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Moose
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Thanks Room. Appreciate that.
After Gtown I was pissed. But I've also been vocal most of the year in terms of the honeymoon being off and the training wheels being off. I want results now. The excuses wear thin to me when I see the talent on the floor with all the accolades.
Last night's win was nice. Many positives. Still negatives that need to be worked on but we won a game with all the complimentary pieces playing well and our best player having a very quiet but controlled night. One game at a time but we have a nice stretch in front of us here. We're 1 game behind where we should be in the BE, but 3 games behind where we should be overall IMO.
I think the quote in bold was definitely over-the-top, as I believe DePaul certainly has a shot at beating the Johnnies. Even moreso, considering it's at DePaul. It's not going to be easy (nothing seems to come easy for this bunch), but it's one we should win. Will we? We'll see this weekend.
It seems you tend to side with the pessimistic view. Your prerogative. Everybody is wired a certain way. As, I stated a couple of weeks ago.... I'd prefer to hear from the optimists versus hearing the pessimists.
Pessimist?
He said DePaul doesn't have a prayer against us. I asked him why. What has this team shown for him to say that?
Comments like his are why people get so disappointed after a loss because they think we can just walk into any gym across America and take teams out.
Has he even watched DePaul play this year?
Many of your posts suggest you're a pessimist. That is why I stated you tend to come off like one.
Do you get disappointed after losses because of a few, overzealous fans hyping us up to win a game? I think folks who get disappointed after losses are due to their own beliefs and expectations of the team. I have my doubts it's due to other folks hyping up the Johnnies.
As, for the poster who stated DePaul doesn't have a prayer.... I believe I have a good idea about him. He's generally been over-the-top concerning the Johnnies. Some things he's said have been headscratchers. I can't say I've agreed with all of his over-the-top optimism. This is based on who I think is 'Mr. Jones.' Nevertheless, he's an optimist.
I'm not a pessimist because I don't believe DePaul doesn't have a prayer against us.
I go into games hoping we have some sort of identity on offense and play strong attacking defense.
But I never go into any game thinking they don't stand a chance against us. I've watched enough of this team to know that we're madly inconsistent to think DePaul is just some cupcake team and an easy W.
beast of the east
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Nice W, we needed that. We looked like we had more energy out there. Liked the fact that Lavin substituted more, we werent exausted at the end of the game and could make the difference between a W or L. Our FTs were much better and was happy to see Dee pass the ball and do more things when his offensive game was off. 3 pt shooting is not our stength,thaught we should take less 3s. Around the 6 min mark I thaught we started taking too much time off the cloick and had to take bad shots as time was expiring ,even had a shot clock violation at the end of the game,that could have cost us. But overall we were much better not letting the clock run down. Interesting move playing CO less, he is raw offensively.We looked much better overall. Dom has been playing better lately but has to watch his fouls. Depaul at Chicago is a winnible giame, but far from a gimme.
In regards to pessimist/optimist...why don't we all try and be realists. I am a huge fan of this team, the players we have, and the direction we are headed. Will we have more nail-biters this season, i sure think so. And will we have another game like G-Town, I think that's a possibility also. After two wins in the BE, some people keep using the term, "turn the corner," if that is the case, we are going to be going in circles all season lol. Let's hold off on that term until we string together some wins...maybe 4 out of 5? Fair?
We will continue to see mistakes but we will also see thrilling wins like last night. The parity in college basketball has been unprecedented the past few years...No team should be over-looked.
Nothing like being at the Garden during an SJU win. Best game I've been to since Hardy tip-toed the baseline vs Pitt.
We will continue to see mistakes but we will also see thrilling wins like last night. The parity in college basketball has been unprecedented the past few years...No team should be over-looked.
Nothing like being at the Garden during an SJU win. Best game I've been to since Hardy tip-toed the baseline vs Pitt.
Nothing was said on broadcast. Usually they get game notes from SID but maybe STJ withheld that.
It was mentioned and assumed he didn't play much to lure Cooley out of the paint and into foul trouble. I'd take credit for that if I was Lavin
It's funny because as I was watching Cooley sit at the end I figured HE had the flu. Couldn't figure out how else to explain it.
westchesterjoe
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DePaul will be the home team. Always a edge in the BE or anywhere. They also have a very good frontcourt player in Cleveland Melvin who can hurt us inside. He is a bordeline NBA prospect, maybe more than that.
I liked that Lavin limited CO'S minutes as he is a offensive liability until he can handle and shoot free throws and 8-10 foot jumpers. Also too, he is a great shot blocker but, not yet defensively adequate . He will learn to box out his man and be able to rebound eventually.
I liked the man to man better than the D that Lavin seems to like, the match up zone. The players seemed more into playing better D THAN PREVIOUSLY.
Lavin's prevent offense is still a problem until it's corrected. Perhaps he will realize it doesn't fit this team well. In games we've lost,except G'town, it contributed to our losing some late game leads.
It also seemed to me that, FINALLY, Lavin had read the scouting reports on ND and why he went man to man. It showed me he can be flexible in his coaching and not always locked into just 1 defensive scheme. It caught ND off guard and disrupted their usual play.
In a word, Lavin outcoached Brey in this game and Brey didn't adjust. Not playing Cooley at crunch time was bizarre but helped us to victory. What was he thinking? I've not seen any explanation why Cooley wasn't in there.
I liked that Lavin limited CO'S minutes as he is a offensive liability until he can handle and shoot free throws and 8-10 foot jumpers. Also too, he is a great shot blocker but, not yet defensively adequate . He will learn to box out his man and be able to rebound eventually.
I liked the man to man better than the D that Lavin seems to like, the match up zone. The players seemed more into playing better D THAN PREVIOUSLY.
Lavin's prevent offense is still a problem until it's corrected. Perhaps he will realize it doesn't fit this team well. In games we've lost,except G'town, it contributed to our losing some late game leads.
It also seemed to me that, FINALLY, Lavin had read the scouting reports on ND and why he went man to man. It showed me he can be flexible in his coaching and not always locked into just 1 defensive scheme. It caught ND off guard and disrupted their usual play.
In a word, Lavin outcoached Brey in this game and Brey didn't adjust. Not playing Cooley at crunch time was bizarre but helped us to victory. What was he thinking? I've not seen any explanation why Cooley wasn't in there.
Obekpa needs to learn that when he helps on a screen, it is his responsibility to rotate back to his man. Not stay up at the perimeter guarding the ball handler.
We've seen this since the exhibition games.
To me it's a glaring issue. I wonder if anyone on the staff is helping him in that area because he just doesn't seem to get it.
beast of the east
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On that subject, our guys are apparently taught not to fight through screens, and the switching creates all sorts of mismatches and lapses in coverage. The defender of the guy setting the screen is supposed to call them out and help the guy through it, even if he has to yank him through.
brooklyndon1
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if you think depaul has no shot at beating st johns your living in la la land. but i hope your right and we will pull out the win as i love to see the jhonnies win . but dont forget right now we are young team and depaul does have some talent.
Well said Brian3 - and within my realisim is a certain joy over the recruits, staff and direction - as often has been written in these posts - what a refreshing change from the Jarvis/Roberts days.
I did not believe we would win this ND game - we are learning - too bad we can't take the Villa and Rutgers games back etc.
all the best