their conference semis. Just one more win to go to avoid another team stealing a bid.
*Ohio St (NET: 52) is getting blown out at home against Wisconsin. They are right next to us on Bracket Matrix.
*Indiana (NET: 55) won at home vs Rutgers.
*Furman (NET: 41) plays against UNCG in their conference tournament at 6:30. They could be a bid thief, so root for Furman.

Meanwhile, our NET has dropped to #66 after losing 3 straight by 9-10+ points each. Really killed our NET, but fortunately we still have 5 Q1 wins. Georgetown's NET rose to #76 and is one spot away from Q1.

On Bracket Matrix we are the first #11 seed... but I don't think that's been fully updated yet. 61/76 brackets have us in.

In the BET, root for:
*Providence vs Butler- Butler, but doesn't matter too much
*Villanova vs winner of Prov vs Butler- Nova, as they need to remain top 30 (Q1). Currently they are #26.
*Marquette vs winner of SJU vs DePaul- If DePaul wins, root for Marquette. Their NET is #29 and they could easily drop out of the top 30.
*Xavier vs Creighton- Creighton, but their NET (#54) is guaranteed to stay Q1 so doesn't matter too much.
*Seton Hall vs Georgetown- Georgetown (NET: #76). We want them to move above #75.
 
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Ohio State on a heckuva run against Wisconsin after being down by 20 around the 8 minute mark of the second half.

Buckeyes have the ball with a chance to win it. Knotted up at 63 with 29 seconds remaining in regulation.
 
[quote="Adam" post=329171]Ugh... back to it.

Belmont (NET: 45) potentially stole a bid last night by losing their conference tournament. Personally, I don't think they get an at large.

Today:
*Lipscomb (NET: 42) lost their conference tournament, but most likely aren't getting an at large.
*Wofford (NET: 14) won their conference semis. Just one more win to go to avoid another team stealing a bid.
*Ohio St (NET: 52) is getting blown out at home against Wisconsin. They are right next to us on Bracket Matrix.
*Indiana (NET: 55) won at home vs Rutgers.
*Furman (NET: 41) plays against UNCG in their conference tournament at 6:30. They could be a bid thief, so root for Furman.

Meanwhile, our NET has dropped to #66 after losing 3 straight by 9-10+ points each. Really killed our NET, but fortunately we still have 5 Q1 wins. Georgetown's NET rose to #76 and is one spot away from Q1.

On Bracket Matrix we are the first #11 seed... but I don't think that's been fully updated yet. 61/76 brackets have us in.

In the BET, root for:
*Providence vs Butler- Butler, but doesn't matter too much
*Villanova vs winner of Prov vs Butler- Nova, as they need to remain top 30 (Q1). Currently they are #26.
*Marquette vs winner of SJU vs DePaul- If DePaul wins, root for Marquette. Their NET is #29 and they could easily drop out of the top 30.
*Xavier vs Creighton- Creighton, but their NET (#54) is guaranteed to stay Q1 so doesn't matter too much.
*Seton Hall vs Georgetown- Georgetown (NET: #76). We want them to move above #75.[/quote]

Ohio State just tied Wisconsin! 30 secs to go. Wisconsin with ball.
Let’s go WI!
Oops, reversed call! Ohio State with ball. Airball. 1 second.
Looks like OT.
 
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