NET Rankings 2021-22

Well we're up to #94 today, about what I expected. Much better than seeing triple digits (#111 yesterday). Fordham moved up to Q3 and Monmouth remains Q2 (only dropped 1 spot since it was a road game for them). 
 
DePaul moved up to #50 from #72 today after their big win at Louisville. 

St. John's dropped 2 spots to #96. 
 
 
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Adam post=446437 said:
DePaul moved up to #50 from #72 today after their big win at Louisville. 

St. John's dropped 2 spots to #96. 

 
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7 BE teams in top 60. With majority of ooc games done. Really tough and really impressive.
 
Providence at #36 with 3-Q1 wins no losses , best of ANY team. Seems they should be higher since 9-1 and in 2nd highest conference!

#18 Xavier 3-1 beat Ohio St.,Ok St,V. Tech lost to Iowa St
#36 Providence 3-0 beat Wisconsin,Texas Tech,Northwestern
 
#82 Creighton is about to make a major move into Q1 (away) territory, beating #21 BYU by 12 on a neutral site.
 
Adam post=446485 said:
#82 Creighton is about to make a major move into Q1 (away) territory, beating #21 BYU by 12 on a neutral site.
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It wasn't even that close.  They dominated from start to finish.

Georgetown in position to put away Syracuse.  Orange are going to be 5-5, if they lose this one.  Ouch!
 
NET rankings today (vs yesterday):

Villanova 5 (5)
UConn 14 (14)
Xavier 15 (18)
Seton Hall 22 (23)
Providence 39 (36)
DePaul 51 (50)
Creighton 58 (82)
Marquette 76 (60)
St. John's 95 (96)
Butler 137 (123)
Georgetown 174 (205)

Huge moves for Creighton and Georgetown, as expected.

Colgate today is #164. I think if we beat them, especially if we win by the margin we're supposed to, that we'll get into the 80s.
 
I would hope that even Cragg and CMA are embarrassed by our OOC schedule in comparison to most of our Brethren.  Plus several have posted nice Wins over Ranked opponents .  We have losses .  
 
Adam post=445652 said:
The Monmouth game is now HUGE and currently Q2. Win that and at least we'd be top 100. Win both games this week and our NET I think would improve to around #80, which is FAR more manageable heading into Big East play.

Personally, I think if we win our final 3 OOC games and go 10-10 during the Big East we would make the Tournament (but just barely... definitely not comfortably in and could also miss it). Much easier said than done, but with Monmouth playing better than expected and the Big East doing pretty well we could definitely still make it if we're good enough.

First things first: beat Monmouth.
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From the OP, posted less than a week ago. Not sure if we'll reach #80 by tomorrow (before the Monmouth game our NET increased to #113, up from #108 in the OP), but think we'll be somewhere in the 80s. If we beat Pitt then I definitely think 10-10 Big East would get us in after how well the Big East has played over the past week. Great job by St. John's and the entire conference! It's been an excellent week.
 
St. John's up to #84! Huge week going from #113 to #84.

NET rankings today (vs yesterday):
Villanova 9 (5)
UConn 15 (14)
Xavier 16 (15)
Seton Hall 25 (22)
Providence 39 (39)
DePaul 52 (51)
Creighton 57 (58)
Marquette 75 (76)
St. John's 84 (95)
Butler 134 (137)
Georgetown 172 (174)

Nova didn't drop too much, fortunately. Looking like a 5 to 7 bid league, huge improvement over last year.
 
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So far , our Signature Wins are Fordham , Monmouth and Colgate .  And , our Ranking gets us into the bottom three of the BE .   We talk a lot about our less than sterling facilities but , our Scheduling is just as bad .   The 2 Mikes need to fix that . Quick . 
 
I've seen some people (mostly on Twitter) claiming Pitt will be our worst OOC opponent, but that's not true. Pitt is arguably the worst Power team, but even the worst Power team is still an average team on our OOC schedule.

#5 Kansas
#43 Indiana
#47 Monmouth
#169 Fordham
#178 Colgate
#254 Pittsburgh
#276 NJIT
#290 Saint Peter's
#314 St. Francis Brooklyn
#335 Fairleigh Dickinson
#355 Mississippi Valley St 

Half the teams we've played (5/10) are worse than #254 Pitt.

Here are Pitt's last 4 games:
Lost vs #35 Minnesota by 1
Lost at #103 Virginia by 1
Won vs #179 Colgate by 3 (with their best player in, who DNP against St. John's)
Lost vs #47 Monmouth by 4 (we beat by 5)

Again, we should definitely beat them (probably by a dozen), but it might not be as easy as some are expecting. They were only 2 points away from having better resume Ws than we have (at home vs #35 and on the road vs #103).

Hopefully the team takes them seriously and doesn't look past their record. Since it's at MSG I'd think they'll be pumped up regardless, but don't be too surprised if it isn't a blowout. Pitt is no Mississippi Valley St.

If we win we may get into the high 70s, but it depends on how well we play. More than anything we just need to win regardless of margin, because if we lose then our NET would go back into the 100s and we'd have a bad loss. As of today this will be our second to last Q4 game, the other being home vs Georgetown.
 
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Looks like there are 2 possibilities for Monday's game @ #24 NET Seton Hall. 

1. They are short-handed and we'd have a better chance for an upset... a game where we would normally be double digit underdogs.
2. It's cancelled and it's like the game was never on our schedule.

Regarding #2, this wouldn't benefit us. Technically we'd get the win but it wouldn't help our NET or resume. All it'd do is give us an extra win in the Big East standings.

That said, we were very unlikely to win this game regardless. Yes, it's a Q1 game, but it's also a very tough Q1 road game. Most of the Big East is top 75 so most of our road games would be Q1 and also easier than this one.

Assuming the game is cancelled then it's yet another reason why we can't schedule poorly OOC going forward. It's no guarantee that the Big East will be as strong as it is this year, and even when it is we still have cancellations (just as we did last year). IF any game needed to be cancelled then this is one of the better ones I'd say (very low % chance to win), but let's just hope there aren't other cancellations going forward because we need as many Big East games as possible.
 
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Adam post=446906 said:
Looks like there are 2 possibilities for Monday's game @ #24 NET Seton Hall. 

1. They are short-handed and we'd have a better chance for an upset... a game where we would normally be double digit underdogs.
2. It's cancelled and it's like the game was never on our schedule.

Regarding #2, this wouldn't benefit us. Technically we'd get the win but it wouldn't help our NET or resume. All it'd do is give us an extra win in the Big East standings.

That said, we were very unlikely to win this game regardless. Yes, it's a Q1 game, but it's also a very tough Q1 road game. Most of the Big East is top 75 so most of our road games would be Q1 and also easier than this one.

Assuming the game is cancelled then it's yet another reason why we can't schedule poorly OOC going forward. It's no guarantee that the Big East will be as strong as it is this year, and even when it is we still have cancellations (just as we did last year). IF any game needed to be cancelled then this is one of the better ones I'd say (very low % chance to win), but let's just hope there aren't other cancellations going forward because we need as many Big East games as possible.
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Disagree with this.  Losing any Q1 opportuntity is not good, especially if you have a weak non conference schedule.  Best case scenario, you get a quality road Q1 win that gives you a huge jump in the NET and instantly puts you into the tournament conversation, worst case scenario you have a blowout loss on the road and have a small drop in NET.  If any upcoming game needed to be cancelled it would be this upcoming Pitt game.  Does very little to help your NET (if any) if you win and if you lose it knocks you down significantly in NET and gives you a Q4 loss on you record.

Hoping Seton Hall has enough to play, would be a great opportunity for a quality win that is greatly needed right now.
 
I didn't say it was a good thing, just that the majority of our Big East games will be Quad 1 (even if we don't play @ Hall) and most of those games will be far easier Quad 1 games than this one. We are already 0-2 for Quad 1 (# of losses matters too) and this is potentially the toughest game remaining on our schedule. I still would rather this game be played, but if it isn't then it's one of the better ones to avoid. And yes, I'd prefer the Pitt or Georgetown games to be cancelled over this one, but all I'm saying is it isn't that important for our schedule given we will be a double digit underdog (while for most other Q1 games we'll only be a slight underdog). Also, if we play and lose then we are once again off to a losing Big East start. Perhaps starting with Butler at home would prevent us from going into our annual BE skid.

It sounds like Seton Hall has enough players to play but simply doesn't want to. That's fine for Iona (I'd agree with them), but the Big East needs to force them to play their conference games as long as they have 7 players. Then we can start looking at scenario 1 which is much more interesting than scenario 2.
 
Agree MP % really low. Although If  Coburn lived up to his billing and Soriano was a scoring athletic big maybe  a win would have been more probable .but now we would be out played and out coached.Looking at how we have played we really should be 7-10 ,no way even close to the top 5. But games must be played and anything can happen
 
 
114 today. Not worried though, a few more opposing team forfeits and we'll be back in the top 100 in no time. On a positive note, we're still ranked in the top third of the teams in D1. 
 
DePaul was a must win and we won. That's all that matters.

We were #108 in the OP before our recent 4 game stretch (Vs Monmouth, Colgate, Pitt & DePaul). All 4 were decent opponents but also must wins and we won 3... so we're in basically the same place now as we were a few weeks ago with a #104 NET. Technically that's progress as we've gained 4 spots, but overall a bit disappointing.

In the OP I said we'd likely need to go 10-10 in the Big East if we won our final 3 OOC games. Things are more complicated now with forfeits and all that, plus obviously the Pitt loss hurt... so I'm thinking 11 Big East wins gets us in (or 10 if a few games aren't played). Since we beat DePaul we're now looking at 10, that makes things a bit easier.

To be honest I don't think this team makes the Tournament. We'll have ample opportunity to, but I'm not convinced this team can win 10 more games. That said, IF we win tomorrow then that would change things dramatically. We'd finally get a Q1 win (guaranteed to remain Q1) and our NET would skyrocket into the 80's I'd say.

With Reeves likely being out, that at least somewhat offsets Champ being out for Pitt. Also, I'm not saying the team was lucky to get COVID after the Pitt game, but had we played a few more games without Champ we likely would've lost most of them. All teams are dealing with COVID, injuries, etc. and as frustrating as that Pitt game was we're fortunate that Champ only missed one game.

After these miserable last few weeks, I'm just glad the team will get a shot at (nearly) full-strength. I'm also glad we're finally playing a game that isn't a "must win". Most of the rest of the Big East games should be like that, unless of course we go into a multi-game skid. Win one of these next 2 (also @ UConn) and things would start looking up.
 
Adam post=449478 said:
DePaul was a must win and we won. That's all that matters.

We were #108 in the OP before our recent 4 game stretch (Vs Monmouth, Colgate, Pitt & DePaul). All 4 were decent opponents but also must wins and we won 3... so we're in basically the same place now as we were a few weeks ago with a #104 NET. Technically that's progress as we've gained 4 spots, but overall a bit disappointing.

In the OP I said we'd likely need to go 10-10 in the Big East if we won our final 3 OOC games. Things are more complicated now with forfeits and all that, plus obviously the Pitt loss hurt... so I'm thinking 11 Big East wins gets us in (or 10 if a few games aren't played). Since we beat DePaul we're now looking at 10, that makes things a bit easier.

To be honest I don't think this team makes the Tournament. We'll have ample opportunity to, but I'm not convinced this team can win 10 more games. That said, IF we win tomorrow then that would change things dramatically. We'd finally get a Q1 win (guaranteed to remain Q1) and our NET would skyrocket into the 80's I'd say.

With Reeves likely being out, that at least somewhat offsets Champ being out for Pitt. Also, I'm not saying the team was lucky to get COVID after the Pitt game, but had we played a few more games without Champ we likely would've lost most of them. All teams are dealing with COVID, injuries, etc. and as frustrating as that Pitt game was we're fortunate that Champ only missed one game.

After these miserable last few weeks, I'm just glad the team will get a shot at (nearly) full-strength. I'm also glad we're finally playing a game that isn't a "must win". Most of the rest of the Big East games should be like that, unless of course we go into a multi-game skid. Win one of these next 2 (also @ UConn) and things would start looking up.
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Since this post we have gone 0-2 but improved 5 spots to #99. If we had won one of the two, which frankly we should've, then our NET would be much better. Hopefully staff is taking notes for next year's OOC.

If we beat #200 Georgetown today then our NET will probably remain about the same, though we'll have much better opportunities after today. If we lose today then time to shut this topic down. :)
 
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